People couldn't care less that you're spending money on mobile games, it's the fact you're spending THEIR money on them, while lying to their faces that it's going towards taxes and bills.
THE Guru Larry?! In a Memology 101 Comment Section?! Color me surprised, because I would never thought I would see the day. But, big ups to you and your work ethic sir.
He somehow thought the lies were excusable because he didn't want his detractors to win. Wasting hard earned money of the donators on a mobile game when they thought it was to help pay bills
And even admitting to spending 100k on a mobile doesn't fix things. He's still a sad addict that resorted to scamming his audience instead of getting help to quit. He still lied about his bankruptcy. He lied about or to his wife about not playing mobile games anymore. He still made endless drama content out of it to fuel his need to talk crap on the internet. He just doesn't get that detractors exist because the real DPS is an awful person and deserves to be called out. Nothing will change until he actually does.
He's a con artist he has always been throughout his life. Phil will never change and I'm here to laugh over and over at his blatant lies and misery pulling sweaty jpegs
i dont think phil ever heard of that boy that cried wolf.... no one believed him. and now that people pressured him nonstop he is like: ok so i cried wolf for shits and giggles. who gives a fuck. im honest now tho. if anyone believes his ass now it tells how bricked his ''fans'' are
Phil just had a "Podcast" with stuttering Craig and Phil was being disrespectful to him especially towards the end of the stream (I haven't watched all of it so I don't want to type misinformation.) I feel like the podcast was for having his revenge.
IKR? Just come completely clean, it's much easier than trying to keep all these lies in order. His dents still threw money at him at the end anyway, some of them said they don't care, or he didn't kill anyone. Not sure if those were the new dents though, the long term audience might feel different. He is still just telling a half truth, instead of just getting it all out. I highly doubt that he sold anything. There's a Reddit thread that I found from three years ago that said you couldn't sell Scopely accounts anymore.
@@-suphurI don't think it's impossible to sell your account, but knowing Phil, he wouldn't be able to figure it out without being scammed out of it. Phil can't even use Google properly, but he is selling his account through a third party website?
He even changed his story during this stream. Earlier he said that the detractors are way off about what the downfromtherafters account is spending on the game and that it's heavily exaggerated. Then he says that the account isn't even his anymore. Uhh which is it Phil? How would you know if the amount that is being spent is accurate or not if it's not even your account anymore?
Typical behaviour of a pathological liar. As you get exposed, slowly admit to partial fault but not not the whole truth to try and come off as honest. He does it all the time
Now he needs to call the IRS, and let them know that he committed bankruptcy and tax fraud. Then, call the police, and let them know that he is guilty of misappropriation of funds.
Hahaha the whole "I sold the account saga" makes zero sense. Why the f''k would he keep this a secret? It makes no sense and WHY would he then try to prove to StutteringCraig he wasn't that account? The worst liar in the world people! Round of applauds please!
If he sold that account he might say he didn't want to make it known because selling accounts isn't allowed, but then why didn't he show his new account to Craig? Or even explain the entire situation to a few people so that when it became public some actually trustworthy individuals would've come forward saying "we knew and can confirm"? Also, if DownFromTheRafters doesn't get banned now that "the account is known to have been sold" it will simply mean that it is just him and all of this has been a lie.
1) on one of his wwe champions streams he admitted having a 7 year old account that he wouldn’t show 2) he still spends like a crackhead on his new account so he can’t deny he ever quit his addiction 3) his bank statements line up with purchases from down from the rafters and are littered with insane microtransaction I mean you have to be dumber than dsp to believe his lies
"Here's the thing, I lied, I've already admitted this, so many times before, okay, but I lied. So I'm fessing up to all of you now, even though you won't believe me. I'm telling the truth now. You see, I was lying, but actually I wasn't! Oh, the proof? Well actually I don't have to show any because you won't believe it anyway. I wasn't lying and everybody blew it out of proportion. They made such a big deal out of the lie that I just had to lie! The evidence I'm telling the truth is there, but the evidence that I'm lying is explained by saying I lied. I didn't do anything wrong. I did everything correct. Just being hanest."
All those years of DSP insisting he was the only honest, transparent, genuine mature adult human being streamer content creator on all of the platforms. All those years of DSP insisting that he was the only one with integrity, that he would never lie to his fans, that he was always telling the truth and that was why he deserved their money. All those years of DSP lying with a grin, wasting people's money so he could justify begging for more.
He would've been better off just confessing to being an addict, at least then he could pull the sympathy card and tie in with his "redemption arc" but instead he added more to his web of lies
This point was brought up during the side scrollers interview and yea i agree. This all would be over and he would be more respected by everyone if he just admitted it, showed remorse and committed himself to changing. The issue is he doesnt want to stop playing it and i dont think he feels bad at all.
@@myownego Not sure how true this is but someone was saying in the stream chat there's a statute of limitations that has passed but that could be complete bs?
Please don’t say “We won”. Most of us are not out to win anything or fighting to beat him, that makes him sound right when he talks smack. We are just simply enjoying the ride.
@@Cookieboy70 And I'm sure you did a poll on every detractors to be able to say that, naturally, you can't be speaking for yourself only when saying "most of us", that would never happen, no no no ...
"I track all of my expenses, some of them are personal, some of them business, 'I don't know'." Yaaaaaa.....someone that keeps track of those things doesn't say stuff like that.
He's outright said he doesn't track his finances cos it's too hard at multiple points. This is just another outright lie that can be disproven by his own words
Exactly. Is a small world. This "third party business" just so happened to sell the account to the staunchiest DSP fan who cannot divert his attention while Pigroach is streamig for even a second and thus, cannot play on his phone. Not even Derich was as loyal as DownfromtheRafters.
and that account also just so happens to spend close to how much money he gets from tips and superchats, and has increased periods of spending whenever dsp gets a boost yeah no, he's established himself in what in his mind seems like the ideal position where he can neither prove nor disprove that it is still his account, pretending it's outside of his control
It's still him. At the end of his recent react, he said he didn't show the side scrollers he was down from the rafters was because he sold his account by then....but if he has a different main account that is not down from the rafters....why didn't he show Craig this new account that wasn't down from the rafters? It's because he still uses that account.....Habitual liar man....I hate it.
