UK's CAA U-Turn on C1 Labels Relegates ALL new larger Drones to Countryside Only
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2022
- A hugely disappointing announcement from the UK's Civil Aviation Authority as it changes the rules at the last minute to specifically ignore the new EASA numeric classifications and relegate ALL larger drones to open countryside only, even if they have the new EASA C1 label.
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For non-drone viewers, this is about drone flyers being able to take pictures and videos of landmarks and landscape in more built up areas, but still whilst staying high up. They should still remain around 50 metres above people to ensure privacy; drones' cameras are like mobile phones and people are just dots from that height. Until this announcement, this particular drone would have been permitted to fly in most areas; now it can't. But remember, drones have nothing like the zoom lenses that standard DSLR cameras have. It's not about invasion of privacy; 99.99% of drone flyers have zero interest in the tiny dots of people on the ground! And for the dronies, this means we miss out on a lot more freedoms than were originally planned. What's your thoughts?
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But for those Brits who also travel to Europe we can still enjoy freedoms. That said, is my Mavic 3 now also C1 rated with the software update ….?
I don't think I shall bother renewing my licence, and I have saved up for a dji Classic. I am sick of being treat like a mushroom.
I have never intended to buy a new dji drone over 249g since 2019, and I haven't
Not nice for us, in EU - using them in UK. 249G wins hands down ...
@@derekpask3633 exactly.
This will split drone users and would be drone users into two groups 1. Those who will stick with sub 249g drones, 2. Those that will do what they like regardless of the rules
Group 2 is growing by the day:) as FPV drone pilot I really couldn't care less about these rules and use common sense (not flying in urban areas, not flying close to people , or near airports/harbors/jails)
@@TheCivildecaydo you register your drones above 250g?
There's never a dull moment. Seems like the only route is to make the MINI series out of carbon fiber and up the camera to their Hasselblad line. Please include controllable f stops.
I like your thinking... :)
That would be nice, but would the UK alone be a viable market for a drone like that?
@@simonelliott5956 i think the sub 250g market isn't just for regulation purposes, it's also a great market for hikers/adventures/people who want to throw a drone in the bag and not really notice the size and weight, something smaller, lighter and with great IQ has universal appeal
@RCmadness Good points!
One can understand why some people ignore rules when they seem unreasonable. One only has to go to any town/city to see that illegal electric scooters are more prevalent than the official trial scooters. It will be the same with drones. Many will not even get a free licence or mark the ID on their drone and there will be am uncontrolled free for all.
Lets hope the Government and the CAA get themselves sorted - and soon.
Less than one percent of crimes are solved now -so do what you want I guess? Just don’t misgender someone accidentally; then you’ll get a Knock on the door.
I am an inspecting building surveyor and use drones for my work very successfully. I have a couple of sub 250g drones and a couple of heavier drones, one of which is a thermal drone. I work in congested areas much of the time. I went ahead and obtained A2 C of C and that has also been helpful. However, I was going to buy a Mavic 3 Classic, until now obviously. This appears to be another downside to our non-EU status I'm afraid, fishing was let down badly but that's another story. Feeling sorry for those who purchased the Mavic 3 Classic, I think we will see quite a few being returned/sold. I feel confused by CAA and let down slightly...I have no real faith in them unfortunately.
I purchased a Mavic 3 Classic and sold my Air2s literally because of the C1 marking. Their timing is impeccable and they are they completely unaccountable.
I'm getting a Mavic 3 regardless of this latest "edict" from "on high". I do similar to you and just get on with it. If I worried - I'd never go to work !
So don't blame the british government blame brexit ? IVE BEEN TO UNI IM SMART .
@Richard Bedford how does one go about getting a job in your field, what would you look for in some one if you was to employ them?
So how would it be different if we were in the EU?
Wow, so sorry to see what you're going through in the UK. I would be interested to hear what Philip Bloom has to say about all this, I'm sure he has a few choice words : O
Here in Canada, with the Advanced Pilot license from Transport Canada, the minimum horizontal distance for none participants is 5 meters which illustrates how out of whack the CAA is with common wealth countries. Hoping they come to their senses sooner than later....
Thumbs up given but geez … how utterly ridiculous to make this decision! As you say … this really confirms my order being placed now for the Mini 3 Pro.
Cheers for keeping us all up to date mate.
Thanks Glyn. You'll love the Mini 3 Pro, I guarantee it. Make sure you get the RC package that has the screen in the remote. £850. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@IaninLondon £779 on Amazon right now. On it's way today. Looking forward to getting flying again, but it's been about 16 years since i was last flying RC planes. Huge changes since then, many unfortunate.
Great piece. Informative and interesting as always.
Great summary about some bad news. Thanks for this video
I think anyone buying the Mavic 3 Classic based on its C class rating in the UK was optimistic at best. Even when it was announced, many UK commentators pointed out that the marking was potentially moot in the UK, as has now been proven the case.
