Eric Weinstein & Terrence Howard Debate One Times One Equals Two On The Joe Rogan Podcast
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In episode #2171 of The Joe Rogan Experience, Eric Weinstein and Terrence Howard join Joe Rogan for a fascinating and unconventional debate about the nature of mathematics, specifically the assertion that one times one equals two. Eric Weinstein, a renowned mathematician and economist, and Terrence Howard, an acclaimed actor and inventor with his own unique mathematical theories, engage in a spirited discussion that challenges conventional wisdom and explores the depths of mathematical concepts. This episode promises to be intellectually stimulating, thought-provoking, and full of surprising insights. Don't miss this extraordinary debate on one of the most fundamental principles of mathematics!
📌 Topics Covered:
The nature of mathematical principles
Eric Weinstein's perspective on conventional mathematics
Terrence Howard's unique mathematical theories
The philosophical implications of mathematical concepts
Joe Rogan's mediation and contributions to the discussion
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Okay my brain is going to break, can I just keep saying one times one is one and call it a day?
i don't get it, it's so simple why don't Eric just say look mein,
3x1=3 because 1+1+1=3
2x1=2 because 1+1=2
1x1=1 because 1=1 it's just one, one fucking time.
3x0=0 because 0+0+0=0
@@Incosmia I think 3 x 0 = 0 since it doesn't happen any times
@@Magjee it's the same thing the order of operations does not affect results
Okay. I was great at math. Now I realize I’m an idiot.
This is basic abstract algebra of groups, rings, and fields. A group is a set of elements, say {a, b, e} and binary operator that takes two of those elements, and gives you an element of the group. So for example, the additive group of numbers with 3 elements, let's use '+' as the binary operation. Here's our addition table.
a + e = a
b + e = b
e + e = e
You can clearly see that 'e' represents the additive identity, or '0'
a + a = b
a + b = e
b + b = a
You can clearly see that 'a' is '1' and 'b' is 2, and this is just addition modulo 3.
But you can also do this for multiplication, '*', and the 'e' works out to be '1' when you create the multiplication table modulo 3.
In short, addition and multiplication are both groups with a binary operative and an identity element. You can make them one to one. And the way you can do this with real numbers is with exponents.
So you all know that if you multiple two numbers raised to the same power, it ads the exponents right? e.g.
2^3 * 2^2 = 2^5, that is 8*4 = 32, or 2*2*2 * 2*2 = 2^5.
The inverse of this is the logarithm:
ln (2^3) = 3 ln 2
ln (2^2) = 2 ln 2
So if you add two logarithms:
3 ln 2 + 2 ln 2 = 5 ln 2
And reverse the logarithm with e^x, you get 2^5.
That is, logarithms convert addition into multiplication.
There is no possible way Terrence's bs makes any consistent sense.
It's an embarrassment to have him debating someone like Eric, because I highly doubt Terrence knows what the held an isomorphism even is.
Terrence signed one Ironman contract one time, and expected to be in two movies.
This is such a good comment 😂
LMAO!
bro i loled for 10 seconds after reading that . well done
this comment. 👆😂😂
Beautiful
Jesus, I can't wait for South Park to take a swing at this.
you just know they’re already on it lmaooo
good one
Ok boomer
@@trippyliquidsI hope so😂😂
Lol I bet Howard wouldn't care if they poked a lil fun at em
Imagine Joe Rogan is the one playing the piano and hitting the bong
This might be the best comment ever posted
Amazing lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Ahahahahahaaa
Jamie make that a t shirt
''Jamie, play something classical on that piano..''
There's this saying in Portugal, "the worst blind is the one that refuses to see". Meaning that Terrence will never understand it because he refuses to do so. It's a dead end discussion.
You just described most of the population.
Sometimes it has to sink in for stubborn people
I see two people having a civil debate,some of us can't
And visa Versa.
I thought of 2 real world examples of multiplying 1×1 (i like the 1st more but idk how valid either are )
1. 2 seperate balls of playdough can multiply and become 1 ball
2. A person was created-another person can create an identical sculpture of that person ; or the person who will be sculpted can just sculpt themselves (cloning 1 person in a sculpture once , could be multiplying 1 by 1 )
Terrence Howard is the Steven Seagal of maths.
Lmao
"Im 50% Russian-Mongol, mathematically speaking" -Sensei Howard
"I've been doing math for like 45 years."
@unihumor47 Steven Seagal of maths? More like the Bruce Lee of mind-blowing equations! Just wait till I roundhouse kick your reality with 2+2=5! 😂👊 #MathWarrior #TerrenceLogic
@@unihumor47 lol
Terrence's issue is semantics disguised as science
It’s very cringy.
Exactly
🎯
Watch the whole 4 hr. podcast like I did. He's onto something but because he's not formerly educated in this field. he uses the wrong terminology in a lot of places and tries to teach the experts at the same time which is the wrong way to go about it. Eric said he's right about some things and wrong about so many other things. He understands what he's trying to communicate and promised to help him structure this the right way with the right math.
@coreyfreeman6226 and honestly that's good. He's seeking, he just needs an educated disciplined direction. But honestly I do like Terence's curiosity
when weinstein talked about actual math terms, terrence didn't understand anything
Bro when you realize everything there talking about is made up by humans that made the word of confused English this stuff is so bad that we now use AI to lead the way
Agreed he was clueless
What are u watching, Terrence doesn’t claim to be all knowing and he’s peaked his interest with the linchpin take Terrence is trying to collaborate, challenge and share ideas, u basement dweller
Dunno whats worse. That or the fact that most people in these comments see this clip as two math geniuses having a battle of the minds lmao
Terrence does claim to be a genius who’s changing the world though when in reality he’s just a delusional narcissist.
The Dewey Decimal system is a library classification system.
Why does he bring it up and why does no one correct him?
@@mauritsvanpelt3770 being polite
Haha yea. That right there is a perfect example of everything he says. Peak Dunning-Kruger.
