Here’s my defense of Starbase Yorktown: It’s supposed to look utterly and impossibly ludicrous, in-universe. Don’t look at it as an idealistic engineering choice or a defensible location or really anything on a day-to-day practical level. Because, sure, it’s bad on those levels. Look at it, instead, as the Federation’s version of gunboat diplomacy. Starbase Yorktown says “Oh, this? Yeah, it’d be politically annoying to have a land-based structure in this area, so we figured it’d be easier to make this impossibly gorgeous snowglobe installation. Yeah, opaque walls would make it more secure, but we’ve got other defenses to cover it. And sure, it’s not a super-efficient use of resources, but we’re kinda post-scarcity, so we can afford to be pretty wasteful for aesthetic reasons. Now then, do you want to be our friends? Do you want to join our club and get some of this tech?” It’s a giant diplomatic swinging dick. And yeah, its a bit arrogant as the film would go onto show, but that’s the beauty of it. It’s meant to show the full extent of Federation technology in a non-miliaristic manner. Because, yeah, picture if you were someone in this universe, you’re used to more traditional Trek-tech stuff, and then you stepped into the middle of this place. Would you want to pick a fight with a group that can just throw something like this together in the middle of nowhere? Or would you want to join them and get some of those wonders for yourself?
If _that_ was the core logic for it's creation, then I'd say SB Yorktown is totally legit. Even so, the most absurd flaws pointed out by SCS *still stand*. 'Looking cool' is *NO* defense for engineering in critical / fatal design flaws.
@@ironwolfF1 : I personally suspect that the station's designers would agree, and that the active defenses represent how little they were able to "misappropriate" from the budget before their hands got swatted.
That! plus he even mentions the magic like tech. It's going to carry into structures too not just teleportation an replicators. These people literally can bend gravity and make anything... I'm sure they have took note and probably didn't make the panels to be as fragile as glass. He's right about things you see through are going to be weaker but it's not enough to even matter and also upping defenses to compensate
@@jonathanw5100 ~transparent aluminum~ ooooooo, Anyway, having the shipyard in the middle is still a problem. Having the paths is not, going with this explanation, as flying your ship through a city is cool, but putting the place for damaged ships, the ones with a high chance of going out of control, in such a place is not sound in any way.
In a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE?!? Shame on them! You're right though. Most of the audience won't have a clue, and if you look at most NASA hardware it's extremely boring looking, almost as if practicality trumped aesthetics. But in the case of Star Trek, it's the opposite. It doesn't have to whatever the laws of physics. It's a film prop. If it looks cool, then it has succeeded. Same reason film stars are usually good looking, even though real people usually aren't. And a million other things in films that aren't real. Warp drive, for example. Or universal translators, handily obviating the need for translators all over the place ruining the dialogue. The operative word in "science fiction" is FICTION, over and over again. Maybe our moaning trekkie friend wants to read "hard" scifi. I say read, because very few films exist in that genre, The Martian being the only one I can think of.
@@greenaum True, movie designs don't have to be completely realistic and adhere to the laws of physics, but they should at least look plausible and believable. TThis giant hamster ball in space does not look the least bit plausible or believable and little to none of it makes any sense.
Well to be fair to the Yorktown, considering how big it is, it has so much atmosphere in it that any puncture would probably take so long to vent a noticable amount of atmosphere that it could be repaired long before it becomes a problem. That said, it's way too vulnerable to intentional attack which would likely be able to put a significantly larger number of punctures then one
Yep, I was about to comment the same thing. Yorktown being as big as it is, even a 100m hole would probably take a decade before the loss was even a concern for most people (although I hope they'd not be idiots and fix it asap). Still a terrible design for a star base, with that much material they could have built a handful of O'Neil cylinders and be better for it, even have a dedicated one strictly related to ship engineering.
No not at all if a ship crashed through the side of the station it would decompress in a matter of seconds. Spacecraft don't and space suits don't operate at the same PSI as Earth they usually have about 1/7 the atmosphere pressure.
@@markcostello5120 When you punch a hole in a object that is pressurized it will violently decompress. You won't get sucked out through a bullet hole in a aircraft but it isn't going to stay the size of a bullet hole. Space craft it will occur much faster as your going from a atmosphere to a vacuum where atmosphere is non existent.
I'd like to add transparent aluminum to the equation. Yes, space fantasy, but technically the see through bits ARE as strong as the non see through bits
To be fair, sticking glass-bottomed infrastructure uncomfortably close to dangerous environmental features so that we can get an adrenalin high from vertigo is kinda what humans _do._ You didn't think Starfleet practically abandoning the concept of having their replicator-equipped vessels use drones and unmanned probes in favor of window-covered apartments and scenic bars with floor-to-ceiling windows directly to space came from nowhere, did you?
The idea that starfleet represents the whole federation yet is absolutely human centric is an issue with most of the franchise. At least early TOS seems to cast the ship and crew as being almost strictly a human venture with alien allies, by the time the films come around its abundantly clear that this is a multi species organization. Funny enough star trek Enterprise both digs this hole deeper and clarifies why it might be so in universe. Thanks to ENT we know that starfleet WAS a completely human entity at one point, the style of the technology is established well before the federation is a thing. The remaining question is why upon founding the federation was the human starfleet chosen as the military branch? My theory is it was justified the same way the early US government justified a standing navy while rejecting a standing army, (an army is able to occupy and conquer a place while a navy is not) So, this new political entity is made mostly of races with history that includes mistrust and war. Someone's bound to object to a recent enemies fleet having free access to their space let alone relying on them entirely for defense. So the compromise is earth starfleet, the new kid with no grudges or bad blood, and their capabilities are blunted enough compared to the other members that they don't pose a serious threat at the start. In the event of an actual war the disparate fleets will come together, while starfleet does the job of patrol and exploration. Largely because it's humans that want to explore and because they are not a fleet of big guns poking around in the dark. Over time they become more integrated, the other races retain their fleets locally but rely on starfleet beyond their own borders. And that's why we see mostly humans on visually human ships, because the shows are all about the frontier, not checking in on local allies defensive capabilities. Still doesn't explain why we have yet to see ANY fucking Vulcans help out when earth is getting spanked!
Honestly, I still find it easiest to assume there are more Andorians and Tellarites etc in Starfleet than makeup budgets permitted, and it's kind of an oversight that we never seem to see much of predominantly-Andorian or too many Vulcan ships even referred to. I could buy that Starfleet likes to make a lot of ships based each on one culture/species and then mix things up a little from there, and that there may well just be more Human based ships cause Humans seem more prolific than most Federation species, but there's still more 'aliens' than we see on camera . And there's also the fact that apparently Earth threw almost all their endeavors under Starfleet purview, but the Vulcans have like all kinds of science council and high command ships absorbing a lot of people (and ship names,) and the Andorians still have a Guard, and the Tellarites have like a big merchant marine and likely a lot of Corps of Engineers types. (So I figure a lot of Starfleet ships have Earth based names cause everyone else is still *using* a ton of their traditional ship names for their own fleets, little factors like that.) And I agree that a lot of things are probably pretty Earth centric just because Humans seem to be the folks everyone else could agree on dealing with in the first place. ) As for the huge 'Just cause it's f'n cool' Yorktown starbase, that's kind of how Abramsverse seems to try to do everything. I bet the original series would have made starbases that cool if they had the means, though. Maybe with a bit less grandiosity and 'necro-nebulas.' That movie didn't really seem to have a strong plot, just a desire to string together all kinds of cinematic wows somehow.
I think it was mentioned more than once that there were plenty of starfleet ships that had mostly non human crews as it was easier to taylor life support requirements etc. To different groupings of races. Its just the shows didn't do a very good job of depicting this whether due to budget or forgetfulness on the part of the writers.
The Federation was formed right after Earth finished a major war with the Romulans, and the humans had a large fleet to contribute. As for the human centric aspect, the OG federation memer species had the longest time to spread to colonies and raise their population. So the real question is why we havent seen more Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellerites.
@@danielboatright8887 Well, Rick Berman, I believe it was, just didn't like Andorians and thought they looked silly, so that basically kept them offscreen in TNG, Telllarites need a lot of makeup, particularly for 'extras' so we didn't see much of them, and they basically had characters occsionally you might wonder if they were Telllarite, cause they hadn't gotten a look down. I do figure that in-universe the member worlds' own space endeavors take up a lot of their pools of spacers. But it always comes down to budgets and what writers find familiar.
they kinda covered it, barely, between TV and 'tech manuals', and it kinda makes sense with the Andorians preferring colder, the Vulcans warmer, the Benzite a different air mix basically due to differences in climate, atmosphere, etc, while they do run some joint ships(some for show, some the requirements are close enough) and starbases(easier to accommodate a deck, for diplomatic reasons) they elude to it in small ways the Andorians still having the guard the Vulcans still having the science council, who still have their own fleet(but we don't see many of those ring ships), the science council that think the strange and new can be studied from sensors and then never rechecked or updated(ignoring a comet in Enterprise that turned out to have some insanely rare mineral iirc, entire stellar objects missing from the database), so the status quo ones join the Science Council, the 'immature ones'(read with thoughts and questions of their own) join Starfleet a purely Vulcan crew on a Nebula class ship visiting DS9 for example(the baseball episode) Mordok, being the first Benzite in Starfleet despite them being a Federation member for like 100yrs by then and needing a special breathing device(TNG ep) if you were to get into a space battle and your breather damaged you die from whatever(say lack of methane in the air) while the ship is still 90+% intact including working life support so they run a semi standardized ship design, and just set the air/temp/gravity
The Yorktown station actually makes slightly more sense than the rest of the movie but between how much less sense everything else makes in the film and how over the top it looks this fact is easy to miss. It's placement is 1000% gonzo bonkers and the rational for that is just lazy BS (SW, anyone?) but remember that clear outer shell is about as strong as a starship hull, just clear. Now it's meant to be a homey rest stop out on the _fringe_ where you get a lot of the feel of being on a planet. A better line would be there are no nearby member worlds to support this _exploration base_ but whatever. All that empty volume is really air storage making it very hard to lose much atmosphere quickly unless whatever is making holes in your station basically chews it all up in a few seconds. Otherwise there could be a hundred holes big enough to fly shuttles through and there would still be soo much air that anyone "outside" of the airtight buildings would have loads of time to get indoors before the air is too thin to support life. The crazy multiple angles is a way of making fuller use of all that volume and reducing the surface area while still getting you that nice feeling of not being cooped up in a metal can for five years straight. Unfortunately the glitz and lense flare obscure the few well considered aspects with unnecessary layers of cool.