Yep, the CAA hasn't helped their own cause here, but from a purely personal perspective, it'll save me a lot of money and I'll milk the living heck out of my Air 2S in the meantime.
Unfortunately, I think this will also just make responsible pilots wonder why they bother jumping through the hoops in the first place. Shackled at every turn with stuff like this and the abysmal CE transmission shackles (which by the way we should now be binning off for FCC with our new found 'freedom'), how long before even the most responsible just give up and go Wild West?
Just as long as you milk your Air 2S 150m from people and residences, since at 595g, it's now considered A3 class.
I won't be paying any more fees to the CAA.
@@onepalproductions While the rules have never been easy to understand, as an A2 CofC owner my understanding is that nothing has changed in terms of how I'm able to operate with the Air 2S until 2026 now. I'm lucky enough to live rurally and by the coast, so much of my flying is in open countryside and over water anyway, but I'll wait for the dust to settle before I consider my next option.
@@redzeppelinuk Indeed, you're fine, for now. Let's hope we don't follow the FAA with compulsory remote I.D.
The CAA can go and jump off a bridge. Fuck their rules... And fees. It's all about money and control... Rogue flying will prevail. Power to the people. Our freedom to do as we please and privacy.
Typical CAA frankly. Have had involvement with their regulatory incompetence over many, many years when it comes to General Aviation in the UK. Left hand not talking with the right one and total ignorance of ALL factors that need to be considered before stating a final decision. Thanks for the update here Ian.
100% agree
It's the DFT not CAA that's to blame!
@@timballam3675 Having spent a number of years working with govt departments, including the CAA and DfT, I am not sure not I agree. Whilst the DfT is the legislative body, and so must be seen to make the decisions, it is the CAA that will inform and advise. The DfT would be very unlikely to go against CAA recommendations.
Absolutely agree.
Beggars belief how they ever come to such decisions, or not as the case may be.
Cancel All Aviation are notorious for this kind of shambles. Yet more Brexit collateral.
The CAA website and drone rules are not fit for purpose.
You have to study those rules which include the C Classification to get a flyer id and no doubt it is also in the A2CofC examination 🤔
I suspect that the CAA are looking to 2026 because by then testing for commercial drone operations will be further along (The UK plans to launch the world’s biggest drone superhighway) and they will be looking carefully at the Airspace below 400ft.
Paying £10 for an operator id is peanuts to the Millions to be made from Commercial drone Airspace and control.
Commercial drone highway in your dreams. They cannot maintain ground level infrastructure. But I can imagine the government trying to bottle air to sell it back to us plus VAT of course.
I want to see their risk assessments on this class of drone both in Europe and in the U.K.?
I want to see what the differences are?
This really doesn’t make logical sense.
Are they going to compensate those who bought the classic, after all they announced this a week after the classics release and many people have already received their drone they just purchased?..🤔
Thats bureaucrats for you, don't fully understand what they are doing, just get paid lots of money.
It’s not about logic, it’s about the CAA being lazy and not wanting to make any decisions- we already know, from comments to parliamentary committee, that the CAA are only interested in major drone companies and are anti-hobby drone users.
How disappointing. Good to know I don't have to rush to sell my Air 2 - but gah the CAA... you were doing so well!
I almost bought a Mavic Classic a few weeks ago, but then didn't but only because it's winter and the lack of flight time for a brand new toy. You are right, people pay money for training and insurance to fly both bigger and safer UAV's only to find out it's more restricted than people who don't! Explains why pot isn't legal here either, because we think we are better than any other country! Although when you've watched enough YT videos showing range tests of 5km knowing that it's out of operator visual range, it's not difficult to figure out the CAA's argument. People are openly showing themselves flouting the rules.
Most of these ‘rules’ shouldn’t exist at all. In the name of safety you can ban EVERYTHING…but it is nothing more than clamping your freedoms…because they can. If a model is operated beyond visual range….does it matter….really? No, it is operating remotely whether ten feet away or ten miles away. The CAA dream up these arbitrary ideas with zero practical test or incident data…it is all just suits at desk opinion..made law.
Well explained. Thank you.
Very Interesting. Sorry That This Is Happening. Thank You Ian.
Oh my god.The CAA have messed it up again. I am shaking my head in disbelief.😤
I suspect that it's not the CAA but a political diktat from the SofS for Transport.
No surprises to be honest, brexit has always meant we have no requirement to follow any EU regulations or EASA rules!
Hence why I still fly my sub 250g Mini drones, so makes no difference to me ! 👍😁
Saw it coming a country mile away....😳😲🤔😊
Problem is we follow all the other eu bullshit rules.
@@tonyrobinson362 Yes exactly! Makes you wonder what was the point of brexit in the first place⚠️😲🤔
@@jjs3287 I realise all that....