That’s very good 😊
Lol that's hilarious. What the fuck did he say it was? Sorry I don't have a desire to listen to his insane ramblings for hours, so just break it down for me.
Also, I put this in another post but a serious question: does anyone think this guy could explain a single math term beyond grade 8? What a limit is, what's a derivative, what's an integral, and how limits pertain to them? Does ANYONE think this guy understands why 0.9999999......cont = 1? Does anyone believe this guy could explain even basic statistics like confidence intervals, null hypotheses, what Z and T tests are (and the difference between them), and what the P value you get represents for those confidence intervals?
Does anyone believe this guy understands imaginary numbers and why they're extremely useful when you're graphing root functions or using a unit circle?
Does anyone even think this guy could explain a proof on why a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square?
Idk why I'm even typing snybod this because the answer is obviously: "No you idiot, why are you even asking these questions? The dude is dumb as a bag of rocks, of course he doesn't understand ANY of that. L
Terrance references the dewey decimal system like it’s a mathematical theory when it’s just a system the library uses to sort books. 😂
I was expecting Eric to at least laugh. He was very gracious.
I thought I was the only one that picked up on that.😅
I think he assumed that it must be a mathematical term because it had the word "decimal" in it. So he chucked it into the conversation, along with all the other words he doesn't understand.
@@Imetalman2000 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He used the dewey decimal system, like he used dollars, as an analogy or example to prove his point. The fact that you failed to understand the analogy is your fault, not his.
Rogan in the background silently puffing a cigar kills me
Rogan loves this shit, he laments getting weird people together to discuss ideas 😂
🤣
Because he ain't got no clue what they are talking about.
Yup, sitting there quietly, puffing on a cigar, sipping on scotch and collecting his million$ all the while, that is real genius!
😂😂😂😂
Eric is smart, Terrence is pretending he's smart, and we're all here pretending like we know what the f*ck is going on.
First of all, speak for yourself & If you're pretending you know what is going on, then how do you know ow that Terrence is pretending to be smart?
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 Jesus Christ dude. I was making a cutesy little joke. Don't be an autistic gremlin and learn how to not take everything so seriously.
The opposite is whats happening.
Do you think this man is taking his time just to get people thinking he's smart? You sound stupid, and the people who liked this dumb comment!
Terrance is smart goofy
another example of a celebrity not being told they are wrong for so long lol
I’d be so fucking embarrassed trying to lecture a literal math genius
I know right. Eric is out of is league acting like he’s smarter than Terrance.
@@benjaminr.899why
@@benjaminr.899😂😂😂😂
Terrence was the genius?
Eric’s problem is that he used 10 words when 1 would do
That's black arrogance right there.
At this point im convinced Terrence Howard just read a bunch of math and science books, and memorised them without understanding ANY of it.
actors tend to have minds for memorization yes
And he also didn't memorize it. He just knows a few of the words and bootstraps them for credibility.
Weinstein told him that his brain was a Ferrari engine in a broken down VW.
Sometimes I hate that I'm an optimist because I still think that's impressive lmfao
As little as I know...I had the same feeling.
Bro the Dewey decimal system is how the library organizes books lmao wtf
Man, he jumps to financial conspiracy, he jumps to a "chemical structure" being created when you say "zero". The other guy has amazing patience and humility.
95% of this episode i can't understand but the other 10% is pure genius
That’s pretty much how I felt as well watching this episode.
almost all of this episode is Terrance trying to run away into another weird statement to not address what Eric just took apart....
whats so hard to understand?
you have 2 positive real numbers
a =4
b =6
for example,
you take the ln of both numbers and add them:
=ln(4) + ln(6)
=ln(4*6)
=ln(24)
Raised to the power of e now,
=e^[(ln(24)]
=24
i’m going to get high AF and watch the whole thing tonight - looking for award to my brain meltingggggg before i fall asleep 😂
@@Loots1great now explain the Unification of Fundamental Physics Using Lagrangian-Euclidian Space, Where GR = QFT in simple terms like you did with that
As a math major, Terrences' claims are actually the first time I got immediately, genuinely pissed off at someone ranting about shit with false confidence(not this, but some short I saw a while ago).
His claims can be disproven with second semester theoretical math.
Lol are you kidding? His wild hypotheses can be completely proven wrong with grade 1 fundamentals of addition
@@vaibhavgaur5268 I think this is an incorrect use of "are you kidding". He made more than one easily disproven claim, I am not talking about this particular one. Relax, we're on the same page here.
In any case, Math is a massive subject, and there are many ways to prove most things. Often with these esoteric types, you need to be able to show multiple arguments, sometimes more elegant, sometimes more rigorous, to get your point across.
I think Terrence is a complete dingbat, and I trust Eric to get the math right since that's his background. That being said, I would love to watch a mathematician and a physicist to react to fact check both of them for good measure.
His claims can be disproven with 3rd grade math
@@mrcrackdonald_1 not rigorously, no.
The funniest shit ever is Eric Weinstein talked mad shit about Howard right to his face yet Degrasse Tyson is the asshole for politely telling Howard he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
😂 it’s cuz the mastta is doing the insults 😂
It’s because Tyson tried to use Howards idea to promote he’s one brand! Tyson thinks businesses, I don’t trust the guy!
@@pifilip1115 This should be good. So how did Tyson use Howard's ideas to "promote he's one brand" in your opinion?
@@thanekrios3211 oh that's ez, I'm not the commenter you where talking to but I'll explain. Basically Neil Degrasse Tyson knows more than most people and that bothers people who have become so miserable in life that their only method of survival is to latch onto a conspiracy theory so they can feel like they have figured out a huge secret ordinary people can't figure out. It gives them purpose. So when Neil comes out and says "that's a conspiracy with no scientific basis" it hurts their feelings.