His lies have lies. This is like catching a kid eating a whole cake then watching as he wipes his mouth poorly looks right at you and goes - it was the dog!
He had to sell his WWE Champions account to protect his family 😂 We need a hours long montage of him calling people conspiracy theorists and mentally ill for knowing that he was DownFromTheRafters.
@@larsnootbaarfann Yeah. He had no choice but to admit to being DownFromTheRafters since the discord ID was concrete evidence. But now he's making up more lies to cover up past lies lol
larsnootbaarfann except it isn’t brilliant because anyone with a brain can see through it and easily expose it. For example if you look at his first or second livestream of wwe champions somewhere in that mess of a so called boring stream he says he has a 7 year old account he won’t show, then we have the fact that he still spends like a crackhead on his new account- meaning there’s no way he would’ve let go that account with all the money spent and finally the final nail in the coffin his own leaked bank statements line up with the dates and amounts being spent on downfrontherafters all a coincidence and definitely no contradictions I’m sure 🙄
@@SecretPaints you’re right. But it’s brilliant in the head of DSP. Plus all know DSP is too lazy to even go through the process of selling a mobile game account anyway.
So he lied to protect himself from trolls?? And he still has not said how much he spent on it or apologised to his dents for begging at the same time as blowing their money on this game No apology for aggressively banning fans and trolls that brought this up over the years.
He actually doesn't get that the problem is not that he spends thousands on nonsense, the problem is that he begs for his bills the next day. If you can afford to spend thousands on anything you should be able to do it, but sucking your viewers dry with lies means you can't afford it.
Exactly. I collect action figures, and I afford it working my day job. At no point have I turned to friends and family begging for money with a claim I need the money to fix my home or car, only to drop it on a wave of figures. If Phil didn't make his streams about giving him money to fix his shower/kitchen, afford bills, afford mortgage etc. and then waste it, no one would care.
100% this. Anybody who actually cares that he's playing WWE Champions are missing the point. It's not the fact he plays it, it's the fact he dumps hundreds to thousands on the game whilst also crying poor. He expects people to pay for his addiction whilst also paying for his bills.
@@cherrybombaplomb4319 he thinks he can slip a false narrative passed his viewers. He thinks if he tells half truths that they will buy everything which is why he prefaced the entire spiel with "people with normal functioning brains will believe me"
Craig from side scrollers didn’t read his Email! DSP wrote that said there was a 50/50 chance that he would send Craig his account name. Then side scrollers made an episode accusing him of being a liar. Phil was so upset he didn’t tell Craig he lied. It’s all Craig’s fault. 😆 He certainly has a talent for finding a way to be the victim.
"I never played the game" "I played it for a little bit but I stopped" "I played but didn't spend money" "I've played the game for seven years" "I've spent lots of money on the game" ".....wait shit that makes me look bad" "That WAS my account but I sold it so it's not my account anymore" JFC Phil, just goddamn own the fact that you're addicted to a mobile gacha game. The fact that people still give this man any amount of money is dented as hell. Go get a real job Philbert. Not that he ever would or see this.
In another five years he'll admit that DownFromTheRafters was actually still his account right now in 2024 but will say that "by now" in 2029 it had really really been sold.
@@angry_zergling 2029: I sold the account BUT it was to a fan and they let me keep the login credentials and said it was ok if I kept playing it if I want so I did
He also got caught playing it after he "sold" the account and knew the UI way too well on his stream to not be a constant player. This just made him look worse.
@@lizzaroonot really. IF it’s true, or if it’s not it really doesn’t matter… he already admitted he’s still played it since selling the account. So of course he’d know the UI even after “selling” the account.
The key detail is DownfromtheRafters is still only active when Pigroach is not streaming. Almost like the owner of the account physically cannot play while Pigroach is doing something else on camera.
On one of his wwe champions streams he also admitted to having a 7 year old account, not to mention he’s still spending like a crackhead on the new one- showing he never kicked the habit.
As someone said on Doody's video. Report DownFromTheRafters to Scopely, selling an account is breaking TOS. If the account gets banned, we should see, if DSP really sold it.
I know exactly what he'll do. He'll tell us that he got an email from the person who bought his account and was told in extreme detail how the account was banned. Then dsp can rage at the trolls for screwing with him, but pretend he's doing it to avenge an innocent person who has nothing to do with him.
So that huge rage-fit he had with Adam Crigler when Sidescrollers called him out over this SPECIFIC ISSUE was *completely unnecessary?!* this guy is a mess
@@unbearifiedbear1885in that scenario you would as it part of your business. However gambling with not on tape would be considered personal if done as entertainment.
@@unbearifiedbear1885 sadly you probably could, many content creators are this scummy about claiming it all in taxes as soon as you are monetized and say you do this for a living. I've watched other channels where the person will go on a trip and openly admit they are just making a video about it so they can write it off. Wings used to openly talk about the games and stuff he writes off on taxes. They all do it. So not only is it making a living getting donations from other people, a lot of what they do end up buying isn't really even costing them anything.
He flung insults at people who proved this to be true and still lied in the face of facts but I guess he just can't ignore it any longer. Good for him I guess since his dents will NEVER walk away unless he bans them himself.
lmao I reported him as well about an hour ago, video link and time stamps in email with his admission. Nothing will happen, he is scopelys biggest whales but its fun.
He didn’t sell it, but everyone should report him to them with the clip. Because if they did ban it he would go insane and have a breakdown knowing that he lost his big spending account and can’t even rant about it- after his new set of lies.
This admission is based purely on how wrong it felt to spend money on a burner account. He's admitting it, and will follow this up with "sticking it to the trolls" by gambling on his main account. You can't lie, he's the classiest, most supreme gentleman.
Exactly, he's only doing this so he can gamble on his main on stream instead. It must have burned a hole through his mental spending that money on another acc when he could be gunning for rank 1 on main with that money
But if he wants to use his main, why bother making up the "I sold it" lie. Unless it's a set up for "the guy sold me the acc back", I can't see him ever using his down from the rafters account
And how strange that his bank statements keep showing micro transactions. This guy is so fucking dumb and delusional that he thinks everyone is as stupid as him.