My cheap brexit dig was simply, it's made zero benefit for us leaving the EU, only massively impacting us in every possible negative way, including flying a plastic toy! 🙄
I'm prepared for that day, my drone will get covered in feathers and I'll go fly my 'pet bird' in the park!⚠️😲😁
We've played by the rules and we get shafted, time to not give a dam and fly wherever !!
If i had just bought one after reading the CAA's website that clearly shows where you can fly this drone until the end of the year, I would just ignore the CAA and continue to fly it but safety and common sense comes first.
Yes we have untill the end of this year to use it as a C1. With C1 permissions as per EU..
Correct me if im wrong Ian.
I believe so based on the CAA website information, but others are saying the precise legislation still prohibits the Mavic 3 Classic as the law stipulates a difference between EU C marks and UK C Marks. But if that's not clearly spelt out on the CAA website, I think it would be hard to enforce.....
many people will just fly them regardless of area if they feel hard done by, CAA hate drones it's so sad they are not supportive
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Thanks for the info, just as well most of my flying is where you are in this video. Which looks like Stanhope area.🙂
I completely agree with your disappointment! I still believe that if the agencies that control the sky don't make money, they are not interested in hobbyists flying drones. So sad.
This is precisely what strips away the essential euphoria and enjoyment of flying drones
which is the point of our "authorities" and civil services
Government don't want anyone to have fun. The UK is a miserable country to live in.
@@mattflynn6328 These rules are being drawn up by the CAA, not the government. And one person's "fun" is another person's misery. Far too many people think they should be entitled to do what they want, but unfortunately they don't want any of the responsibilities that come with those freedoms. Whether it be idiotic drone pilots, morons with scooters, bikes or cars, all behaving like they're the only ones that matter, or just drunken idiots fighting on a Saturday night... many people can't be trusted to behave sensibly.
The essential euphoria and enjoyment might be fine for you, just like the boy racers get the same from driving fast, or the scooter riders who enjoy dodging between pedestrians on the pavement at high speed, or the party loving neighbours playing loud music in to the early hours, or vandals going round smashing things. They all get euphoria and enjoyment from what they do. It's so unfair that people want to stop them having their fun.
@@another3997 you’re certainly correct about people who inconsiderately behave like that.
Totally peed off as many others like me , saw this as on opportunity to upgrade my Mavic 2 pro , so this is a big kick in the teeth ! I have my C of C and being in FPV UK still only gives me 30 metres! As you stated only one worth buying for me now is the Mavic 3 pro, though not ideal in windy environment I live! Seems these faceless CAA have had us over........very disappointed !
Cheers Ian, what a complete ball ache though!!
madness indeed, i may still get the M3 Classic, as I fly mostly away from people and homes; will keep the Mini 2 for the town stuff.
I’m just going to keep flying and use common sense. 👊
Filming and photography is an art form. When have artists achieved anything by sticking to rules?
We all need to follow your advice
too right, i just fly as and where i want with common sense. f the rules that dont make sense.
I'm in the film and TV industry. Initially I was quite excited about the possibilities of drones, not only for the sake of doing big spectacular aerial shots but also low-level, low-speed tracking stuff without laying tracking rail. My impression was almost immediately that the rules were so tight as to make the whole endeavour fairly pointless and I lost interest. Sad to see the problem continues.
For filming, cast and crew are involved persons. If you have a closed set no problems.
@@allanm1007 That's the problem. If you have closed a city street, you might as well put a crane on a track and have better (certainly quieter) results than the drone. If the only way to use drones is to get individual permissions from dozens of people within some ludicrously huge radius, well, it's basically useless for 95% of shows. I'm not proposing a free for all, but right now it's only useful for the super high end, which always had a dozen options to get the shots it wanted anyway.
@@huffers3111 the CAA response wasnt a surprise. My brother uses drones for low follow shots and if its to the side, on tracks. ah the sort of shots that don't require a direct audio feed.
But again, i wasn't shocked to see the CAA update, one thing we are superb at in the UK, is procrastination and beaurocracy.
Thanks for the information! I’ve literally just upgraded from the mini 3 pro to the Mavic 3 classic 😂 but, the a2 licence is still giving us an extra 100m reduced distance, so it’s not all lost. We can hope that they will pull their heads out of their arses and change the rules for something they no nothing about, to what will benefit people that use these drones daily.
Excellent commentary Ian.
My worry is that with all these auditors sometimes hacking off / embarrasing these big companies at somepoint they will keep complaining to the CAA whom will then look at the sub 250 g drones.
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.
Not suprised at the chaos, BUT I think EASA AND manufacturers twisting the prior rules to get a Mavic 3 into C1 is what has pushed it too far. How can the associated risk be the same between a Mini 3 Pro and a Mavic 3 given the latter is more than x3 the mass. The use of MTOM should have persisted accurately and consistently This would have put the Mavic 3 etc into C2 and I suspect we'd then have seen absolutely zero change across the board and just be waiting for the certification bodies to be up and running.
