Gotta get sleightholme in for me, has been playing some outstanding rugby recently. Him and Feyi-Waboso could an absolute handful as the wing pair. Big fan of Murley tho who's been a bit unlucky with England camps.
I think F Waboso still has a lot to learn. Watching the Glaws/Exeter game, he showed a tendency to always look for contact and bulldoze his way to the try line. He needs to look for two on ones and in / outs more often and mix up his game.
I’d go Ollie Slieghtholm over Murley, biased maybe as a Saints fan but a back line of Mitchell, Smith, E F-W, Lawrence, Slade, Slieghthom and Furbank (still a big Stewart fan but I don’t think he has the pace). And the possibility of Freeman in the centres as well is exciting.
I'd take both - Murley over Roebuck and Sleightholme over Daly. With Freeman covering 13 and Marcus Smith covering 15 I don't think we need Daly's versatility anymore. And having Freeman, Feyi-Waboso, Sleightholme and Murley as wing options is so exciting.
Which Smith? Finn or Marcus? Because I can't imagine Finn starts either NZ game, and may not make the bench for either. Marcus Smith has been in and out, played in strange positions, worked under Jones when he wanted him to run the most technically advanced attack in rugby history (which is why it was largely shambolic - the experiment failed). But in all those years he has proven that he is an out and out game winner. And of course we can't forget that Ford had a good 6 nations, and could easily be at the next World Cup. I think for 10 as much as any other position, being part of a great team (like Saints are this season) doesn't guarantee you any international rugby. I imagine Ford starts with Marcus on the bench - hopefully Finn getting some time against Japan at least.
Totally agree with Ted Hill one of my favourite players. He's not only a great tackler, his line-out is very solid and he's also a very very good ball carrier. Great off loading and really fast (Hodge and Weyboso chased him for 40m and couldn't get near him). Baxter instead of Marler for sure, especially now that Genge seems to have gone up a level at scrum. Against Ireland and France was very solid, pretty sure he didn't gave a penalty away and won a couple. SA will be his final test. Missed your videos, keep them coming
Don't want to jinx him, but do you not see him and think of Richard Hill - so very unfussy, so very hard as a tackler, and with the same gift of turning up right on the shoulder of someone just as a move was about to break down?
For me an England back five of Itoje, Martin, Hill, Underhill, Earl, with Chessum and CCS on the bench… Plenty of power. Plenty of pace. A nice balance to it.
@@06alepea1he won’t tour surely even if he’s fit. He needs time. His brother should be worth a shot as well. Not convinced by Hill as the next cab off the rank in a position with so much depth.
Agree with all of those. Really pleased that you mentioned Randall, but we have so many good young scrum halves at the moment. Long term I'd like to see Rafi Quirke in the mix as well, if the can ever get an injury free run, as he might be the best of the lot. I'd also take Ojomoh, not sure he's ready for the 23 yet but would be good to get him used to the environment.
Oh yes slieghtholme over Murley . are you forgetting that Murley was the top try scorer last season , most tackles by a back 3 player , most dominants by a back 3 player , most turnover by a back 3 player , 2nd most metres made by a back 3 player . broke christian wades try scoring record between 22-23 with two fewer games . he has just been unlucky with injuries this season but now hes back fit he will be well clear above sleightholme
2 players I would like to see are Rusi Tuima and Ollie Sleightholme. Tuima gives a powerful presence in the second row with some brilliant ball carrying ability and Sleightholme has been brilliant since he came back from injury, fast, strong and a nose for the try line.
I like those options. I think Tumia does fade a little bit in games. If he can be a full 80 player and also then develop like Skelton I think he’ll be a great option. It’s maybe a year too soon but defo an England A player
Huge fan of Ted Hill. Real line-out jumper, a huge work ethic, does a lot of work in the tight, does a lot of defensive work, and has pace. Him and Cunningham South as the options at 6, offering something different. Him and George Martin are absolute bangers. Playing them both will give England the base to get the most out of Ben Earle, Theo Dan, allow the 7 to track the ball and pick opportunities to steal it, slow it down. It feels like the right balance, because he's the type of player that does the scruffy work, that is needed to allow others to play with more pace, or be more open.
