Amazing Marked Chosen variant gifs created by Muhut over on DeviantArt. - www.deviantart.com/muhut/art/Tzeentch-s-Chosen-824831106 NSFW warning if you wana delve deeper into the website, there's some other content there that isn't super safe for work ;P
Dude it should be obvious. If you just give lore its cool, but if you also give an opinion we get to point at you and laugh if you get it wrong. That and we get to debate a succinct list of things.
The Marks need to be permanent units upgrades like the Ork scarp upgrades. "Filling holes that have been left untouched for years, holes that should never have existed in the first place" you are really looking forward to Slaanesh.
I'd rather it be an evolution rather than just an upgrade. Like you can ONLY get these units in campaign through base Chaos Warrior units, and they need to meet experience requirements. You could access them early if you beef up your armies, and in the late game when units come recruited with XP levels you can instantly make them higher tier. Granted, I don't own the Chaos Warrior DLC so I don't know if their units get XP recruitment upgrades.
I always thought its weird that, when playing as Chaos, you immideatly start the End Times. I mean, usually you have to wait a good 100+ rounds for it to start, right? I would rather have the chaos wastes a bit expanded and have to consolidate my power with the various chaos factions before I start the End Times. I would also love some kind of Agent that can create cults within cities of the order factions. Like Skaven-Undercities but instead cults that can spawn revolts or turn rulers of the order factions against each other. Or during a siege you can spawn cultists from within the city that rise up when you besiege the town.
This is kinda like my idea for a rework, where the main meat of the Chaos campaign is a Vampire Coast style rising through the ranks where you seek to become the Everchosen, raising settlements like Norsca for favour and having to fight certain battles at different points in the campaign to beat your competitors. When that is done, and you have established yourself as the Everchosen, you can then lead the End Times and destroy the world of mortals.
@@Dave51430 Do you know the name of this mod? Edit: Nevermind, i found it. Its called "The Cults of Chaos - Under-empire cults for chaos (BETA V0.21"). If anyone else is interested. Thanks for telling me though. Seems like this is exactly what I was looking for.
The most fearsome and powerful of the Chaos Warriors, who earned the title Chosen from decades if not centuries of slaughter in the name of their Dark Gods. Those skeletons sure are spooky though.
Uncle Tzeentch it’s more a problem with chaos and their damn time in the warp. The heat of steam doesn’t quite bother them, so a cannon ball is the only recourse you see
CA could do something similar to the scrap mechanic for the Greenskins. Win battles and receive the favor of the gods. This favor could then be cashed in to pledge a unit to one of the gods giving them the mark of that god.
2 directions for Chaos to go in my mind. 1 - 5 chaos factions, chaos united and then the four chaos factions. united might get god specific units through regiments of renown style recrutment. 2 - I like this more and i think makes less of a mess of thing for the game, though harder to balance I guess. Army lords can pick a mark of chaos to one of the gods, and that will have a tree that not only buffs him but minor buffs to all units with that mark. follow it up with every unit outside of cultists and actual daemons being able to take a mark the same way we now see greenskins using scrap. the mark should probably require the unit to be a certain rank but it should come with both small stat adjustments and a visual change. This could make each army feel unique, with an army lord buffing all units that follow his singular god and really benefiting a single armies success because as the more units get to a high rank the more units get a mark, and as the lord gets stronger that mark gets more influential. throw in some debuffs to other marks, maybe even hit unmarked at higher ranked skills, and now the army feels extremely powerful and also trapped from growing, building new units, and diversifying.
If we get the Mutalith Vortex Beast I can imagine how well it would be animated with all the tentacles flailing around and that vortex thing on its back pulsing with warp shenanigans. This would be one true challenge to animate I can tell. Also on a side note I would love to see a Chimera for the Warriors of Chaos to give them a nice air option outside of a chaos lord on a dragon and manticores.
Alot of people in the comments are forgetting that Multiplayer is a thing. CA can't add a tonne of features and updates that only apply to Chaos campaign. The Scrap feature for GS for example, does not affect the balance or diversity of multiplayer armies, as the faction is already very diverse. Having a feature that massively changes chaos units, stats, and mechanics based on the gods would have to be applied to multiplayer too. Not just a campaign feature.
I wouldn't mind Tzeentch units getting something like Wurrzag's reworked* skill that grants his army magic attacks. Just call it something like 'Warpfire weapons,' and have it do mostly the same thing as Wurrzag's skill: the unit not only has magic attacks, but they also strip away magic resistance. I'd also add stripping away fire resistance, too, since it's, well, sorcererous fire. *Which, incidentally, was one of my favorite minor changes to the Greenskin campaign. I _hated_ that skill, especially if I had started as Grimgor and confederated a turn too late to find that Wurrzag's army was now packing a 25% penalty to weapon damage against dwarfs.
The way it should be implemented is binding god themed units to a single line of camp buildings, so each chaos general has to choose one and stick to it.
There needs to be a price difference for the marks of chaos, based on what lord you selected, something similar to Arkan the black and Ariel with vampire and wood spirits units. For example if sigvald is your lord, it should cost more to bring khorne chosen, to show the division in chaos and how they don’t get along, since it would be OP for one roster to have such diversity in roster without any downside.