Weight limit for C1 has been 900 grams from the start.
It's just that certifying process was delayed and delayed and Mavic 3 (or Air 2/s) didn't come certified out of gate.
(speed limit is another factor for impact energy which is basis for risks)
@@tuunaes You misunderstand, the original mass limits was maximum Tack off Mass MTOM. That is the max the drone can lift including its own mass. What has been adopted is drone mass, this is where there is a difference I think between the indended approach and what has actually been adopted.
I wish there was a decent sub 500g option, as with a2cofc you can fly close to uninvolved people as long as you don’t overfly them, that's good enough for me.
Defo. This is the next target market spot for DJI to focus on as it would benefit all of Europe :)
Having bought the Mavic Pro prior to previous legislation changes then to be hit with new rules, its never been out the bag since. So glad i purchased the Mini 3 pro…
Well the CAA keeps up it's common name in the General Aviation community, now extended to the drone community CAA = Committee Against Aviation. I was looking at upgrading from my Mavic Mini 2 , now I'll not bother.
Sorry to hear the new ruling Ian. Hopefully things will change to the better again in the next couple of years. Cheers.
Oh, things will change next week probably the way they work...... CHeers Bob!
Well... This makes me extra glad I got the mini 3 Pro.. which I spent a good amount of time convincing myself to go for leading up to launch with the help of your channel. I do feel I need a refresher on what restrictions and limitations I have though.. I didn't insure it as I took out care refresh.. but liability insurance will help me in some occasions.. like for example a friend's wedding recently I flew it to get their shot after initially being asked for alsorts.. can you advise Ian?
The rules state you need liability insurance if you're flying for a client or commercially. Other than that, if you're using the Mini 3, then you're free to fly as long as the airspace isn't restricted and you're not over a crowd of people 👍🏻
Its a great drone, but how could they even justify it being in the A1 category, when the air 2S is much lighter. That's one heavy drone to potentially come down in a city center.
Makes no sense at all. In fact, the change is unreasonable and deserves to be heard in a court of law.
Thanks for the heads up again Ian , very disappointed with the way the CAA have back tracked typical useless government department the drone companies try to accommodated and they move the goal post 😒
Thanks Karen. Hopefully no movement on the 250gm drone rules for your Mini 3 Pro 👍🏻👍🏻
making my mini3 pro even more worth owning
This is a kick in the teeth for UK Drone flyers.
Annoying isn't it! 😐
The IR was always ambiguous and the potential use of the C1 EU certified classic was using that ambiguity as a loophole. I don’t think any reasonable person should have expected that the UK would accept an EU approval. The way out of this is for TUV (UK) to become the approving/certifying body. Chances are there are no differences in the type testing and we may find it gets signed off sooner than later. We can hope.
The issue is that Drone manufacturers are not going to make a special UK specific drone if CAA go off at some crazy tangent. The UK Recreational Craft Directive 2017 is causing havoc in the UK boat market and pushed prices up 20 to 30% for no benefit to the customer at all. Just because the Government have decided not to allow the CE mark. Government are cretins with no understanding of manufacturing cost. We will see EU and US get better drones while we make do with sycamore seeds.
@@Sailing_Antrice another Brexit benefit😢
BTW the gov have just postponed derecognition of the CE mark for another year on general products. Not sure how drones in particular are affected.
That's terrible news 👍🏻 Thanks for the info
Very sad. Hopefully in a couple of years there will be another u-turn. I have held off on buying more drones for now. My Mavic Mini will eventually be joined by another mini drone. My Air 2 is quite frankly the perfect go to drone for filming most of my videos which are nearly always in the countryside. I have a Poweregg X Wizard in case it rains which I mostly use as an extra tripod mounted remote control camera using wifi. I plan to buy a Phantom 4Plus or Obsidian for country use. Big, stable and can be seen further away by line of sight.
I have an old Pantom 3 Advanced bought second hand but the images have lines on and previous owner left nd filters on, which hasn't cured it. Is that a camera or circuit board issue...anyone?
Anyway, Pantom 4 aside my drones are good enough I don't feel pressured to upgrade yet. I shall watch and wait
All so the Secretary of State for Transport can get a pat on the back for ditching something with 'EU' written on it. Still, at least we can still fly our Mavic 3s in those 'sunlit uplands', eh? 😕
Nothing to do with leaving the EU! FFS!!! We don't need the EU to make laws for us! We need to kick the arse of the morons in Government. The CAA have always been against aviation in this country.
I’d like to know the DfT reasoning why were so different to Europe. I’d also like to know how much public money is spent on staff to come up with their decisions.
