Six Nations Play Off?! Georgia Call Out Wales | Rugby Pod with Richard Cockerill
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
- After Georgia secured their 7th Rugby Europe Championship in a row and with Wales failing to win a single game this Six Nations, nagging questions arise again around promotion and relegation to the competition.
Georgia Head Coach Richard Cockerill joins Big Jim and Goodey to discuss that Wales call out and whether their should be a playoff game... WINNER TAKES ALL?! - Спорт
Let's do a 7 Nations ! Rugby to expand and include Georgia. And Georgian club Black Lion in URC !
Better than the play off, also a Georgian team in URC sounds interesting, still Tbilisi is not appealing 😂
8 nations, add Portugal too.
Not appealing? Com and see my friend, before sharing hypotheses..
I would love to see a Georgian club in the URC. It would add a new spice to the tournament. A new underdog to route for. Wouldn't mind the Welsh being compressed into two teams as well though. If Portugal had a strong club I wouldn't mind that, but I think most of their good players are in French clubs, so not likely.
Just what we need - more intercontinental travel in the URC!
Georgia and Portugal are in Europe. Travel within Europe isn't intercontinental
The Gatland Wales era of Wales domination has hurt the Irish and English more than I realised.
Tbilisi is a great city and I totally agree with Richard . . . Georgian wine is Awesome"
Jeez it's hilarious how the knives are out against wales. They will bounce back mark my words, lets not forget how Gatts can work his coaching skills, bloody hell those welsh kids were close to beating Scotland and england so no panic.
The knives aren’t out for Wales just like they weren’t out for Italy. The fact is the six nations shouldn’t be a closed shop, it’s anti competition which isn’t right. Imagine how many eyeballs a wales vs Georgia playoff game would get for a spot in the 6N the next year! Sport is about entertainment first and foremost and blocking emerging nations from any sort of entry into the 6N is dumb. People need to leave their pride at the door and be willing to risk more
Yep.... this!!! Remember Scotland only do well when wales have an off season or 2 😂
Relegation won't happen. Can you imagine if France or England finished bottom one year. The TV rights would just pull out. I'd like to see Georgia and Portugal involved more but them calling Wales out. Behave will you . Wales literally put 40 odd points on you a few months back in the RWC. With a average performance as well. This conversation wouldn't be happening if England,France was bottom. Talk of it with Italy back 18 months ago.Invite them over in the summer. Absolutely tank them and then say that's why your not in it. No behave like good boys and stay in your lane.
I'm a huge Welsh rugby fan personally I'd love see Georgia play more rugby against tier 1 sides why can't they have a summer tour of the UK and play all the home nations I think that's a lot more realistic than having one of the founding members of the 6 nations being relegated especially one that's won the competition numerous times when there are teams in the comp that has never won
Rugby supporting Englishman in Tbilisi here....
Rugby is huge here and Georgia & Black Lion would be an asset to European Rugby if allowed to join the major competitions. Even if they can't join the major competitions then perhaps an annual game between the bottom team in the 6Nations would be great.
Tbilisi as a rugby destination is awesome, the Georgians are welcoming, the amount of bars is staggering and the choice of restaurants is unbelievable plus it is still very affordable here.
I've been to every Georgian & Black Lion home match over the autumn & winter and they're well organised, the fans are very passionate and the stadiums are great. Oh, and I'm sure I saw Richard Cockerill enjoying the rather generous amounts of complimentary food & drink at the Mikhail Meskhi Stadium at a Black Lion game not so long ago ha ha...
I'm not interested in chnging the 6Ns. The competition has been a success all these years and there is no need to change it now. However a solution can be found to help T2 nations get more game time with T1 nations, depending on how much goodwill is on offer by all stakeholders. There are many options being discussed on various forums other than the promotion/relegation option or the expansion to 7/8 teams option. Some of these options are:
1) The creation of a Euro competition consisting of the 6Ns teams with six REC teams in three groups of four, played every four years between RWCs.
2) More exposure during the summer and autumn tests, where each of the 6Ns teams play at least one test against one of the eight REC teams.
3) 6Ns teams place an A team into the REC. (However, with money being tight this option might not be practical and especially not if Rugby Europe position the 6Ns teams in to the bottom league whereby they would have to work their way up. Also, politics as it is would mean that Rugby Europe would need to trade off more voting rights to England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales so that it has equal voting power within Rugby Europe)
4) The teams of England, Scotland, and Wales merge to form a Great Britain team, just as they do for Rugby Sevens and which would create two spaces for Georgia and either South Africa or another REC team to enter the 6Ns. This option is a favourite on many Rugby Europe Nations and South African forums, however, this would destroy the Six Nations Championship and I do not think it will find support from any Six Nations supporter, including me.