They need to be there own factions, even the chaos gods don't exactly like each..constantly fighting over souls. There are so many unique units for each chaos god and my lord big pappa nurgle doesn't play well with others.
A pretty easy way for them to change the game would be for there to be differing Chaos Lords depending on where you are in the Vortex or Mortal Empires. And the further you get, the tougher the units get, eventually you'll face special Chaos versions of things like Black Dragons, Har Ganeth Executioners, War Hydras, Shaggoths, etc.
I feel like if they wanted to buff chosen a bit to help with the terror, they could bring in the Eye of The God's special rule from table-top as an ability or passive. They could also actually give them the Mark of Chaos Undivided, it kind of got written out of the newer editions, but I remember in 6th it gave a morale buff of some kind it wasn't immune to psych though.
You forget about 2 very crucial units in Chaos warriors roster: 1. chaos warshrine - not only provides leadership bonus for sourounding ally units but also gives a special mark for chosen 2. Slaughterbrute - a monster unit that is binded to a lord or hero and gains his stats (when master dies she goes stupid ) btw mark of nurgle also gives missile resist (cloud of flies or something like that ) keep up the good work ! :)
Chaos Warshrine is on the Norsca roster with the mammoth, so I'd be surprised to see Chaos get it as well. I've talked about the Slaughterbrute in a few other videos, super cool unit with a unique mechanic! But I'm not sure it fills a need for Chaos in the way the Vortex beast does. Didn't know about the missile resist for Nurgle though, sounds cool ;)
Every Marked unit should be immune to psychology. Literally being touched by a Chaos god ought to make your mind warped enough to ignore stuff. Would be cool if they could only be gained in campaign from base Chaos Warriors, maybe have them have an experience requirement to become an entirely new unit. Also for Vortex Beasts, it'd be cool for it to have an AoE damage DoT, but rather than constantly ticking, it happens in "waves", doing significant damage every few seconds while buffing nearby units. Make the damage be a debuff poison effect and the buff last till the next wave.
I actually feel like just about all of the missing god units should be saved for Warhammer 3. Chaos Undivided should focus on just that, being undivided. If they are going to have to fill out FOUR different rosters based on all the chaos gods they will really need just about all they can get. Im particularly for Chaos Warshrines and Vortex Beasts, but I think the Bloodthirsters and Hellstriders and the like should be saved for Warhammer 3 rosters.
Aside from new units, which I find your suggestions brilliant, there should be a new army wide ability to dedicate to one god. At the start of the game you can choose one of the four gods to dedicate to, giving your unmarked units small bonus (MA,MD.speed, ap damage). Units that already have the mark don't get bonus stats but a leadership bonus while units with opposing marks get a penalty. During the battle, killing enemy units fills a bar ( similar to waagh) and eventually allows you to select again to which god to pray to and thus allowing you to either double dip or go for a more all around aproach. This would huge versatility to chaos armies that are rather stiff as of now, and it makes perfect sense thematicaly.
My problem with the eventual rework of WoC is that it will never be back ported into WH1 or atleast WH2, you buy the original game, $8 for the dlc and then you have to pay another $120 and wait ~4 years for the faction you bought to be palatable to play
K Melesh you kinda just explained it yourself. It was released in WH1. They were fine in WH1 but because of power creep and not having a lot of tools they’re pretty underwhelming as of today. Which is why they now need the rework
Something akin to the Greenskins scrap mechanic could work well with Chaos - earn favour of the gods and use that favour to boost your units with marks of chaos.
I’d like to see Beastmen get the 4 Chaos God variants for the Gors. Khornegors with Frenzy, Tzaangors with magic attack and so on. It could be similar to the Norsca mechanic where you devote a settlement shrine to a god and boost favour with them unlocking a unit of that Gods variant.
Just use the ork scrap mechanic but reflavoured to the chaos marks and when you add it to a unit they are locked in and their appearance changes along with the stat increase.
It is hard to talk about the missing units of the WoC because we are talking about Chaos Undivided and I think they should have their own flavor with the god-specific units being available to the god-specific factions. Personally I think it would be awesome if Chaos Undivided has a unique mechanic where if you go to war and beat the god-specific factions then you can recruit god-specific units like skullcrushers, keepers of secrets and so on. But if you defeat all four factions then you will be crowned Everchosen and all the units will be available and at cheaper recruitment costs and upkeep. Also I am sure that the marks of chaos will come in similar to the scrap mechanics of the Greenskins. If they do I hope that the upgrade will be shown on the unit.
to touch on marks, chaos lords and sorcerers need them too, also would love a daemon prince ascension mechanic since this is the end goal of all followers of chaos.
I would love it if Chaos got like a Master of Possession, that summons daemons all over the battlefield. He could be a dedicated summoner, with only a Lore of Daemons at his beck and call and some support abilities for non-summoned daemon units as well.
The Marks of Chaos should come with penalties as well. Chosen are tough enough as they are so if they have an aura that debuffs troops around them, like the Mark of Nurgle, that should come with a Speed penalty for the Chosen. Vice Versa, if Chosen of Slaanesh gain Speed and ItP, they should lose Armor. Which fits the battle bikini god.
yeah I think I mentioned that some. But yes there would be strengths and weaknesses for each mark. Khorne has slightly lower melee defense and no magic, Slaanesh is squishiest, Nurgle is slowest, and so on
There are a lot of Chaos Units that can 'fit' into the Chaos Warriors roster, but there are a lot I would prefer to see with the Daemons. That being said, a lot of the units here would be so cool to see in the roster.
