I don't understand low rank players
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2024
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"Bullying? Not bullying, teaching."
- JDCR, 2021
"You see, in order to stop hitting yourself you'll have to make an effort to stop my arm that is now holding yours."
the asian way
Gotta love this clarification of him 😂
seeing how most bullying takes place in schools and teachers dont do shit about it, seems correct
High-level players tend to use the moves that are optimal on paper for each situation. While that is technically the best action, it tends to make them more predictable. Lower-ranked players just do what they think will work, which often can work since it's so unpredictable.
And thats the beauty of tekken. In other games, there are a lot of players who can reach high levels just by being "unpredictable". Tekken has a huge risk vs reward system that is clear cut so if you are "unpredictable", you are throwing yourself at a huge risk most of the time with the exception of 2D characters, leroy, and fauk of course.
if they are such noobs u can frame trap them easily.
This is just wrong.High level players have faster reaction speeds.If you are a low level player there are two very important things 1)You don't know what anything your opponent does.
2)You don't have the reaction speed to react because you didn't train your eye to recognize animations thus in decision making level in defense you are slower than the average.
There is also something else these games are played in offline and unless you have above average reaction speed snakedge,throws and some of the other moves are not reactable not just for low levels for anyone aside for high and pro level players.So in a sense the way jdcr is playing is cheating for an easier win.Ofc he would beat them if he played proper but not as easily because the low risk moves are also low in reward.The moves and flowcharts he used are not usable in his level because they are literally suicede.
Very true. That's why lower ranked players can be very dangerous, especially in shorter sets.
If "optimal on paper" means best decision according framedata that's the way of intermediate players. Pros will stay unpredictable by changing their timings and disrespecting your frames with the minimum risk for themselves. That makes them more threatening then green ranked with random snake edge
JDCR: Did you seriously just go for d+4,1,3 while you were MINUS 9?
Tekken Novice: Uhh what's minus 9? And i actually went for down circle,square,X and not d+4,1,3
as a tekken normy this speaks to my soul
No.... because I wanted to teach my 13 yo cousin how to play sense he just spammed buttons and didn't understand even lowblock. So I convinced myself instead of 1,2,3,4 say X,Square,Circle, Triangle. (Our control scheme) and half way through he told me to teach him one of my "fancy Lars combos" I said... that's not what you need but sure. First thing out my mouth is UP FORWARD 3... he looked flabbergasted😂
Where can I learn these Tekken terms? I always get lost when they talk like this.
@@loiclabonne5708 Understandably so, a lot of the stuff you hear is not just tekken specific terms but general fighting game terms as well. There's lots of guides you can find on youtube, some channels are even dedicated to teaching it. Look for videos about fighting game notation and frame advantage.
Rooflemonger has some great beginner friendly stuff btw, though he plays a lot of games that are quite different from Tekken.
@@Guirko thanks a lot
This is a general paradox in fighting games. As you improve, and you base your play more and more around the opponent making the same educated decisions as you are, you also open yourself up to 'random' play throwing your gameplan completely off.
You will not be able to predict their decision making based on the same factors you are used to and assumptions about what they can defend or how they will attack will be flawed.
The easiest way to deal with this is to actually let the opponent hang themselves by simply allowing your greater knowledge of the game to shine itself. Turtle and let them expose themselves with unsafe moves and seeable lows. Throw them and expose their lack of throw techs. If they're not stepping forget slower homing moves and overwhelm them with quick mids and lows. If they're not playing to frames then overwhelm them with traps and tempo of button presses in general. If their movement is weak then simply dance around them and force whiff punishes.
You need to dissect and simpifly your gameplan back down to a few components in which you are vastly superior. If not, you will end up double bluffing yourself and overcomplicating the challenge.
Just jab command throw
This is some straight Sajam proverb wtf.