If this is true then the account “DownFromTheRafters” needs to be reported as buying/selling an account is against ToS..It would be a shame if WWEC found out about this
@@EmeryLaGreenexcept they wouldn’t because if he did sell the account, they’ve spent so much money on the game since that time that they really wouldn’t give a shit. They’d lose out on a whale.
@@cacanaynay Not saying it will be in this case but gacha games sometimes take it seriously as in 99.9% of cases buying an account is much cheaper than gambling "legitially" for the same amount of in game "loot". It cuts into their profit and hurt them financially.
Joon removed any doubt to the point where he finally had to admit it. Imagine lying this much while being Phil and still having a single person support you.
Man, Philbert continues to just felt all over the detractors. Today he got us by admitting something everyone has known for 7 years. Good job there buddy.
This. Seriously it’s not even a joke anymore. He has admitted to lying to them for years about the money he obtained from them with the “rallies” for his taxes and stuff. It was all done in bad faith. There is no doubt anymore. His supporters need to desert him in mass, and if they STILL support him, then they really do need intervention. DSP is a financial predator at this point, and he needs to be treated as such.
im looking already into it how to report it as a RWT sold account from this video if i can. showing proof he sold it and he owned it. i swear to god if he goes: U STUPID KIDS GOT MY WWE BANNED it will be glorious.
“People that can’t accept the fa-the answer” Got you. He caught himself and can’t say his answer is the truth, so he couldn’t say they were ever facts. “Answer” however is perfectly fine because it doesn’t imply truth.
Bro been begging for years saying he's living pay check to pay check but in reality he's been dropping thousands of dollars on a mobile game off screen 😂😂😂
I don't think he realises that it was obvious he was lying, then proven he was lying, while for years claiming to be unable to pay bills and potentially losing the house. That's why he's so hated. HOW DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT???
I knew he was lying. Everyone KNEW that he was lying. It really piss me off that he thought it was not a big of a deal and lied to his viewers. He still sounds like its just a small mistake.
The casio arc has been wild hes admitting to stuff left and right. I mean yeah most of us knew but his whole brand was denying it. I wonder how his dents are handling all this.
Narcisssits are extremely easy to manipulate, pathological liars are that way due to not living completely in reality and being influenced easily by magical thinking, when PPP says to Phil that admitting he plays WWE Champions would be based Phil ends up convincing himself that is true.
"My fans don't care how I spend my money" - but he KEEPS asking them for MORE MONEY. "One stupid little thing they got me on" - but it was literally tied to his bankruptcy, he CLAIMED IT WAS BUSINESS EXPENSES, when it was literally NOT ASSOCIATED TO HIS BUSINESS. "I admit it was stupid and bad" - but he KEEPS doing it. "I can't tell you times of anything in my head, I don't track it" - Yet he claims he knows to the date conversations he had with random people to discredit Joon. "I don't even know what it is, I don't track it" - Typical DSP. He literally throws money away the moment he gets it. "I can't remember what it was, I don't track detractor shit, but I KNOW that they made a fake conversation and it involved doxxing! Then he came to me!" - Right...yet another thing that he has no evidence, no data, nothing on, but he wants people to believe, and it conveniently becomes another pity story. "I explained the time and everything! They are soooooo dumb! They fucked it up!" - Yet he claims that there is no way at all to change names in the game. Now he is trying to suggest he is the first person to ever change his name, but it was the game devs that got everything wrong. "No one seems to have picked up on it" - No, more like no one cares, because everyone already knew you had dumped over 50k USD into this game, and THAT was the point. Not your sob stories, not your stupid convoluted drama, it is the fact that you are financially irresponsible and morally bankrupt. It will NEVER go away, because you literally committed bankruptcy fraud with it.
No no no, you didn't pay attention, he said he's not lying anymore. Please listen carefully, he admitted he has been lying for years, that's why you can trust he's not lying this time.
It's sad to think this is a man in his 40s and he's still acting like this. He never grew up. Constantly stuck in the 14 year old mindset where he has to spend money whenever he gets it and then lies about what he spends it on.
No dood, he lied for 16 years, but he's telling the truth NOW! There's no reason to not trust him now, he only lied for way over a decade about all sorts of things to protect his family!
This is the true karma and it just starts. The 40+ years of karma. God is fair and there is a consequence for every wrong doing. You need to pay what you have done wrong and I hope it won't be easy this time.
Beliefs and religions aside, isn't "karma" a concept in non-Abrahamic religions...? Why would a "Christian" or "Catholic" believe in what is basically heresy and pagan beliefs.
@@Abedeuss depends to many karma means what comes around goes around, ie how you act will have repercussions which is not heretical to Abrahamic religions . However if you are meaning it in the strict Hindu sense that we are reincarnated beings then obviously it an issue The vortex is very very real out hear
The dude lied for years, he raged and banned people, he punished dents and detractors for calling him out for his shit. he still does not own it, he is downplaying everything. Trying to justify it, its pathetic.
If he is claiming "microtransactions" as a business expense, like he did say during that deposition with the judge, _that_ was fraud. He wasn't using that for any streams at the time, so it was just for his personal use.
He 100% claims them as business expenses. For the bankruptcy he had to list everything he spent money on during the 6 month or however long period and he never listed paying for mobile games, so they could only be hidden in the business expenses. There's lines for like electronics and hobbies and stuff like that so if he was playing mobile games for personal entertainment, they it would have been listed in the bankruptcy forms.
My favourite part was when Downfromtherafters shouted "IT'S DOWNFROMTHERAFTERIN' TIME!" and lied to his entire audience and spent their money on Hogan pulls.
Let me get this one for Phil. "Yes, those were my bank leaks, but that wasn't me spending the money. Remember when i told you all that I had to spend thousands of dollars because of identity theft? Well the hacker must have been a troll, because they spent a bunch of my money on WWE Champions to make me look bad." There you go Phil. This lie should do it for the dents.
And the saddest thing is, he's cried for years that he can't take time off work to spend with his wife, take her on a honeymoon, give her a decent birthday and other money woes.... yet here he is, proving where his money has really been going. I hope Kat divorces him.
He’s more than likely lying about that too, I’m sure he showers Kat with gifts, and more, while playing poor to his viewers. I’ll admit it, somehow he cultivated a base of idiots that’ll throw money at him regardless..
His biggest tell is looking away and he's telling us most of what he's said isn't true from his body language. Good for him on admitting some stuff though. Gotta throw a little truth in there to convince the lie.