I think the warshrine would be pretty good. I've played with the mammoths for chaos mod for a long time and a warshrine, especially on a mammoth, makes a great centerpiece and leadership bastion for an army.
Surprised by the lack of the chaos warshrine, a supportive unit unique to chaos that would definitely help with the problem you mentioned a out your troops holding the line in the late game.
Its a possible inclusion. But it already exists in a different form on the Norscan roster, so I'm not sure we will see CA make a new version of it for Chaos when there are so many other units to add
@@milkandcookiesTW it would certainly have a different role than a norscan warshrine. With your focus on the addition of marks, this unit should go hand in hand, with its ability to super boost dedicated units. (Imagine unbreakable and charge bonus buffed slaneesh marked knights with lances....)
I feel like any Chaos army should be only able to have a single god to align to (per unit stack in campaign, not overall faction), in order to avoid doomstacks of like Khorne Berserkers mixed with Slaneesh speedy bois being flanked by some Nurgle gurgle maggot filled regenerating tanks. And this could carry into multiplayer too, where you would have to dedicate to a single god for that battle, but would allow Chaos players to have differing strategies for different factions (Khorne high damage berserkers would be great against unarmored factions like Lizardmen, while Slaanesh with armour-piercing/speed might be better against Dwarves). However, if this was implemented I would hope that Vanilla "Undivided" Chaos gets a slight buff and stat rebalance making them slightly better. This would then also allow for the option of staying "Undivided" so that while every god has particular strengths/weaknesses for units, Chaos Undivided could simply be the absolute middle-ground where you have units that aren't particularly buffed in any way but aren't getting weaknesses that would lead to bad match-ups (I'd assume Nurgle units might have some kind of regen, but be weak to Fire in return for example). So in a 1v1 multiplayer you'd wanna pick a Chaos god that counters whatever faction you're against, or create multiple strategies by using different god/unit builds. While in a 3v3 or 4v4 you might be more tempted to go Chaos Undivided in order to maintain that all-round balance in order to have the most generalized response to whatever a opponent can toss your way.
The biggest thing they can do for Chaos is rework AP damage. On table top a unit like halberds or crossbowmen would reduce the effectiveness of armor by a whopping 1 point, but in Total War, because lazy, units with 1-2 TT AP just ignore all armor completely with 80% of their damage. So your big, slow, expensive units that paid a lot for their big, thick, expensive armor are taking the same damage that a naked unit is. It's a garbage design. Armor Piercing should ignore a percentage of the target's armor, not all of it. Then that big armored juggernaut can slow walk across the battlefield with death raining around them and not care because they're living tanks.
So the mark of chaos variants could be implemented like the scrap upgrade in the green skin update. I really hope they go in to great detail with the Marks and dont just make them a banner with a simple paint job
Chosen should definitly look very different, as for chaos warriors it would be alright with just different tints/weapons and stats in my opinion. I'm all for bloated nurgle chosen, but those vermintide nugle chaos warriors are just too cool!
The problem here is, I can already see everyone opting mostly for Nurgle bonuses, because a reliable source of healing is simply too much needed in the Chaos roster. Anyway, I can't wait too see what CA has coming for us next!
Regarding the Marks of Chaos and how it visually changes the appearance of the unit, I'd like to see this more for lords than anything rather than just assuming they're 'undivided'. The game Warhammer: Mark of Chaos touched down on this during its campaign with the option for your lord/general to follow either Khrone or Nurgle which changed their appearance to suit that similar of a Bloodthrister or a Great Unclean One. So this isn't something that is too far fetched. There was a mod for TWWH1 that I found which reshaped the Chaos roster with this very choice between the four gods, though sadly it didn't really alter the appearances.
I’d love if, especially in campaign, you gave your lord a chaos Mark and he got a tentacle or extra eye or something it changed the model. That’d be sweet. Then again, I’d love if you equipped a lord with a magic sword or at least the sword of khaine it changed the model. I can dream, can’t I?
With Slaanesh units being fast, armor-piercing and having immune to psychology seemingly across the board, I feel like they'd become very popular very quickly. Perverse glory to She Who Thirsts!
well of course, but they would also be near armorless and melt like paper if dropped into combat alone for too long.... unlike grandfather nurgles children, durable, pestilent, and capable chaff clearers. rot and ruin! struggle is meaningless.
Hey Milk and cookies! Heres a topic you could discuss (And maybe CA will then see it :P) The appeal I always found in warhammer Table top was making units my own. Different from the bog standard kit. Specificly, I loved building my Lords and Heroes from scratch, giving them different pieces of equipment etc. What I would find interesting if it got added to TW WH is a mortal empire play through with every faction where you can create your own lord. Im not even that intrested in the skill tree. I want to make a Khorne lord with 2 axes, or a warboss with a giant hammer. A custom campaign start with your own lord, even if it had generic skills. thoughts?