5) A British and Irish A team to tour Europe and play five of the REC teams and three tests against a combined REC select team.
If the tour goes well for the REC teams they may advance to games against T1 nations.
Advantages for 6Ns teams to take up one of these options is that it will help them to develop depth in their squads by granting international game time for future players, while for REC teams, they are getting some game time against players that may soon be part of the main teams.
As a Wales fan I cautioned against calls for relegation and promotion a few years ago when people were presuming it would be Italy to go down, knowing that Wales had been at the bottom once and could be again. That said, I think this call by Georgia is quite disrespectful to the most successful 6 Nations team over the last 20 years. Talking about the World Cup, Wales put over 40 on Australia and should have made the semis but for a decimated squad. No reason not to play Georgia though, it would be good for their game and good for the wider game.
I actually agree with cockers. I think that would be a great idea for the bottom team each year in the six Nations having to play a game against whoever is ranked top in Europe. What that will do is it will either prove that the six nation teams are far too good, or it will prove that the top Europe teams Are of a standard that could possibly compete?
So you own the other half of the brain cell aye.
#me too
@@bandybushido thats one more than you then?
I'd prefer to see the winners and runners up play a game against each other and possibly the bottom teams to help get the European rugby championship more exposure seeing the highlights from matches during six nations programmes would also be a good thing , there's this whole other rugby competition taking place at the same time as the 6 nations in Europe but we never hear anything about it personally as a rugby fan I find this unacceptable. 🤔
Yeah how coincidental that after Wales getting wooden spoon for first time in 22years suddenly the call for a play off is being ramped up .. goody Hamilton and all other back stabbing cnnnts are nothing shithouses
Just remember Was practically the welsh squad that gave you lot your first taste of a lions series win in 2013. Only one in 27 years.
Didn't wales score 40 odd points against Georgia in the wc 6 months ago? Georgia trying to take advantage of the wales rebuild. No doubt that Georgia should have a opportunity to play top sides, but they should be aiming to be competitive against the best in Northern hemisphere rugby not a rebuilding wales.
Didnt wales lose to Georgia in Nov 22, in Cardiff ? Were they rebuilding then too….a year out from the World Cup 🤔
Thats why they want the play off game 🙄
Being in the 6 nations would give them a chance to play against the best the North have to offer 🙈
@@IverKnackerov No, it was just that neither the players nor the coach had even the faintest idea what the gameplan was supposed to be at that time, and that's being kind. Poor old Wayne Pivac.
forget about world cup, where Georgia barely survived against Portugal, Least half of that Wales Points Coming from Zammits Individualism and high class against Georgia. The Game Plan of Wales was as miserable as year before, otherwise you could easily reach 1/2 finals, you had to. least Half of that Georgian Scrum players now changed, Plus no more domestic head coach, really Hope we can defeat Fiji and Japan on July international. @@davidhughes8795
If you were a part of the Georgian rugby set up you would be doing what you can to try and get your team a shot at playing in the competition. Same for Portugal. Let them do a play off but from next year when it's been announced in advance!
Great place to visit. was there with the Czech national rugby team in Feb 2003. Great people, great wine only thing was at 7pm all the street lighting was turned off. we played at the old Dynamo Tblisi stadium. it was like a mini Coloseum and the changing rooms had chadeliers in them with a thick carpet in the middle. Happy days and great memories!!!
So italy has the wooden spoon year after year wales get it whilst rebuilding 1st time in years and all of a sudden relegation is a good idea?????
You must've had your head stuck up Carol Vordeman's Valleys for the last 5yrs!
'cause every Wooden spoon the Italians have won has seen the "relegation knives" out, and the Georgian Playoff conversation.......
That’s the Italian legacy, enjoy 😂 ciao
Bro they've been talking about relegation for Italy for the past 8 years. You just happen to be even worse than us now, relax it's never going to happen since the six nations is co-owned by all the participating federations.