Yeah I know there's a lot of clips of Tyson being hard to talk to but he's an awesome human being, the fact this guys ideas have had anywhere near the reach they have when he's put so little real work into it is nuts, but Tyson's an enemy of the right so especially on UA-cam the bs hate for him is strooong
Terrence suspiciously sounding like he sold kittens to North Korea for spare parts
😂😂😂
Eric is literally a theoretical physicist who deal with insane levels of math and Terrence is an actor with no degree or even fundamental understanding of math. Eric is way more patient and polite than I'd be.
And that's why he can teach and you can't learn
I'm not a uni grad in math so I've never really commented on Eric's content. However it is fascinating stuff to listen to. And keep it at that.
Actors and artists often suffer from an inspirational dry period and will try anything to get out of it.
Terence doesn’t even understand language let alone math. He can’t get over his misunderstanding the word “multiply.”
"Than I'd be" nobody cares how you would be, you are irrelevant in this whole scenario
That don't matter. You are obsessed with tittles. That's why Eric decided to engage. But people like you are the true problem.
Prof Weinstein has a tremendous amount of patience here.
Yeah he approached this terrifically
He was a teacher so its basically been his job to talk to people like this
you have to, he is a so earnest, and he does seem smart, just grossly under educated and kind of arrogant.
Howard is just desperate to come up with a unit of measurement that proves that his penis isn’t hilariously small.
@@enterpassword3313 a teacher = fraud, a teacher is someone whos soooo brainwashed they spout the brainwashed nonsense they spout, you ever think weinstein is wrong and a fraud? why not? because your perception is trained and you lack intelligence or you would know any human who worships newton is a fraud, newton had theory's like terrance, newton did not create the laws of gravity or the laws of motion nor discover them as gun powder ,slingshots, catapults, compass , people sailing seas, people building pyramids, and we could go on and on. 100 percent proof he discovered nothing just credited with it just like Columbus was credited with discovering America even though it was already founded and being used.... and was founded before Europeans. this is what happens when teachers who are brainwashed who think they hold reality because of their weak arse programming ego
Using "Dewey Decimal system" as a mathematical function should have been the tip off he doesn't know wtf he's talking about
I didn’t realize the Abstract Algebra courses I took in college would actually benefit me on a rogan podcast
Same, I’m getting ‘Nam flashbacks to group theory
Ah yes, identity elements, normal groups, solvables, Sylow, Archimedean principle, Peano's system and all that. Damn.
Or just a basic understanding of what a field is
@@wagashi9440nam flashbacks 😂 oh the audacity
Am I the only one feeling cringe when terrance answered
Dewy decimal system 😂
@@LinksQuest😂😂😂😂
So many of us are.
Anyone with a basic understanding of math can relate
It's cringe when Eric speaks too because he deliberately tries to use jargon and overcomplicate things to make himself sound smarter. It's because his own mind can't process and understand all the concepts he's trying to use so he has to use labels instead of just using them with the minimum amount of fuss to get to his exact point. And because his mind is limited like that, he can't get the recognition he wants, so he dives even further into the jargon to try and get his self-esteem from that. If you want to see the difference, watch an interview with Richard Feynman, who was a Nobel Prize winning physicist, you'll see how Feynman wastes no words and simply wants to be understood.
Just realized I AM NOT SMART
Don’t worry, that makes two of us.
@@GoingRogan 2? Can u be sure?
I wonder when terrence will realize that.
If only Terence would accept his limitations too
Just accepting that makes you smarter than Terrence, although that bar is low
Idiocracy is manifesting itself through Terrence.
and JRE is the president
We Wuz Maf Xperts n Sheet....
Can you believe scam artist Elon told all these stupid rich people to have more kids. Because who else will prop up Tesla down the road.
"Idiocy" not "Idiocracy"
@@notsopopuIarlmao he knows what he said and he isn’t wrong. It’s a reference to the movie idiocracy
Bold assumption at this point is Terrence NOT selling kittens to North Korea
I genuinely thought Terence was joking about this whole thing but it seems he is really serious 😂
I half expected him to say that's a really good idea
kittens got me
More typical of a Weinstein
Hmm 🤨
Terrance just mixes a whole bunch of things together and thinks they can work like that
eric trying to be nice to him because he knew that he mentally challenged. this is not how academician think. they have proper method and not simply puke out words without context.
terrence are insulting decades of science work and put us back in stone age and make believe.
If you mix water and remove the hydrogen molecule when it’s in a cube form then add in two plutonic shapes when there’s no straight line, then the entire banking system will collapse.
And “they” know this and don’t want me to say anything.
@@jefferi78 Actually this is an entire field of mathematical philosophy. This is just the first time you're hearing it.
@@TheSwordfish009 , yes. there is something like you said but terrence has no business in talking about this because he even can't understanding what is math.
you can't build a rocket before you understand how car and plane work.
people need to understand there are steps to go through before you master any skills. true there are some prodigy kids does that, but terrence is not prodigy. he just an actor who might be playing a character just to trolling us and make a name in his fading fame.
Word salad is on the menu.
"Can I get an ayahuascachinno." 😂😂😂
That was the best part.
Genius. Did Rogan come up with that or is that a thing?
@@joecole6875 no, Eric said it almost at the end of this video. 🤣
Eric has definitely drank some medicine
@@ConradoHdz38328 Oh, I thought it was Rogan. Haha really funny stuff.
@@joecole6875Rogan could never say something so funny.
I'll never be able to watch a Terrence Howard movie again without thinking about how dense he is.
Aww mayne...
This is actually what makes him such a great actor, he is fully immersed in the role. He’s just a regular dude who’s extremely charming and articulate. Hence a good actor.
Same. He's killing his career (or boosting a new one, I'm not even sure anymore)...
@@ogelsmogelhis next role is being a sentient neutron Star, struggling with the Fact that he is not very bright.
That's assuming any of his movies are worth watching in the first place.
I love when he brings up the Dewey Decimal System outside of a library context.
And apparently it's "wack"
I thought the Dewey Decimal System was the way we use to find our books in the library.
It is.
Anything can go into a word salad. Facts are not relevant.
Yep it is. He just makes shit up endlessly.