They could just look at what SFO did and utilize that, marks that serve purpose, dedication to each god of the pantheon instead of pursuing chaos undivided which provides all your troops with marks increasing benefits the further into the certain god's dedication you go. They have all the flavor they need already done by modders, they just need to start taking notes :)
I don't like units that are just ripped from the Daemon Roster, but with humans in place of the Daemons. Like how the Skullcrushers are just carjacked Bloodcrushers (and even the names are annoyingly similar). Although if the demon mounts are given only to the Heroes and Lords, as an indication of how they're special and favored by the Gods, that would work great. Or having them as RoR!
I just want Valkia the Bloody and Vilitch the Curseling. Also I hope they change the look of standard warriors so they all wear helms. My tabletop warriors always had helms as I felt they were too human when you could see their faces. They look much more imposing and evil when fully armoured.
Of course I want daemons of chaos in the game as their own unique race and their own looks per god. BUUUT, I think warriors of chaos should at least have 4 legendary lords dedicated to 1 specific chaos god, give their faction that chaos god's aesthetic, and maybe even a handful of daemons. We already have Sigvald the magnificent for Slaanesh, I would like Egrimm Van horstman for Tzeentch or if he's too boring Vilitch the curseling if he's not too daemonic, Tamurkhan for Nurgle, and maybe Valkia the bloody for Khorne
For the remaining lifespan of Warhammer 2 literally just give me an option to build ANYTHING. The raid playstyle is gimmicky and fun at first but losing your LL which doubles as your Capital just feelsbadman.
Id blow my load if in WH3 you could make your own norsca faction, rise through trials of chaos and become the ever chosen. Same with Empire. Become the avatar of sigmar and fight under karl franz
If there was ONE faction that required extensive unit roster, it's the damn chaos CA. I get that you guys weren't experienced with faction mechanics/unit behavior back in TW1. But could you please consider giving chaos overhaul in TW3 like you did with ork/empire/brit? Wood elves too if you have spare time.
Not a missing unit, I guess, and I don't know if it's still something that is in GW's games (I haven't so much as glanced in their direction in decades) but I'd be looking forward to the lores of Chaos Magic. Give me a Pavane of Slaanesh, give me a Bolt of Change, give me a Plague Wind.
Amazing Marked Chosen variant gifs created by Muhut over on DeviantArt. - www.deviantart.com/muhut/art/Tzeentch-s-Chosen-824831106
NSFW warning if you wana delve deeper into the website, there's some other content there that isn't super safe for work ;P
this is chaos sir we are ment to be exposed to not safe stuff!
Dude it should be obvious. If you just give lore its cool, but if you also give an opinion we get to point at you and laugh if you get it wrong. That and we get to debate a succinct list of things.
Looks awsome like its made for Durkest Dungeon mod.. Pog
@@varagianafro9755 I was going to say the same, it would be very cool
@@nadaningunos9339 imagine reskins or even new classes from warhammer old world.. Holy faking shit that would be doope! I dnt get why no1 didnt try
The Marks need to be permanent units upgrades like the Ork scarp upgrades.
"Filling holes that have been left untouched for years, holes that should never have existed in the first place" you are really looking forward to Slaanesh.
I have feeling that they made mark updates for Chaos Warrior in WH3 and decide that they can reuse it for Greenskins.
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I'd rather it be an evolution rather than just an upgrade. Like you can ONLY get these units in campaign through base Chaos Warrior units, and they need to meet experience requirements. You could access them early if you beef up your armies, and in the late game when units come recruited with XP levels you can instantly make them higher tier. Granted, I don't own the Chaos Warrior DLC so I don't know if their units get XP recruitment upgrades.
Just read my mind.
But if they do marks they won't be able to milk 4 factions out of chaos. Maybe chaos dwarves, orgres, and some kind of other human will suffice?
Chaos looking towards Warhammer 3 like “oh hi marks”
ooh you clever devil you
Bruh
@Dat_Predator_Guy YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, TZEENTCH !
I always thought its weird that, when playing as Chaos, you immideatly start the End Times.
I mean, usually you have to wait a good 100+ rounds for it to start, right?
I would rather have the chaos wastes a bit expanded and have to consolidate my power with the various chaos factions before I start the End Times.
I would also love some kind of Agent that can create cults within cities of the order factions. Like Skaven-Undercities but instead cults that can spawn revolts or turn rulers of the order factions against each other. Or during a siege you can spawn cultists from within the city that rise up when you besiege the town.
A mod just went into Beta trying to create the Chaos Cults pretty much like you said, maybe you want to check that one out
This is kinda like my idea for a rework, where the main meat of the Chaos campaign is a Vampire Coast style rising through the ranks where you seek to become the Everchosen, raising settlements like Norsca for favour and having to fight certain battles at different points in the campaign to beat your competitors. When that is done, and you have established yourself as the Everchosen, you can then lead the End Times and destroy the world of mortals.
@@Dave51430 Do you know the name of this mod?
Edit: Nevermind, i found it. Its called "The Cults of Chaos - Under-empire cults for chaos (BETA V0.21").
If anyone else is interested.
Thanks for telling me though. Seems like this is exactly what I was looking for.
Please give me this in the game now
Fuck. *YES.*
This would have been more thematic if it was top four... Great video tho keep it up!