Because anything considered EU by the present criminally corrupt government cannot possibly be seen as a good thing, therefore must do the opposite.
It's because so may people can't fly them safely. Little rich kids buying large drones and being a nuisance or dangerous is why the category is being targeted.
A 250g quadcopter is unlikely to cause damage to buildings or infrastructure if it hits it. However a 500g or above unit could damage a railway electrical power supply
Brilliant explanation again Ian,,, & how many people will actually abide by or just understand these rules? And it no doubt will not be Policed unless an accident happens . I'll stick with my Mini 2 & 3 Pro which more than do the job unless Tom Cruise gets in touch for his next feature film
Just backed my finger away from the BUY button - phew!!
Just taken delivery of a M3 Classic for mostly commercial reasons. Absolutely gutted, although the C1 rating did seem a bit to good to be true. It now won't have a resale value either. What are the chances of this being over turned ?
I have no wish to be “controversial” but I have no idea why people are so upset ? What difference does it make in practice ? I fail to see why an M3 is not “usable”or “saleable “. You must know more or see more than me ???
@@johndakin9466 The unique selling point of the Classic was that it could be flown in the Open A1 subcategory, without needing to maintain the highly impractical 50 metre horizontal separation distance from uninvolved people to be flown legally. I've done a few drone jobs now for surveyors and estate agents and that separation distance wasn't practical for any of them. I bought a DJI Mini 2 in order to fly in such places legally, which it has been perfectly good for. The Classic is obviously much higher spec, and it would have been very useful for people to be able to use it in the same type of places where large separation distances just aren't practical.
Once again, we lose out in the UK. There's absolutely no good reason for the CAA to do this, particularly after they had originally committed to following the new regs.
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I've had several drones and I have sold them all now that I have the DJI Mini 3 Pro. It's an outstanding drone without the flying rules drama providing you don't use the bigger battery.
Is it same with mini2?
Me too, including the original Inspire, which was like flying a chinook (ua-cam.com/video/I3clg51tiZI/v-deo.html). But I think this debate will soon become irrelevant because soon they'll be able to cram full crash avoidance sensors, a 2hr flight time and a Hasselblad 16-300mm zoom into something that weighs no more than a slice of bread.
@@jjs3287 So do I!
this is the first update in weeks i'm hearing of the on going caa decision, and it looks like we have it... typical nanny state Britain. over regulate a non existent problem. i ordered a mavic 3 classic last week and it's due to be shipped in 4 days from dji on a back order. i'm going to cancel it today. i sold my air 2s on ebay last week too as the writing was on the wall so got rid before January 1st 2023. i am beyond pissed off. within months of the new regs coming into law, thy pull this! looks like i'm sticking to the mini 3 but it's little 12mp camera just isnt up to the task on low light environments and i like to shoot sunset photos for canvas wall arts.
i'm just sick of being under the thumb of these very unreasonable, uncompromising people. younger me would have risked flying it anyway and kept the classic, but older me wont risk the 1000 quid fine, the drone being confiscated, and flyer id being revoked if you get caught. and it seems coppers are much more aware of drone rules now compared to a few years ago so the chances are much higher of them asking to land it and see it etc when out and about. i'm so gutted
I can't really afford a Mavic 3 Classic right now, so I'm selfishly a bit relieved that my A2 Transitional permissions as an A2 CofC holder and also a sub-250g drone are still the best I can do for the time being. Sorry to everybody who has been let down by this announcement though!
Might sound like a silly question but what does this mean for people flying DJI mavic 2 pro?
So how do the emergency services stand with their use following the investment and training put into drone use?
Typical UK government making it hard work for drone operators yet again. Can't just let people go out and have fun flying responsibly 🤷🏻♂
Thanks to Brexit the CAA can do whatever they see fit.😑
Yh but what actually counts as the countryside
Yeah well, there are drone operators out there who don't fly responsibly, so that's why rules are strict.
My Mavic has been sat in the cupboard for two years. It may be thrown in the bin when we have the next spring clean.
It's not government it's the bigger drone companies pushing regulation to monopolies.
This isn't about drone operators, it's Brexit government rejecting ALL foreign product registration markings. CE right across the board from consumer electronics to meat exports, all screwed.
I’m using 3, all for different jobs based on restrictions, not everyone has that luxury. It’s very disappointing, and I feel let down by the UK CAA and DfT, like they’ve just pulled the rug from under us.
My Mavic 3 is my favourite drone, and I would love to be able to just fly it without going through all the planning for the specific category, even at that, still stuck with 30m separation on take off/landing, which isn’t easily achieved.
Air 2S is going to be sold, as I can’t get any advantage with it over the M3. My Mini 3 Pro is probably the most important drone I have now, which is a terrible shame, as it’s lightweight makes wind decisions even more important.
Generally pissed off, and sometimes feel like chucking it in altogether.