But it has the word decimal in it, and that's numbers, so, like, why not?
@@ts89540 you need to read more non fiction boards😂
Since Terrance has made it clear that he thinks 1x1= 2, people aren't going to take whatever else he has to say serious
THIS ^
Thus, I am glad Terrance put that equation at the beginning of his paper.
Feels like that's where he (mistakenly) hung his hat and there's no going back.
also if a chef told you his favourite dish is poo, you wouldnt want to eat his chocolate mousse.
I completely dismissed him when he, just 30 seconds into the interview with Joe, claimed that he remembers being six months old STILL inside his mothers uterus and remembers being born and being circumsised.
And his proof for this was that his son loves light.
Like.... what the fuck?!
Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't have time
Eric Weinstein: I do
NdGT did have time and responded directly to Howard with a review of Howard's idea written down for him. Howard just didn't like what Tyson sent back in review. Take a look at NdGT addressing this: ua-cam.com/video/1uLi1I3G2N4/v-deo.htmlsi=Gl-B7ZbxoDjENoFF
@@foxbat2828 I'm aware I was just referring to Neil deGrasse response when he was asked why he didn't sit down with turns on a podcast and go talk about it.
I'm holding out for a Joaquim Phoenix style reveal from Howard: "Nah, I'm just F'ing with you. This is for my next self-produced movie".
😀😀😀😀 Terrence is probably doing a PR campaign for an off-broadway show about Michio Kaku
Hes quietly been saying things like this for years
No he’s not that good of an actor, he’s just dumb.
Nah, he's too agitated when talking for it to be just acting. He's mentally ill, and those are actual delusions of grandeur.
@@xavirik4828he should have stayed quiet lol now everyone knows he is a complete moron.
It is not a debate, it's a free lecture
its gobbledygook
@@BLUEGENE13 thats all TH provides, yes. Good observation. As for Eric, its nobodies fault but your own if your too uneducated to understand what hes saying
Yessir 😮
@@dimitriuss You're* [or you are]
If Terrence wasn’t a famous actor, he would just be another guy talking to himself on the street. But because he’s famous for saying lines, everyone listens to him and gives him a platform. That’s sad and just one of the things wrong with society.
Because he's famous and self taught he hasn't had anyone around him to tell him his ideas are bs.
That is exactly the problem
You do realize that he had a scholarship and was in school for chemical engineering before dropping out and taking acting seriously, right?
@@AriJordanAnd what kind of scholarship did he get, what school was it, how long did it take for him to drop out and how well did he do during this time?
Just saying he got a scolarship is kinda misleading because scholarships aint something uncommon.
Also people who are not even close to be an undergrad are notoriously know for being a knowitall and once they more educated they get humbled.
@@adamostman3509sounds like to me your projecting, or just can’t stand to see a black man articulate himself. If you been following, he already explained on Rogan that he dropped out of college.
If 1x1 is 2.
Why is 1x2 also 2.
Because Terrence thinks common language and math are the same thing
Well Terrance it was fun while it lasted
Now Terrensology is the new Flat Earth.... this pseudoscience movement wont stop and it will take years to clearly bs he has introduced
😂😂😂😂😂😂
As quickly as it started…
No it wasn't
Eric: "Terrance, what are the number of kittens you've sold to N.Korea for organs?"
Terrance: "7."
Eric: "What??"
LMAO
WHAT?
Made me choke haha
😂😂😂😂😂
It was a horrible example. Keep it simple to nail Terrence down. Any extra is an escape tangent for Terrence.
‘Take the natural log of their number…’ (Terrence has left the chat)
Broh... Terrence leave the chat long long long time ago...
@@ErnestoGrundy hahaha
That whole explanation by EW was way over the top to explain 1x1=1. He should have kept it super simple and asked TH to explain why he thinks it equals 2. He also should have questioned TH on why he thinks it contradicts conservation of energy or his action/reaction crap.
TBH I majored in math and I checked out there as well... :)
@@wrc1210 I think most of us who are trashing Terrence have a mathematics or engineering background, but yea in fairness Eric’s explanation just needlessly overcomplicated everything
The patience being displayed here should inspire us all
Terrance will go down in history as the smartest actor on Empire.
Well, Jussie was there… so that an advantage.
lol
Taraji did play a mathematician in a movie, so I'm guessing she used Terrance to help her for the role, because if 1 times 1 equals 2 we gotta check all the calculations on this thing 😂
That's not saying much lol
😅😂
“That’s the Dewey Decimal system!”
“It’s not the Dewey Decimal” ☠️
And no one called him on it.
For a guy who has read all the wrong books…ironic, isn’t it?
He said the same Dewey decimal thing years ago when he spoke at Oxford, dude doesn’t get called out much I guess
@@LinksQuest I like Terence, but he needs help. He is a great actor and artist
Read a shxtload of books as a child.
Doesn't know what the Dewey decimal system is. 😂
I’m sorry but poor T is not sane.
His followers are even worse. Im almost convinced he is some psyop.
The problem lies in, bet you can't prove him wrong
@@shxpsixcreative4318we don't have to, burden of proof is on him.
@@shxpsixcreative4318 you can definitely prove him wrong, the problem lies in that he goes off into different tangents that you have multiple things you have to prove wrong, and a lot of it is based on theoretical unproven science
You can prove him wrong- but so his what if statements cause confusion because what if are just that and you can’t scientifically disprove all the what ifs because the amount of knowledge you’d have to have would be too massive
This is not a debate. This is someone trying to teach an actor.
Emphasis on "trying", cause he obviously isn't listening.
dude is stuck in his last dmt trip, his brain is fried
It actually open his mind and if you have knowledge which he does.. he is using theorys of the field meaning he understand
@@JarellLavender89you must also be stuck in your last dmt trip
@@colobr nature doesnt follow our math.. creating life doesnt follow our rules..
and nature been here longer then us.. natures math is different then ours
We say 1 + 1 equal 2
@@JarellLavender89 nature and math aren’t the same thing. You’re not a genius, you’re just high
@@colobr is absolutely a natural phenomenon wtf are you talking about?