Or just one image of Malal witohut any sound at all
@@Sir_Bucket If CA went out on a limb and made Malal into a DLC faction i would shit myself
The most fearsome and powerful of the Chaos Warriors, who earned the title Chosen from decades if not centuries of slaughter in the name of their Dark Gods.
Those skeletons sure are spooky though.
Fucking love that
He is still just a man. Tell me Chosen, do you bleed ? You will
Khorne Berzerkers. Give them to me.
[angry dawn of war noises]
Malal must have his chance to show his power
yes plz. that Sarum pattern berserker helmet crest is just about the coolest Chaos look ever
"Filling holes that haven't been touched in years"
SLAANESH IS PLEASED
;)
Lmao my boi!
Every single Chaos Worshipper is missing their standard-issue cannonball to the nose.
Wow looks like the steam as run out, Im desapointed i thougth you were more persistent.
Uncle Tzeentch it’s more a problem with chaos and their damn time in the warp. The heat of steam doesn’t quite bother them, so a cannon ball is the only recourse you see
@@uncletzeentch2282 I never said WHERE the cannonball came from,did I,nerd?
@@Th_Bo_RbRN Exactly
@@SamGlaze balls never bothered anyway
"Filling holes that have been left untouched for years"
Have the lockdown turned you into a Slaanesh worshiper?
He always was one.
Sigmar knows it's turned me into one.
CA could do something similar to the scrap mechanic for the Greenskins. Win battles and receive the favor of the gods. This favor could then be cashed in to pledge a unit to one of the gods giving them the mark of that god.
Amazing how many factions could use that scrap mechanic.
I quote the late TotalBisquit: "I really should make more top 10 lists, they print money!"
2 directions for Chaos to go in my mind.
1 - 5 chaos factions, chaos united and then the four chaos factions. united might get god specific units through regiments of renown style recrutment.
2 - I like this more and i think makes less of a mess of thing for the game, though harder to balance I guess. Army lords can pick a mark of chaos to one of the gods, and that will have a tree that not only buffs him but minor buffs to all units with that mark. follow it up with every unit outside of cultists and actual daemons being able to take a mark the same way we now see greenskins using scrap. the mark should probably require the unit to be a certain rank but it should come with both small stat adjustments and a visual change. This could make each army feel unique, with an army lord buffing all units that follow his singular god and really benefiting a single armies success because as the more units get to a high rank the more units get a mark, and as the lord gets stronger that mark gets more influential. throw in some debuffs to other marks, maybe even hit unmarked at higher ranked skills, and now the army feels extremely powerful and also trapped from growing, building new units, and diversifying.
If we get the Mutalith Vortex Beast I can imagine how well it would be animated with all the tentacles flailing around and that vortex thing on its back pulsing with warp shenanigans. This would be one true challenge to animate I can tell.
Also on a side note I would love to see a Chimera for the Warriors of Chaos to give them a nice air option outside of a chaos lord on a dragon and manticores.
If they do something similar to the behemoth in "The Mist" that would look awesome.
i want a fully recognized WoC roster and the Daemons of Chaos
same here
Alot of people in the comments are forgetting that Multiplayer is a thing. CA can't add a tonne of features and updates that only apply to Chaos campaign. The Scrap feature for GS for example, does not affect the balance or diversity of multiplayer armies, as the faction is already very diverse. Having a feature that massively changes chaos units, stats, and mechanics based on the gods would have to be applied to multiplayer too. Not just a campaign feature.
Make it a campaign exclusive unit job done
I wouldn't mind Tzeentch units getting something like Wurrzag's reworked* skill that grants his army magic attacks. Just call it something like 'Warpfire weapons,' and have it do mostly the same thing as Wurrzag's skill: the unit not only has magic attacks, but they also strip away magic resistance. I'd also add stripping away fire resistance, too, since it's, well, sorcererous fire.
*Which, incidentally, was one of my favorite minor changes to the Greenskin campaign. I _hated_ that skill, especially if I had started as Grimgor and confederated a turn too late to find that Wurrzag's army was now packing a 25% penalty to weapon damage against dwarfs.
CA: adds mark of chaos
IGN: It really makes you feel like a khorne chosen
It really makes you FEEL like a Total War Warhammer 3
The way it should be implemented is binding god themed units to a single line of camp buildings, so each chaos general has to choose one and stick to it.
I just like to imagine when you reach good favor with any of the gods, they just throw a colored suit of armor at you from their portion of hell.
Space marine theme on a chaos video?! The inquisition will hear of this.
There needs to be a price difference for the marks of chaos, based on what lord you selected, something similar to Arkan the black and Ariel with vampire and wood spirits units. For example if sigvald is your lord, it should cost more to bring khorne chosen, to show the division in chaos and how they don’t get along, since it would be OP for one roster to have such diversity in roster without any downside.
They need to be there own factions, even the chaos gods don't exactly like each..constantly fighting over souls. There are so many unique units for each chaos god and my lord big pappa nurgle doesn't play well with others.
one lord for each god, warriors and demons, then 1 lord for undivided warriors and demons.