Anyway, your videos are always brilliant, informative and very helpful, thanks again.
Best and most constructive comment yet. I can’t agree with you more on that one. I’d love an Air 2 S btw.
@@rogerhargreaves2272 thank you. The Air 2S is amazing, I only got the Mavic 3 for it’s variable aperture and long zoom for some jobs. But in reality, the 2S is a perfect package. Got it up on eBay now :)
@@CJW-Media Nice one. Thank you for taking your time to reply. 😀👍
Good points and thanks for the good words ,👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Unfortunately most of the countryside around me here in Devon is Dartmoor National Park... in which drones are banned. Well - I say banned, banned from taking off or landing from. I'm a full size pilot too, and see nothing about any prohibited zones on my latest CAA 250k aircharts, so at least still fair game to fly over in my informed opinion :-)
If they allow children and motorbikes and lorries, then drones are probably the least of the issues.......
Hi Ian, great video as ever. I've been reading about Article 16, not fully au fait with it, but how will it be affected by the CAA announcement?
It won't be as far as I can tell, as Article 16 hangs on the weight, not C classifications. 👍🏻
I can't afford the Mavic 3 classic, so will stick with my Mini 2 that is allowed to fly pretty much anywhere!
Spot on :)
Nice update Ian, it’s poor all round I believe. Extend the legacy no issue but still make provisions for the C1 marked
Cheers Gavin. Spot on.....! Hope you're still enjoying yours now! :)
@@IaninLondon for now it seems mate! To be honest despite the markings I don’t feel comfortable flying larger drones in built up areas anyway but it limits the audience somewhat !
Yep. I find when flying in towns, people near me seem to view the Mini 3 Pro as a toy and don't care. Which is exactly how I like it :)
Best explaination ive read, look like ill be buy the mini 3 pro
Ian it maybe that the CAA rationalises the C classifications so there are fewer. Having come from PfCO to A2 C of C I do currently feel let down by this decision. However my experience of the CAA is that they will come up with better way forward for us although how this would be received in the EU would be interesting if not challenging for both legislative bodies.
Oh, I fully agree on that; I hope they do rationalise and simplify as it's still far too complicated. But it's a very poor way to communicate things and this could have been handled better......
To be honest I'm surprised the classic was even C1 makes s mockery out of mini3pro owners
Same.
Anyone with an interest in drones or an operator needs to write to the CAA, DfT and their MP to question this decision. Complete lack of joined up thinking.
thank god i live in rural west wales where there are more sheep and mountains than people this will not stop me from buying my mavic 3 classic some of the scenery round hear taken by a drone will be something to desire
Shame, I was personally looking forward to the 5 meter rule for A2 License holders, but looks like that's gone for a burton as well now 🤷♂️
The bit that frustrates me is that I specifically went to the caa website last week, downloaded there info on C class drones..read the permissions, Purchased a Mavic 3 classic as being disabled it allows me to fly from my garden.. And 7 days later im screwed, and 2 grand down. ( fly more kit too)
Quite unbelievable...
This is what's so annoying. I really do feel for you fella....
@@IaninLondon thanks Ian
Fuck em, and continue to fly it from your garden!
@@ptaylor5014 if i could survive a week inside i might.. But my health ain't great :) but I understand the sentiment mate..
Sign up for the FPVUK membership and fly under article 16, problem solved. Happy flying 😊
I have the Mavic Mini so am I right in understanding this doesn't apply to me? also whilst I'm here, what insurance companies are there out there for drones in England? I had the Phantom 4 years ago which was great, but all these laws were frightening me and so I sold it and got the mini, but I'm still nervous about flying that now.
I have reached a complete state of confusion.. i have a mini 2 , I've been looking at something like the AIR2S , and was going to proceed with my A2 COC training, whilst it would and will be great for the experience, come a few weeks time am right in saying i could have just wasted £100-00 .. as i still cant fly unless i go sit up exmoor in the sticks?
Any help would be great as I'm losing my marbles trying to do the right thing...
As you say, Ian, a very disappointing chain of events. It would be wonderful if people who make laws could use common sense and reasoned thought in making their decisions. Cheers from Wisconsin
Common sense and reasoned thought are not in fashion at the moment , sorry.
If more people used common sense and reasoned thought, there wouldn't be the need for so much regulation in the first place. It's easy to see these things only from only one point of view, eg as a drone pilot, but there are others that are equally as valid. If you think it's easy to just come up with new laws, go to a law library and look at a few statutes to see how complicated they are. Highly qualified lawyers spend a lot of time on the wording of statutes, trying to make them precise, so there aren't any loopholes and they don't contradict existing laws.
@@another3997 Plus they will have various national security issues regarding rouge drones that they can't discuss , must be complicated.