The whole point of the six nations is that it is based on rivalry first and merit second (Britain + Ireland, then France, then Italy). Yes Italy have struggled to justify their inclusion, and no-one really see's their match with Italy as a historic rivalry, and yes World Rugby constantly bang on about "growing the game" and "growing revenue" (you will also note World Rugby never actually publish figures or reports demonstrating how they've achieved any of these things) so Georgia and others feel left behind, but Georgia, Romania, Portugal, etc. are not entitled to become part of the Six Nations. They can fire shots at Wales (who have fired their own shots in the opposite direction in the past) all they like, but they're never going to contribute to the history of the competition in the way Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England, and France have. (Wales vs England [Class-based], Scotland vs England [Historic], Ireland vs England [probably best not to get into it], England vs France, Wales vs Ireland [Celtic Cousins]). These undertones are what give the Six Nations meaning, even if the historic "hatred" isn't necessarily real anymore.
Side note: I don't think its a realistic idea to remove Italy either, even before their incredible form this year. Italy's progress in the 6N is more an indictment on WR's inability to fund or support non-dominant teams than the ability or merit of Italy to compete. England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland have all had extended periods in the competition where they weren't competitive, but they still added their own value. The beauty of motivation and emotion allowing a weaker team to grind out a win over a dominant team seems to happen in the 6N more often than most other competitions.
The play-off idea is short sighted and unrealistic. Mandate T1 teams to actually play T2 and T3 nations semi-regularly or fund proper A and B teams that allow near-test level players to face T2/3 opposition. We won't see this, obviously, because there is no money in it and all of these £50-60m+ revenue unions keep gaslighting everyone that they have no money (except Ireland who seem to be the only union that isn't ruled purely by corporate greed).
Its actually mad how rarely T1 teams play Pacific Island, North/South American, and Europe 2 teams. Kudos to Japan for the progress they made from 2015 to almost demand greater inclusion on their part.
Call us out at our weakest and lowest point is it ? 😅
Or their strongest point…
We'd still beat them!
Exactly .. ignore Italy being spoon winners for 20 plus yrs then Wales get 1st spoon in 22 yrs looking the weakest they've been for many yrs due to total rebuild and suddenly cockerill or co.ck. suddenly grows a pair and wants a play off against bottom 6nations Wales.. what a tosspot
Literally a new coach to a team who’ve been asking to play the bottom team for over 10 years, and have played Italy lots in the autumn tests the last 4/5 years. Not exactly shocking, more like exactly the same as the last 10 years
I don't get how England and France A teams cannot join these teams on a regular basis. You'd think they would at least pay for themselves, give guys international experience, and more competition for Spain and George. Dont know if the other home nations have the player depth to put an A team out but France and England certainly have.
Georgia amazing place went to watch Gloucester play their in December fantastic place, they just need to sort the flights from the uk their 👍
im a welshman , and a passionate supporter , and i agree that a playoff game at the end of the six nations is probably a good idea , this year its wales turn to be at the bottom of the table , but i think that all teams in it would try a bit harder, and from our point of view it may be the kick up the ass that the WRU needs to sort the game out in wales
Agreed. Also from Wales
Plus we get away games in Portugal, Belgium, Germany, Holland.
I'm in, fuck the other shit holes, I'm all in for relegation 👍
@@lonederanger2603 there's always a silver lining
@@jeffwatts4264 always find the positives in any situation 👍
@@lonederanger2603presumably you mean Cardiff???
If the REC teams want to play more games against T1 teams, then they are going to have to do some things first.
1) They must get better by playing more games against nations similar to them such as teams from the nations in Africa, (Namibia, Zimbabwe, Kenya) Asia (Japan, Hong Kong, Korea, Philipines), the Pacific Islands, (Tonga, Fiji, Samoa) and the Americas (Uruguay, Chilie, Brazil, USA, Canada). This also helps develop the game. The Rugby Europe Championship teams need also to play teams from the Rugby Europe Trophy competition to help develop the game in Europe. It is all well and good for the REC teams to complain that they are not getting better because the 6Ns teams won't play them but then none of the eight teams play none of the teams in the competitions below them.
2) Rugby Europe Championship and Trophy participating nations must have a minimum of 2 club teams that participate in the Rugby Europe Super Cup . Most have none, a select view have one. They are not going to develop rugby in these nations or get better by depending on their national side for experience in rugby. If they have more clubs, they can lobby for more representation in the European Champions Cup and Challenge Cup.