Recoup its costs? Nah, don't you remember - the Federation did away with the concepts of money. All of that was built by people with a burning desire to make a floating glass ball near the Death Cloud. Sort of a futuristic version of "will it blend?"
The nebula is really the part that throws me. I mean, it's all a story, and they could have called that nebula whatever they wanted. But no. We're going to go with the Dead/Dying Cloud Nebula. Wat.
Everything costs something. The Federation doesn't use money for day-to-day interactions because their technology automatically gathers and manufactures more than enough stuff for everyone's day-to-day lives. That doesn't mean they are somehow freed from the conservation of mass/energy. Make no mistake, something insanely immense like this has steep costs. Sure, there's no money to easily express just how much, but nonetheless It costs time, it costs dilithium to generate the power for the replicators and ships involved in this, it costs ships and talent to get things moved around and built.
They had to trade for that metal to create that oversized sphere of doom, and the 33km diameter means there's enough metal to either build a Death Star or a whole fleet of Constitution-class or 23rd-century Sovereign or Prometheus-class starships. I'd rather make another 2009-style starbase than a massive worthless snow globe when you can at least defend yourself with a smaller station
@@Ithirahad True. Also virtually every vision of a society without "money" that I've heard described usually just has some other thing that functionally serves as currency of some sort and then the creator just vehemently denies that said thing is "money". And often times that thing is actually worse than regular money because it's usually limited in what you can buy and it's usually rationed by the government in return for some sort of behavior or "good civic" record or something and suddenly then you realize this supposed utopia with no money the author is imagining is actually just a benevolent totalitarian regime at best.
@@andrewmalinowski6673 Well, they didn't necessarily have to *trade* for it, ...Actually maybe for the same reason there's a 'necro-nebula' meant they had a bunch of smashed-up planetary debris they found there and just went a little nuts with building big out of it. (Still seems like an awfully big 'city' to have just sprung up that fast, though. )
I don't know. I liked how imaginative it was in its design. Kind of a love letter to the bubbly optimistic futurism that Gene Roddenberry believed that Star Trek represented. It was very unconventional in a way that grabbed my attention. Now, for being a big snowglobe, it would have been fun to have it subvert expectations in having the movie's card-carrying villain attempt an assault against its seemingly vulnerable exterior only to find that it's protected by an extremely robust shield system. To which one of the station commanders would reply, "Do you think we'd really build a snowglobe on the frontier and leave it completely unprotected?"
Yeah York Town was weird impractical and over the top. However that's what made it so brilliant, sadly most trek writers fail to grasp the kind of crazy over the top things starfleet and the federation could build when you have replicators a decent amount of automation and no need to worry about money. In fact it should be considered unrealistic for starfleet to not have a lot more of theses crazy megaprojects like radiotelescopes the size of stars to observer other galaxies, Dyson spheres collecting solar power to produce unlimited amounts of free antimatter etc.
@@SacredCowShipyards actually given the weird architectural stuff we've built in the previous decades here in the real world I think this thing make perfect sense, the federation would build something this insane and complex just to show that they could granted it's location makes no god damn sense this starbase would/should be located at the meeting point of several major trade lanes or in an area where the Federation could show everyone the superiority of federation technology and culture
@@SacredCowShipyards just make strong enough redundant(infallible) shields and you will be OK! This is ST so in it's universe technology is basically godlike/omnipotent.... the station is most likely protected by many many forcefields.... and, since planet destroying weapons very much exist, it's no less protected than an average planet. The asteroids are a resource of extra matter, possibly even such unreplicatable resources as dilithium. as for being on the edge of the universe... I believe this is more a Hong-Kong or Singapore of that Universe... the remote location is why you build something so advanced there.... also, it's a political message Starfleet is sending.
@@DrewLSsix Sure the 115 years of exploration from 1492 to 1607 made north america "uncharted territory". How many colonies still died? I said in their right mind. Fleeing religious persecution doesn't really leave you many choices.
To be fair, that is kind of what Babylon 5 is about; and that is considered one of the greatest Sci-Fi series ever. But to be double fair, that it was build in uncontested space was the whole point of the station.
Yeah, maybe I missed it in all the lens flare, but did they even mention on screen why this madman's snowglobe filled with "normies" was placed way out in BFE next to the giant cloud of death asteroids?? Had this been a Starfeet base (ships, personnel and whatnot) and/or a science lab (white coats and pocket protectors, etc.) I could have understood. The science guys would want to study the cloud up close and the Starfleet guys would love the sensor jamming as free camouflage from the bad guys. What was shown looked more like a Macy's department store mixed with a condo resort for family vacations with a shipyard/repair base buried under it. (Missed opportunity though, they should have put a swimming pool/bubble in one of those convergence dead spots.) TBH, can't bash it too hard though cause it looked fricken' cool!!
Yorktown's transparent hull was durable enough that the only location they damaged and eventually broke through were the spacedoors, which presumably says something.
Okay, I don't like this thing any more than anyone else... But that's not glass. Star Trek IV established in the 80s that starship windows are "Transparent Aluminium". And while the JarJar-verse is a split-off timeline, it's still a divergence from the old star trek and it can be assumed quite easily that the sphere is at least several meters of TA. The real problem with Yorktown's design is that it _appears_ to only have one layer of transparent space soap bubble and is not compartmentalized to help isolate and contain an outer hull breach. If I were to modify this design, I would have the transparent bubble both layered three or four times so it looked like an onion, and I would have it compartmentalized on latitude and longitude lines so as to mitigate breaches. Even then, some math that's been done on O'Neil Cylinders suggest that even a decent sized hull breach would take quite a bit of time to vent the atmosphere. One really has to wonder where they got the volume of air to fill a 30 km sphere to one atmosphere. That's where the fun logistics come in. Imagine the tanker-starships that look like gas canisters coming to fill that thing up upon finishing construction. Everything else I can tolerate. The station is obviously designed for aesthetics to feel like a planet-side city, and engineers can down a few beers after having to deal with that kind of technical complexity. And the docking area, while I question making it go right through the middle of the sphere and intersection with other docking 'spokes' as a traffic problem, is not going to be a hazard to the residence around it. After all, it's not a runway, and starships are not airplanes. A ship has no pressing need to dock YESTERDAY to deal with damage, and it certainly doesn't have to dock while _on fire._ I mean, if your ship, is _on fire,_ in *_SPACE,_* to the point you have to come screaming in for emergency docking procedures with a station? I question your fire-fighting intelligence, slap you in the back of the head, and send you to play a few hours of playing FTL to learn how to firefight _in space._ (Hint: Fire needs oxygen to burn, so...) About the only legitimate threat I would consider is if the ship is snug deep in the docking bay in the middle of a station, a warp core breach would blow the whole station to smitherines like a giant frag grenade. But that's a hazard for any given station with internal docking options. Like Earth Space Dock. And I LOVE Earth Space Dock.
What's more, transparent aluminum is just what Scotty would have used for the whale tank. The existence of one transparent metal presupposes the existence of other transparent metals. We know that aluminum can be made transparent with heat, but now there are actual companies making transparent aluminum using a far more flexible (if flawed) process, and we're still only in the early part of the 21st century. What will we able to do with metal in 23rd century? Why not transparent titanium?
Here's the thing. Transparent aluminum already exists and we even used it in the Space Shuttle. It's more accurately called sapphire glass since sapphire is pretty much aluminum oxide crystals.
Its a glass ball with a gyroscope that stalled out then living space built on. Its the greatest thing ever built that needs to be compressed to a cube.
To be honest, the Federation absolutely could build something like this with no issues, and probably did. Considering how nice they are, it was probably some school competition to design the next star base, and the winner was so out there that Star Fleet engineers were charmed by it and just build it as a technical challenge. And then of course, because it looks amazing, people wanted to live on it anyway.
Given what we see of the starfleet corps of engineers in their books, and just out of starfleet engineers in the shows? They definitely saw the design and got absurdly hyped about trying to make it work.
My inner techpriest is REEEEEEEing at the amount of _wasted space_ in Starbase Yorktown. Just... ugh. Meanwhile, my inner Ork is giggling at the idea of driving an aptly-named "Brute Ram Ship" straight through that outer bubble just to see what would happen (and out the other side, because reasons).
Oh huh, and here I thought I was being original when designing my own glass bubble in the sky. To my defence, this one was based on "We have this weird artifact that generates pretty shallow gravity well out there what can we do with it", located in a backwater system with no strategic significance and populated by birds who just want to have place to fly about and not care about _groundling things_ like money or politics.
Federation staships carry continent-destroying canon phasers and torpedoes. An accidental discharge from any weapon can be catastrophic to that station.
@@SacredCowShipyards They have personal teleporter stations for public use. Why do they need ships to be dock below the living quarters? It'll be safer for the ships to in orbiting smaller stations around the big one and have the crew teleport between the structures. I've been watching Enterprise and Voyager recently and the bad guys(the Suliban and Borg respectively) live in huge bases made from interconnected ships or stations. Sounds much more logical to me.