@@R_J8 what do you mean lol
Really good comment. I was going against my girlfriend the other day, who just mashes buttons and has never played fighting games before and she beat me two rounds in a row. It was a whole different world! I have a naturally aggressive mix-up play style but since she wasn’t thinking at all none of my tricks worked, so I had to switch up and play defensive until I could simplify my game plan like you said. She said she didn’t believe that I was good, and I had to convince her that she was just so bad that I didn’t know what to do 😭 so embarassing
@@user-wg1gd5gg7she means, what is your rank?
“Is it okay to be green rank? No. it’s not fucking okay man lol” -some heihachi main
That's why I'm staying at teal
Hahahahaha.
I'm stuck in yellow and now missing my green rank alumni...
dont mine me playing with controller LULW
“Back in my day Vindicators who couldn’t break throws were accused of boosting”- JDCR💀
Funny thing is one of the boosters I met and heard was somewhat known on ps4 was a JDCR low key fan, said he learned through jdcr's teaching, and "stated" he even beat him once. Man cried because all those jabs couldn't handle my backdash cancel and low rank max 2 combos with kazumi. 2 years ago, this same advice for drag resurfaces.
I made vindicator and i am not sure what 1 or 2 is
Y'all just don't know how good y'all got it today. But still don't lab. SMH
Its because if you were Vindicator in arcade days you should be at least Tekken God in tekken 7.
Low ranks in the arcades are AN ENTIRE DIFFERENT scenario
The people who I used to just watch while I was in my arcades local who were Green to (sometimes) Orange are immediately Fujin and up back in S1 when T7 finally got a home release
JDCR feels like he had an existential crisis and thought the low rank ways are effective. We learn new things everyday.
He’s addicted to video games, there’s a lot he doesn’t know.
@@s13shaka you're just trying to hate because you're a jealous blob. You don't know anything about JDCR, we on the other hand know that you've got a girl's ego lmao. Petty asf
@@Demetori_Fan Lol here comes another kid with a gaming addiction. You actually think people care enough about video gaming that you're willing to defend sitting in front of a screen for hours on end everyday as a good thing......pretty pathetic I must say.
@s13shaka bruh this ain't no gaming addiction this is his job and he's good at his job at that
@@anhun9012. You’re a video game addiction simp so obviously this kind of stuff goes over your head.
"If noobs countered you once, they won't know how to counter you again."
So true.
"I am teaching, coaching, or just hitting noobs"
What an absolute legend
JDCR overestimating low ranks abilities to break throws hahaha
I'm red rank.. and not many can break throws.
He's talking about old ranks (before S2). Yellow ranked and above players did actually have ok fundamentals in S1and older Tekkens. The competition was probably several times tougher in Korean arcades like green anyway.
Obviously none of this applies anymore, you have to add like 2-3 rank divisions to old ranks for similar skill level now. Old yellow ranks are red/ruler ranks now. Like JDCR mentioned that his yellow ranked friend is now Fujin in T7.
@@Bilal44 Damn. I'm a Suzaku Yoshimitsu main and to be honest I struggle to see much of a difference in skill purple ranks and below. I think you're right! Fujin is the starting "good rank" these days!
I remember ranking up in Tekken 6/Tekken Tag 2 to be much harder. Maybe it's because I didn't know any moves back then and I just mashed 😂
@@TimeTripper79
I just got to fujin as yoshimitsu, and i cant break throws to save my life. I literally only just started working on throw breaking the other day. At fujin you can at best assume the player can move a bit, and punish at least suboptimally.
shit game with shitty mechanics that nobody wants to learn then everyone cries that there are no newcomers
JDCR radiating boomer energy."BACK IN MY DAY".
Wait, I thought this was a "Boomer Haven"?...
Are we not safe here from youngstahs?
In korea that's 'latte'
"Back in my day"
The boomer energy is oozing out like crazy
Jdcr on tournaments : 😐
Jdcr on UA-cam : 😆
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love how he almost can’t believe they’re not punishing him.
