I can add, from personal experience, that RWY 24L gets very choppy when the wind picks up due to the close proximity to the south hangers and the buildings on the road on short final creating wind eddies.
I got delayed by by a day coming back from Germany to CLT (Charlotte NC). With freezing rain in the forecast at CLT I was happy to spend a day relaxing in Munich than wondering where I might end up in USA. I am not going to try to claim compensation for the extra cost of a hotel room from the airline. The weather is beyond their control! You should not complain when an airline cancels for a reason like his.
How you know the PM wasn’t monitoring? You have now way of knowing what configuration/ alt that ATC call was made from that video and audio. The “point” is to communicate and get off a missed approach procedure that takes you 10 miles the out over Lake Ontario
Damn, you’d think after handling the ill passenger, they’d go to London or Manchester where Cathay currently flies and likely has ground service personnel that know how to handle one of their flights. Well at least by going back to Toronto, some of those passengers can go to bed in their own bed at home, which also saves the airline a bit on accommodation costs, rather than having to find hotels for every pax and crew.
Fair enough, I don’t usually need a visa to travel, so I never considered that between 2 big countries, one would need a visa. I also forgot that some people travelling for exceptional reasons will need a visa even if their destination is visa free. Silly me
Crikey, is it impossible for an experienced pilot to do one thing ("Aviate") and another thing ("Communicate") at the same time ? Me thinks you protest too much. Even Sully spoke to the ATC quite a few times, but he did sometimes ignore the radio. But it was non-zero radio Communications is the point.
"I have a question that’s been troubling me. A close friend of ours passed away suddenly during a flight, just 10 minutes after takeoff. He had undergone an operation in the UK earlier in 2024 and was unwell. His wife and children were on the plane, and the cabin crew informed the children but not the wife . He died in his seat, and CPR was administered, but what I don’t understand is why the airline didn’t return to the airport they took off from. Instead, they continued the flight to Heathrow, knowing it was a long journey. I thought they would turn back and offload the body, but the airline continued to fly. Is this a normal procedure for airlines in such a situation? I’m really confused and just want to understand what happened."
That’s a lot to unpack but the first thing I will say is that your timescale is probably wrong, sorry but people under stress have a very shaky take on time, I would say this happened probably after at least 30 minutes, now for the interesting bit, the cabin crew would have been alerted either by a family member or they tried to offer him something and had no response, it doesn’t matter which because now the crew will be going through their particular passenger loss of consciousness procedures. You haven’t stated the Airline but if it’s a European or North American carrier we all “sing from the same hymn sheet” so to speak, at this stage one of the crew will contact the flight deck to inform the captain that they are dealing with a medical situation with an unconscious passenger. It’s really important to point out at this stage that the only person who can pronounce someone dead is a licensed physician, technically if there isn’t a doctor on the aircraft then CPR must be maintained by the crew until the patient is passed over to medically trained ground personnel. At this time the flight crew are only aware of an unwell passenger so no changes to the flight will take place until we get more information (to say this is a common occurrence is putting it mildly and the more people you have on your aircraft the more likely it is) the most the flight crew will do at this stage is check the weather at the nearest diversion airfields and the most likely diversions for medical issues (for instance Gander in Newfoundland has a better airport facility but it’s 4 hrs by road to the best hospital that’s in St John’s, so it’s better to cut out the middle man and go to St John’s if possible. The next event will be one of the crew gaining access to the flight deck to brief us and present a patient history, again most European and North American Airlines subscribe to a service called MEDLINK based in Phoenix Arizona, they provide an on call doctor to any subscriber anywhere in the world, they would now be contacted using our sat phone and the patient history would be passed including any treatment given, by now I would expect that for an unconscious patient who is not breathing and has no pulse, CPR followed by the use of a defibrillator would be included in that history. The doctor who has realised that 20 mins of CPR and two or more shocks have not recovered the patient then he is probably dead and he will ask the crew to make a PA for a doctor to make themselves known to the crew. If that happens and the doctor pronounces a time of death, the emergency is now over, this may sound callous but as Spock once said “The needs of the many out way the needs of the few” in other words there are 308 passengers and 14 crew who are now the priority, so the body would be repositioned if possible out of sight of the rest of the passengers until after landing at the destination. Be assured that if that history had been different then MEDLINK might have authorised the use of our “Dr only” med kit and advised an immediate diversion to the nearest appropriate airport (they have our position at all times and a list of the most appropriate hospitals within a short flight time) as for the communication with his family I will put that down to the huge stress of the situation, his wife was probably told but had no way to actually take onboard what she was hearing. I hope this fills in some of the blanks for you particularly the return to departure as you can probably see this process takes some time and the aircraft is travelling at 8 miles a minute, once it was clear to the crew and MEDLINK that this case was hopeless the urgency stops and it’s then my job to get my crew down off the ceiling just in case something else happens.