3) The national unions in the REC need to lobby their government to list rugby as a protected sport and they need to have rugby broadcast on public TV. The EU introduced a law where member states can do this. Most REC countries have not availed of this law and those that have, only have protected soccer. If people can not view the sport, they will not engage with it. If there is an audience, then there is money. All Six Nations countries have this in place.
4) Players from Rugby Europe Championship nations must attend secondary schools and promote the game to young students, through discussing their experiences playing rugby and by offering after class light rugby sessions for those students interested. The players must be the ambassadors that drive the game forward. If you can get children interested then you will have a base to build on for the future. If these players don't, then the children will go to soccer as they are exposed to that at school going age. It is also important that the REC unions give a percentage of tickets to school going children and a parent for free. Time and again stadiums are empty at REC games and it is a missed opportunity to develop interest in the game.
These are the basics for any T2 team to do if they are serious on wanting to develop the game and to have more games against T1 nations. If this is done, then they can perhaps lobby for 6Ns teams to play them in more games I have listed some options for that in another comment on this video
They played in October 🤷♂️
I really want to see Black Lion in the URC, that would be interesting, and I personally believe they'd give a few teams a run for their money
To grow the game in Europe perhaps the Six Nations teams should have to reserve one of their autumn nations games for their corresponding team in the Rugby Championship. So in 2024, it would be:
Ireland vs Georgia
France vs Portugal
England vs Spain
Scotland vs Romania
Italy vs Netherlands
Wales vs Germany
Let them join the 6 nations if they're good enough...no chance would a 6 nations team agree to a play off with the loss of revenue.
I think there should be promotion and relegation system in the SN but, with the home/away format of the SN there should only be relegation if a team wins ‘the spoon’ twice in a row.
Yeah even after 2 spoons in a row couldn’t be completely fair… with a relegation system there should be both Home and away matches or play the whole 6N in a guest country
Unless the six nations becomes a home and away competition and therefore a proper league, there shouldn't be relegation. The endless tinkering in rugby is farcical
Do we have to play the whole of Georgia?
I think there are numerous players out there who currently hope to be picked for one of the six nations teams (but aren’t) who could equally, through family connections, play for one of the 2nd tier teams. Ultimately I want to see more games and faster growth of the best sport on the planet.
Every one needs to pipe down! This kinda talk will give Wales a reason to win the Grand Slam next year!
Goodey pretty sure I saw you at Chilterns Lifestyle Centre on Sunday?
Did he still look like a complete nonce.
Lekker guys!!! Albert. South Africa 🤦🏼♂️
Asked a mate of mine fm Brighton, where in the world would u live...he said Tiblisi or Capetown!
The 6 nations has a lot of history and shouldnt really be changed....when italy joined it kind of diluted the championship... even if im glad they are in... but they need to build competitivity to strengthen the competition rather than just be the whipping boys....any new team entering it will be beaten easily by the rest and again dilute the history and strength of the competition....i do feel the other european nations should play against the teir 1 teams a lot more to make the game competitive rather than almost forgone conclusions...an autumn cup of A team vs europe cup may be a better option over relegation.
Let’s not get carried away here 🏴 are in a hole at the moment but they will be back.all this righting them of is rubbish they are a massive rugby nation .i am a Irish fan myself but I know the Welsh people very well and I would bet my life on it 😊
I'm welsh, our regional game is terrible, will never thrive under the current structures.... we have another 3 years until we are at a point to be competing for top 5 again but to do that they need regular top level competition....
Georgia deserve more exposure buy not at anyone's expense. I think allowing them into the urc is a great move, develop the players and bring more opportunities for Georgian rugby.
Wales got a wooden spoon for the second time in 24 years and suddenly they need to be replaced by Georgia. Italy won the wooden spoon 17 times and went 7 years without winning and niwxsre seen as a huge rugby powerhouses because they won 2 games. What a load of 💩💩💩
Totally agree pall.. the disrespect has been incredible.. more surprisingly by these 2 fknuggets goody and hamilton.. Hamilton has slagged Wales for years always doubting them.even while winning grand slams and they're almost rubbing their hands at prospect of Wales being out of 6nations.. the once 5 nations is historic between the home nations and France who took pity on Italy and invited them to make 6nations.. It's staggering to think Italy after 20 odd years consistently winning the spoon and not made to play a play off to secure 6nations involvement suddenly come last to bottom and Wales after22 yrs since last spoon suddenly everyone wants to see Wales made to participate in a play off to secure 6nations.. obviously nothing to do with the fact the likes of cock hill wants to attempt to take advantage of an under par young Welsh team in total transition like a coward up for fighting an already beaten man.. the likes of goody Hamilton want to see it purly out of disrespect for Wales and has nothing to do with giving others a chance.. they and others would like nothing more than see humiliation for Wales.. that is their sole motivation for a play off involving Wales nothing else.. and that is sad to see from other so called home nations ex players given the successful history of Wales in 5 and 6 nations as tournament grand slam winners and tripple crown winners...