Neil deGrasse Tyson said it best that he knows enough to sound right but not enough to know when he is wrong.
Enough to sound right to someone who doesn't know what decimal or dodecahedron means, but only until he brings up that 1*1=2.
Tyson is a goof who thinks a man can instantly become a woman just by saying he is a woman
Normalize telling people they aren’t right because they feel they’re right.
That is the norm...
Thank you!!! That’s the world we currently live in.
@@rocket6173if it were the norm we wouldn’t be having convos about men becoming girls and girls becoming men.
I got ran out of denver for being like that. Most of peoples day to day is utter fantasy and its social faux pas to even say this style of thinking could be possible, even as you witness it in real time. I think because a lot of people don't like Trump, they consider only Trumpers to have this weakness -- no. It seems like Americans in general live off of fabrications in order to cope, and you're seriously not allowed to prove it without serious social backlash.
Your use of the word "normalize" makes me suspect your positions and wonder if you could handle that. 😂
He literally says "I understand 1x1 is one, one time" If he understands that then why is this argument taking place?
He wants to change math, not correct it. He has some kind of physics math he's trying to figure out or something.
He says he understands the concept of having one thing one time. However, I'm pretty sure he doesn't know what the associative property is which he's referring to has the associative principle. The associative property doesn't say anything remotely close to what he asserts. So his disagreement comes from his own misunderstanding. I believe his argument is that his version of the associative principle says that if you multiply two positive integers then you're really just taking the first number and adding itself a number of times equal to the second integer. If that was true, then 1x1 would equal 2...but that's not how the associative property works. Now, if he's referring to something else, then maybe he just conflated addition and multiplication. I don't know.
"I understand" has become a defense mechanism to deflect accepting wrong. So many people don't use it correctly.
@@tykejack You do take 0, and then you add the first number a number of times equal to the second number (or vise versa).
But that's not what he's saying. He's trying to think of it "in objects", and if you "mutliply 1 dollar times 1 dollar", you "lose a dollar" if the result is 1 dollar, which "can not be, because you're losing the energy of 1 dollar".
He has an idea of an idea that is so undefined that it offers no opportunity for scrutinization. You're giving him too much credit thinking that there's some actual logic to this shit.
addition is adding two values together.
multiplication is putting a value in a copy machine and asking how many copies you want.
you want zero copies, you get zero copies.
you want 1, you get one copy.
you want 2 copies, multiply it by two.
I swear to god, Terrence got mad that Marvel didn’t wanna pay him more than RDJ, and his thought process was “Well, Robert is just playing a genius, I’m gonna go and con everyone into thinking I’m an ACTUAL genius, and that’ll show ‘em.” 😂
Terrence thought he was Will Hunting until Weinstein came along
How did you get your name like that?
@@_vakas what????
UA-cam updated everyone's names recently, giving them a Twitter styled username with the @ symbol. But it looks like you don't have the update?
@@_vakas Sorry, wasn’t aware of that.
I guess I’m lucky that mine remained the same
Lucky. I miss the old UA-cam
Terrance is why happens when your read something, remember it but not understand it..
Nah he’s what happens when you dare to push the needle forward he may be mathematically incorrect, but he’s going places with the linchpin and I don’t think you can’t grasp a concept outside a class room.
No, he's just an INTJ personality type.
INTJ personalities' major function is Introverted Intuition (Ni). This function involves focusing on future possibilities, abstract thinking, and deep understanding through patterns and concepts. It drives INTJs to see the big picture, envision long-term goals, and make connections between seemingly unrelated ideas.
However, this often leads to experiencing a sense of knowing something without being able to explain how they know it due to their dominant Introverted Intuition (Ni). This function allows them to unconsciously synthesize information and identify patterns, leading to insights and conclusions that can seem to come out of nowhere. This can make their knowledge appear almost intuitive or instinctive, even if the logical process behind it isn't immediately clear to them or others.
As a fellow INTJ, this happens to me a lot, and can be rather frustrating, but it's not that we're not paying attention or anything like that.
@@joearispe337Honest question. What is the shape of the planet we are on?
@Khimari-vs8hm personality types is not real science. Matter of fact whatever Terrance is saying is realer than these personality types.
he has the little above average iq for his peers, but his confidence is 200%
Terrance said “Dewey Decimal System” with such confidence that I started questioning my whole education.
Seriously, for anyone that can’t follow the other things he’s saying this should be your core piece of evidence that he’s a moron. He’s mentioned the Dewey decimal system in multiple other conversations too including his talk at Oxford. That shit isn’t about math, it’s how we organize books at a library💀
Haha, the way Eric was so professional was out of this world. I think Terrance has a ton of random things inside his head that he just uses without any real association... Man threw out a library sorting system to explain why you can't multiply a dollar by a dollar...
Such incredible bullshit. It has nothing to do with science whatsoever. It is a system to organize libraries.
Lol he did the same thing when he addressed the oxford union and I’ve probably watched an hour of this dude rambling and it’s easily my favorite thing
@@godssss42i thought there was something wrong with me finding it so fun 😂 glad im not the only one
Terrence is an example of why a person cannot simply teach themselves math due to the fact you can simply treach yourself incorrectly. Terrence is also an example of how just because you read a lot doesnt mean you you are knowledgeable.
I'm sure someone could teach themself math. It's not that *nobody*, can, but Howard sure can't.
No, its worse. He is an example of what happens when you just get angry or sad when things dont go your way and other people concede. There is the only way he went through school.
ChatGPT, explain this to me like I’m a 5th grader. And then explain it again like I’m last in my class.
*like im a really stupid 5th grader
Weinstein basically gave a verbal proof as to why multiplication and addition function differently and explained how if anything he was saying was actually correct would break all of math and science at a fundamental level. He's nicely calling him an idiot.
So explain it exactly the way you were when you were in fifth grade?