"im not allowed to break throws"
JDCR 2 seconds later "my hands are breaking throws on their own"
it's interesting with JDCR coming from Korean arcade culture with the concept of real-life ranks and respect
i like how JDCR was destroying them but didnt forget to at least praise them for when they did the correct things like changminelee's wall pressure. Exactly why this guy is my favorite pro player
6:55 god this part was so funny, JDCR just said noobs couldn't punish that move and when the move was done by the other player, he also, did not punish and just laughed lmaooo
When the principal visits your classroom:
JDCR 명언
2:55 아니, 당신! -9인데 세퍼레이터 3타를 왜 쓰는거지?
Imagine going on your merry way in player matches just to end up being b̶u̶l̶l̶i̶e̶d̶ taught by non other that JDCR himself.
It is very straightforward.
If the noob doesn't know what he's doing, how will you understand what he's doing?
JDCR having an existential crisis when playing against the red ranked lmao
“What on earth happened to Tekken players discipline?” - JDCR lmaoooo
JDCR talkin like one of those kung fu masters that are very strict on discipline lmao ya love to see it
Ain’t no discipline in the low ranks. It’s a jungle out there
@@juniorfanti3005 facts, idk how it was in the old days tho, this man JDCR said they could break throws in green ranks during his time lmao
@@PyroInferno110 lol it must’ve been a positive and wholesome time. Now it’s just 3 bar connections law, snake edges and ki charging
@@juniorfanti3005 the ki charging is fine, same with snake edges, but dem 3 bars gotta go
@@PyroInferno110 what’s your psn we should go a few rounds
7:32 "Wanna learn how to do a mf infinite?"
I love this person. Next thing you know, JDCR goes "YOU PRESS ONE, THEN TWO, THE A MF QCB!"
JDCR learning mid tech got me crying laughing right now lmao.
Yeah I'm Fujin and I'm still weak on Throws. Muscle memory is hard man.
It's never too late to learn how
It’s not really muscle memory though, it’s more seeing the arms and breaking accordingly. Anyone can do it with active practice!
@@Athena4Lyfe And what happens when you practice something enough times? You commit it to Muscle Memory. JDCR is breaking those throws immediately without thinking whatsoever, if you're thinking about it, you're already too slow, especially with all the other things you're worried about. When I duck and launch a mid high string, that's muscle memory, not reaction.
@@AegisRick Lol You don't think when you're reacting though. If you're breaking throws and it's sorely muscle memory then you're ignoring the reaction to which arm/animation is coming out, how can you decifer if it's a 1,2 or 1+2 throw (which all have different animations) if you're only focused on muscle memory to break the throw? You'll just end up pressing a button but not the correct one. You need to see it, same with your example of the mid and high string, there are reactions involved :)
@@Athena4Lyfe youre kind of reiterating aegis' point. What you're describing is through time spent practicing and playing. Muscle memory or reactions its all relative. It takes consistency at seeing and doing the repeated action. Your kind of arguing just to argue.
Whoever your translator is, they're the goat
The thing with low ranks is they just:
"Random bullshit GOOO!!"
And that's kinda unpredictable and scary ngl
Me: Laughs even though I play just like those newbs massacred by JDCR.
The separator after uf4 is just default combo for me, even if the uf4 get blocked
The player with the best fundamentals teaching cheese xD hilarious!
Does he have the best, or is knee or arslan's better?
All I learned is that I could cheese my way to True Tekken Master with Drag
A bully who stole my lunch money in a fight would say he was teaching me a lesson too!
Shit bro there's still people guess breaking throws in purple and blue ranks. I even faced a Tekken God in player match that had trouble breaking 1+2 throws. Just goes to show that majority of the online casuals players are just terrible at throw breaks in general. I got my Marduk to TGP without even trying.
In fairness, online makes that harder. I can only really break throws if I anticipate them, doing it on reaction is hard to impossible depending on your connection.