He just admitted to bankrupcy fraud
Camera's been on the whole time.
@@Psycho-SsnakeHello
Get the IRS on the phone!
Just ask him to produce 1 month where he put 5k into his buissness , even the month he bought his pc , he didnt hit 5k in expenses .
and statue of limitations do not apply to taxes
People couldn't care less that you're spending money on mobile games, it's the fact you're spending THEIR money on them, while lying to their faces that it's going towards taxes and bills.
THE Guru Larry?! In a Memology 101 Comment Section?! Color me surprised, because I would never thought I would see the day. But, big ups to you and your work ethic sir.
Ello you
He somehow thought the lies were excusable because he didn't want his detractors to win. Wasting hard earned money of the donators on a mobile game when they thought it was to help pay bills
Id like to see him show us at least proof that he sold his account and for how much.
Thank you larry, also love ya
"I was lying to you guys all this time bit I swear THIS time I'm telling the truth"
And even admitting to spending 100k on a mobile doesn't fix things. He's still a sad addict that resorted to scamming his audience instead of getting help to quit. He still lied about his bankruptcy. He lied about or to his wife about not playing mobile games anymore. He still made endless drama content out of it to fuel his need to talk crap on the internet. He just doesn't get that detractors exist because the real DPS is an awful person and deserves to be called out. Nothing will change until he actually does.
"This time I'm telling the truth, but I'm not showing any proof"
He's a con artist he has always been throughout his life. Phil will never change and I'm here to laugh over and over at his blatant lies and misery pulling sweaty jpegs
exactly
i dont think phil ever heard of that boy that cried wolf.... no one believed him.
and now that people pressured him nonstop he is like: ok so i cried wolf for shits and giggles. who gives a fuck. im honest now tho.
if anyone believes his ass now it tells how bricked his ''fans'' are
APOLOGIZE to SideScrollers and detractors and dents when?!?
He's still lying though
He's never going to apologize, he's still playing the victim.
Phil just had a "Podcast" with stuttering Craig and Phil was being disrespectful to him especially towards the end of the stream (I haven't watched all of it so I don't want to type misinformation.) I feel like the podcast was for having his revenge.
@@BufuMeister kino casino really inflated his ego 😂
Considering he's still bashing detractors and pretending he doesn't watch their content? Never.
The typical DSP response of covering up a pile of lies with a bigger, more obscure lie that he will need to cover up in the future..
IKR? Just come completely clean, it's much easier than trying to keep all these lies in order.
His dents still threw money at him at the end anyway, some of them said they don't care, or he didn't kill anyone.
Not sure if those were the new dents though, the long term audience might feel different.
He is still just telling a half truth, instead of just getting it all out. I highly doubt that he sold anything.
There's a Reddit thread that I found from three years ago that said you couldn't sell Scopely accounts anymore.
@@-suphurI don't think it's impossible to sell your account, but knowing Phil, he wouldn't be able to figure it out without being scammed out of it. Phil can't even use Google properly, but he is selling his account through a third party website?
He even changed his story during this stream. Earlier he said that the detractors are way off about what the downfromtherafters account is spending on the game and that it's heavily exaggerated. Then he says that the account isn't even his anymore. Uhh which is it Phil? How would you know if the amount that is being spent is accurate or not if it's not even your account anymore?
@@ickyfist He has a tendency to contradict himself in the same breath sometimes.
Keeping track of these new set of lies is going to be a challenge.
Typical behaviour of a pathological liar. As you get exposed, slowly admit to partial fault but not not the whole truth to try and come off as honest. He does it all the time
The real downfromtherafters are the friends we made on the way
It's more like the money spent along the way.
Digital Hulk Hogan "Yeah Brother!", Digital Randy Savage "Ooooh yeah!", etc
Thats it @@alexmiller6955
@alexmiller6955 😂
*the paypigs
Joon the King broke this man.
Craig said it best during the SideScrollers interview "Either you're the most unlucky man who ever lived, or you're just a liar".
Now he needs to call the IRS, and let them know that he committed bankruptcy and tax fraud. Then, call the police, and let them know that he is guilty of misappropriation of funds.
Yup, and admit EXACTLY how much money he poured into WWE champions and how it could have improved his life situation if spent correctly.
@@alexmiller6955 I agree.
Phil scamming the financial system is the only good thing he's ever done.
@@xMidan Eh, I'm neutral on that, honestly.
This one goes straight to the FBI
So he sold his account long ago and let the purchaser get harassed by trolls for years? He didn't think through this lie at all.
Also it’s a coincidence that his bank statements are full of micro transactions doooood
I never thought I'd see the day
GRIFFITH!!
@@vulgardisplayofpink5668 we did it guys we defeated the gouthand
Where he admitted a lesser evil to conceal a greater one? I agree with you and I'm literally shahcked!
Hahaha the whole "I sold the account saga" makes zero sense. Why the f''k would he keep this a secret? It makes no sense and WHY would he then try to prove to StutteringCraig he wasn't that account? The worst liar in the world people! Round of applauds please!
"You see, I couldn't tell the truth because nobody would believe it! The evidence that I'm telling the truth now is that I'm telling you I lied!"
If he sold that account he might say he didn't want to make it known because selling accounts isn't allowed, but then why didn't he show his new account to Craig? Or even explain the entire situation to a few people so that when it became public some actually trustworthy individuals would've come forward saying "we knew and can confirm"? Also, if DownFromTheRafters doesn't get banned now that "the account is known to have been sold" it will simply mean that it is just him and all of this has been a lie.
1) on one of his wwe champions streams he admitted having a 7 year old account that he wouldn’t show 2) he still spends like a crackhead on his new account so he can’t deny he ever quit his addiction 3) his bank statements line up with purchases from down from the rafters and are littered with insane microtransaction I mean you have to be dumber than dsp to believe his lies
The Sidescrollers broke Phil, and Joon finished him off. Now all he has left if hoping his dents feed him for the rest of his pathetic life.