@johnmorris7815 His family told me that he became unwell on the aircraft shortly after takeoff and, sadly, passed away 10 minutes later. I’ve always understood that in such medical emergencies, the standard procedure is to return to the nearest airport. However, in this instance, the airline chose to continue flying to Heathrow, which I found quite surprising. Are you an airline pilot? You seem very knowledgeable about this. I’m passionate about aviation as well, which is why I wanted to ask you this question."
Forgive me if you've covered this already, but I've seen some crazy footage of pilots dumping stuff on fires with DC10s etc. ... Flying in a manner that would ordinarily earn them some of your colorful commentary like some of the footage we've seen happening in some lesser developed nations. So are these fire fighting pilots special kind of pilots and does this exemplify that there are certain types of situations that can justify crazy flying stuff? Also because I imagine that if one of these fire DC10s crashes, not only will it be a tough day for those pilots, but I imagine that plane fuel tends to be quite incendiary etc. In itself. So there's definitely something to risk as well.
Commiserations to the unwell passenger. If he was compos mentis, knowing that his need for medical assistance had inconvenienced the entire complement of souls on board, likely made the poor bugger feel even worse.
"I’ve always wondered - do pilots have their meals at the same time or at different times to ensure that, in case something happens to the food, both aren’t affected? How is this managed during flights for safety?"
@@Alan-OnRunway01 no actually as it wasn’t actually extended, prior to the divert they would’ve been stuck to their seats for about 14 hrs to get to Hong Kong.
So this explains why I found a cathay flight from Iceland to Toronto interesting
Yoo nice vid🎉
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for writing to me. P🍀
Canadians are so nice. I'm shocked the tower didn't apologize for the wind.
I agree they are so chilled. P🍀
Could not agree more…. About almost everything you just said…. Especially about the communication.
Thanks for your supportive communication. P🍀
I can add, from personal experience, that RWY 24L gets very choppy when the wind picks up due to the close proximity to the south hangers and the buildings on the road on short final creating wind eddies.
I got delayed by by a day coming back from Germany to CLT (Charlotte NC). With freezing rain in the forecast at CLT I was happy to spend a day relaxing in Munich than wondering where I might end up in USA. I am not going to try to claim compensation for the extra cost of a hotel room from the airline. The weather is beyond their control! You should not complain when an airline cancels for a reason like his.
Thanks for your contribution to the conversation. P🍀
How you know the PM wasn’t monitoring? You have now way of knowing what configuration/ alt that ATC call was made from that video and audio. The “point” is to communicate and get off a missed approach procedure that takes you 10 miles the out over Lake Ontario
Thanks for stating your opinion to which you are entitled. All the best. P🍀
Damn, you’d think after handling the ill passenger, they’d go to London or Manchester where Cathay currently flies and likely has ground service personnel that know how to handle one of their flights. Well at least by going back to Toronto, some of those passengers can go to bed in their own bed at home, which also saves the airline a bit on accommodation costs, rather than having to find hotels for every pax and crew.
Some of those passengers might not have the right visa to enter the UK.
No uk visas
Fair enough, I don’t usually need a visa to travel, so I never considered that between 2 big countries, one would need a visa. I also forgot that some people travelling for exceptional reasons will need a visa even if their destination is visa free. Silly me
Denied by UK immigration. Tech stop in Asia (ICN, NRT etc) ruled out as China denied overfly. Only option was to return to YYZ.
Crikey, is it impossible for an experienced pilot to do one thing ("Aviate") and another thing ("Communicate") at the same time ? Me thinks you protest too much.
Even Sully spoke to the ATC quite a few times, but he did sometimes ignore the radio. But it was non-zero radio Communications is the point.
Thanks for sharing of your opinion, to which of course you are entitled. All the best. P🍀
"I have a question that’s been troubling me. A close friend of ours passed away suddenly during a flight, just 10 minutes after takeoff. He had undergone an operation in the UK earlier in 2024 and was unwell. His wife and children were on the plane, and the cabin crew informed the children but not the wife . He died in his seat, and CPR was administered, but what I don’t understand is why the airline didn’t return to the airport they took off from. Instead, they continued the flight to Heathrow, knowing it was a long journey. I thought they would turn back and offload the body, but the airline continued to fly. Is this a normal procedure for airlines in such a situation? I’m really confused and just want to understand what happened."
