Agreed! How did the project managers sign off on shipping the product with that sound configuration? Totally tasteless and tacky. Imagine an office full of OS/2 desktops all making that noise.
OS/2 was capable of long file names. But you can't have spaces. You need to have saved it as IBM-Works-Test-Document. The error was due to having spaces in the name.
Long file names has been a feature of OS/2 on any drives formatted with the HPFS (or later JFS) file system. If you formatted your hard drive with FAT then you're limited to 8.3. The one other limitation is that if you're running Windows 3.1 applications, they are limited to 8.3 file names, because that's all that Windows 3.1 could handle. There is even an application that was written for OS/2 which will convert Windows 95 long file names (for people who were running Win95 and OS/2 in a dual boot configuration) to OS/2 Extended Attributes so that you would see the Win95 long file names in OS/2.
FAT also supported long file names, but they were stored in the extended attributes, which was a separate file on FAT. However, the file name on the disk was 8.3.
People that used OS/2 must have gotten a lot of headaches from all the unnecessary sounds that thing makes. Also, that Pinball game looks more fun and is a lot more playable than the free pinball game that came with Windows Me.
I use to work in the IT department at 3COM Corporation back in the 90s. There was this one guy who was a die-hard OS/2 user. Refused to use Windows and UNIX.
Warp 4's sounds are way over the top compared to Warp 3. Also, I'm pretty sure OS/2 is capable of handling long filenames, but that might require OS/2's native HPFS filesystem, which comes with some compromises like not being able to run Windows 3.1 on OS/2 on an HPFS partition. I don't remember how it all works, as it's been years since I tried out Warp 3. Recalling a keynote I saw of OS/2 2.0, it does have some pretty impressive capabilities, including the ability to allow the use of more than 640KB of conventional memory in a DOS window.
OS/2 supported long file names on FAT16 partitions by using something called extended attributes. It is NOT compatible with the VFAT method that Microsoft officially used. You also had to be careful using non-OS/2 disk tools on FAT16 drives with extended attributes as they managed to trash them pretty thoroughly.
@@askhowiknow5527 depends on who you talk to... for me... having sounds to represent different activities in the OS makes my experience easier since I have almost no vision.
@@arpeas_jds As a visually impaired user, they are helpful on certain actions so that I can get a good idea of what's happening; receiving a message, applications closing properly (sometimes alt+F4 won't close the application at all), and so on.
Those minimize and maximize window sounds get annoying after a bit. I wonder if kids back in the day were accused of wasting time playing games when they were just using the computer normally.
Heh yeah, also I wonder if kids even ever had these workstations to be using at all, I certainly never saw an OS/2 system in libraries/schools/other places kids would use computers when I was a kid in the 90s.
Back in the late 90s, I was OS/2 Product Specialist at IBM Canada. In that position I did 3rd level support and was also on the team that developed standard desktop systems for IBM employees. In addition to OS/2, I also supported various apps on OS/2, Windows 95 and NT. That Comet Cursor added a tail to the cursor, when you moved the mouse, and was useful on laptop computers and made the cursor more visible on the crappy displays laptop computers had back then.
Win-OS/2 does support Win32s despite Microsoft's attempts to break it. There are instructions online for how to install it. There are also better sound drivers as well, Creative actually shipped OS/2 drivers for the SoundBlaster 16 and AWE series that supported Win-OS/2 as well.
Most new computers use a new way of turning on called UEFI that is replacing the older BIOS. OS/2 needs BIOS. Fortunately a lot of computers still have a compatibility or BIOS mode that would allow it to run at least somewhat. But if you actually want to mess around with it and not just get it working on new hardware for kicks, it will run a lot better in VirtualBox.
Nice video. OS/2 had long file names years before Windows 95, but you have to format the disk using the HPFS filesystem. Win-OS/2 is not really emulated. It runs actual Windows 3.11 in a Virtual DOS Machine, which uses the virtual 8086 mode of the 80386 processor. The default sound effects in OS/2 are annoying, but they can be changed or even better turned off in OS/2's System Settings in the Sounds panel.
You can also have long file names on FAT. However, the long file name was stored in the Extended Attributes and the actual file on the disk had an 8.3 file name.
I installed it on a Pentium 3 class generic laptop from 2001. Couldn’t get video and sound support as the Maestro 2e and ATI Mobility 128 might’ve been too new for it.
eComStation and MCP2 (Warp 4.52) came with SciTech Display Doctor which should have Rage128 drivers. The ESS PCI chips appear to be supported by the OS/2 port of ALSA2.
I don't know what IBM did wrong, but the fact they couldn't keep this going when many of us had to reinstall Win 95 almost weekly due to BSODS says a lot.