A pretty easy way for them to change the game would be for there to be differing Chaos Lords depending on where you are in the Vortex or Mortal Empires. And the further you get, the tougher the units get, eventually you'll face special Chaos versions of things like Black Dragons, Har Ganeth Executioners, War Hydras, Shaggoths, etc.
I feel like if they wanted to buff chosen a bit to help with the terror, they could bring in the Eye of The God's special rule from table-top as an ability or passive. They could also actually give them the Mark of Chaos Undivided, it kind of got written out of the newer editions, but I remember in 6th it gave a morale buff of some kind it wasn't immune to psych though.
I appreciate the very blunt intro to this video
You forget about 2 very crucial units in Chaos warriors roster:
1. chaos warshrine - not only provides leadership bonus for sourounding ally units but also gives a special mark for chosen
2. Slaughterbrute - a monster unit that is binded to a lord or hero and gains his stats (when master dies she goes stupid )
btw mark of nurgle also gives missile resist (cloud of flies or something like that )
keep up the good work ! :)
Chaos Warshrine is on the Norsca roster with the mammoth, so I'd be surprised to see Chaos get it as well. I've talked about the Slaughterbrute in a few other videos, super cool unit with a unique mechanic! But I'm not sure it fills a need for Chaos in the way the Vortex beast does. Didn't know about the missile resist for Nurgle though, sounds cool ;)
Every Marked unit should be immune to psychology. Literally being touched by a Chaos god ought to make your mind warped enough to ignore stuff. Would be cool if they could only be gained in campaign from base Chaos Warriors, maybe have them have an experience requirement to become an entirely new unit.
Also for Vortex Beasts, it'd be cool for it to have an AoE damage DoT, but rather than constantly ticking, it happens in "waves", doing significant damage every few seconds while buffing nearby units. Make the damage be a debuff poison effect and the buff last till the next wave.
I actually feel like just about all of the missing god units should be saved for Warhammer 3. Chaos Undivided should focus on just that, being undivided. If they are going to have to fill out FOUR different rosters based on all the chaos gods they will really need just about all they can get. Im particularly for Chaos Warshrines and Vortex Beasts, but I think the Bloodthirsters and Hellstriders and the like should be saved for Warhammer 3 rosters.
I have a heavy, bestial need for Hellstriders
Mega fast paper thin flankers that just love piling into the enemies backside.
Aside from new units, which I find your suggestions brilliant, there should be a new army wide ability to dedicate to one god. At the start of the game you can choose one of the four gods to dedicate to, giving your unmarked units small bonus (MA,MD.speed, ap damage). Units that already have the mark don't get bonus stats but a leadership bonus while units with opposing marks get a penalty. During the battle, killing enemy units fills a bar ( similar to waagh) and eventually allows you to select again to which god to pray to and thus allowing you to either double dip or go for a more all around aproach. This would huge versatility to chaos armies that are rather stiff as of now, and it makes perfect sense thematicaly.
2:42 that Slannesh sprite tho 😏🤤
My problem with the eventual rework of WoC is that it will never be back ported into WH1 or atleast WH2, you buy the original game, $8 for the dlc and then you have to pay another $120 and wait ~4 years for the faction you bought to be palatable to play
Why would you play WH1/2 though
@@emac8616 does it matter? is anything i said wrong?
K Melesh you kinda just explained it yourself. It was released in WH1. They were fine in WH1 but because of power creep and not having a lot of tools they’re pretty underwhelming as of today. Which is why they now need the rework
@@emac8616 the old world map was bigger in the first game, maybe not a lot, but enough to feel bigger.
That last image show the BIG STABBA!!!! Most OP ork unit in the game.
Something akin to the Greenskins scrap mechanic could work well with Chaos - earn favour of the gods and use that favour to boost your units with marks of chaos.
I just want a full slaneesh themed army
I’d like to see Beastmen get the 4 Chaos God variants for the Gors. Khornegors with Frenzy, Tzaangors with magic attack and so on. It could be similar to the Norsca mechanic where you devote a settlement shrine to a god and boost favour with them unlocking a unit of that Gods variant.
Just use the ork scrap mechanic but reflavoured to the chaos marks and when you add it to a unit they are locked in and their appearance changes along with the stat increase.
It is hard to talk about the missing units of the WoC because we are talking about Chaos Undivided and I think they should have their own flavor with the god-specific units being available to the god-specific factions.
Personally I think it would be awesome if Chaos Undivided has a unique mechanic where if you go to war and beat the god-specific factions then you can recruit god-specific units like skullcrushers, keepers of secrets and so on. But if you defeat all four factions then you will be crowned Everchosen and all the units will be available and at cheaper recruitment costs and upkeep.
Also I am sure that the marks of chaos will come in similar to the scrap mechanics of the Greenskins. If they do I hope that the upgrade will be shown on the unit.
to touch on marks, chaos lords and sorcerers need them too, also would love a daemon prince ascension mechanic since this is the end goal of all followers of chaos.
3:50 not just to look awesome but also to bring army variety. Always playing the same efficient army can get boring later on
"Chaos Comes... Consumes us all..."
milkandcookiestw: *TOP THREE PICKS BOIS*
I would love it if Chaos got like a Master of Possession, that summons daemons all over the battlefield. He could be a dedicated summoner, with only a Lore of Daemons at his beck and call and some support abilities for non-summoned daemon units as well.