That’s a lot to unpack but the first thing I will say is that your timescale is probably wrong, sorry but people under stress have a very shaky take on time, I would say this happened probably after at least 30 minutes, now for the interesting bit, the cabin crew would have been alerted either by a family member or they tried to offer him something and had no response, it doesn’t matter which because now the crew will be going through their particular passenger loss of consciousness procedures. You haven’t stated the Airline but if it’s a European or North American carrier we all “sing from the same hymn sheet” so to speak, at this stage one of the crew will contact the flight deck to inform the captain that they are dealing with a medical situation with an unconscious passenger. It’s really important to point out at this stage that the only person who can pronounce someone dead is a licensed physician, technically if there isn’t a doctor on the aircraft then CPR must be maintained by the crew until the patient is passed over to medically trained ground personnel. At this time the flight crew are only aware of an unwell passenger so no changes to the flight will take place until we get more information (to say this is a common occurrence is putting it mildly and the more people you have on your aircraft the more likely it is) the most the flight crew will do at this stage is check the weather at the nearest diversion airfields and the most likely diversions for medical issues (for instance Gander in Newfoundland has a better airport facility but it’s 4 hrs by road to the best hospital that’s in St John’s, so it’s better to cut out the middle man and go to St John’s if possible.
The next event will be one of the crew gaining access to the flight deck to brief us and present a patient history, again most European and North American Airlines subscribe to a service called MEDLINK based in Phoenix Arizona, they provide an on call doctor to any subscriber anywhere in the world, they would now be contacted using our sat phone and the patient history would be passed including any treatment given, by now I would expect that for an unconscious patient who is not breathing and has no pulse, CPR followed by the use of a defibrillator would be included in that history. The doctor who has realised that 20 mins of CPR and two or more shocks have not recovered the patient then he is probably dead and he will ask the crew to make a PA for a doctor to make themselves known to the crew. If that happens and the doctor pronounces a time of death, the emergency is now over, this may sound callous but as Spock once said “The needs of the many out way the needs of the few” in other words there are 308 passengers and 14 crew who are now the priority, so the body would be repositioned if possible out of sight of the rest of the passengers until after landing at the destination.
Be assured that if that history had been different then MEDLINK might have authorised the use of our “Dr only” med kit and advised an immediate diversion to the nearest appropriate airport (they have our position at all times and a list of the most appropriate hospitals within a short flight time) as for the communication with his family I will put that down to the huge stress of the situation, his wife was probably told but had no way to actually take onboard what she was hearing.
I hope this fills in some of the blanks for you particularly the return to departure as you can probably see this process takes some time and the aircraft is travelling at 8 miles a minute, once it was clear to the crew and MEDLINK that this case was hopeless the urgency stops and it’s then my job to get my crew down off the ceiling just in case something else happens.
Saudi airlines
@johnmorris7815 Saudi airlines
@@Auditingcontent ok, I’ve never operated for a Middle East carrier but I would think their procedures are very similar?
@johnmorris7815 His family told me that he became unwell on the aircraft shortly after takeoff and, sadly, passed away 10 minutes later. I’ve always understood that in such medical emergencies, the standard procedure is to return to the nearest airport. However, in this instance, the airline chose to continue flying to Heathrow, which I found quite surprising.
Are you an airline pilot? You seem very knowledgeable about this. I’m passionate about aviation as well, which is why I wanted to ask you this question."
Forgive me if you've covered this already, but I've seen some crazy footage of pilots dumping stuff on fires with DC10s etc. ... Flying in a manner that would ordinarily earn them some of your colorful commentary like some of the footage we've seen happening in some lesser developed nations. So are these fire fighting pilots special kind of pilots and does this exemplify that there are certain types of situations that can justify crazy flying stuff? Also because I imagine that if one of these fire DC10s crashes, not only will it be a tough day for those pilots, but I imagine that plane fuel tends to be quite incendiary etc. In itself. So there's definitely something to risk as well.
It's possibly a silly question, it's just it kinda shows that there's some scale of risk/reward I guess? A bit like rescue helicopter stuff maybe?
Commiserations to the unwell passenger. If he was compos mentis, knowing that his need for medical assistance had inconvenienced the entire complement of souls on board, likely made the poor bugger feel even worse.
Same would apply I'm sure if the ill passenger was to have been female. Thanks for writing to the channel. P🍀
"I’ve always wondered - do pilots have their meals at the same time or at different times to ensure that, in case something happens to the food, both aren’t affected? How is this managed during flights for safety?"
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Were there also many hungry passengers for such an unexpected extension?
@@Alan-OnRunway01 no actually as it wasn’t actually extended, prior to the divert they would’ve been stuck to their seats for about 14 hrs to get to Hong Kong.
Do you always have to swear, ignorant
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Don’t watch then, Guy.