😂😂😂
Terence is all over the place. He'll throw in things like the dewey decimal system which has more to do with libraries which is totally irrelevant to his argument.
he loves to name drop and talk long meandering walks down history line anything to avoid being put on the spot
The fact that Eric didn’t fall on the floor laughing and call him a fool is a testament to his character and his desire to teach Terrence how math actually works.
Lol that cracked me up
Eric caught that too and was like “the dewey decimal system.. 🤦♂️”
Yeah, it is a dead giveaway to literally everyone even those that don't understand what Terrence Howard is talking about. It takes one Google search about "Dewey Decimal System" and everything he says falls apart. He just memorizes things just to memorize.
It's sad that Terrence even thinks he's comprehending anything at all. Dr. Weinstein was very gracious.
He actually surprisingly knows a lot more than many on here. Watch the whole 4 hr. podcast before judging the man. Ya'll go off clips and think you know the whole story.
@@DenisDamulira23 No, he’s definitely a pseudo intellectual. I got secondhand embarrassment
@@LAFooFrmLAwho was the one that had the "jacket of knowlege" on?
@@DrReginaldFinleySr I don’t think you all are watching the full podcast
@@DenisDamulira23 Terrance isn't going to see you white knighting for him bro.
"Hey Terrence, How many Oscars d'you have? Hey Terrence, How many Iron Man Sequels have you been in?"
Fun fact, Terrance actually has a third degree PhD in Oral Diarrhea.
Years from now he will be proven correct.
If I clone 1 goat, I times it by 1.
I end up with 2 goats. The original and the new.
1 x 1 = 2.
@@jaredleicht1656is that a joke?
@@jaredleicht1656 You clone 1 goat that becomes 2 x 1 😂
It’s cloning doubling?? So…times 2
@jaredleicht1656 My man cloning means times 2😂😂😂.You and that Terence fool both don't know what yall saying
This is like office hours when an 18 year old freshman is visiting his professor. The professor tries to explain politely rather than say “You don’t know what you’re talking about.”
Pretty harsh on freshmen. They at least have a basic understanding of the subject matter.
The big difference is the freshman nvr try to reinvent anything
A student like Terrence would not even be accepted in the school to take the class. There is a reason standardized test exist, to weed out people like this wasting everyone’s time.
Is the freshman also schizophrenic in your scenario?
@thanekrios3211 True! I should have said a first-semester *_freshman attempting to debate_* his professor during office hours.
I learned one thing the hard way: There is no way to talk someone out of a clinical psychosis, no way to win since you're not even competing in the same sport. In the case of Howard it's not doing him any service to publicly expose him and give him ever more opportunities to ridicule himself. He has a serious condition and he doesn't need astrophysicists, mathematicians or talk show hosts. What he needs is a therapist.
And it better be a damn good one.
Medication.
He is no different then a flat earther. They used pseudo science to defend their logic and no matter what you say, they will simply rationalize that you are wrong with insane logic.
Just look at maga comments
@@CesarM780 You gotta explain that one 😂
I'm dumber than I thought
I realized I was bad at mathematics at Algebra 2/Trigonometry, Junior year of high school. The beginning of this clip actually made me count my chromosomes again just to be sure.
I took a full dose of Terence Howard on my headphones asleep , I keep leaving the cooker on , the door unlocked and forget to wipe my ass
Lucky you.. I'm using Terence talk to finally LEARN how to wipe my ass
😂😂😂😂
Terence Howard is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
this is better than biden vs trump lol
Definitely the debate of the century.
Anything with out Biden is better than
@@truthalwaysprevail2738 Terrance made about as much sense as half of Trumps rambling word salads where he forgets where he is and who hes there to talk to or about but go off LOL The world will remember the great "Shark electric fence" speech he did recently because hes so much better...... so uhhhh articulate........ Both scoff and so do you.
Terrance just completely ignored Eric’s explanation that zero is a number and went in another direction. Then cigar Joe joins in on the digression. Lmao
Complex numbers are numbers too.
He thinks 0 shouldn't exist because even in empty space there is something, but 0 doesn't even mean a universal nothingness like that. It means none of the exact specific thing your referencing.
0 cats in the room does not mean a room completely devoid of all existence. It means a room with no cats!
Joe being there is like a fly in the wall who has no understanding of what the explanation was about. His audience is also not the audience for such kind of things probably Lex would've been better at summarising Eric's explanation in Layman's terms.
😂😂😂😂
There is none like he said. @@cakep4271
Terrence just says Dewey Decimal System when it's got zero to do with the conversation. And they just ignored it and kept going. The guy just pulls random terms out of his ass not even knowing what they mean and pretends it's perfectly relevant to the conversation.
This is like if a 40k orc came to earth to explain how his spaceship flies.
But Ork aircraft are capable of flight.....the Ork boy just has to believe it can fly, for it to fly.
Trukk + red= fast trukk. Bomb x yellow = boomier boom
😂😂
Any warhammer fan will understand how amazing this comment is😂
Flight was too difficult. We found it was easier to move the universe around the ship.
Only when Terrence speaks, the music is comical.
I did try to find something suitable for Terrence talk.
@@GoingRogan It’s perfect.
🙏
😂😂😂
That's just your individual perspective, yet you present it as imperial. That was not my experience. Regards
THE PIANO 💀💀💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Dude loses his mind over piano in the background
I think the piano was a nice touch
The best part 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bahahaha
Terrence states that multiplication is how many times a number is added to itself. This doesn’t work for any equation let alone 1 x 1. This definition would work for 1 x 2 only if it is read as 1 added to itself 2 times. But if you read it 2 added to itself 1 time you would get 4 as the answer.
Multiplication is actually stating how many instances of a given number there are. This is reversible for both numbers in the equation. 1 x 2 can be read as 1 instance of 2, or 2 instances of 1. Both ways of reading the equation give you an answer of 2.