I think a lot of Welsh supporters are taking this as a personal attack by Georgia and the world of rugby. It's not. The idea of Italy being replaced by Georgia in the 6 Nations has pretty much been a yearly occurence for the past 10 years at least. I don't know how so many Welsh fans seem to have missed it. It's not about Wales being punished for a bad season. It's about the best T2 team in Europe being given a chance against whoever performs worst in the 6N at any given year.
@@user-bt1cl4ex6d Welsh fans are not taking it personnel or haven't missed anything regarding how Italy have dominated the wooden spoon for 24 yrs.. italy should have been booted out yrs ago to give some one else a chance from tier 2 whether or not that was the right thing to do.. the gripe if it can be called that is suddenly Wales during a very gnarly transition period has resulted in poor results and wooden spoon holders for the 1st time in 20 plus yrs. Unfortunately it's stirred up some back stabbers who would take great delight in seeing the 2nd most successful nation in the history of the tournament booted out... but there you go...
@@isitwasit8756 I'm an England supporter, and I always saw Wales as the toughest game for England. Not Scotland not Ireland or France. And definitely not italy. Looking at italy's results in general they come out as pritty arrogant considering the number of wooden spoon they achieved
@@isitwasit8756 don't worry guys, you will rub it into the Italians face next time you hammer them 😉 wales will bounce back, believe me. Coming from an England fan
Didnt wales lose to Georgia in Nov 22, in Cardiff ? Were they rebuilding then too….a year out from the World Cup 🤔
Not so much rebuilding as disintegrating.....as were England. Most of that team retired before the world cup.
We went on to beat Georgia in the World Cup. Now a lot of those players are gone, but the spirit of welsh rugby is not. We’ll be back, don’t doubt us
By replacing a traditional rugby nation with Georgia, Portugal, Romania, or Spain into the 6Ns will not necessarily guarantee a better competition. In fact it might have the oppositte effect and destroy the competition. Also If Wales, Scotland or Italy were replaced in the 6Ns, then it could destroy rugby in these nations. TRC have similar issues as the 6Ns in that Fiji, Samoa, and Tonga wish to join but this has not happened and that the tournament was set up to represent the historical rivalries between South Africs, New Zealand, and Australia. You might also note the tournament has financial problems and that the 6Ns teams agreed to the new World League competition because South Africa wanted to leave and join the 6Ns and that Australia (as reported in the media) were set to go into administration. You see part of developing the game is that you maintain the high level teams and not let them crash. If you were to let those teams crash you revert to a lower quality level and that drives viewers away.
South Africa doesn't want to leave the Rugby Championship but Australia (and some in NZ) have always pushed to separate from South Africa. It finally happened with Super Rugby but to the detriment of OZ and NZ rugby. Happy for Fiji though.
@@coatknight South Africa did and do want to leave TRC. They have made this clear many times over the years with various ex and current players discussing this in tbe media. Google it
@@coatknight South Africa did and do want to leave TRC and join the 6Ns. Many ex and current players have discussed this in many media articles for several years now and it takes just five minutes to find these articles on the internet. In fact it had been previously speculated that SA would join the 6Ns in 2025 before 6Ns came out to say it was not happening.
It's nice to see Wales being offered to play in Georgia above the likes of every other team and let's be in honest Wales are about the only team with the balls to give them a game
Fiji beat Australia in the RWC. The obvious solution for Fijian Rugby is for Georgia to Jion the 6N. Funny how nobody wants promotion or relegation in the Rugby Championship. If England came last in the 6N and God came through the clouds on a partially cloudy day and said "Come on lads be fair", England would not be relegated. So neither should Cymru. As for join the URC why not not the English or French League, we already have sixteen sides.
People discussing the 6 nations issue regarding the competitiveness, while bringing promotion/relegation.
Lads you've just forgotten major issue, its a Private Business, not the UEFA, or FiFA based competition.