The Marks of Chaos should come with penalties as well. Chosen are tough enough as they are so if they have an aura that debuffs troops around them, like the Mark of Nurgle, that should come with a Speed penalty for the Chosen. Vice Versa, if Chosen of Slaanesh gain Speed and ItP, they should lose Armor. Which fits the battle bikini god.
yeah I think I mentioned that some. But yes there would be strengths and weaknesses for each mark. Khorne has slightly lower melee defense and no magic, Slaanesh is squishiest, Nurgle is slowest, and so on
the vortex beast would be so sick. I am very very curious how well CA are going to nail this
I'm Daemon Prince Shepherd and this is my favorite video on the Chaos Citadel.
There are a lot of Chaos Units that can 'fit' into the Chaos Warriors roster, but there are a lot I would prefer to see with the Daemons. That being said, a lot of the units here would be so cool to see in the roster.
I would love to see marks that level over time with the amount of kills a unit gets over the campain, or something like that ^^
I think the warshrine would be pretty good. I've played with the mammoths for chaos mod for a long time and a warshrine, especially on a mammoth, makes a great centerpiece and leadership bastion for an army.
Surprised by the lack of the chaos warshrine, a supportive unit unique to chaos that would definitely help with the problem you mentioned a out your troops holding the line in the late game.
Its a possible inclusion. But it already exists in a different form on the Norscan roster, so I'm not sure we will see CA make a new version of it for Chaos when there are so many other units to add
@@milkandcookiesTW it would certainly have a different role than a norscan warshrine.
With your focus on the addition of marks, this unit should go hand in hand, with its ability to super boost dedicated units. (Imagine unbreakable and charge bonus buffed slaneesh marked knights with lances....)
I feel like any Chaos army should be only able to have a single god to align to (per unit stack in campaign, not overall faction), in order to avoid doomstacks of like Khorne Berserkers mixed with Slaneesh speedy bois being flanked by some Nurgle gurgle maggot filled regenerating tanks. And this could carry into multiplayer too, where you would have to dedicate to a single god for that battle, but would allow Chaos players to have differing strategies for different factions (Khorne high damage berserkers would be great against unarmored factions like Lizardmen, while Slaanesh with armour-piercing/speed might be better against Dwarves).
However, if this was implemented I would hope that Vanilla "Undivided" Chaos gets a slight buff and stat rebalance making them slightly better. This would then also allow for the option of staying "Undivided" so that while every god has particular strengths/weaknesses for units, Chaos Undivided could simply be the absolute middle-ground where you have units that aren't particularly buffed in any way but aren't getting weaknesses that would lead to bad match-ups (I'd assume Nurgle units might have some kind of regen, but be weak to Fire in return for example). So in a 1v1 multiplayer you'd wanna pick a Chaos god that counters whatever faction you're against, or create multiple strategies by using different god/unit builds. While in a 3v3 or 4v4 you might be more tempted to go Chaos Undivided in order to maintain that all-round balance in order to have the most generalized response to whatever a opponent can toss your way.
I truly hope this will all happen.
I can't wait for Hellstriders. I love them so much.
I don't have anything to add, other than this has me hype as hell for Chaos Warriors in TWW3. I am ready for them to be this awesome.
I am surprised there hasn't been a big overhaul mod that has taken advantage of this stuff by now.
To quote an intellectual:
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, WHO DIES FIRST? WHY AREN'T WE KILLING YET?
The biggest thing they can do for Chaos is rework AP damage. On table top a unit like halberds or crossbowmen would reduce the effectiveness of armor by a whopping 1 point, but in Total War, because lazy, units with 1-2 TT AP just ignore all armor completely with 80% of their damage. So your big, slow, expensive units that paid a lot for their big, thick, expensive armor are taking the same damage that a naked unit is. It's a garbage design.
Armor Piercing should ignore a percentage of the target's armor, not all of it.
Then that big armored juggernaut can slow walk across the battlefield with death raining around them and not care because they're living tanks.
So the mark of chaos variants could be implemented like the scrap upgrade in the green skin update. I really hope they go in to great detail with the Marks and dont just make them a banner with a simple paint job
That intro was amazing
Chosen should definitly look very different, as for chaos warriors it would be alright with just different tints/weapons and stats in my opinion. I'm all for bloated nurgle chosen, but those vermintide nugle chaos warriors are just too cool!
The problem here is, I can already see everyone opting mostly for Nurgle bonuses, because a reliable source of healing is simply too much needed in the Chaos roster. Anyway, I can't wait too see what CA has coming for us next!
Regarding the Marks of Chaos and how it visually changes the appearance of the unit, I'd like to see this more for lords than anything rather than just assuming they're 'undivided'. The game Warhammer: Mark of Chaos touched down on this during its campaign with the option for your lord/general to follow either Khrone or Nurgle which changed their appearance to suit that similar of a Bloodthrister or a Great Unclean One. So this isn't something that is too far fetched. There was a mod for TWWH1 that I found which reshaped the Chaos roster with this very choice between the four gods, though sadly it didn't really alter the appearances.