Back in the late 90s, when I was at IBM, I added a WAV file to the shutdown. It was in the Star Trek computer voice and went, IIRC, "Shut down sequence initiated. Defensive systems are offline". 🙂
Imagine using OS/2 in an office environment and it makes that loud sound every time you click on something... That's probably a reason why OS/2 failed. LOL It annoyed the users. But, I still think OS/2 is awesome.
I CAN’T get over that extremely loud sound for opening and closing a window. What were they thinking
It can be changed or turned off. Also, there is such a thing as a volume control.
OK but it was tasteless to make it like that anyway @@James_Knott
Agreed! How did the project managers sign off on shipping the product with that sound configuration? Totally tasteless and tacky. Imagine an office full of OS/2 desktops all making that noise.
@@HenryBloggitit was because back then you didn't have a ton of computers. So not was like an advertisement.
lol at "You have not full screen support". Reminds me of the infamous "All your base are belong to us".
classic :D
OS/2 was capable of long file names. But you can't have spaces. You need to have saved it as IBM-Works-Test-Document. The error was due to having spaces in the name.
Long file names has been a feature of OS/2 on any drives formatted with the HPFS (or later JFS) file system. If you formatted your hard drive with FAT then you're limited to 8.3. The one other limitation is that if you're running Windows 3.1 applications, they are limited to 8.3 file names, because that's all that Windows 3.1 could handle. There is even an application that was written for OS/2 which will convert Windows 95 long file names (for people who were running Win95 and OS/2 in a dual boot configuration) to OS/2 Extended Attributes so that you would see the Win95 long file names in OS/2.
FAT also supported long file names, but they were stored in the extended attributes, which was a separate file on FAT. However, the file name on the disk was 8.3.
1:24 The first time I heard the OS/2 Warp Startup Sound in my life was the old Small Fry Productions Intro.
I guess I'll also have to try IBM OS/2 for the first time in VirtualBox.
Try ArcaOS if you want to run OS/2 on a modern device or virtual machine. It's really good.
@@Atomic_Haggis Well, that could work as well...
People that used OS/2 must have gotten a lot of headaches from all the unnecessary sounds that thing makes. Also, that Pinball game looks more fun and is a lot more playable than the free pinball game that came with Windows Me.
It was common to turn that off pretty fast. The Plus pack themes for Windows 95 added similar annoying sounds.
I use to work in the IT department at 3COM Corporation back in the 90s. There was this one guy who was a die-hard OS/2 user. Refused to use Windows and UNIX.
Your choice of FAT affected the filenames. HPFS filesystem would have allowed it.
My step dad was a software engineer in Silicon Valley back in the day and I totally remember this and the other funky computer stuff he had
Warp 4's sounds are way over the top compared to Warp 3. Also, I'm pretty sure OS/2 is capable of handling long filenames, but that might require OS/2's native HPFS filesystem, which comes with some compromises like not being able to run Windows 3.1 on OS/2 on an HPFS partition. I don't remember how it all works, as it's been years since I tried out Warp 3. Recalling a keynote I saw of OS/2 2.0, it does have some pretty impressive capabilities, including the ability to allow the use of more than 640KB of conventional memory in a DOS window.
OS/2 supported long file names on FAT16 partitions by using something called extended attributes. It is NOT compatible with the VFAT method that Microsoft officially used. You also had to be careful using non-OS/2 disk tools on FAT16 drives with extended attributes as they managed to trash them pretty thoroughly.
You are able to run Win-OS/2 on HPFS formatted drives. Your applications will obviously not take advantage of the features of HPFS
You know, would be nice if modern operating systems still had cool sound schemes.
Not to mention headache inducing
@@askhowiknow5527 I guess it depends on who you are talking to... Since I literally have nearly no sight, I listen to the sounds around me.
@@askhowiknow5527 depends on who you talk to... for me... having sounds to represent different activities in the OS makes my experience easier since I have almost no vision.
@@arpeas_jds As a visually impaired user, they are helpful on certain actions so that I can get a good idea of what's happening; receiving a message, applications closing properly (sometimes alt+F4 won't close the application at all), and so on.
This one is way too obnoxious but I think Mac OS 8/9 have nice subtle sound effects that I could go for
Those minimize and maximize window sounds get annoying after a bit. I wonder if kids back in the day were accused of wasting time playing games when they were just using the computer normally.
Heh yeah, also I wonder if kids even ever had these workstations to be using at all, I certainly never saw an OS/2 system in libraries/schools/other places kids would use computers when I was a kid in the 90s.
When you have sounds for every time you open and close a window, that is possible.
The additional purchase Plus pack for Windows 95 added similar sounds to everything. You could turn them off in OS/2 though.