Marduk is kinda special because the frame window of the tackle is different to break with 1+2
I mean does the game even teach you about throw breaks? I can't really remember but I think it's just mentioned in a loading screen tip or something. A new player would most likely never figure it out on their own.
@@benskx honestly, i am so a higher rank player with s3 tgp and s4 tekken king and i also i have sometimes trouble to use the right break... When i realise the enemy is using a 1+2 grab, but changes later to regular grabs then i need 1-2 rounds to adjust to it
Tbf Marduk is pretty busted so gettin TGP easily with him doesn’t surprise me, but at the same time it’s a joke in ranked
8:32 Everyone who watches Core-A Gaming just had their neurons activate
(at least the ones who don't already speak Korean, I guess...)
JDCR breaking down like an AI trying to understand a paradoxical phrase.
"Red ranks can break throws....DOES NOT COMPUTE"
Im expected to break all 3 of dragunovus commands throws on a whim when they all come out i13 inhumanly fast. Then, i gotta SEE which arm sticks out AND press the correct break all within 15-18 frames ...?
Yeah , Not gonna happen
I'd agree but I got really good vision I can see his arms and step running 2
Im just guessin all the time sometimes it works, like lili player only use grab that can break by 1+2
I thought you got 20 frames chance of breaking it.
@@mediocreplayer5391 you also need to be cautious of generic throws, you cant break them with 1+2. It will be no problemo if characters like Lili or Kazumi only have 1+2 grabs so you only need to watch out for the both hands.
Get a character with a full throw game on practice mode and put the three command throws
Set the 2 and 1+2 break to 0 and the 1 to 10, then put the timing to random and just watch the animation a lot, and then try breaking it
Then you do the same for the 2 and 1+2 break
This does not help on the reaction as it's predictable but it makes you learn the animation
Now, put the 1 and 2 break to 10 and it'll start mixing you up, NOW you're dealing with reaction
Then do it for 1 and 1+2, 2 and 1+2, and lastly all of the three together
If you do this constantly you'll eventually learn how to break throws
How low ranks work:
Did the move hit? Yes? Do it again.
Did the hit launch? Do the training sample combo.
Did the move get blocked? Do it again but faster.
JDCR is precious. Everytime I lose will to play Tekken I come here and I want to play again. Thank you. For the laughs, for the life lesson, for the boomer talk. I'm serious, thank you :D
Hes the best, you watch him play so calmly and wonder how you ever get tilted lol
At the end, that King player finally repeated his counter that worked before (b+1), but evaded it with d+2 lol. This whole vid was hilarious.
Bold of you to asume we know what we're doing
14:19 well... I am at Raijin now and I still have a hard time reacting to command throws, hardest shit in this game for sure
It's definitely not the hardest
@@AfroKing. Grab breaking is definitely the hardest defensive maneuver in this game.
@@UndefeatableKing Yeah it's difficult to learn but it's definitely not the hardest. Learning anything in tekken requires time and effort
@@AfroKing. You keep saying that, what's harder than grab breaking?
@@UndefeatableKing Good movement(more so specifically on the SS aspect) and whiff punishing properly. Throw breaking is fairly hard but there are plenty of ways you can get around it even with bad throw breaks or even if you can atleast break 1+2 throws. There's plenty in high blue ranks who can't break throws at all.
Am I missing something on the "Red rank" section? The guy was vanguard, a green rank.
Thank you, JDCR! For always informing and entertaining us!
On today's episode JDCR loses all hope in Tekken players.
JDCR felt the feelings of good player that just starting out Tekken...
I love how JDCR slowly came to the same conclusion as all the low rank players: Scrubby flowchart and hope they cant deal with it xD
"psychological distress about the fact that he's right" good lord that caption was good xD
People who started tekken since tekken 7 have hard time breaking throws even on higher ranks because the game has no tutorial. I used to just mash either 1+3 or 2+4 when grabbed because I thought the break works when you do it at the same time as the grab like in street fighter. Also I didn’t know how to do toe kick or roll or get up right away etc until I got to overlord. All because the game doesn’t tell you about it. People don’t even know if that’s a mechanic. Only way to find out is either someone who you are fighting uses it or watch streams before even playing.