@@johns1625 DSPLogic at work again!😂
"Here's the thing, I lied, I've already admitted this, so many times before, okay, but I lied. So I'm fessing up to all of you now, even though you won't believe me. I'm telling the truth now. You see, I was lying, but actually I wasn't! Oh, the proof? Well actually I don't have to show any because you won't believe it anyway. I wasn't lying and everybody blew it out of proportion. They made such a big deal out of the lie that I just had to lie! The evidence I'm telling the truth is there, but the evidence that I'm lying is explained by saying I lied. I didn't do anything wrong. I did everything correct. Just being hanest."
All those years of DSP insisting he was the only honest, transparent, genuine mature adult human being streamer content creator on all of the platforms.
All those years of DSP insisting that he was the only one with integrity, that he would never lie to his fans, that he was always telling the truth and that was why he deserved their money.
All those years of DSP lying with a grin, wasting people's money so he could justify begging for more.
They need to make a sequel to Liar Lair with Phil as the main character.
Well, I guess pigler wouldn't mind if DownFromTheRafters was banned for violating Scopely TOS then.
He owes Craig and apology.
Once a liar, always a liar.
In his case, it's the habit of a lifetime
very useful intelligent comment
_"The trolls and detectors who were trying to lie about me finally found something true, so I denied it"_
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@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf
very useful intelligent comment 🤡🤖
very robust comment
Khet is literally downstairs crying.
She'll never leave him. She comes across low and beaten any time she's been on cam. What a sad situation.
DSP is literally up on the rafters begging
@@tungmiyaynusnbahls8936 she was the Raft all along
how original
No honeymoon
He would've been better off just confessing to being an addict, at least then he could pull the sympathy card and tie in with his "redemption arc" but instead he added more to his web of lies
Don’t give him any ideas
@@bertnbirdgaming4315 You're right, guarantee he's reading through the comments 😂
This point was brought up during the side scrollers interview and yea i agree. This all would be over and he would be more respected by everyone if he just admitted it, showed remorse and committed himself to changing. The issue is he doesnt want to stop playing it and i dont think he feels bad at all.
In terms of online reputation yes, but he'd also be admitting to bankruptcy fraud which can get him into huge trouble
@@myownego Not sure how true this is but someone was saying in the stream chat there's a statute of limitations that has passed but that could be complete bs?
WE WON
'won'? He's admitted a minor issue to conceal a major one, most likely.
@@whenpigsfly8178He didn't conceal anything, just admitted something we already knew then tripled down with new lies.
We won the moment he opened his mouth
Please don’t say “We won”. Most of us are not out to win anything or fighting to beat him, that makes him sound right when he talks smack. We are just simply enjoying the ride.
@@Cookieboy70 And I'm sure you did a poll on every detractors to be able to say that, naturally, you can't be speaking for yourself only when saying "most of us", that would never happen, no no no ...
"I track all of my expenses, some of them are personal, some of them business, 'I don't know'." Yaaaaaa.....someone that keeps track of those things doesn't say stuff like that.
He's outright said he doesn't track his finances cos it's too hard at multiple points. This is just another outright lie that can be disproven by his own words
He sold the downfromtherafters account and it just happens that the new owner also doesn't ever log on while dsp is streaming
Exactly. Is a small world. This "third party business" just so happened to sell the account to the staunchiest DSP fan who cannot divert his attention while Pigroach is streamig for even a second and thus, cannot play on his phone.
Not even Derich was as loyal as DownfromtheRafters.
and that account also just so happens to spend close to how much money he gets from tips and superchats, and has increased periods of spending whenever dsp gets a boost
yeah no, he's established himself in what in his mind seems like the ideal position where he can neither prove nor disprove that it is still his account, pretending it's outside of his control
derich now owns the account ^^
@miciso666 honestly such a derich thing to do
Yet, he STILL won't show the main account on his phone to prove it...
Actually, i'm DownFromTheRafters.
No, I'm DownFromTheRafters.
No me
@@DSPTriesItMemology101I'm UpFromTheCrawlspace
Nuh uh! I’m DownFromTheRafters
It's still him. At the end of his recent react, he said he didn't show the side scrollers he was down from the rafters was because he sold his account by then....but if he has a different main account that is not down from the rafters....why didn't he show Craig this new account that wasn't down from the rafters? It's because he still uses that account.....Habitual liar man....I hate it.
His lies have lies.
This is like catching a kid eating a whole cake then watching as he wipes his mouth poorly looks right at you and goes - it was the dog!
He had to sell his WWE Champions account to protect his family 😂
We need a hours long montage of him calling people conspiracy theorists and mentally ill for knowing that he was DownFromTheRafters.
Is* he didn’t sell anything. Just his ‘brilliant’ way of getting himself out of the corner he was backed into.
@@larsnootbaarfann Yeah. He had no choice but to admit to being DownFromTheRafters since the discord ID was concrete evidence.
But now he's making up more lies to cover up past lies lol
selling all your personal data to someone else is perfectly fine, but screen shot to prove youre not the guy is not safe
larsnootbaarfann except it isn’t brilliant because anyone with a brain can see through it and easily expose it. For example if you look at his first or second livestream of wwe champions somewhere in that mess of a so called boring stream he says he has a 7 year old account he won’t show, then we have the fact that he still spends like a crackhead on his new account- meaning there’s no way he would’ve let go that account with all the money spent and finally the final nail in the coffin his own leaked bank statements line up with the dates and amounts being spent on downfrontherafters all a coincidence and definitely no contradictions I’m sure 🙄
@@SecretPaints you’re right. But it’s brilliant in the head of DSP. Plus all know DSP is too lazy to even go through the process of selling a mobile game account anyway.
So he lied to protect himself from trolls?? And he still has not said how much he spent on it or apologised to his dents for begging at the same time as blowing their money on this game
No apology for aggressively banning fans and trolls that brought this up over the years.
He actually doesn't get that the problem is not that he spends thousands on nonsense, the problem is that he begs for his bills the next day. If you can afford to spend thousands on anything you should be able to do it, but sucking your viewers dry with lies means you can't afford it.
It's his money - he can spend it on whatever he wants. Ack ack ack.
Exactly. I collect action figures, and I afford it working my day job. At no point have I turned to friends and family begging for money with a claim I need the money to fix my home or car, only to drop it on a wave of figures. If Phil didn't make his streams about giving him money to fix his shower/kitchen, afford bills, afford mortgage etc. and then waste it, no one would care.