@@dareka9425 Starfleet in general has a hard-on for stations that contain their ships, for some reason. Just look at StarBase 1, where the Enterprise got refit and the Excelsior was being built. I mean, they were /literally/ finishing up the build on the Excelsior /inside/ of a massive starbase for... reasons? Because, y'know, a warp core spontaneously losing containment because Seaman Schmuckatelli dropped a wrench into the antimatter stream is totally not something to worry about when you're surrounded by thousands (millions?) of people?
@@dareka9425 Another aspect I forgot until I saw this video is that those docking tubes stop being useful for EVERY ship larger than the tubes. Second side aspect: one wrong turn, one twitch at the helm, and you could kill hundreds to millions.
I guess nobody suggested to JJ to watch the TNG episode I believe was called "Relics" where the Enterprise from TNG came across Montgomery Scott stuck on the surface of a dyson sphere within a transport matrix...
Designs like this seem to be the reason for every war in the Gundam universe. The space colony that’s basically a wheel with a glass dome usually gets straight up obliterated by a single nuke or it’s damaged by a battle so badly to end point there is a massive decompression event that tears it apart.
I get that everyone likes to see out, but they showed the... "surface" of the Yorktown having blue sky over it, which /completely/ removes the utility of having all that glass, aside from "look what we can do".
At least the Gundam colonies were designed for practical living. Its like man made islands. Even Battleship cannons and anti ship missiles will sink it.
At least in Gundam they knew that a pressurized atmosphere getting destroyed means death to anyone unlucky enough to get sucked out into the cold void of space, Aside from the first episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam and Gundam Seed I can't really say I've seen anything that showed a colony being blown up by "explosive decompression." Edit: rewording and expansion
In the UC, the Space Colonies are giant cylinders but they have a separate section designed as a space port/hanger away from the massive living section. In the AC, Space Colonies are more so like a larger version of DS9 (various shapes in that style), or you could go just completely all out with over exaggeration with Mobile Fighter G Gundam and have floating islands in space.
I look at this craft. And am immediately reminded of french Dreadnaughts and PreDreadnaughts. A design team who design by committee and has far too much money to spend, and forget that trying to be unique just makes life hard! And as a tribute to the Yorktown... Where are the swarm of angry bees to defend the core station?
The first thing that popped into my head, was, "how do you give someone directions to get from anywhere, to anywhere else?" It's probably a little easier because transporters, but still.
@SacredCowShipyards As someone who's way of navigating can be summed up as "walk in general direction until I see it/something else that I can orient from" because I can never remember even simple street names, I'll stick with the teleporters. Or staying home.
Ok my suspension of disbelief is now completely broken now that it has been pointed out to me. And I thought the worst thing was giving a cadet command of a heavy cruiser instead of someone who had graduated from the academy and had some experience. I love the visuals though .
Vis-a-vis the air escape thing, you should check out Isaac Arthur who addressed this issue on an O'Neill Cylinder (of which this "Yorktown" is ultimately derivative).
If you’re doing space fortresses too, may I suggest/recommend Iserlohn Fortress, and the smaller sibling Geiersburg Fortress? Spherical fortresses that are actually well design and functional, and they both work for what they did. Made for a show where every major character is amazingly competent at what they do.
My thought on seeing the thing was: Somebody laid down a rule of "No trying to destroy a planet. Everyone does that." And so, lacking any better ideas, they dodged the rule by making a space station with the same population as a planet.
It's a bloody monstrosity, given the chance I'd rearrange all the rings to be parallel and only keep the buildings on the tops. Then I'd build a goddamn hull around the whole thing and have big windows in it.
on the issue of the starbase being placed next to a nebula with a scary name; humans do that every once in a while. The port of Wilmington North Carolina is located on the Cape Fear river and right next to the "Graveyard of the Atlantic"
As a Trek fangirl (and one who unironically enjoyed Enterprise, and the Enterprise references in Beyond), I'm glad *someone* said this about Yorktown, because I thought I was the only one thinking it.
I think that Yorktown was a weird name choice for a massive artificial planet thing, considering as the real USS Yorktown was pretty much sacrificed during WW2 to win a strategic battle against the Japanese.
Just imagine if that thing lost power and the artificial gravity failing due to that. Or worse, a section lost power but not the one overhead, now their gravity will pull peale, buildings, everything towards it....
JJ needs something with a little more "oomph" than a shock device as incentive to not go batshit insane on any cinematic aspect. Like a cortical micro-bomb implanted in his cabeza. If his excitatory neurotransmitters reach a critical level, head go boom. -
I thought the idea was to make it look really vulnerable to the bad guy with a fleet of ships that could ignore ST shields and cut through a starfleet ship like a chainsaw. Except then he went to the trouble of creating a nanovirus war weapon to do it instead.
To be totally fair, after Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, it's pretty safe to say that the Yorktown's outer skin is probably made out of a transparent metal.
Ah yes. Station Yorktown. The station built around an animatic, by a director who just wanted to make big-budget music videos. With surplus lens flare. Wait! Maybe that's what all that useless volume is for! To contain the Lensflarium!
I would personally argue that something like this could exist in Star Trek, except it would be the equivalent of a gated community for the people with stupid amounts of power or the rough equivalent of the ultra rich. Although I do take issue with the fact that there is only one sphere around the thing holding the atmosphere in, because realistically there would probably be at least another one that would have at least some gases in it so that it doesn't vent straight out into space and then quite possibly a third one with radiation shielding that would act as a double failsafe. Edit: yeah I'm not going to defend the shipyard inside of the bubble
There are no ultra rich in the federation. The federation doesn't even use money except for exterior trade arrangements. It's a totally level society where all position is based on elections or merit.
that's something I've always thought, the Federation is meant to represent the whole earth planet yet there is almost only US and British names, barely no Asian names, no german names, barely any russian, barely any portuguese and not to mention any south american or hispanic name.
I mean you have the Armitage and Akira classes whose whole line is anime references. So at least Japan's got some pull when it comes to federation ship names
Having Yorktown be a starbase name by itself is dumb, the Enterprise A was the renamed USS Yorktown, per Gene Rodenberry. Which makes even more sense given that while making Star Trek he had the Yorktown be the main ship in early drafts. Basically, the writing for the JJ Verse was shit.
I had no idea Roddenberry ever said that out loud. You're literally only the second person I've seen reference that the Yorktown must be the NCC-1701A.
@@barrybend7189 OK, but what of it? The JJ trek movies tend to borrow elements from TOS and the TOS movies, not TNG. Here, specifically an association between kirk looking to get posted to Yorktown like a shadow reference to him getting the Yorktown from ST4 as the replacement enterprise.
I get the feeling that calling it a glass sphere is giving them too much credit... I bet they used force fields or shields to hold in the air and everyone is seriously one power outage away from death.
The various segments might be different environments for member species of the Federation. We know that some require different gravity and many that prefer different temperatures and humidities.
technobable is an underated artform. It's purpose is to act as a stand in for technology that the characters know and understand, but we the modern day people, have no hope of accurately interpreting or understanding how it would or does work. Magical technologies are both a prediction of what is to come, and an inspiration to those who would invent the next generation of technology. As such, magic level technology in sci-fi is not without it's merrits. This station though, is INSANE!
How does the anti-gravity work in Star Trek anyway? Is it like little tiles in the floor working off a gravitational equivalent of a peltire junction? Or is it fueled with element 115 or some sort of dark matter? Also, why build an enclosed structure when you have artificial gravity? Just build a gravity generator (whatever the tech) to make a decent size gravity well and collapse that nebula into a little planetoid and do some land scaping.
In reference to the starbase we see in Wrath of Kahn (giant mushroom), it seems impractical, but does make sense as a port of entry for people going to Earth so they don’t land directly on the planet. Docking ships inside seems silly, but it can allow an entire ship’s crew to disembark without concern while staying in orbit would require a skeleton crew at all times. Yorktown was impracticality large. Let’s say you want an “open air” space for residents. Imagine the giant mushroom except instead of a spaceport, they make it a large artificial environment to simulate being on earth. That makes some sense. Yorktown has an abundance of wasted space they way it’s designed.
Macross with its colony ships have at least a better excuse for larger enclosure. Especially the Island class colony ships as they double as prefab cities and terraforming structures.
This happens with nearly all newer/rebooted/franchise movies. They put a lot of effort into designing things but totally ignoring logic, common sense established and lore.
This thing seems like a giant target where the civilian population was put on it for the explicit purpose to serve as meat shields for the shipyard inside. The ones making the decision for its creation must have been thinking that most other great powers would rather not take the PR hit that attacking this thing would cause, and any enemy who does would get the Pearl Harbor effect of the entire federation population standing behind the war for revenge on them.
Necro-cloud filled with asteroids... Asteroids! Even if you manage to vaporize a multi-million tonne of rock heading toward that pretty little soap bubble, you still have millions of tonnes of rock micro-particles headed your way. It would make far more sense to have a net of combined deflector/tractor beams that would move incoming asteroids to a staging area where they would be refined into ship parts and future soap bubbles.
AND your sensors can't adequately penetrate the mess of the nebula, which means all those wonderful defensive satellites will have no early warning as to something headed their way. Granted, this was a plot point in the movie, so at least they thought of that.
@@SacredCowShipyards short range navigation and proximity censors could do the job. Plus if a socially awkward Ferengi could think of a self replicating minefield Starfleet could make a multilayer astroid defense network.
Always thought starbases were “named” using a combination of letters and numbers.. ie “Starbase Sierra (S) 649” or “Starbase K-47”… about the only ones I know of that broke that standard were “Spacedock/Earth Spacedock” also known as Starbase 1, or “Deep Space Nine”…which could actually be referred to as “DS-9”….