Business either expanding, or goes to Bankruptcy. since Rugby is Still half-professional around the globe, nobody will ever allow Pro/Rel system to be introduced in one of the financially successful tournament.
Even if there were 10-12 approximately equally strong Nations in Europe, Starting from Ireland and finished with, for example Netherland, the system, Business, will merged, rather than relegate some of them. In the case of Georgia or Portugal competitiveness is just 40%, both of them need to prove their financial strength and Richard perfectly underline how well funded rugby is in Georgia. expansion has already started, for the first at U18 level, stars in two days, next I believe it will be U20 (with Georgia there be Spain in U20 Rugby World Cup) and after some time it be the senior 6 nations.
2*4 with home and away like the RC..Georgia and Portugal would be good inclusion..
Listen to this absolute tosh, So England are going to help the Georgians and play them ?
We beat them fair and square in the WC.
Now Tbilisi is better than Rome 😂. Unfortunately a Georgian team could not afford a team in URC because of all the traveling and other costs
have u been there?
🍻
What if Black Lions join conference with 2 italian teams and a new team based in Rome. The Ealing Trailfinders and Wasps join the scottish teams
If we want teams to improve we need lower tables to give teams an opportunity to play a bigger team relegation for the 6 nation's would be great
Right, after the lions tours Wales are usually rubbish, as as a small nation when we are successful we can provide all our best players, this affects the season after the lions (its called the Lions Hangover Season). Relegation would mean Wales will be up for relegation every season after the lions tours..and will have to pull out of the lions for survival.
Relegation is short sighted, idiotic and plain destructive. Every team goes through a rebuilding phase and has dark times. Throwing them to the wolves the second they do will completely destroy any longterm investment and planning. Rugby cannot survive if there is complete chaos.
Send the kids he said ....did you boys not just watch the six nations. That was the kids/the first choice. Wales can barely raise a side.
I have never heard so much rubbish, Wales are in transition, a poor team, with a lot of players missing. Maybe the future of Welsh rugby is not in a good place, but the suggestion is Wskes are poor and we can beat them. Good isn't it, so you want to play Tier 1 nations, well challenge those teams who did well in this 6 nations your ireland, France, England etc...didn't Wales beat you in the last world cup, I am all for teams playing against higher opposition, you can imagine how the Welsh team might react. Only a couple of years ago the thinking was to kick Italy out of 6 nations, that was the noise coming out of Georgia.
Too easy to call out a team while they’re at a low point. If Georgia are serious about being in the 6N they need to be competitive against the other sides when they are on good runs, not just when they are struggling.
Nice
That sixth spot should be up for grabs via a playoff, wooden spoon vs tier 2 Nhem top team.
Unfortunately never going to happen. If there was a relegation system in place the six nations would lose millions in revenue if France, England, etc were relegated. Until georgia can front up big money. Never going to happen.
7N would need to become 8N. I really think it needs to be a priority to bring in tier 2 nations. The teams as well as the game needs to see tier 2 come to the fore.
2 month international tournament every year? Possibly a bit much?
@@JoseStev cut the breaks out force teams to build a squad?
3 divisions, 4 teams in each, play eachother home and away and a play off for wooden spoon teams.
Lol leave the URC out your mouth. Join the top 14.
The English league has lost 3 teams in recent years. And possibly a couple more in the future. Perhaps they are in need of an extra team?
Although this is amusing …. it’s daft to consider destroying the best competition in world rugby by turning it into the 7 nations or 8 nations. What we need are alternative ways for other rugby nations to get experience ….
Nice one guys! It would be cathartic for Welsh rugby if they lost to Georgia again and absolutely fantastic for Georgia!! Imagine a Six Nations without Wales - it's coming!!
Oh behave, we've had 1 bad season in the last 21 years. Do some research before posting stupid comments. Scotland have had 4 wooden spoons in 21 years to Wales 1. ITALY have 15.
My comment was based on the desperate state of the four regions - the skill level is so low - the future looks bleak 😢
@@user-mh5yq1mm6e Let's be honest. This us the greatest Scottish team in twenty years. Yet a 4th and a 3rd in the 6N and elimination in the pool stages in the RWC. Yes they played well but can they keep it up.
This is complete nonsense, the same rubbish was said last year with Italy, Wales should have beaten England and had they 2 more minutes possibly Scotland too, small margins.
No need to break the 6N for georgia's benefit, they can stay where they are.