100% this. Anybody who actually cares that he's playing WWE Champions are missing the point. It's not the fact he plays it, it's the fact he dumps hundreds to thousands on the game whilst also crying poor. He expects people to pay for his addiction whilst also paying for his bills.
@@cool-lemon no better than a beggar on the street
No spending 100k+ on a mobile game is a problem
Honestly, he was better off keeping the lie to himself rather than finally coming out about it. This wasn't the victory he thinks it is.
Especially when he's still lying.
I don't see what he had to gain from revealing this after digging his heels in for so long.
@@cherrybombaplomb4319 he thinks he can slip a false narrative passed his viewers.
He thinks if he tells half truths that they will buy everything which is why he prefaced the entire spiel with "people with normal functioning brains will believe me"
@Garviel-Loken yep, he's truly deranged in his thinking.
@@jjjordan3881 yep.
Somehow he is still gonna try and turn this into an 'I'm the victim' speech'.
He did NOTHING wrong. And EVERYTHING correct as always
I hope people can turn it into bankruptcy fraud speech.
*scat reference
Craig from side scrollers didn’t read his Email! DSP wrote that said there was a 50/50 chance that he would send Craig his account name. Then side scrollers made an episode accusing him of being a liar. Phil was so upset he didn’t tell Craig he lied. It’s all Craig’s fault. 😆 He certainly has a talent for finding a way to be the victim.
I've noticed that when dsp says "basically" he's buying time for more lies
Every time he opens his mouth there's a lie
Total detractor victory
"I never played the game"
"I played it for a little bit but I stopped"
"I played but didn't spend money"
"I've played the game for seven years"
"I've spent lots of money on the game"
".....wait shit that makes me look bad"
"That WAS my account but I sold it so it's not my account anymore"
JFC Phil, just goddamn own the fact that you're addicted to a mobile gacha game. The fact that people still give this man any amount of money is dented as hell. Go get a real job Philbert. Not that he ever would or see this.
Phil always does this. Telling the truth is a 10 year plan for him
In another five years he'll admit that DownFromTheRafters was actually still his account right now in 2024 but will say that "by now" in 2029 it had really really been sold.
@@angry_zergling"I was heavily addicted to gatcha games for years, now I'm naht!"
Same energy as him saying he USED to be an alcoholic.
Phil's lies... phil's lies never change
@@angry_zergling 2029: I sold the account BUT it was to a fan and they let me keep the login credentials and said it was ok if I kept playing it if I want so I did
Then why does the spending on the account line up with every time he gets a large amount of money?
He also got caught playing it after he "sold" the account and knew the UI way too well on his stream to not be a constant player. This just made him look worse.
@@lizzaroonot really. IF it’s true, or if it’s not it really doesn’t matter… he already admitted he’s still played it since selling the account. So of course he’d know the UI even after “selling” the account.
The key detail is DownfromtheRafters is still only active when Pigroach is not streaming.
Almost like the owner of the account physically cannot play while Pigroach is doing something else on camera.
On one of his wwe champions streams he also admitted to having a 7 year old account, not to mention he’s still spending like a crackhead on the new one- showing he never kicked the habit.
the irony of him confessing all of this before having craig on his pahdkyast…omfg.
I’d say I hope Craig calls him out for it but the minute Craig ask anything remotely close to wrestling he’s going to ban him.
AckFromTheGouters 😂
Y’all are too much all the time 😂
There's a lot of berserk fans here!
@@tenxenu7730 trolls be trolling.
@@vulgardisplayofpink5668 good to know.
@@StrugglerChad hi fellow berker
As someone said on Doody's video. Report DownFromTheRafters to Scopely, selling an account is breaking TOS. If the account gets banned, we should see, if DSP really sold it.
Imagine the mental breakdown he would have, not even being able to rage and rant about it lol
I know exactly what he'll do. He'll tell us that he got an email from the person who bought his account and was told in extreme detail how the account was banned. Then dsp can rage at the trolls for screwing with him, but pretend he's doing it to avenge an innocent person who has nothing to do with him.
So that huge rage-fit he had with Adam Crigler when Sidescrollers called him out over this SPECIFIC ISSUE was *completely unnecessary?!*
this guy is a mess
Nothing he could do! He's a drunk!
And when he has chat with Adam this week, he'll have to come up with a NEW lie on why he lied back then.
That was past Phil. New Phil is honest now and would never lie to us.....
@@Prime92 😅
And people will keep giving him money .. he is a proven liar for 24 years and look at his “fans” as nothing more than an ATM
You mean HTM Hogan transaction machine
Dent bucks never last he's still got 0 in his savings account 😂
Well to be fair its like 3 people with hundreds of fake accounts. Those guys are beyond reason.
Wait. Did he write it all off as a business expense for his bankruptcy hearing???
no. 💩
Yes he wrote wwe champions
If I start a poker channel; can I write off my losses?
It's for my "business"....
@@unbearifiedbear1885in that scenario you would as it part of your business. However gambling with not on tape would be considered personal if done as entertainment.
@@unbearifiedbear1885 sadly you probably could, many content creators are this scummy about claiming it all in taxes as soon as you are monetized and say you do this for a living. I've watched other channels where the person will go on a trip and openly admit they are just making a video about it so they can write it off. Wings used to openly talk about the games and stuff he writes off on taxes. They all do it. So not only is it making a living getting donations from other people, a lot of what they do end up buying isn't really even costing them anything.
DSP confesses he WAS "DownFromTheRafters"...so brave.
He also just confessed to bankruptcy fraud...very smart individual
What an insufferable person
Oh, and Craig ABSOLUTELY needs to bring this up Thursday
He’ll just do his robust nodding then t-pose, “you’re absolutely right! I did lie! But the thing is…”
Phil couldn't be bothered to sell his old condo and recoup $60k+ of money. No Way did he sell his "old account"
He ACKed like it was killing him to sell his stupid gamer statues. This guy is the ultimate hoarder\consumer. He didn't sell s**t.
So much for the advice from legal authorities.
Lol I forgot about that. Dood lies like the wind blows.
He flung insults at people who proved this to be true and still lied in the face of facts but I guess he just can't ignore it any longer.
Good for him I guess since his dents will NEVER walk away unless he bans them himself.
"I dont watch my detractors"
Also DSP: "Doodie is always saying..."