Mutalith vortex beast would make Vampire Counts matchup so much better imo
I’d love if, especially in campaign, you gave your lord a chaos Mark and he got a tentacle or extra eye or something it changed the model. That’d be sweet. Then again, I’d love if you equipped a lord with a magic sword or at least the sword of khaine it changed the model. I can dream, can’t I?
With Slaanesh units being fast, armor-piercing and having immune to psychology seemingly across the board, I feel like they'd become very popular very quickly. Perverse glory to She Who Thirsts!
well of course, but they would also be near armorless and melt like paper if dropped into combat alone for too long.... unlike grandfather nurgles children, durable, pestilent, and capable chaff clearers. rot and ruin! struggle is meaningless.
Woop woop love your videos. Don’t really care if it’s a top 3,5,10,20 just love your videos!
“I’m not playing these games for the stats. If I was, I’d be playing paradox.”
Me with my 600ish hours on PDX games is feeling a little burnt.
Consider my pants SPLOOGED!!
Chaos is really in need of a revamp, just like beastmen
I just want an update to the Wood Elves and Beastmen (especially the Wood Elves).
Hey Milk and cookies!
Heres a topic you could discuss (And maybe CA will then see it :P)
The appeal I always found in warhammer Table top was making units my own. Different from the bog standard kit. Specificly, I loved building my Lords and Heroes from scratch, giving them different pieces of equipment etc.
What I would find interesting if it got added to TW WH is a mortal empire play through with every faction where you can create your own lord. Im not even that intrested in the skill tree. I want to make a Khorne lord with 2 axes, or a warboss with a giant hammer.
A custom campaign start with your own lord, even if it had generic skills. thoughts?
They could just look at what SFO did and utilize that, marks that serve purpose, dedication to each god of the pantheon instead of pursuing chaos undivided which provides all your troops with marks increasing benefits the further into the certain god's dedication you go. They have all the flavor they need already done by modders, they just need to start taking notes :)
Chaos Marauder units should have access to Marks of Chaos and Javalins and Throwing Axes.
Malal needs to show up and beat up the other Chaos Gods . Sad that we will never get this
I don't always play as the ruinous powers; but when i do, i prefer the Beastmen
I don't like units that are just ripped from the Daemon Roster, but with humans in place of the Daemons. Like how the Skullcrushers are just carjacked Bloodcrushers (and even the names are annoyingly similar). Although if the demon mounts are given only to the Heroes and Lords, as an indication of how they're special and favored by the Gods, that would work great. Or having them as RoR!
I just want Valkia the Bloody and Vilitch the Curseling.
Also I hope they change the look of standard warriors so they all wear helms. My tabletop warriors always had helms as I felt they were too human when you could see their faces. They look much more imposing and evil when fully armoured.
Chaos should steal some skaven mechanics. Chaos cults like under empire and demon summoning.
Of course I want daemons of chaos in the game as their own unique race and their own looks per god. BUUUT, I think warriors of chaos should at least have 4 legendary lords dedicated to 1 specific chaos god, give their faction that chaos god's aesthetic, and maybe even a handful of daemons. We already have Sigvald the magnificent for Slaanesh, I would like Egrimm Van horstman for Tzeentch or if he's too boring Vilitch the curseling if he's not too daemonic, Tamurkhan for Nurgle, and maybe Valkia the bloody for Khorne
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chaos needs lore of warp magic too
For the remaining lifespan of Warhammer 2 literally just give me an option to build ANYTHING. The raid playstyle is gimmicky and fun at first but losing your LL which doubles as your Capital just feelsbadman.
Id blow my load if in WH3 you could make your own norsca faction, rise through trials of chaos and become the ever chosen.
Same with Empire. Become the avatar of sigmar and fight under karl franz
That's what TWWH needs: tentacle monsters.
Cant wait to see ma boi/girl/thing Slaanesh kick some major ass in game 3.
Kicking is just as fun as clapping
A very extremely awesome video as always milkandcookiesTW.
Wow.. and i yet to start a Mortal Empires campaign using the chaos...
Sorry Milky, butt there really is no competition for the best Slann butt other than Lord Kroaks
agree but next dlc should be dwarven/norsca update focused imo
They also need to add a demon prince
Make chaos steeds larger and not small ponys would be nice. At launch of game 3
If there was ONE faction that required extensive unit roster, it's the damn chaos CA. I get that you guys weren't experienced with faction mechanics/unit behavior back in TW1. But could you please consider giving chaos overhaul in TW3 like you did with ork/empire/brit? Wood elves too if you have spare time.
For visuals, I hope they go for at least Call of Warhammer level of details
Is the Vortex Beast going to be like a chaos Luminark that's good in melee?
More like a mortis engine with some active debuffs
Not a missing unit, I guess, and I don't know if it's still something that is in GW's games (I haven't so much as glanced in their direction in decades) but I'd be looking forward to the lores of Chaos Magic. Give me a Pavane of Slaanesh, give me a Bolt of Change, give me a Plague Wind.
Chosen should be unbreakable, it's kinda in their nature
Now with the Grom and the Paunch out can you rank the races in your opinion? Just curious
likely they belong in their own factions, but i want Deamons.. real ones, like great unclean ones.. bloodthirsters etc :)
We need Surtha Ek as a Legandary Lord
How do you know them to be missing when I don't recall anyone having released any official information about the game yet?