Back in the late 90s, I was OS/2 Product Specialist at IBM Canada. In that position I did 3rd level support and was also on the team that developed standard desktop systems for IBM employees. In addition to OS/2, I also supported various apps on OS/2, Windows 95 and NT. That Comet Cursor added a tail to the cursor, when you moved the mouse, and was useful on laptop computers and made the cursor more visible on the crappy displays laptop computers had back then.
Forgot to mention, I currently have Warp 4 installed in a VirtualBox VM on Linux on my ThinkPad.
Great experience video man!
Win-OS/2 does support Win32s despite Microsoft's attempts to break it. There are instructions online for how to install it. There are also better sound drivers as well, Creative actually shipped OS/2 drivers for the SoundBlaster 16 and AWE series that supported Win-OS/2 as well.
Would this work on a modern computer?
adews Probably not. If it did you wouldn’t have really any drivers for things like the sound card and video card.
Computer Nostalgia yeah I know about drivers, but would it work at all?
Most new computers use a new way of turning on called UEFI that is replacing the older BIOS. OS/2 needs BIOS. Fortunately a lot of computers still have a compatibility or BIOS mode that would allow it to run at least somewhat.
But if you actually want to mess around with it and not just get it working on new hardware for kicks, it will run a lot better in VirtualBox.
@@patcheshoulihan2822 Try with an emulator like PCEm
I have it running in a VirtualBox VM on openSUSE Linux, on my ThinkPad.
There is a version of OS/2 Warp 4 that had three floppies and the rest was installed from the CD. It beats inserting over 40 floppies.
God forbid disk 39 is faulty
Long filenames are supported, but not with spaces. Your long filename had spaces in it.
Why did they think it made sense to disallow spaces?
Nice video. OS/2 had long file names years before Windows 95, but you have to format the disk using the HPFS filesystem. Win-OS/2 is not really emulated. It runs actual Windows 3.11 in a Virtual DOS Machine, which uses the virtual 8086 mode of the 80386 processor. The default sound effects in OS/2 are annoying, but they can be changed or even better turned off in OS/2's System Settings in the Sounds panel.
You can also have long file names on FAT. However, the long file name was stored in the Extended Attributes and the actual file on the disk had an 8.3 file name.
i never knew OS\2 had a startup sound
IBM Warp feedback beta user in 1993. Right up till Win7, Warp was FAR superior.
Warp was up there with Solaris OS.
Really? How so?
You use the document templates by selecting one then dragging out a new document, that you can place in any folder, including the Desktop
I installed it on a Pentium 3 class generic laptop from 2001. Couldn’t get video and sound support as the Maestro 2e and ATI Mobility 128 might’ve been too new for it.
eComStation and MCP2 (Warp 4.52) came with SciTech Display Doctor which should have Rage128 drivers. The ESS PCI chips appear to be supported by the OS/2 port of ALSA2.
I don't know what IBM did wrong, but the fact they couldn't keep this going when many of us had to reinstall Win 95 almost weekly due to BSODS says a lot.
I'm surprised you didn't try 3D Ultra Pinball in the Windows 3.1 session of OS/2.
Anyway nice video
Why couldn’t you show me the Shutdown Sequence?
Back in the late 90s, when I was at IBM, I added a WAV file to the shutdown. It was in the Star Trek computer voice and went, IIRC, "Shut down sequence initiated. Defensive systems are offline". 🙂
this is a pretty cool looking tbh.
Cannot help myself but it reminds me of the latter Win95 a lot…
1:24: Startup sound
Why are all mid-late 90s OS sounds so obnoxious? Lol.
Download link???
Bonus points for recording this with potato camera.
I wish i had all this stuff
I think Bach was on Windows 95.
In OS/2 desktop go to programms -> Multimedia -> Movies :O!! TILE VIEW!!
Imagine using OS/2 in an office environment and it makes that loud sound every time you click on something... That's probably a reason why OS/2 failed. LOL It annoyed the users. But, I still think OS/2 is awesome.
I don;t know if you noticed, but when you minimize a window/program in OS/2 Warp, the icon is highlighted in a square box on the desktop
DON'T CARE MUCH FOR THE SOUNDS
You can turn them off.
BUT I DON'T EVEN LIKE A SCREEN FULL OF ICONS
That sound. Dead
Windows 95 is a mere copy of OS / 2 Warp
Nowhere near it! OS/2 ran circles around any version of Windows in it's day.
Ich hatte 1995? Os2 Warp und es war nicht schlecht, aber absolut untauglich für den Mainstreammarkt.
I like the video
I see Fluttershy, I like the comment.
OS/2 failed because of its annoying sound effects.