The rate that the atmosphere would vent from that thing would be interesting maths to see, but probably, unless the hole is huge the loss wouldn't be that fast, volume vs surface area etc. Making it transparent was a weird choice, but it's a minor megastructure in the ST verse which should have loads more, seeing the Federation get it's face ripped off by a Kardashev Type 2 Civilization with a population of quadrillions in a single star system would be hilarious.
They where probably like. "How can we make theme seem even more consumed with hubris than in TNG." then the next guy was like: "A literal space colony that's a glass buble."
In response to the title, I suspect that the name was a really roundabout reference to where Enterprise got its name. The NCC-1701 got its name from CV-6, the WWII aircraft carrier USS Enterprise. Enterprise was part of a carrier battle group with two other ships of the same design, the USS Hornet, and the USS Yorktown. I assume that when the writers were researching history of where Enterprise got its name from, they pulled this one. Of course, there are two Starfleet ships named Yorktown as well. One in TOS "Obsession" and another in Voyage Home. Given that a USS Potemkin also exists, we can excuse them for using the names of warships of a given nation in their fleet.
The snow globe in space wasn't actually glass it's made of transparent aluminum or some transparent metal since they have that tech in Trek. Hell we have that tech in real life. We actually know how to make transparent aluminum look it up.
The worst is really the name of the station: "To represent Terra and the whole human race and history, let's choose the name of a battle that is only relevent for 3 countries, one being a young one with very little history compared to the others and another one having been defeated during this battle. Humanity as a whole will surely feel united by that name" If you want to use a city name (wich is still strange to represent the whole of humanity), at least choose an important one like Roma, Byzantium or Babylon. Or better, choose a fictional one like Avalon, Shambhala or Ys
Adding proton torpedos and military satellites to this thing just makes it into a military target instead of a defenseless shipyard, meaning if I have to take the system, I am now definitely blowing it away instead of demanding surrendur. 35 miles of torpedo placements is probably gonna be enough to beat any ship 1v1
I just realized jj Abrams trek isn't based on the TV show star trek at all. It's based on the 1970s gold key comic book of the same name. Which was created by artists and writers in Italy who had never seen the TV show, but worked off of publicity stills and press releases.
Remember though, it is not glass... At that time, they had transparent steel, or aluminum... perhaps both for over 3 or 400 years. Also by building the arms of the structures as twisting in an elliptical, it would have made the mega structure lighter and with less heat... To build it as a solid with a defined core. Would make it as dense as a small moon and thus impossible to exist or stay intact... The whole mega structure is definitely a K3 civilization. The transparent alloys, fusion drives and warp tech, definitely supports it as opposed to an O'Neil cylinder, or Dyson's structure.
Regardless of the handwavium involved, [clear stuff] is almost invariably weaker than [not clear stuff], and that is still a blessed E-NOR-MOUS atmosphere bubble that you're having to contain, no doubt through additional hand-waving "structural integrity fields" and so forth. And one tiny little hole compromises the whole thing.
A tiny is such a bad thing with a structure this size. Anything smaller than one of those hexagon panels could be patched up without venting too much atmo. Now if something set off a wave of harmonics that cracked or ruptured multiple panels (or the thin bita of metal holding the panels in place), well, then you better hope you have plenty of power to run all of the structure integrity fields needed to keep the station from becoming it's own "necro" cloud.
As another guy from another franchise once said "Its too big to be a space station". Yorktown is closer in scale to being an artificial planet which, while some would say looks cool, is an architect's nightmare.
Well, indeed. Gravity plating on starships only has to go one way - up. On that thing, each arm would be having to not only generate a field for each surface, but make sure that those fields don't overlap and just turn them into twisted metal.
Starfleet's engineers are certifiably insane and love a challenge, there were probably *contests* to earn the right to try and make the design work, in-universe.
Only 1 issue with you analysis.. Star Fleet doesn't use glass but instead uses transparent aluminum for their see through bits. Overall still a giant snow globe/soap bubble waiting to be popped though.
Yeah no on the Yorktown. At least in Macross with the Megaroad and Island class colony ships( who's exterior glass section is made out of Herculite a strong alien alloy ) those ships have armored covers to protect in case combat is commencing. The combat protocol aboard those ships is Shell down. Yorktown is way too fragile looking even by Star Trek standards.
The snow globe is the thing I like most from the JJ movies. Because it shows the Federation ****ing around with its own technology to show off. Which is absolutely a thing that real governments do. It's also completely in line with the industrial base and manufacturing capability that the Federation should have. But let's not be silly about the poking hole in the outside nonsense. Firstly, shields exist. Secondly, you could put a building sized hole in the outside and you wouldn't notice a pressure drop for days. Because it's an enormous volume, and gas only leaves so quickly.
Actually, depending on the size of the station and the area of the hole, you could poke a hole of significant size in the Yorktown and none of the civilians would notice for quite some time. That being said, those are real physics calculations and being a sci fi movie universe dramatic explosive decompression is their bread and butter soooooo, your analysis still stands. If you haven’t already, I recommend you check out science and futurism with Isaac Arthur, you may enjoy listening to some of his episodes while ignoring the screeching metal and occasional screaming of your employees on the docks
for the technobabble, and how many weird ways they re-over-use things there is a mission in Star Trek online(playing Klingon side, during the point there is open hostilities and you jam the comms and raid Utopia Planitia) that the Klingons make snide comments about Starfleet engineers using a deflector dish in new and nefarious ways
A writer probably played a game of Star Fleet Command, and they give star bases random ship names. These people have no imagination. Likewise, this mess is not the product of imagination, but graphics designed to meet specification.
I forgot this thing existed, not sure i'm happy about the reminder. JJ trek had it's virtues, story, respect-for-setting and coherence were the opposite of said virtues.
Let's be honest, JJ needed the snow globe in order to create enough lens flair for the movie.
Interstellar disco ball FTW!
At this point I believe JJ was no longer involved with the Star Trek movies
Migraine.
@@taitano12 Interstellar disco inferno.
but this one was directed by Justin Lin.
Here’s my defense of Starbase Yorktown: It’s supposed to look utterly and impossibly ludicrous, in-universe.
Don’t look at it as an idealistic engineering choice or a defensible location or really anything on a day-to-day practical level. Because, sure, it’s bad on those levels.
Look at it, instead, as the Federation’s version of gunboat diplomacy. Starbase Yorktown says “Oh, this? Yeah, it’d be politically annoying to have a land-based structure in this area, so we figured it’d be easier to make this impossibly gorgeous snowglobe installation. Yeah, opaque walls would make it more secure, but we’ve got other defenses to cover it. And sure, it’s not a super-efficient use of resources, but we’re kinda post-scarcity, so we can afford to be pretty wasteful for aesthetic reasons. Now then, do you want to be our friends? Do you want to join our club and get some of this tech?”
It’s a giant diplomatic swinging dick. And yeah, its a bit arrogant as the film would go onto show, but that’s the beauty of it. It’s meant to show the full extent of Federation technology in a non-miliaristic manner.
Because, yeah, picture if you were someone in this universe, you’re used to more traditional Trek-tech stuff, and then you stepped into the middle of this place. Would you want to pick a fight with a group that can just throw something like this together in the middle of nowhere? Or would you want to join them and get some of those wonders for yourself?
If _that_ was the core logic for it's creation, then I'd say SB Yorktown is totally legit.
Even so, the most absurd flaws pointed out by SCS *still stand*. 'Looking cool' is *NO* defense for engineering in critical / fatal design flaws.
@@ironwolfF1 : I personally suspect that the station's designers would agree, and that the active defenses represent how little they were able to "misappropriate" from the budget before their hands got swatted.
That! plus he even mentions the magic like tech. It's going to carry into structures too not just teleportation an replicators. These people literally can bend gravity and make anything... I'm sure they have took note and probably didn't make the panels to be as fragile as glass. He's right about things you see through are going to be weaker but it's not enough to even matter and also upping defenses to compensate
@@jonathanw5100 ~transparent aluminum~ ooooooo, Anyway, having the shipyard in the middle is still a problem. Having the paths is not, going with this explanation, as flying your ship through a city is cool, but putting the place for damaged ships, the ones with a high chance of going out of control, in such a place is not sound in any way.
@@BobMcBobJr oh yeah 100% agree! It's definitely not a good idea. Plus the rest of the stations layout is wack and it really just is eye candy anyways
Literally was just designed for the looks cool factor.
Unlike JJ Trek's Enterprise. Looked like a feminine hygiene product company designed it.
I liked the Kelvin design though.
Which is a shame because it really doesn't.
In a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE?!? Shame on them!
You're right though. Most of the audience won't have a clue, and if you look at most NASA hardware it's extremely boring looking, almost as if practicality trumped aesthetics. But in the case of Star Trek, it's the opposite. It doesn't have to whatever the laws of physics. It's a film prop. If it looks cool, then it has succeeded. Same reason film stars are usually good looking, even though real people usually aren't. And a million other things in films that aren't real. Warp drive, for example. Or universal translators, handily obviating the need for translators all over the place ruining the dialogue. The operative word in "science fiction" is FICTION, over and over again.
Maybe our moaning trekkie friend wants to read "hard" scifi. I say read, because very few films exist in that genre, The Martian being the only one I can think of.
@@greenaum True, movie designs don't have to be completely realistic and adhere to the laws of physics, but they should at least look plausible and believable. TThis giant hamster ball in space does not look the least bit plausible or believable and little to none of it makes any sense.
@@leonhood914 there's "post-scarcity"... and then there's _"post-fucking-sense"..._
"Saints in Paradise" and all that...