Well slightly glad I did my A2 CoC because it looked like it was gonna be pointless. I'm just glad I hadn't pulled the trigger on the M3C which I was about to do. Do we ever get a break in this country? 2 years of C rating this and that and then this! bloody infuriating! I will stick with my Air2 S, mini 2 and Parrot anafi for a while longer
@ChriS CarLyLe
With A2 CofC you can fly in a built up area but must keep the 50m separation distance from uninvolved people horizontally with say the mavic 3, with a sub 500g drone you can fly with no separation just not deliberately over uninvolved people. Having said that article 16 flying as a member of a club like FPVUK gives more freedoms than this however no commercial flying, no automated flight and do a quick risk assessment check out the differences for A2 COC and Artical 16
Ian has an excellent video that explains it much better than I can
The mini 3 pro is now king of the Mavic series with this news,that's made my choice a whole lot easier,many thanks.
I'm so glad I bought the Mini 3 Pro now! Phew.
To a certain degree it really should've been expected. Since Brexit, you now have 2 sovereign states and even tho the regulations were agreed upon in principle by all EU states (when the UK was a part of the EU), the UK/EU divorce wasn't amicable so it's inderstandable that no government wants to be a party of the other. But, it's the little man that is screwed over, the answer might be as simple as petitioning the CAA and DfT but we are the ones who pay in the end
Fair point, but the EASA-based rules specifically allowed individual countries to add their own additional restrictions and changes. The don't have to ignore the C marks.... just extend the Transition period and change the rules when they have a viable alternative.
@@IaninLondon but that's logical. And when has a government or government department ever been logical
UK could still have adopted them if they wanted - it's like NZ make use of CE approval for medical products rather than redo the conformance process themselves.
It appears they have just copy/pasted big chunks of legislation over, but someone didn't proofread it properly and there are now several contradictions. I think they have realised this and are now backtracking to clean it up.
@@brian7android985 They had no choice but to just copy paste the EU legislation. To change it they have to understand all its implications then decided what they want to change. Changing regulations takes time in parliament unless you want the government to make law with out the involvement of MPs.
Lets imagine that there is a EU regulation that states that the blades used on drones should be made with a certain material, with certain properties and testing. What new materials should be allowed, how should the properties and testing change.
The government is currently legislating to remove all the copy pasted EU regulations without looking to see what the implications of there removal all. It could be that in two years there will be know regulations about many products.
Maybe it's the DoT, not CAA, who have decided this ☹
Anyone suspect interference from people who don’t like the transparency drones bring ?
Police perhaps 😂
Bad form on their part! I'm having other issues but with dji! I have a mini 3 pro and can't get the drone to connect to the RC!
I have already sent one drone back and the new one won't take off with my Google Android phone?
I keep on getting the 40021 error message does anybody have any advice?
I heard there were problems in September with the mini 3 pro is this still an ongoing problem, does anybody know?
I have issues reading paperwork, i have a Mavic mini, 249g, can someone tell me where i can fly it?
As I commented on Sean’s video it’s an absolute farce, extend the transitional but retain the class markings until the new regulations are agreed whether that be mtom or other the update at the end of November better bring better news this debacle yet again will lead to more illegal flying resulting in further limitations for those trying to follow the legislation.
Spot on.....
Well said Ian mate and great video.
This to me is a funny option that CAA has decided to do. We as drone pilots respect everything we do, and stand by what we are told by CAA and fly safe.
Now, lets look at our ground level, death traps we call Cars, motorbikes. These are driven by UNLICENCED drivers, or driven by car thief's that kill on the roads and our Police take chase etc..
We in the Air are just enjoying what we do as a hobby and should not in any shape or form have to be pushed out of a door after sitting tests to fly and fly with caution.
Again, our ground Police are chasing killer drivers daily and many in prison... God, I could go on about this but better not.
True points Rich. Frustrating ain't it....😖
believe me, if dji was american company, there will be a lot less bs about this.
To be fair stealing cars is, er, discouraged, legally speaking :) , and drivers are meant to get licenses. Again not doing so is law-breaking. But that works because of the balance of penalty to benefit from having a license.
For drone users it seems the CAA are attempting to wipe out any benefit from having the proper paperwork, which can't help encourage responsible flying.
Plus the long term problem that - if the CAA start tweaking regulations so our relatively insignificantly little island has unique ones - the divergence will discourage new products from coming here at all - and certainly not quickly. Or perhaps we'll end up with scenarios like the European region (including UK) Mavic 3 Pro being deprived of the meatier battery.
Plus I really don't like the impression given that these rules are being tweaked with for the sake of divergence - agencies asked to create different rules from the EU to justify Brexit. Whatever your views on that, this seems an area of law that works better when it covers a larger area (perhaps, if we sort that out, our paperwork could work in the EU again...)
Sorry, missed your little reply... Could you type again Please.