And do what, win their tournament for the 17th consecutive time? Keeping them locked out of T1 competition is cynical and goes against the values of the sport. Or do you only care about tradition when it suits you?
@@user-bt1cl4ex6d what values of the sport? Where are these values written? Who agreed to abide by these so called values? Georgia can do whatever the hell they want, they do not have a right to join the 6N, nobody is entitled to play in OUR competition. If Georgia want their own version of the 6N then I suggest Georgia, Romania, Portugal, Spain and maybe Belgium go and start their own competition, play in it every year for 150 years and EARN the money, viewership and quality of opposition that they desire.
@@d.jparer5184The value of fair play. Keeping a country from improving by locking them out of T1 competition is unfair. It doesn't have to be through 6 Nations necessarily, but they were also left out of another T1 competition (the Nations Cup).
This is a country that didn't have a national team 30 years ago and they've managed to somehow progress to a high enough level to beat Italy and Wales. If they don't deserve a chance then World Rugby might as well tell everyone outside the top 12 not to bother playing rugby.
@@user-bt1cl4ex6d the 6N teams do play the game fairly, you however have decided that the 6N teams looking out for their own interests is unfair. That is not a value of the sport, that is YOUR value. Georgia can cry me a river as far as I'm concerned, if they can't make it to tier one by themselves then they don't deserve it. No self respecting man would beg for handouts and neither should a self respecting nation. Yes they narrowly beat Wales one year in the summer friendlies, when Wales played them in the last world cup (going through all of the turmoil that they were and with something actually to play for) they managed to absolutely spank georgia. The match wasn't competitive at all. Sorry but just because YOU like Georgia doesn't mean we're gonna ruin the 6N just to make YOU happy. As I said before, let them start their own competition and let them build it up for 150 years, then they can decide what teams can join their competition and which teams can't.
@@d.jparer5184 How can a country make it to T1 if they only play T1 opposition every other year and during the world cups? They could beat Romania and Poland by a 40 point margin for 150 years; that won’t get them to T1 level. And what handouts are you talking about? Playing a game of rugby against a developing team isn’t a handout. No one’s begging for money.
You keep talking about the tradition of the 6N, but you didn’t address my point about the brand new Nations Cup. World Rugby keep talking about developing the game worldwide and go on to create a closed competition that locks out emerging nations. Is the excuse the long standing 0 year old tradition of that tournament, or do you just want the same 6 teams to be competitive forever and just won’t say it?
What if, when a team comes last in the Six Nations two years running that triggers a play-off game between them and Georgia?
I mean Cardiff is a rugby city. It would be devastated if it didn't host six nations games....but hey, if professional Rugby wants to leave Wales. Fine. We could use the stadium for football and turn it into a footballing city. Yma a Hyd etc.
or expand the 6 nations to 8 nations with promotion and relegation. i don't think the 6N are going to agree to a playoff if there's any risk of being demoted, it has to be expanded.
Relegation makes teams play cagey as hell and makes it a terrible, desperate spectacle, particularly in Rugby where playing cagey boring rugby is a real option.. Thought we were trying to make rugby more exciting.
It's an invitation tournament . Turkeys don't vote for xmas.
sound like BS to me, is that how it works in the WC knock out rounds? seems pretty exicting to me, the other team trying to knock you out forces you to play.@@mixodorians12
As a Welshman and rugby fan I have believed there should be a playoff for the 6 nations. If we are not good enough we should not be holding other teams back. Maybe it would be the kick up the backside the WRU need to get their house in order. That said I will never give up on the Welsh team. Good luck Georgia, keep it up and people will have to acknowledge your ability 👍
There's many ways any team or individual can improve -- but I feel if you aren't playing competition at a certain standard regularly, you will never see major improvements.
The fact the Georgian's will basically guarantee a sellout 60,000 every home game plus a sellout on a televised home audience makes absolute sense to me personally.
I think it would be cool, Expand it rather than Play Off and then expand it every 4 years to European wide like Football. This would increase the skillset of all I think
Rubbish
A team that’s won 90 of the last 2nd tier competitions available to them and beat the team in their home patch last year want a chance to enter a competition, yea total rubbish
Honestly, Sam warburton should just go away..the guy threw away two certain World Cup finals, one against France and another by sending the team into the Jaws of a 13 man Australian defence. He prioritised his Lions career above all else. Didn't even sing the Welsh national anthem, and is putting ideas out there that could potentially completely destroy Welsh rugby, just so he appear impartial to the English audience and paymasters..