Good to know that Doodie is not considered a detractor by phil
He's a brother to him
This is why it's not worth getting mad he's making more money. He gambles it all away anyway, and ends up back where he started.
nobody should ever believe anything this scammer says again.
Or give him money.
They will though
Reported to scopely for selling account online, this is not a call to action...
This is a call to report to Scopely.
More importantly, report him to the IRS for tax fraud.
lmao I reported him as well about an hour ago, video link and time stamps in email with his admission. Nothing will happen, he is scopelys biggest whales but its fun.
@@ditchwizard i like making posts to rile dents up
He didn’t sell it, but everyone should report him to them with the clip. Because if they did ban it he would go insane and have a breakdown knowing that he lost his big spending account and can’t even rant about it- after his new set of lies.
apologise to craig now
Selling his account and creditals isnt putting his family at risk???
Well it's at least against TOS of WWEC
I love how he drops it like we’re supposed to be shocked and we didn’t literally all know it was him the entire time
Jesus 10 minutes in and it’s even more lies being piled on top of the old lies
DPS fails to learn that the power of secrets, is keeping them.
We are in fibcon 5 ladies and gentlemen
This admission is based purely on how wrong it felt to spend money on a burner account. He's admitting it, and will follow this up with "sticking it to the trolls" by gambling on his main account. You can't lie, he's the classiest, most supreme gentleman.
Dang, this really makes a lot of sense and I didn't even think of that.
Exactly, he's only doing this so he can gamble on his main on stream instead. It must have burned a hole through his mental spending that money on another acc when he could be gunning for rank 1 on main with that money
But if he wants to use his main, why bother making up the "I sold it" lie. Unless it's a set up for "the guy sold me the acc back", I can't see him ever using his down from the rafters account
@@KnightspaceORG yeah, I agree but there will definitely be something I'm sure
He sold it, but whoever owns it just happens to spend thousands on it when he's getting heaps of money
And how strange that his bank statements keep showing micro transactions. This guy is so fucking dumb and delusional that he thinks everyone is as stupid as him.
If this is true then the account “DownFromTheRafters” needs to be reported as buying/selling an account is against ToS..It would be a shame if WWEC found out about this
They don't care
Dude, it’s not true lol. He is still downfromtherafters. No word he says is true, he’s filth.
@@cacanaynay They do became that means someone didn’t give them money for all those cards.
@@EmeryLaGreenexcept they wouldn’t because if he did sell the account, they’ve spent so much money on the game since that time that they really wouldn’t give a shit. They’d lose out on a whale.
@@cacanaynay Not saying it will be in this case but gacha games sometimes take it seriously as in 99.9% of cases buying an account is much cheaper than gambling "legitially" for the same amount of in game "loot". It cuts into their profit and hurt them financially.
Joon removed any doubt to the point where he finally had to admit it. Imagine lying this much while being Phil and still having a single person support you.
Man, Philbert continues to just felt all over the detractors. Today he got us by admitting something everyone has known for 7 years. Good job there buddy.
THIS is this lie he's going with? Okay Phil, we'll see how long this one lasts.
The mega downfall begins.
“I don’t watch my detractors”
And another big ass lie.
If the dents still support him after this there really is no hope for them
There was never any hope for them.
They need family intervention
@@vulgardisplayofpink5668 They need to be incarcerated.
Sadly, some people are doomed to be our cautionary tale..
This. Seriously it’s not even a joke anymore. He has admitted to lying to them for years about the money he obtained from them with the “rallies” for his taxes and stuff. It was all done in bad faith.
There is no doubt anymore. His supporters need to desert him in mass, and if they STILL support him, then they really do need intervention.
DSP is a financial predator at this point, and he needs to be treated as such.
he wouldnt mind if the downfromtherafters account got closed for TOS violation then
They won't ban one of their whales that gives then thousands of dollars every month.
That would be hilarious! Just imagine the breakdown he would have knowing he can’t even rant about it 😂😂😂
im looking already into it how to report it as a RWT sold account from this video if i can. showing proof he sold it and he owned it.
i swear to god if he goes: U STUPID KIDS GOT MY WWE BANNED it will be glorious.
this is the way@@miciso666
Well dents at least you know where you're money is going and Phil needs to be audited, the man got away with fraud
“People that can’t accept the fa-the answer”
Got you. He caught himself and can’t say his answer is the truth, so he couldn’t say they were ever facts. “Answer” however is perfectly fine because it doesn’t imply truth.
Yeah I noticed that too.
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him!
This is the "I was just itching my leg" of the WWE Champions saga.
So many convoluted explanations that rely upon suspension of disbelief and logic to work. The simplest explanation is still the most logical.
Love that he is rocking the Dennis Nedry look for this 'confession' 😂😂😂😂
DownFromTheRafters! We got DownFromTheRafters here!
See, nobody cares.
So all those people he called liers... that was defamation, right?
Bro been begging for years saying he's living pay check to pay check but in reality he's been dropping thousands of dollars on a mobile game off screen 😂😂😂
he self-felted himself
It does matter, even if his "fans" don't care, because he's lying and manipulating them out of their money like a cult leader
I don't think he realises that it was obvious he was lying, then proven he was lying, while for years claiming to be unable to pay bills and potentially losing the house. That's why he's so hated. HOW DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT???
Autism is my guess.
*Was* lying?
Haha i dont know what you're talking about..... uhhh thats weird... *Starts beating it on stream*
That'd require him to have even a little bit of self-awareness.
Simple lack of empathy for anyone besides himself - if you were dumb enough to throw money at him, in his mind, you deserve to get scammed.
trolls,trolls, trolls
NEVER him, always trolls, trolls, trolls
Also, his fans doesnt care because they get banned the second they call it out.
I knew he was lying. Everyone KNEW that he was lying.
It really piss me off that he thought it was not a big of a deal and lied to his viewers.
He still sounds like its just a small mistake.
The casio arc has been wild hes admitting to stuff left and right. I mean yeah most of us knew but his whole brand was denying it. I wonder how his dents are handling all this.
Honestly amazing how far out of his clamshell the felt brothers managed to drag him out.
By throwing money at him, as usual.
It's still the same crap though. He just thought of a new way to admit it, while also denying it. That's some 4D chess level of lying.