The problem with Terrence’s ideas are he created a definition that doesn’t work for any equation didn’t test it against any other equation and then says that’s why 1x1 doesn’t work.
tim dillon shoulda been the other guest to confront howads insanity
No
I would pay to see Tim go on one of his yelling rants.
Eric Weinstein: The exam
Terrence Howard: My brain in the exam
Terrence is clueless . He is just living in a fantasy world where he believes he knows something.
That didnt go a little bit over Terrence's head , that went about 30,000 feet above him 😂😂
And Eric isn't even tryna ve confusing you can tell to him this is very simple 😂
@@limittestresearchinstituti5801 hell I understood alot of what he said and im just an engineer 😂
@@limittestresearchinstituti5801
It is not complicated maths. It is pretty basic stuff really
@DH-rj2kv ik it is I learnt logs in high school and I wasn't even going into anything stem related 😅 and yet notice how dead silent Terrence is when Eric speaking 😅😅😅😅
Eric is such a good guy. No superiority complex. He could have easily been dismissive here but he is is aware he's not just politely teaching Terrance a lesson in mathematics, but also Rogans audience.
He definitely has a superiority complex. He explains things in such a weird way. Over explains the simple things and uses terms that you would only understand if you’ve studied physics/math like they are everyday words.
He is also being nice however. The 2 traits are not mutually exclusive
@@WarmEmpanadait's because we all know how Terrance would act at any perceived signs of disrespect.
How can you teach a man that is not your student … uneven discussion/debate?!
@@WarmEmpanadaYes, he intentionally uses complicated terms although it could be said in much simpler words. Especially in his previous apperances on the podcast.
Eric has an inferiority complex... just look and listen
This is all a hustle where terrance uses his exposure to sell phony patents to third world countries. There are literally videos of him speaking in countries governments about his patents.
I garuntee he's a front for a small shady organisation, who best ti scam people than an actor?
The funniest part is if he really is selling his trash, incomprehensible patents to ignorant companies, they be better off having an actual inventor / engineer draw them up so they're at least legit-looking
Retardence's patents don't even make sense. His diagrams are random drawings and he doesn't explain or mention how any electronics or parts work
The number you multiply by represents how many addition steps required to find the difference number that needs to be added to the original number being multiplied by.
If 1x9 = 9. There’s one addition step of finding the difference between 1-9.=8. And we take that diff number and add it to our multiplying number. So 1x9 is the same as 1+8
If we multiply by 2. Then it takes 2 addition steps to find the difference we would need to add to our multiply number of 2. So if say 2x3. Then we would have to add 2+3=5. And the diff between 2 and 3 is 1. So 2x3 is the same as 2+3+1=6. If this is the law of X and + being the same. Then 1x1 would be the same as 1+0.
The fucked up part is that Terrence takes himself seriously and is willing to die on this hill.
No the fked up part is he has platform to talk sht
@@shubhamkhulpe4669 A HUGE platform (JRE) full to the brim of the most gullible people on the internet
bro we still tryna figure shit out like this!? 😂😂
When I listen to these two it’s like I’m a cat and my owner is trying to teach me how count to 10. Not gonna happen.
"We" are not trying to figure anything out. Terrence is the only person lost in this conversation. 1+1 was figured out long ago.
💀💀full convos on this subject
@@jasonwhite64631×1 is whats in question. Time tables should be addition which would change math and give a larger scale of whole numbers. TH is simply asking to test his theory and scientists are too smart to say they can't because it doesn't exist
@@collectiveconsciousnessbeingsOn what? Figuring out 1+1? Wow, what a genius Terrence is!
All this time howard was thinking "How do you take natural log of numbers? Trees have logs numbers dont"
I had this thought years ago, because if 1 + 1 = 2 or 1 add 1 = 2 then why does 1 multiplied by 1 not equal 2? If we are multiplying 1, 1 time then it should equal 2. The real equation to getting 1 as an answer should be 1 X 0 = 1 because you are multiplying 1 by nothing, therefore the answer remains 1. So again multiplying 1 x 1 should technically equal 2.
And 2 x 2 should technically = 6 because if you have a single 2, then you multiply that 2 twice, that 2 would now become 6 not 4, again we would now have 3 number 2s including our initial 2, making a total of 6. If it becomes 4 like is taught conventionally, then what happened to the 2 we initially used to multiply itself twice? does it just disappear? Remember we are not adding 2 to 2 which yes would equal 4, we are multiplying or duplicating the number 2 twice, so with that we now have 3 number 2s, the one we started with and the other 2 that were duplicated or multiplied.
Anyway i digress, the way i have overcome this is to just not say multiplied by because that word shouldn't even be used in this context for mathematics as it just confuses the situation, as we are not multiplying anything. It would makes more sense to say "2 sets of 3 = 6". "Sets of" is the word the should have used, not multiplied by. 1 set of 1 would be 1, 1 set of 2 would be 2, 2 sets of 2 would be 4 and so on.
Interesting, I get the logic actually. Cause if I had 2 apples, then multiplied by 4, there would be 4 "2 apple sets" multiplied like cells from the initial 2 apples(that are still there). So you'd have 5 sets of 2 apples, making it 10 apples.
However its flawed logic unless you're calculating like cells multiplying or something else niche. There might even already be a math term for this sequence.
Actually just thought of the best, most simplest example. Terrance Howard is right if you say "if I had 1 cell multiply 1 time, how many cells do I have now?" It would be 2 cells, cause the second cell broke off from the first when it multiplied once.
Though really its just changing the definition of multiply.
There was an episode of Buffy where one of the young vampires was talking about his cool new computer setup. The problem was that the writers clearly had NO idea what they were talking about. As a future tech who was going to school to learn more about the subject at the time, but was already somewhat knowledgeable, it was just a bunch of gibberish. That's what Howard sounds like to anyone who understands even basic math and science.
It’s like when The Big Bang Theory had an episode about World of Warcraft and everything they said made almost literally no sense. It’s clear no one who was writing it actually had any knowledge, it seemed more like they just read an article on Wikipedia and tried to synthesize what they thought they understood
Most shows are like that
@@noahboone524 yeah, not everyone's a William Gibson inventing cyberspace on a typewriter.