Wales could litterally disappear from the international rugby scene after one wooden spoon in 21 years, in an attempt to bed in new players..
Way to maximise the damage Sam.
So you want to keep your privilege seat?, it won’t work mate, is like being a corrupt politician receiving money.
@@btcdunks8476 privileged seat? Joining the 6N is not a human right 😂
No, is just a communist mafia gig…
We lost all our six nations games and if we lost to Georgia as well then we don’t deserve to be in the six nations for a season. Been saying there should be a playoff for years and just because wales would be in it don’t change my mind. We brought this on ourselves. Our lack of forward planning (and pivac) done this not Sam warburton.
@@JonathanGrant-pr9cw nobody deserves to play in the six nations, if we ever decide to let Georgia into our prestigious competition then they will be the lucky ones. The 6N is fine with 6 teams, adding Georgia won't make it more exciting so there's no reason to do it. It's not anyone's fault that georgia aren't that good but Georgia.
Zero representation for Wales in this clearly unbiased conversation ! - For the record - The Six Nations began life as the Home Nations Championship - as the name suggests, featuring just England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales - in 1883. Since then, Ireland has won the wooden spoon 29 times, followed by Scotland on 21, England on 19 and Wales on 16. The Home Nations Championship became the Five Nations Championship between 1910-1931 and 1947-1999, with the addition of France, and the Six Nations Championship from 2000 onwards, with the addition of Italy. France has won the wooden spoon 12 times, but Italy has already finished bottom of the table in 13 of its 19 appearances.
When i mentioned relegation people were lile the welsh are nice people and there is no 6 nations without them. Erm. Go Georgia!!!! Welsh rugby is in a shambles. Their coach is a lot like eddy jones. Well at least they are nice people. Ffs. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Move all the international games (including the 6N and European international cup) to a Summer/Autumn window and compress the NH European domestic season. Then the Nations cup/World rugby can plan meaningful international fixtures and bring in teams like Georgia and Fiji. They can do it on a 4 year cycle to make sure we get both consistency as well as variety of games.
No. We like the 6N when and how it is.
It’s an important part of the sports calendar in the UK, Ireland and France
@@MorAodhan that is the attitude that’s keeping elements of rugby in the dark ages, old farts babbling on about the good old days
@@MorAodhan Do you really believe that we couldn’t adapt to a different Calendar?
@@thecuttingsark5094it's unnecessary and impractical. Not to mention one of the 6N's highlights is a big game or a super Saturday on St.Patrick's day. The current calendar for most is a great and well welcomed reprieve from the new year.
Just Hates Wales 🏴
Im all for this it will grow the game and Tblisi is a great city despite the ignorance of some
Im Welsh and i agree with it, it could actually revolutionise European Rugby and bring in the next level of rugby into the fold perfectly
6N should go back to either the 4 home nations, or the 4 home nations & France, as it has been for over a hundred years.
Then, World Rugby should introduce a European competition to include the likes of Georgia, Italy, Portugal and so on. This is how you improve and grow rugby as a whole - not by trying to gate crash a private rivalry competition between the countries of the UK & France, that foolishly let Italy to join in fairly recent history.
Ireland isn't part of the UK, bro.
@@Leeside999 UK & Ire.
@@TrezenEN That's better :)
@@Leeside999the Ireland rugby team represents the republic of Ireland, a sovereign state, and northern Ireland, one of the countries that make up the united kingdom.
@@d.jparer5184 _" the republic of Ireland, a sovereign state,"_
Exactly. Not the UK.
Nothing wrong with giving other nations a chance to compete at the top table in Europe. Why not bring it in from next year with last place playing 2 games vs the next highest ranked European side with the highest aggregate score winner over the two games earning a spot in the 6 nations. It can only strengthen the game in Europe as a whole. How could you be against that.
Wales are dross, time for a change.
😂 hang on Italy been shit since time began. Won a game and Wales are having massive changes yet Wales needs to go. 😂 Gethin Jenkins has won more in his career that Italy ever have as a nation. Pipe down ya quim.
1 wooden spoonfor wales in 22 years while italy in same period have been the regular spoon holders yet suddenly the call to take advantage of a welsh side in transition is equivelent of a coward wanting to fight an already beaten man.. italy have their 1st half decent 6nations in 20 plus years but finish last but one and all is forgiven .. incredible horseshitery....