Narcisssits are extremely easy to manipulate, pathological liars are that way due to not living completely in reality and being influenced easily by magical thinking, when PPP says to Phil that admitting he plays WWE Champions would be based Phil ends up convincing himself that is true.
His audience summed it up pretty well; he has the 'tisim.
A very robust case of the 'tism.
Dang. Itd be crazy to report that account as being sold. Oh well-
When he says "invested" like he is gonna get something back from the game...
What’s the ROI on sweaty man jpegs?
An addict walks away from an account he's held for 7 yrs.? Yeah, that happened..
THE AUDIT ARC STARTS NOWWWWW!!!!!
"My fans don't care how I spend my money" - but he KEEPS asking them for MORE MONEY.
"One stupid little thing they got me on" - but it was literally tied to his bankruptcy, he CLAIMED IT WAS BUSINESS EXPENSES, when it was literally NOT ASSOCIATED TO HIS BUSINESS.
"I admit it was stupid and bad" - but he KEEPS doing it.
"I can't tell you times of anything in my head, I don't track it" - Yet he claims he knows to the date conversations he had with random people to discredit Joon.
"I don't even know what it is, I don't track it" - Typical DSP. He literally throws money away the moment he gets it.
"I can't remember what it was, I don't track detractor shit, but I KNOW that they made a fake conversation and it involved doxxing! Then he came to me!" - Right...yet another thing that he has no evidence, no data, nothing on, but he wants people to believe, and it conveniently becomes another pity story.
"I explained the time and everything! They are soooooo dumb! They fucked it up!" - Yet he claims that there is no way at all to change names in the game. Now he is trying to suggest he is the first person to ever change his name, but it was the game devs that got everything wrong.
"No one seems to have picked up on it" - No, more like no one cares, because everyone already knew you had dumped over 50k USD into this game, and THAT was the point. Not your sob stories, not your stupid convoluted drama, it is the fact that you are financially irresponsible and morally bankrupt. It will NEVER go away, because you literally committed bankruptcy fraud with it.
Thousands of dollars sunk into the game courtesy of his dents under the pretence of poverty for his bills. Dents gonna dent 🤷🏻♂️
He's lies about everything😂
No no no, you didn't pay attention, he said he's not lying anymore. Please listen carefully, he admitted he has been lying for years, that's why you can trust he's not lying this time.
Liars also lie about lying.. it's lies all the way down.. Phil's like the Pennywise of lolcows "We all lie down here"
It's sad to think this is a man in his 40s and he's still acting like this. He never grew up. Constantly stuck in the 14 year old mindset where he has to spend money whenever he gets it and then lies about what he spends it on.
No dood, he lied for 16 years, but he's telling the truth NOW! There's no reason to not trust him now, he only lied for way over a decade about all sorts of things to protect his family!
Operation Kino: COMPLETE ✅
This is the true karma and it just starts. The 40+ years of karma. God is fair and there is a consequence for every wrong doing. You need to pay what you have done wrong and I hope it won't be easy this time.
Beliefs and religions aside, isn't "karma" a concept in non-Abrahamic religions...? Why would a "Christian" or "Catholic" believe in what is basically heresy and pagan beliefs.
@@Abedeuss depends to many karma means what comes around goes around, ie how you act will have repercussions which is not heretical to Abrahamic religions . However if you are meaning it in the strict Hindu sense that we are reincarnated beings then obviously it an issue
The vortex is very very real out hear
A lie compounded by more lies
Ladies and gents we got him!! He needs that money he really does! To pay his gambling bills!
The dude lied for years, he raged and banned people, he punished dents and detractors for calling him out for his shit. he still does not own it, he is downplaying everything. Trying to justify it, its pathetic.
If he is claiming "microtransactions" as a business expense, like he did say during that deposition with the judge, _that_ was fraud.
He wasn't using that for any streams at the time, so it was just for his personal use.
Ack, ack,ack
I think that's the only way he ends up with $5,000 a month in business expenses.
He 100% claims them as business expenses. For the bankruptcy he had to list everything he spent money on during the 6 month or however long period and he never listed paying for mobile games, so they could only be hidden in the business expenses. There's lines for like electronics and hobbies and stuff like that so if he was playing mobile games for personal entertainment, they it would have been listed in the bankruptcy forms.
My favourite part was when Downfromtherafters shouted "IT'S DOWNFROMTHERAFTERIN' TIME!" and lied to his entire audience and spent their money on Hogan pulls.
It's too bad the IRS doesn't pay attention to detractor channels.
But if it means an audit, THEY WILL NOW.
@@CloakofAuron We can only hope.
"I sold the account" said the pathological liar.
A wicked creature this one is.
The fact that he just ignores the bank leaks while saying that is wild. This guy is so braindead
Let me get this one for Phil. "Yes, those were my bank leaks, but that wasn't me spending the money. Remember when i told you all that I had to spend thousands of dollars because of identity theft? Well the hacker must have been a troll, because they spent a bunch of my money on WWE Champions to make me look bad." There you go Phil. This lie should do it for the dents.
@@Prime92 That actually sounds like something he might say.
This is what happens when you lie constantly. You have to come up with even more lies and half-truths in order to justify the original lie...
must be tiring having to keep track of all the lies hes got spun.
@@Happyjuice912 might explain why he's aged 20 years
And the saddest thing is, he's cried for years that he can't take time off work to spend with his wife, take her on a honeymoon, give her a decent birthday and other money woes.... yet here he is, proving where his money has really been going. I hope Kat divorces him.
He’s more than likely lying about that too, I’m sure he showers Kat with gifts, and more, while playing poor to his viewers.
I’ll admit it, somehow he cultivated a base of idiots that’ll throw money at him regardless..
@@MidTierVillain That's what makes it worse. He can get away with lying and still benefit from it all.
Looking at the size of her he showers her with plenty of cake
@@MidTierVillainI kinda doubt it. I think he’s too narcissistic and selfish.
His biggest tell is looking away and he's telling us most of what he's said isn't true from his body language. Good for him on admitting some stuff though. Gotta throw a little truth in there to convince the lie.
I sure hope DSP doesn't felt us harder, like by getting a job, I'd be so felted bros. It's already going to be hard walking back from this felting.
The fact of the matter is that the bankleaks prove everything