@noahboone524 I think this is seen most frequently in CSI shows and anything computer based. "There is someone who infiltrated the ram drive using a backdoor in the cpu. If I can enhance the resolution, I might be able to detect the hacker and spike their raid drive using a qwerty layout. That's if they didn't VPN their Lan access first and decrypt the encrypter boondoggle."
@@tykejack 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is f-king GOLD!!!! Edit: Always with the green screen and load-bar in the background!!! 🤣🤣
Where’s Vsauce when you need him
Hes busy doing prime number in white room with electric shock machine.
V is lost in the sauce
Terrence Howard shouldn’t have a platform.
That’s very unamerican of you trying to limit freedom of speech.
We actually need more people who are willing to look stupid. We are currently in a stagnation period. Peter thiel would agree with my statement.
freedom of ramblings 😂
@@magnusgranskau7487 just how you have freedom of rambling here
The US has a surplus of people looking stupid. You have succeeded@@vicvic2081
Wait, I understand what he says about addition being isomorphic to multiplication under the logarithm function, but I don't understand what he is trying to get at. Is he saying that we don't need to define multiplication because we can replicate it with addition and logarithms? If that is the case, you would still need to define the logarithm, and from what I understand, you need multiplication in order to define the logarithm rigorously. Wouldn't that be circular reasoning?
This is a conversation you have when your on like hour 6 of tripping with buddies conversing and most ppl have passed out but the ones left awake are suddenly engaged in deep conversations no one will remember in a day after your trip mellows and ends and you can’t even articulate how you began this convo and you hear the birds chirping and realize you’ve been up and have to go to work in 2 hours and know your calling off and thinking you just had one of the most profound conversations of your life without recalling anything you discussed
I forgot my pen
Notice how quiet Terrance got when Weinstein started talking because he is clearly knowledgeable. I think he is out of his league talking with this dude
You think? He made up his retarded 1x1 idea when he was 6, because that was when he learned about multiplication and could not understand it. Not making this up btw, he said that himself. A smart 6 year old is out of his league in terms of mathematical understanding.
Don't mistake common courtesy with intelligence. Terrence is quiet because Eric is speaking. You would know this if common courtesy was still practiced.
@JuniperThings579 it's because eric is way more intellectual than terrence and he hasn't got the brain capacity or knowledge to challenge him, if he could have, he would, he's done it to plenty of people that didn't understand what he was talking about, terrence is smarter than the average person, but goes like eric are at the elite level, terrence is barely a novice in these fields
@@chrisfricker7025 Terrance is being open to criticism and opinions about his work. He states it multiple times.
@@chrisfricker7025I doubt Terrence is even smarter than the average person. Terrence is living inside of a delusion unlike I’ve ever seen.
The Dewey decimal system has to do with card categorization in a library. So how do you go from the categorization of books, to currency, to the flower if life, to knowledge of the gods? One of my favorite interviews
I was waiting for Eric to call him out on that but it never happened.
Because he’s insane
Was wondering that too. Like wtf.
Before that I heard one of them say "if you times a human by an ant..", so I have NO idea bro
But he also didn't have time to talk about the other 57 things that were going through his brain at that very moment either, sooooo....
I believe Terrence may not have the articulation for math but is more clear and understandable than this scientist!
This should not be a debate in the first place.
Welcome to modern times, anyone can talk and the value of their word is not based on truth, instead this is a popularity contest and scammers and crazy people are thriving
It's so stupid. I don't know how this guy has the patience to even discuss this with Terrence.
Its not a debate Bro, its just entertainment.
It was an intervention
In clown world where a man can be a woman and a person can use "they/them" pronouns, 1x1 can definitely =2 because anything goes in clown world!
If you disagree, you're an istophobe!
Let's look at 1x1=1 another way. You're buying apples for people 1 apple per person so if there is 1 person, 1 apple per person equals 1 apple needed. 1x1=1.
Yet if 1 apple were to multiply 1 time you DEFINITELY got more than 1 apple... Terrence Howard's point
In that sense it’s just a poor way of saying doubling so x2
@@rayh4975its not one apple were to multiply one time. Its one apple multiplied by one.
Try your logic on 1×2. So one apple is to multiply two times? So like, there's going to be 3 apples now?
How about we try this with money, maybe people will get it. Say gas is $1 per liter. You buy one liter of gas. How much would you pay? Now you buy two liters. How much would you pay? Think about it.
@@kurtschaaf2165 True...but it does make sense regardless of how inefficient it may seem. Seeing that YOU understand the issue and those "academics" do not should show that they aren't even listening!
@@rayh4975he was being sarcastic...
nvm you are a bot anyway
4:50 how tf is the dewey decimal system involved 😂😂😂
Weinstein is a science genius. Howard knows some science words. There's a difference.
If Terrence truly wants someone of an equal genius to his own to partner up with I would recommend Gary Busey.
I fucking just laughed out loud
I spat my tea out reading this
"Multiplication is exaggerated addition". He is like a child glancing at times tables for the first time.
Programmer here, multiplication or the x in multiplication is just a mathematical notation of repeated addition or in programming parlance, 1x1 means, I have 1 instance of 1. 2x1 means I have 1 instance of 2 or 1x2 means I have 2 instances of 1. It's just a bloody symbol. Heck i can say 1 Terrance 1 = 1 or 2 Terrance 1 = 2
Not only that the equal sign means "equivalent to" not "becomes".
I can't believe anyone is taken in by this stuff.
Howard starts his book with 4/2 is the inverse operation of 2*2=4, so 2/1 is the inverse of 1*1=2.
The same algebra that yields 2*2=4 as a restatement of 4/2=2 takes 2/1=2 to 2*1=2, NOT 1*1=2.
And the inverse of 4/2 isn't 2*2, it's 2/4. That's the inverse of 4/2.