Well to be fair to the Yorktown, considering how big it is, it has so much atmosphere in it that any puncture would probably take so long to vent a noticable amount of atmosphere that it could be repaired long before it becomes a problem. That said, it's way too vulnerable to intentional attack which would likely be able to put a significantly larger number of punctures then one
Yep, I was about to comment the same thing. Yorktown being as big as it is, even a 100m hole would probably take a decade before the loss was even a concern for most people (although I hope they'd not be idiots and fix it asap). Still a terrible design for a star base, with that much material they could have built a handful of O'Neil cylinders and be better for it, even have a dedicated one strictly related to ship engineering.
No not at all if a ship crashed through the side of the station it would decompress in a matter of seconds. Spacecraft don't and space suits don't operate at the same PSI as Earth they usually have about 1/7 the atmosphere pressure.
@@markcostello5120 When you punch a hole in a object that is pressurized it will violently decompress. You won't get sucked out through a bullet hole in a aircraft but it isn't going to stay the size of a bullet hole. Space craft it will occur much faster as your going from a atmosphere to a vacuum where atmosphere is non existent.
@@markcostello5120 Too bad there's no such thing as energy shields in the StarTrek universe to quickly seal of such holes.
*oh wait*
I'd like to add transparent aluminum to the equation.
Yes, space fantasy, but technically the see through bits ARE as strong as the non see through bits
To be fair, sticking glass-bottomed infrastructure uncomfortably close to dangerous environmental features so that we can get an adrenalin high from vertigo is kinda what humans _do._
You didn't think Starfleet practically abandoning the concept of having their replicator-equipped vessels use drones and unmanned probes in favor of window-covered apartments and scenic bars with floor-to-ceiling windows directly to space came from nowhere, did you?
The idea that starfleet represents the whole federation yet is absolutely human centric is an issue with most of the franchise.
At least early TOS seems to cast the ship and crew as being almost strictly a human venture with alien allies, by the time the films come around its abundantly clear that this is a multi species organization.
Funny enough star trek Enterprise both digs this hole deeper and clarifies why it might be so in universe.
Thanks to ENT we know that starfleet WAS a completely human entity at one point, the style of the technology is established well before the federation is a thing.
The remaining question is why upon founding the federation was the human starfleet chosen as the military branch?
My theory is it was justified the same way the early US government justified a standing navy while rejecting a standing army, (an army is able to occupy and conquer a place while a navy is not)
So, this new political entity is made mostly of races with history that includes mistrust and war. Someone's bound to object to a recent enemies fleet having free access to their space let alone relying on them entirely for defense.
So the compromise is earth starfleet, the new kid with no grudges or bad blood, and their capabilities are blunted enough compared to the other members that they don't pose a serious threat at the start.
In the event of an actual war the disparate fleets will come together, while starfleet does the job of patrol and exploration. Largely because it's humans that want to explore and because they are not a fleet of big guns poking around in the dark.
Over time they become more integrated, the other races retain their fleets locally but rely on starfleet beyond their own borders. And that's why we see mostly humans on visually human ships, because the shows are all about the frontier, not checking in on local allies defensive capabilities.
Still doesn't explain why we have yet to see ANY fucking Vulcans help out when earth is getting spanked!
Honestly, I still find it easiest to assume there are more Andorians and Tellarites etc in Starfleet than makeup budgets permitted, and it's kind of an oversight that we never seem to see much of predominantly-Andorian or too many Vulcan ships even referred to. I could buy that Starfleet likes to make a lot of ships based each on one culture/species and then mix things up a little from there, and that there may well just be more Human based ships cause Humans seem more prolific than most Federation species, but there's still more 'aliens' than we see on camera .
And there's also the fact that apparently Earth threw almost all their endeavors under Starfleet purview, but the Vulcans have like all kinds of science council and high command ships absorbing a lot of people (and ship names,) and the Andorians still have a Guard, and the Tellarites have like a big merchant marine and likely a lot of Corps of Engineers types.
(So I figure a lot of Starfleet ships have Earth based names cause everyone else is still *using* a ton of their traditional ship names for their own fleets, little factors like that.) And I agree that a lot of things are probably pretty Earth centric just because Humans seem to be the folks everyone else could agree on dealing with in the first place. )
As for the huge 'Just cause it's f'n cool' Yorktown starbase, that's kind of how Abramsverse seems to try to do everything. I bet the original series would have made starbases that cool if they had the means, though. Maybe with a bit less grandiosity and 'necro-nebulas.' That movie didn't really seem to have a strong plot, just a desire to string together all kinds of cinematic wows somehow.
I think it was mentioned more than once that there were plenty of starfleet ships that had mostly non human crews as it was easier to taylor life support requirements etc. To different groupings of races. Its just the shows didn't do a very good job of depicting this whether due to budget or forgetfulness on the part of the writers.
The Federation was formed right after Earth finished a major war with the Romulans, and the humans had a large fleet to contribute.
As for the human centric aspect, the OG federation memer species had the longest time to spread to colonies and raise their population.
So the real question is why we havent seen more Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellerites.
@@danielboatright8887 Well, Rick Berman, I believe it was, just didn't like Andorians and thought they looked silly, so that basically kept them offscreen in TNG, Telllarites need a lot of makeup, particularly for 'extras' so we didn't see much of them, and they basically had characters occsionally you might wonder if they were Telllarite, cause they hadn't gotten a look down.
I do figure that in-universe the member worlds' own space endeavors take up a lot of their pools of spacers. But it always comes down to budgets and what writers find familiar.
they kinda covered it, barely, between TV and 'tech manuals', and it kinda makes sense
with the Andorians preferring colder, the Vulcans warmer, the Benzite a different air mix
basically due to differences in climate, atmosphere, etc, while they do run some joint ships(some for show, some the requirements are close enough) and starbases(easier to accommodate a deck, for diplomatic reasons)
they elude to it in small ways
the Andorians still having the guard
the Vulcans still having the science council, who still have their own fleet(but we don't see many of those ring ships), the science council that think the strange and new can be studied from sensors and then never rechecked or updated(ignoring a comet in Enterprise that turned out to have some insanely rare mineral iirc, entire stellar objects missing from the database), so the status quo ones join the Science Council, the 'immature ones'(read with thoughts and questions of their own) join Starfleet
a purely Vulcan crew on a Nebula class ship visiting DS9 for example(the baseball episode)
Mordok, being the first Benzite in Starfleet despite them being a Federation member for like 100yrs by then and needing a special breathing device(TNG ep)
if you were to get into a space battle and your breather damaged you die from whatever(say lack of methane in the air) while the ship is still 90+% intact including working life support
so they run a semi standardized ship design, and just set the air/temp/gravity
The Yorktown station actually makes slightly more sense than the rest of the movie but between how much less sense everything else makes in the film and how over the top it looks this fact is easy to miss.
It's placement is 1000% gonzo bonkers and the rational for that is just lazy BS (SW, anyone?) but remember that clear outer shell is about as strong as a starship hull, just clear. Now it's meant to be a homey rest stop out on the _fringe_ where you get a lot of the feel of being on a planet. A better line would be there are no nearby member worlds to support this _exploration base_ but whatever.
All that empty volume is really air storage making it very hard to lose much atmosphere quickly unless whatever is making holes in your station basically chews it all up in a few seconds. Otherwise there could be a hundred holes big enough to fly shuttles through and there would still be soo much air that anyone "outside" of the airtight buildings would have loads of time to get indoors before the air is too thin to support life. The crazy multiple angles is a way of making fuller use of all that volume and reducing the surface area while still getting you that nice feeling of not being cooped up in a metal can for five years straight.
Unfortunately the glitz and lense flare obscure the few well considered aspects with unnecessary layers of cool.
Id also add that maybe the huge amount of air space is also a good for light scattering to artificially recreate "natural sunlight".
“The station makes more sense than the rest of the movie…”
That does not speak well for the rest of the movie.
@@ErzengelDesLichtes *^Ding-Ding^*
No. It does not.
Recoup its costs? Nah, don't you remember - the Federation did away with the concepts of money. All of that was built by people with a burning desire to make a floating glass ball near the Death Cloud. Sort of a futuristic version of "will it blend?"
The nebula is really the part that throws me.
I mean, it's all a story, and they could have called that nebula whatever they wanted.
But no.
We're going to go with the Dead/Dying Cloud Nebula.
Wat.
Everything costs something. The Federation doesn't use money for day-to-day interactions because their technology automatically gathers and manufactures more than enough stuff for everyone's day-to-day lives. That doesn't mean they are somehow freed from the conservation of mass/energy. Make no mistake, something insanely immense like this has steep costs. Sure, there's no money to easily express just how much, but nonetheless It costs time, it costs dilithium to generate the power for the replicators and ships involved in this, it costs ships and talent to get things moved around and built.
They had to trade for that metal to create that oversized sphere of doom, and the 33km diameter means there's enough metal to either build a Death Star or a whole fleet of Constitution-class or 23rd-century Sovereign or Prometheus-class starships. I'd rather make another 2009-style starbase than a massive worthless snow globe when you can at least defend yourself with a smaller station
@@Ithirahad True. Also virtually every vision of a society without "money" that I've heard described usually just has some other thing that functionally serves as currency of some sort and then the creator just vehemently denies that said thing is "money". And often times that thing is actually worse than regular money because it's usually limited in what you can buy and it's usually rationed by the government in return for some sort of behavior or "good civic" record or something and suddenly then you realize this supposed utopia with no money the author is imagining is actually just a benevolent totalitarian regime at best.
@@andrewmalinowski6673 Well, they didn't necessarily have to *trade* for it, ...Actually maybe for the same reason there's a 'necro-nebula' meant they had a bunch of smashed-up planetary debris they found there and just went a little nuts with building big out of it. (Still seems like an awfully big 'city' to have just sprung up that fast, though. )
Putting a civilian filled snow globe next to The Necrocloud sounds exactly like something star fleet would do.