Not true. You can also learn by researching your character and the game.
IMO I feel like the lower ranks in his region are light years better than lower ranks in NA
1:59 "I can't stop breaking throws, even if I want to"
*I w a n t i t t h e n*
늘 다시 보게되는 마약영상
"Local legend rapidly loses sanity by doing what he does best"
This brings back memories of my friend using a launcher that ended up being - 30 something frames (he got hit by a move that puts you massively -), my other friend who is really into frame data got so mentally broken by that launch into wall combo that he ended up losing that round lol
"Lee Chaolan players have a certain personality trait." * thinking of Miirio & Imyourfather * he's got a point
Fighting GM being a douchebag sometimes in his own way 😂
Lol I got hit by a stray bullet when the Vindicator used separator. I would've done the same since my logic is to go for a low string and I'm not thinking about the minus frames at all
JDCR, in my opinion, you're the most entertaining Tekken Professional Player.
I like watching your insane gameplays, and you seem like a funny guy too!
“Command grabs are my block punish.” Damn, I didn’t know JDCR was a DOA player.
so funny watching JDCR bullying low rank players
2:18 뱅퀴셔입니다. 잡기 못풉니다. 스네이크 보고 맞습니다. 저는 작업인가 봅니다...ㅠ
나,,때는,,말이야,,,
JDCR is so used to high and pro level, he forgot Mind games don't work on low level players.
The thing is that you can't possibly predict something when someone who does that thing has no idea what he's doing to begin with. Especially when they're on 3-4 bar, or even more so WiFi
Sitting in an Ivory Tower... it's hard to understand Commoners playing without a Mindset or a Gameplan...
Playing low ranks I understood that learning basics and combos is not effective, taking eddy, Chloe, Lee and spamming random strings which go up and down is effective
I have a theory on why that red rank couldn't break generic throws. It might be because that player already had the muscle memory to break 1+2 (like me), and just couldn't adapt to break generic throws. This is pretty common in the low orange to low (maybe mid) red ranks.
I'm virtually invincible to generic throws (but not command grabs) because of the number of Kings that beat my ass with their string into throw combos. I spam command throws (because I'm a Steve player) to stop pressure a lot and it works 90% of the time.
Do I beat King players reliably now? No, not really. BrOkeN cHarACTer. But it helps.
제가 잡다님 영상으로만 10년이상은봤는데 이영상이 제일즐거워보이네요....불쌍한철린이들ㅠㅠ
What I hate in this game are the green ranks,everyone play Law ever since I was on that rank too and after all these mounths when I'm playing with my green rank mains they all use the same moves.
@@qweqweqwadcsc Bryans are common in orange ranks as well
@@mrego886 Yeah, they are mostly free
this is definitely one of jdcrs best video next to the one jab vid
The evil laught at 00:38 made me spit a lung
_"I shouldn't break throws? I break throws even if I don't want to. It's automatic."_
Legend
low rank logic: -8 means I hopkick, -9 means I use a mid-launch, ... -14 ... I rage art
2:59 "아니 당신" 모먼트
I Actually learnt so much from this, all beginners should watch this
Korean man slowly loses his sanity.
I hit mighty ruler and couldn't break throws
2:59 this is why I looked up "JDCR vs noobs" because I noticed in high ranks he plays in his opponent respects frames so he dashes in their face and delays his attack whereas noobs would just keep mashing and hit him lol
JDCR: Why wouldn't you use the xxx move at -9 frame instead of etc.
Me: Yeah, what he said.