Thanks Ian
So in a couple of years the the powers that be will change the rules yet again. To much uncertainty
Do I need the A2 CofC with the Mavic 3 classic even if I'm only going to use it in the countryside etc? I don't have any plans to use it I'm a congested area so I wanted to double check first. Thanks 👍🏻
Nope; open country means no A2COFC needed. 👍🏻
@@IaninLondon Thanks Ian
Looks like I'll stick with my aging Mavic Pro then
Me too. Next drone, if I bother, will have to be a sub 250g jobby.
It's a joke and will lead to more people bending the rules
Thanks for highlighting the statement from the CAA.
They obviously find the drone community a real pain in the arse compared to airlines, pilots,aircraft maintenance and manufacturers.
They are treating us all as if we the type of people who deliberately fly where they shouldn’t and so must be kept in our boxes!
I actually thought there was some respect from them when they asked our opinion going forward but that was clearly a PR tick box exercise.
I'm not so sure; I think they genuinely want to improve things but have suffered from poor communication this time and perhaps not realised the full impact of this. I am the eternal optimist..
I'm a former helicopter pilot. They treat pilots the same, we use to say CAA stood for Cancel All Aviation!
Hi Ian would there be any chance you could do an update to this film now we are 6 months on. Have you had any news from the CAA. Cheers.
Sadly, nothing better to report; they did indeed abandon the C labelling system, and also added a new hopelessly restrictive guidance on VLOS.... The CAA are not really flavour of the month with most drone users these days....
Firstly I agree that the information is confusing and the CAA appear to be back tracking. However, as a mini 2 pilot that flies when his drone App is not offering Land only 😭😭, I think the move away from heavier drones over and above members of the public is perhaps not a bad thing. The mini 2 and mini 3 are more than capable drones tbh and will do anything and everything that the plus 250g drones will do. I am sure in the future the CAA will start to put restrictions on the sub 250 gram drones 😔😔 And this is more likely to happen when you have drone fliers like DJ Audits winding up businesses with their "I am gonna fly over the top of your business and there is nothing that you can do about it" attitude 😠😠 This will signal the end for people like me that live in a residential area.
That’s not true.. there’s a huge difference between the mini series and the mavic series with how capable they are
I said the same to DJ Audits himself, will be folks like him that will be responsible for any further restrictions that come to sub 250g drones.
dude, you cant compare the mini 3 pro camera to a air 2s or mavic 3/classic camera, especially the mavic 3. i do photos and the mini 3 with it's tiny sensor is awful in certain situations
@@TravelByRail I think as far as image and video comparison goes you have got to have a keen eye to spot the difference between these drones. They all have roughly the same flying time. The main difference is the obstacle avoidance. But I would say that if you require avoidance then you are not putting enough distance between yourself and objects. Probably fair to say that 99.9 percent of drone video is recorded between 50 and 120 metres where you don't need it. I completely understand where people have invested money to then hear this news. But I would say the bigger and heavier the drone the more restricted it should. I understand that won't be a popular comment 👍👍
@@wacman completely agree. The guy is an absolute menace. There is another guy that does a similar thing flying over police stations and prisons. It really annoys me. 😠😠
Ian, I fly PPL at Manchester Barton. I also enjoy flying my drone. The CAA cannot control drones because they can be purchased by anybody from Currys PC World, Argos, and many other retailers who only want to make a sale. Many of these buyers will not be interested in learning what they can and can't do or studying and passing a drone qualification. The irresponsible always want a free ride and are not bothered if they wreck it for others. The CAA will know this.
Does this mean the a2 cofc course will now work after January 2023 as I done mine last year it has 5 years I was told after this year it’s pointless to have but wondering if it will still allow me in the a2 catergory with the mavic 3 classic instead of a3
It will indeed allow you A2, keeping 50m away from people....👍🏻
so glad i sold all my DJI drones and moved on to another hobby...crap that i had to do this but i saw this coming thanks to my son who works for a drone security company that covers most UK airports. He heard about this months ago through his work...no surprising considering he sees about 20 drones a month fly within a few 100 yards of uk airport runways .yes these are also DJI drones ..so much for geofencing cos people have found a way around it
Hi Ian, iv always said you can rely on people to be unreliable and the CAA and others have proved me right yet AGAIN 🧐😏.
Great update as always Ian, shocking yet again yet more misery of being out of the EU....lots other moans on this but overall we have taken one right where the sun don't shine!
Ian great video as usual, how does Article 16 fit with the new legislation and drones over 250g? Any advice is appreciated.
Unchanged, as Art 16 made no reference to C markings; just the weight. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank the lord ... not for CAA but for you Ian as my M 3 Classic was due to be dispatched next week - just hit CANCEL !
Sad though!
Noooo!
I think the CAA have an agenda somewhere and there preference is not to own a drone at all. So by continually changing the goal posts it allows a form of stalemate to exist. Its a typically British mess. All the best Ian. M