It's the puzzle ball kid's toy that you move the BB through, turned into a space station
I don't know. I liked how imaginative it was in its design. Kind of a love letter to the bubbly optimistic futurism that Gene Roddenberry believed that Star Trek represented. It was very unconventional in a way that grabbed my attention.
Now, for being a big snowglobe, it would have been fun to have it subvert expectations in having the movie's card-carrying villain attempt an assault against its seemingly vulnerable exterior only to find that it's protected by an extremely robust shield system. To which one of the station commanders would reply, "Do you think we'd really build a snowglobe on the frontier and leave it completely unprotected?"
I'd like to imagine that this was what Bones was thinking when he said that the Starbase was a giant snowglobe in space.
A space station wasting space is pretty standard urban planning. this thing looks like a world expo art project.
Yeah York Town was weird impractical and over the top.
However that's what made it so brilliant, sadly most trek writers fail to grasp the kind of crazy over the top things starfleet and the federation could build when you have replicators a decent amount of automation and no need to worry about money.
In fact it should be considered unrealistic for starfleet to not have a lot more of theses crazy megaprojects like radiotelescopes the size of stars to observer other galaxies, Dyson spheres collecting solar power to produce unlimited amounts of free antimatter etc.
Yeah, but, see, that idea makes /sense/.
This... doesn't.
@@SacredCowShipyards actually given the weird architectural stuff we've built in the previous decades here in the real world I think this thing make perfect sense, the federation would build something this insane and complex just to show that they could
granted it's location makes no god damn sense
this starbase would/should be located at the meeting point of several major trade lanes or in an area where the Federation could show everyone the superiority of federation technology and culture
@@dukoth6552 Not at the ass-end of the universe surrounded by an erratic asteroid cloud that wants to kill it?
Yeah.
@@SacredCowShipyards just make strong enough redundant(infallible) shields and you will be OK!
This is ST so in it's universe technology is basically godlike/omnipotent.... the station is most likely protected by many many forcefields.... and, since planet destroying weapons very much exist, it's no less protected than an average planet.
The asteroids are a resource of extra matter, possibly even such unreplicatable resources as dilithium.
as for being on the edge of the universe... I believe this is more a Hong-Kong or Singapore of that Universe... the remote location is why you build something so advanced there.... also, it's a political message Starfleet is sending.
Nobody in their right mind builds a base for millions of civilians on the edge of "uncharted space". That was always my biggest problem with it
Ask anyone who has had both cats and snow globes. You end up with cats and a mess to clean up.
I feel like you lack and understanding of actual human history.
@@DrewLSsix Sure the 115 years of exploration from 1492 to 1607 made north america "uncharted territory". How many colonies still died? I said in their right mind. Fleeing religious persecution doesn't really leave you many choices.
To be fair, that is kind of what Babylon 5 is about; and that is considered one of the greatest Sci-Fi series ever.
But to be double fair, that it was build in uncontested space was the whole point of the station.
Yeah, maybe I missed it in all the lens flare, but did they even mention on screen why this madman's snowglobe filled with "normies" was placed way out in BFE next to the giant cloud of death asteroids??
Had this been a Starfeet base (ships, personnel and whatnot) and/or a science lab (white coats and pocket protectors, etc.) I could have understood. The science guys would want to study the cloud up close and the Starfleet guys would love the sensor jamming as free camouflage from the bad guys.
What was shown looked more like a Macy's department store mixed with a condo resort for family vacations with a shipyard/repair base buried under it. (Missed opportunity though, they should have put a swimming pool/bubble in one of those convergence dead spots.)
TBH, can't bash it too hard though cause it looked fricken' cool!!
Yorktown's transparent hull was durable enough that the only location they damaged and eventually broke through were the spacedoors, which presumably says something.
That most people go for the things that move rather than the walls when it comes to breaking into places.
Okay, I don't like this thing any more than anyone else... But that's not glass. Star Trek IV established in the 80s that starship windows are "Transparent Aluminium". And while the JarJar-verse is a split-off timeline, it's still a divergence from the old star trek and it can be assumed quite easily that the sphere is at least several meters of TA.
The real problem with Yorktown's design is that it _appears_ to only have one layer of transparent space soap bubble and is not compartmentalized to help isolate and contain an outer hull breach. If I were to modify this design, I would have the transparent bubble both layered three or four times so it looked like an onion, and I would have it compartmentalized on latitude and longitude lines so as to mitigate breaches. Even then, some math that's been done on O'Neil Cylinders suggest that even a decent sized hull breach would take quite a bit of time to vent the atmosphere. One really has to wonder where they got the volume of air to fill a 30 km sphere to one atmosphere. That's where the fun logistics come in. Imagine the tanker-starships that look like gas canisters coming to fill that thing up upon finishing construction.
Everything else I can tolerate. The station is obviously designed for aesthetics to feel like a planet-side city, and engineers can down a few beers after having to deal with that kind of technical complexity. And the docking area, while I question making it go right through the middle of the sphere and intersection with other docking 'spokes' as a traffic problem, is not going to be a hazard to the residence around it. After all, it's not a runway, and starships are not airplanes. A ship has no pressing need to dock YESTERDAY to deal with damage, and it certainly doesn't have to dock while _on fire._ I mean, if your ship, is _on fire,_ in *_SPACE,_* to the point you have to come screaming in for emergency docking procedures with a station? I question your fire-fighting intelligence, slap you in the back of the head, and send you to play a few hours of playing FTL to learn how to firefight _in space._ (Hint: Fire needs oxygen to burn, so...)
About the only legitimate threat I would consider is if the ship is snug deep in the docking bay in the middle of a station, a warp core breach would blow the whole station to smitherines like a giant frag grenade. But that's a hazard for any given station with internal docking options. Like Earth Space Dock. And I LOVE Earth Space Dock.
What's more, transparent aluminum is just what Scotty would have used for the whale tank. The existence of one transparent metal presupposes the existence of other transparent metals. We know that aluminum can be made transparent with heat, but now there are actual companies making transparent aluminum using a far more flexible (if flawed) process, and we're still only in the early part of the 21st century. What will we able to do with metal in 23rd century? Why not transparent titanium?
Here's the thing. Transparent aluminum already exists and we even used it in the Space Shuttle. It's more accurately called sapphire glass since sapphire is pretty much aluminum oxide crystals.
Its a glass ball with a gyroscope that stalled out then living space built on. Its the greatest thing ever built that needs to be compressed to a cube.
And that kids is how Borg are made...
"What a damn monstrosity....Looks like a damn snowglobe in space waiting to break"
" that's the spirit bones "
Bones was the only one with any sense sometimes.
I always just thought of it as a huge vanity project that governments often do for no other reason to say that they could and they did.
To be honest, the Federation absolutely could build something like this with no issues, and probably did. Considering how nice they are, it was probably some school competition to design the next star base, and the winner was so out there that Star Fleet engineers were charmed by it and just build it as a technical challenge.
And then of course, because it looks amazing, people wanted to live on it anyway.
Given what we see of the starfleet corps of engineers in their books, and just out of starfleet engineers in the shows?
They definitely saw the design and got absurdly hyped about trying to make it work.
@@danieljames1868 it's not like they don't have an unlimited budget and unlimited manpower, given how many of them there are.
Starbase Yorktown, a bizarre lovechild of Echier and Dyson.
When you phrase it like that...
@@SacredCowShipyards : What, did you discover how they implemented spring cleaning? ;)
My inner techpriest is REEEEEEEing at the amount of _wasted space_ in Starbase Yorktown. Just... ugh. Meanwhile, my inner Ork is giggling at the idea of driving an aptly-named "Brute Ram Ship" straight through that outer bubble just to see what would happen (and out the other side, because reasons).
Oh huh, and here I thought I was being original when designing my own glass bubble in the sky. To my defence, this one was based on "We have this weird artifact that generates pretty shallow gravity well out there what can we do with it", located in a backwater system with no strategic significance and populated by birds who just want to have place to fly about and not care about _groundling things_ like money or politics.
This is what happens when the "rule of cool" is your entire design philosophy.
Federation staships carry continent-destroying canon phasers and torpedoes. An accidental discharge from any weapon can be catastrophic to that station.
Oh man. Can you imagine the lock-out-tag-out procedure necessary before docking?
@@SacredCowShipyards They have personal teleporter stations for public use. Why do they need ships to be dock below the living quarters? It'll be safer for the ships to in orbiting smaller stations around the big one and have the crew teleport between the structures. I've been watching Enterprise and Voyager recently and the bad guys(the Suliban and Borg respectively) live in huge bases made from interconnected ships or stations. Sounds much more logical to me.
@@dareka9425 Starfleet in general has a hard-on for stations that contain their ships, for some reason. Just look at StarBase 1, where the Enterprise got refit and the Excelsior was being built. I mean, they were /literally/ finishing up the build on the Excelsior /inside/ of a massive starbase for... reasons? Because, y'know, a warp core spontaneously losing containment because Seaman Schmuckatelli dropped a wrench into the antimatter stream is totally not something to worry about when you're surrounded by thousands (millions?) of people?
@@dareka9425 Another aspect I forgot until I saw this video is that those docking tubes stop being useful for EVERY ship larger than the tubes.
Second side aspect: one wrong turn, one twitch at the helm, and you could kill hundreds to millions.
I guess nobody suggested to JJ to watch the TNG episode I believe was called "Relics" where the Enterprise from TNG came across Montgomery Scott stuck on the surface of a dyson sphere within a transport matrix...
JJ wasn't a fan. Not that it mattered anyway, just look at Star Wars.
Somebody pitched the idea of the Dyson sphere to Larry Niven, but he didn't think it plausible, so he went with his Ringworld, instead.