Breaking throws is a hardest thing in this game.
lol some of these guys are really bad but the game also doesn't teach you how to play
Once this great pool legend Efren Reyes said, he enjoys watching newbies play. Because you never know what new n inventive tricks they came up with
1년만 빨리 이 영상을 만들어줬으면 철권을 하는 일은 생기지 않았을텐데
jdcr is lecturing lows with his 30$ haircut
어찌보면 이게 격겜의 딜레마임
옵치, 배그는 철권이랑 비교해서 로지컬보단 피지컬이 더 중요한 게임이고 암기, 연습량이 철권보다 적을수 밖에 없음
실제로 철권은 고인물소리 들으려면 년단위론 해야 되는데 에이펙스 레전드는 출시 1주일만에 고인물들 생기기 시작함
그렇다고 뉴비 친화적으로 만들면 2020 EVO 재팬 리로이 사태되는거고
너무 고인물 친화적으로 만들면 버츄어 파이터꼴나는거고
이것도 맞는말인데 프레임표같은걸 돈주고 파는것도 이해안됌
맞음.. 격겜은 암기를 넘어 체화해서 손이 먼저 반응하도록 해야하는데, 이게 너무 오래걸리는 작업임.
JDCR realizing the strength of online flowcharts
It’s honestly a good idea to play all types of ranks because of stuff like we see here in this video. Low ranks will help you with your reflexes and reactions because they are so random and so simple. It’s like playing in slow motion in the low ranks. It’s all uncoordinated and they are just fearless so instead of being able to do simple things like quick movements and feints don’t work because they’re just going press buttons as soon as your in range. It forces you to really see and react. When you play higher ranks, they all play super fast and they tend to coordinate a lot more with movement, they tend to have flowcharts, they all tend to watch and learn from the other top players, so it’s like you find your opponents rythym, then you find their habits, and you kinda go from there. It becomes a guessing game with not much randomness. Conclusion is that it’s very good to be able to break your rythym and uncoordinate with your opponent. Move slow, then explode with speed, on wake up sometimes you get up fast, sometimes you just lay down without getting up for a long time and just use roll to evade and really pick the best time to wake up. Move fast a whole round. Then the next round move slow. Always break your opponents rhythm. Most people fight in a rhythm.
10:59
Dragunov doing a DP LMAO I CANT
He excepting throw breaks from Yellow ranks in game where even some Fujins get mix-up-ed by grabs.
love your videos - keep on going!
평생을 고계급에 계셨으니 무지몽매한 우리의 심리를 모르실 수밖에😂
Damn he still rocking the Edgar cut lol
Top players should never forget they are standing on the shoulders of 1st dan GIANTS
JDCR making Tekken look like DOA with these grab punishes
In these days a low rank just added me on steam after losing 3 matches. He was angry because i am more defensive (when i play Armor King) and he was litterally accusing me because i've always punished and didn't mash.
So, for him i was a coward and i had to mash with him face to face, he just told me this. He was a player with honor, me a coward, this game has to be played like he says. Moving and punish your opponent for his mistakes is for cowards, jeez. *Cringe time*
Edit: he lost 13 match streak after he added me and sh1t talked all the time.
At least i had some fun with this story
No such thing is honor in Tekken. It’s a dirty, grimy game. You should have told him that you won and that’s what mattered regardless of how he felt about it. Then ignored him. Playing a low rank who refuses to learn and acknowledge they need improvement and is bad mouthing you is a waste of time.
"Low rank players..."
!! He's talking about me!!
7:37 this was actually the string I completed whole arcade mode with in Tekken DR on psp, for some reason AI couldn't block the low ever :D
In all seriousness, Besides watching pros and studying , what's the best way to gain Tekken Discipline?
First things first, Understand your mains most powerful and weakest trait, go into practice a lot. If you're relying on a single move or a single string and hoping that it'll save you, try and break that habit. And finally, go into practice and learn to break throws
first time i have seen youtube CC actually be good lol
The best mindgame is no mind game. UNGA BUNGA
현직 숫자단입니다 잡기가 방향키로 푸는줄 알았습니다
세상에ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