@@ThatsMrPencilneck2U And thus inspired Halo...
@@Darkwintre and yet the Halo rings aren't called Niven class megastructures.
@@barrybend7189 I wonder if they couldn't do so rather than didn't recognise the significance?
Designs like this seem to be the reason for every war in the Gundam universe. The space colony that’s basically a wheel with a glass dome usually gets straight up obliterated by a single nuke or it’s damaged by a battle so badly to end point there is a massive decompression event that tears it apart.
I get that everyone likes to see out, but they showed the... "surface" of the Yorktown having blue sky over it, which /completely/ removes the utility of having all that glass, aside from "look what we can do".
At least the Gundam colonies were designed for practical living. Its like man made islands. Even Battleship cannons and anti ship missiles will sink it.
At least in Gundam they knew that a pressurized atmosphere getting destroyed means death to anyone unlucky enough to get sucked out into the cold void of space, Aside from the first episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam and Gundam Seed I can't really say I've seen anything that showed a colony being blown up by "explosive decompression."
Edit: rewording and expansion
In the UC, the Space Colonies are giant cylinders but they have a separate section designed as a space port/hanger away from the massive living section. In the AC, Space Colonies are more so like a larger version of DS9 (various shapes in that style), or you could go just completely all out with over exaggeration with Mobile Fighter G Gundam and have floating islands in space.
"What the *beep is that *beep on a pogo-stick..." Bam Subscribed! LOL
I look at this craft. And am immediately reminded of french Dreadnaughts and PreDreadnaughts.
A design team who design by committee and has far too much money to spend, and forget that trying to be unique just makes life hard!
And as a tribute to the Yorktown... Where are the swarm of angry bees to defend the core station?
The first thing that popped into my head, was, "how do you give someone directions to get from anywhere, to anywhere else?"
It's probably a little easier because transporters, but still.
Maybe lat/long equivalent + distance from the core?
@@SacredCowShipyards That makes sense.
@SacredCowShipyards As someone who's way of navigating can be summed up as "walk in general direction until I see it/something else that I can orient from" because I can never remember even simple street names, I'll stick with the teleporters. Or staying home.
Ok my suspension of disbelief is now completely broken now that it has been pointed out to me. And I thought the worst thing was giving a cadet command of a heavy cruiser instead of someone who had graduated from the academy and had some experience.
I love the visuals though .
9 year old me: "I kinda wana throw a rock at it" *looks at necrocloud full of very large easy to move rocks* "I am not liveing there."
Well of course you're not _living_ there, that's what makes it a death cloud.
Vis-a-vis the air escape thing, you should check out Isaac Arthur who addressed this issue on an O'Neill Cylinder (of which this "Yorktown" is ultimately derivative).
Or just watch any first episode of Gundam ( 0079, Gundam SEED's 2 parter and Gundam Age) for visualization of said problems of O'Neal cylinders.
apparently, there's a fan theory that Cumberbatch isn't actually playing Khan, but one of Khan's followers pretending to be him for some reason
It would have been nice if he was explicitly refered to as such, would have been a nice detail.
What's more...
Which Mouthbreather decided to name this disaster after the Enterprise's Sister Ship?
I feel like you just summed up my annoyance at everything I felt was not thought through in the slightest about the reboot movies.
If you’re doing space fortresses too, may I suggest/recommend Iserlohn Fortress, and the smaller sibling Geiersburg Fortress?
Spherical fortresses that are actually well design and functional, and they both work for what they did.
Made for a show where every major character is amazingly competent at what they do.
My thought on seeing the thing was: Somebody laid down a rule of "No trying to destroy a planet. Everyone does that."
And so, lacking any better ideas, they dodged the rule by making a space station with the same population as a planet.
It's a bloody monstrosity, given the chance I'd rearrange all the rings to be parallel and only keep the buildings on the tops. Then I'd build a goddamn hull around the whole thing and have big windows in it.
on the issue of the starbase being placed next to a nebula with a scary name; humans do that every once in a while. The port of Wilmington North Carolina is located on the Cape Fear river and right next to the "Graveyard of the Atlantic"
Karl Urban, Simon Pegg, and Alan Tudyk need to do a movie together.
Yes please.
I agree. Starship Yorktown went beyond stupid. Let's just have starships fly down tunnels with maybe a margin of error of 100 feet per side.
Let's shake it up and watch the snow fall.
Oh, wait, that's people flying around in there.....ooops.
As a Trek fangirl (and one who unironically enjoyed Enterprise, and the Enterprise references in Beyond), I'm glad *someone* said this about Yorktown, because I thought I was the only one thinking it.
'who deisgned this monstrocity!?'
And here we have what happens when an engineer sees an architect's stuff. An Architect built it.
I think that Yorktown was a weird name choice for a massive artificial planet thing, considering as the real USS Yorktown was pretty much sacrificed during WW2 to win a strategic battle against the Japanese.
I've never seen this abomination before.
And I now feel dumber for having seen it.
Just imagine if that thing lost power and the artificial gravity failing due to that. Or worse, a section lost power but not the one overhead, now their gravity will pull peale, buildings, everything towards it....
"The Federation is nothing more than a homo sapiens only club" -soon to be Chancellor of the klingon Empire Azetbur
As an engineer, I see so much more wrong with this than you even mention.
This thing is why JJ needed a shock collar when making a movie.
He's only reused the same exact car crash scene in, like, three movies.
@@SacredCowShipyards >>> Maybe having his first and middle names start with the SAME LETTER, it is a subconscious thing for him...😉
JJ needs something with a little more "oomph" than a shock device as incentive to not go batshit insane on any cinematic aspect. Like a cortical micro-bomb implanted in his cabeza. If his excitatory neurotransmitters reach a critical level, head go boom.
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If I remember McCoy put it best" It looks like a dam snow globe in space that's ready to break. "
I thought the idea was to make it look really vulnerable to the bad guy with a fleet of ships that could ignore ST shields and cut through a starfleet ship like a chainsaw. Except then he went to the trouble of creating a nanovirus war weapon to do it instead.
To be totally fair, after Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, it's pretty safe to say that the Yorktown's outer skin is probably made out of a transparent metal.
Looks like one of those 3D ball mazes
Ah yes. Station Yorktown. The station built around an animatic, by a director who just wanted to make big-budget music videos. With surplus lens flare.
Wait! Maybe that's what all that useless volume is for! To contain the Lensflarium!
That explains why the film has the ship surfing a wave made of explosion while the Beastie Boys are playing...
I would personally argue that something like this could exist in Star Trek, except it would be the equivalent of a gated community for the people with stupid amounts of power or the rough equivalent of the ultra rich. Although I do take issue with the fact that there is only one sphere around the thing holding the atmosphere in, because realistically there would probably be at least another one that would have at least some gases in it so that it doesn't vent straight out into space and then quite possibly a third one with radiation shielding that would act as a double failsafe.
Edit: yeah I'm not going to defend the shipyard inside of the bubble
Lest you forget, ST has an anti-radiation shot. Of course...how on Terra would anyone come up with a all-bad-radiation comprehensive shot?
There are no ultra rich in the federation. The federation doesn't even use money except for exterior trade arrangements. It's a totally level society where all position is based on elections or merit.
@@GonnaDieNever I said it could exist in the universe not that it had to belong to the humans.
This station looks like something a stupid berk dreamt up after playing too much Planescape and drinking too much alcohol.
that's something I've always thought, the Federation is meant to represent the whole earth planet yet there is almost only US and British names, barely no Asian names, no german names, barely any russian, barely any portuguese and not to mention any south american or hispanic name.
I mean you have the Armitage and Akira classes whose whole line is anime references.
So at least Japan's got some pull when it comes to federation ship names
Having Yorktown be a starbase name by itself is dumb, the Enterprise A was the renamed USS Yorktown, per Gene Rodenberry.
Which makes even more sense given that while making Star Trek he had the Yorktown be the main ship in early drafts.
Basically, the writing for the JJ Verse was shit.
I had no idea Roddenberry ever said that out loud. You're literally only the second person I've seen reference that the Yorktown must be the NCC-1701A.
@@johnassal5838 in TNG there was an Excelsior class called Yorktown.
@@barrybend7189 OK, but what of it? The JJ trek movies tend to borrow elements from TOS and the TOS movies, not TNG. Here, specifically an association between kirk looking to get posted to Yorktown like a shadow reference to him getting the Yorktown from ST4 as the replacement enterprise.
@@johnassal5838 I'm just pointing out that Yorktown is better suited to ship names not staion names.
@@barrybend7189 Agreed, nobody debates that but JJ.
I get the feeling that calling it a glass sphere is giving them too much credit... I bet they used force fields or shields to hold in the air and everyone is seriously one power outage away from death.
The various segments might be different environments for member species of the Federation. We know that some require different gravity and many that prefer different temperatures and humidities.
I liked how bones described it in the movie it nearly made me cry laughing as soon as I heard that quote
technobable is an underated artform. It's purpose is to act as a stand in for technology that the characters know and understand, but we the modern day people, have no hope of accurately interpreting or understanding how it would or does work. Magical technologies are both a prediction of what is to come, and an inspiration to those who would invent the next generation of technology. As such, magic level technology in sci-fi is not without it's merrits. This station though, is INSANE!
How does the anti-gravity work in Star Trek anyway?
Is it like little tiles in the floor working off a gravitational equivalent of a peltire junction? Or is it fueled with element 115 or some sort of dark matter?
Also, why build an enclosed structure when you have artificial gravity?
Just build a gravity generator (whatever the tech) to make a decent size gravity well and collapse that nebula into a little planetoid and do some land scaping.
That idea reminds me of the little planets in the games Super Mario Galaxy one and two.
Ohhh, Genesis Planet from the Star Trek movies.
In reference to the starbase we see in Wrath of Kahn (giant mushroom), it seems impractical, but does make sense as a port of entry for people going to Earth so they don’t land directly on the planet. Docking ships inside seems silly, but it can allow an entire ship’s crew to disembark without concern while staying in orbit would require a skeleton crew at all times. Yorktown was impracticality large. Let’s say you want an “open air” space for residents. Imagine the giant mushroom except instead of a spaceport, they make it a large artificial environment to simulate being on earth. That makes some sense. Yorktown has an abundance of wasted space they way it’s designed.
Macross with its colony ships have at least a better excuse for larger enclosure. Especially the Island class colony ships as they double as prefab cities and terraforming structures.
This happens with nearly all newer/rebooted/franchise movies.
They put a lot of effort into designing things but totally ignoring logic, common sense established and lore.
At least Gundam got through that phase with G Fighter Gundam a super robot show.
This thing seems like a giant target where the civilian population was put on it for the explicit purpose to serve as meat shields for the shipyard inside. The ones making the decision for its creation must have been thinking that most other great powers would rather not take the PR hit that attacking this thing would cause, and any enemy who does would get the Pearl Harbor effect of the entire federation population standing behind the war for revenge on them.
That's honestly the only way this works
Necro-cloud filled with asteroids...
Asteroids!
Even if you manage to vaporize a multi-million tonne of rock heading toward that pretty little soap bubble, you still have millions of tonnes of rock micro-particles headed your way.
It would make far more sense to have a net of combined deflector/tractor beams that would move incoming asteroids to a staging area where they would be refined into ship parts and future soap bubbles.
AND your sensors can't adequately penetrate the mess of the nebula, which means all those wonderful defensive satellites will have no early warning as to something headed their way.
Granted, this was a plot point in the movie, so at least they thought of that.
@@SacredCowShipyards short range navigation and proximity censors could do the job. Plus if a socially awkward Ferengi could think of a self replicating minefield Starfleet could make a multilayer astroid defense network.
Always thought starbases were “named” using a combination of letters and numbers.. ie “Starbase Sierra (S) 649” or “Starbase K-47”… about the only ones I know of that broke that standard were “Spacedock/Earth Spacedock” also known as Starbase 1, or “Deep Space Nine”…which could actually be referred to as “DS-9”….
That thing really bugged me, just ridiculous. I might have even said it out loud in the theater, lol
Massive bloated bureaucracy that said let’s build a glass bubble, not transparent aluminum because that is too expensive.
The rate that the atmosphere would vent from that thing would be interesting maths to see, but probably, unless the hole is huge the loss wouldn't be that fast, volume vs surface area etc. Making it transparent was a weird choice, but it's a minor megastructure in the ST verse which should have loads more, seeing the Federation get it's face ripped off by a Kardashev Type 2 Civilization with a population of quadrillions in a single star system would be hilarious.
Strangely enough, a Dyson sphere does exist in this franchise.
They where probably like. "How can we make theme seem even more consumed with hubris than in TNG."
then the next guy was like: "A literal space colony that's a glass buble."
I think the biggest WTF is that this thing is at the edge of Federation space and is heavily populated.
In response to the title, I suspect that the name was a really roundabout reference to where Enterprise got its name.
The NCC-1701 got its name from CV-6, the WWII aircraft carrier USS Enterprise. Enterprise was part of a carrier battle group with two other ships of the same design, the USS Hornet, and the USS Yorktown. I assume that when the writers were researching history of where Enterprise got its name from, they pulled this one.
Of course, there are two Starfleet ships named Yorktown as well. One in TOS "Obsession" and another in Voyage Home.
Given that a USS Potemkin also exists, we can excuse them for using the names of warships of a given nation in their fleet.
"...but even I have to admit that the Starbase Yorktown makes utterly no sense, at all, anywhere, at any point"
Just like the Jar Jar Abrams scripts.
The snow globe in space wasn't actually glass it's made of transparent aluminum or some transparent metal since they have that tech in Trek. Hell we have that tech in real life. We actually know how to make transparent aluminum look it up.
In general, anything clear is weaker than equivalent materials that are not.
Sacred Cow; "I really hope it lasts as long as necessary as to recoup it's cost".
Jean Luc Picard; "Economics in the future are somewhat different".
Borgs be like, "iz dat sum snow globe?"
Full of drones who don't know it yet!
Wonder how many cube tractor beams it would take to make it snow.
Yes, Starbase Yorktown is utterly absurd, but I still love it. Imagine living inside an MC Escher drawing!
The worst is really the name of the station:
"To represent Terra and the whole human race and history, let's choose the name of a battle that is only relevent for 3 countries, one being a young one with very little history compared to the others and another one having been defeated during this battle. Humanity as a whole will surely feel united by that name"
If you want to use a city name (wich is still strange to represent the whole of humanity), at least choose an important one like Roma, Byzantium or Babylon. Or better, choose a fictional one like Avalon, Shambhala or Ys
This was the JJVerse, and it was designed that way because JJ really wanted to make a shitty star wars movie instead...
Adding proton torpedos and military satellites to this thing just makes it into a military target instead of a defenseless shipyard, meaning if I have to take the system, I am now definitely blowing it away instead of demanding surrendur. 35 miles of torpedo placements is probably gonna be enough to beat any ship 1v1
I just realized jj Abrams trek isn't based on the TV show star trek at all. It's based on the 1970s gold key comic book of the same name. Which was created by artists and writers in Italy who had never seen the TV show, but worked off of publicity stills and press releases.
They got really high and watched their hamster run around in its little plastic ball... "Duuuude, I just had an idea."
Remember though, it is not glass... At that time, they had transparent steel, or aluminum... perhaps both for over 3 or 400 years. Also by building the arms of the structures as twisting in an elliptical, it would have made the mega structure lighter and with less heat... To build it as a solid with a defined core. Would make it as dense as a small moon and thus impossible to exist or stay intact... The whole mega structure is definitely a K3 civilization. The transparent alloys, fusion drives and warp tech, definitely supports it as opposed to an O'Neil cylinder, or Dyson's structure.
Regardless of the handwavium involved, [clear stuff] is almost invariably weaker than [not clear stuff], and that is still a blessed E-NOR-MOUS atmosphere bubble that you're having to contain, no doubt through additional hand-waving "structural integrity fields" and so forth.
And one tiny little hole compromises the whole thing.
A tiny is such a bad thing with a structure this size. Anything smaller than one of those hexagon panels could be patched up without venting too much atmo.
Now if something set off a wave of harmonics that cracked or ruptured multiple panels (or the thin bita of metal holding the panels in place), well, then you better hope you have plenty of power to run all of the structure integrity fields needed to keep the station from becoming it's own "necro" cloud.
Also, "tiny" is relative on something as big as this.
As another guy from another franchise once said "Its too big to be a space station". Yorktown is closer in scale to being an artificial planet which, while some would say looks cool, is an architect's nightmare.
With all of the gravity plating running at cross purposes with itself, it's a wonder the damned thing didn't implode.
Well, indeed. Gravity plating on starships only has to go one way - up. On that thing, each arm would be having to not only generate a field for each surface, but make sure that those fields don't overlap and just turn them into twisted metal.
Starfleet's engineers are certifiably insane and love a challenge, there were probably *contests* to earn the right to try and make the design work, in-universe.
Only 1 issue with you analysis.. Star Fleet doesn't use glass but instead uses transparent aluminum for their see through bits. Overall still a giant snow globe/soap bubble waiting to be popped though.
all it would take is one farmer from an anonymous desert planet to shoot down that massive SHIP HOLE.
Yeah no on the Yorktown. At least in Macross with the Megaroad and Island class colony ships( who's exterior glass section is made out of Herculite a strong alien alloy ) those ships have armored covers to protect in case combat is commencing. The combat protocol aboard those ships is Shell down. Yorktown is way too fragile looking even by Star Trek standards.
Thank you for saying out loud what I have been feeling ever since I saw that movie....
Love your video.
Oh no the warp core will breach in 10 minuts. Crap, it'll take 30 just to taxi the ship to the space doors. Station is doomed.
Just throw some temporal quantum thing-a-ma-bobs at it!
The snow globe is the thing I like most from the JJ movies. Because it shows the Federation ****ing around with its own technology to show off. Which is absolutely a thing that real governments do. It's also completely in line with the industrial base and manufacturing capability that the Federation should have.
But let's not be silly about the poking hole in the outside nonsense. Firstly, shields exist. Secondly, you could put a building sized hole in the outside and you wouldn't notice a pressure drop for days. Because it's an enormous volume, and gas only leaves so quickly.
Actually, depending on the size of the station and the area of the hole, you could poke a hole of significant size in the Yorktown and none of the civilians would notice for quite some time. That being said, those are real physics calculations and being a sci fi movie universe dramatic explosive decompression is their bread and butter soooooo, your analysis still stands. If you haven’t already, I recommend you check out science and futurism with Isaac Arthur, you may enjoy listening to some of his episodes while ignoring the screeching metal and occasional screaming of your employees on the docks
I am just glad that abomination of a starbase is squarely in the kelvin verse and not in the primary timeline.
for the technobabble, and how many weird ways they re-over-use things
there is a mission in Star Trek online(playing Klingon side, during the point there is open hostilities and you jam the comms and raid Utopia Planitia) that the Klingons make snide comments about Starfleet engineers using a deflector dish in new and nefarious ways
A writer probably played a game of Star Fleet Command, and they give star bases random ship names. These people have no imagination. Likewise, this mess is not the product of imagination, but graphics designed to meet specification.
I forgot this thing existed, not sure i'm happy about the reminder.
JJ trek had it's virtues, story, respect-for-setting and coherence were the opposite of said virtues.
It's a damned snowglobe in space just waiting to break