No points for guessing who I support. Bev Rodd not mentioned. Only thing that's kept him out of the ENG team was a toe injury...He's now back and firing. You mentioned a young prop (cant spell his name), but no mention of Asher (Sale) who has given Andrew Porter and Joe Marler a lesson in going backwards. No mention of Raffi Quirke. He has been injured, yet was still called up by ENG to spend time with the team while recovering. Finally, Tom Roebuck. He's recently played against IFW and Cadan Murley and was far the better on those given days... He's an 'international' style player. Big, powerful, can finish strong, works off his wing and has one of the best (if not the best) kick chase's in the prem. Thanks for the vid, Chris.
Roebuck didn’t do much against Quins. Murley scored 2 tries. Asher started well but he’s struggled a bit of late in the scrum. He’s younger than Baxter. Not quite ready yet. I’d select Rafi as he’s the best bench option we have but he’s not ready to start ahead of Warr at the moment so still a way to go in terms of game management. Rodd should go ahead of Obano if we take Baxter.
@@mjgclutch Re Roebuck v Murley: More to a performance than finishing a try (or two) and we're talking from an international point of view (the qualities required). As for the other names I mentioned: I'm not making a case for them to be selected. I'm pointing out why Tim should have mentioned them, hence the, "No mention of".... The young prop I was referring to was not Baxter. Of course Asher hasn't been on top of every moment, but neither has the young prop Tim mentions... Or Baxter for that matter.
Agree with your 6, I'd be happy if Painter or Iosefa-Scott replaced D.Cole too, just two see the options. Goes agasint your one in one out rule, but I'd also take Asher Opoku-Foudjour as a 4th options (can play both LH & TH) mainly just to get him in and around the squad rather than playing. Additional players in Rusi Tuima for Alex Coles/Charlie Ewell Zach Mercer for Dombrandt (Mercer deserves a chance and Dombrandt has had lots) Max Ojomoh for Fraser Dingwall Joe Marchant for Oscar Beard (If he signs for Prem club as expected) Joe Cokanasiga for Elliot Daly (With Marchant and Freeman, there is enough utility back cover to drop Daly, although I do love Daly)
Totally agree with Trevor Davison I ve known since he was a colt at Blaydon and I'm over the moon with his progress especially since his move to Northampton and his selection would be well deserved
Sorry, we need to build for the future, he is not a pick for the future, we need to develop future talent and Eddie was too keen to keep with the old guard
If only 6 : Baxter Painter Davison T Hill Barbeary Hartley( dependent on injury assessment) For the summer tour of NZ I’d like to see: Baxter, George, Painter, Itoje, Martin, T Hill, Barbeary, Earl Mitchell, F Smith, Hartley, Freeman, Roebuck, Hodge, Feyi-Waboso Bench: Rapava-Ruskin, Dan, Davison, Chessum, Pearson, Quirke, M Smith, Steward
Hill, barbeary and Evans would be a hell of a back row. Not sure barbeary has the ball playing/vision of a dombrandt or reed type number eight, but would love to be proved wrong.
Porter at Quins might be in with a shout if he finishes the season like he played against Bordeaux. Electric all match, scored and i think he held one up too. He also has the club cohesion with M Smith going for him
We desperately need another 12. Can't fall into the same trap with Manu and keep Lawrence banging away. As much as I like Dingwall, he's not a game breaker. Ojomoh can make a break and then release a 13. Would like to see Ojomoh with Lawrence at 13. Not dismissing Slade at all but we need other options. Ted Hill looks very handy and Alfie Barbeary as an understudy to Earl. Still not convinced about Dombrandt. Just not quite physical enough at international level.
Ollie Sleightholme is impossible to ignore. Would take him over Daly in a heartbeat. Asher Opoku-Fourdjour in the front row, need to get him in there ahead of the likes of Cole and Marler. The longer those two play, the longer the prop issue continues. The sooner England rip the band aid off, the better it will be for them in the long run. Would happily get rid of Isiekwe for Hill, Isiekwe has underwhelmed whenever he's played for England. Rusi Tuima should also get a call up in the second row.
First off, I’m so glad you mentioned Trevor Davison Tim. A no nonsense scrummaging tighthead. I’d also throw Ehren Painter into the mix. Rus Tuima should go I think. He offers something completely different to any other second row. He’d be a great impact sun for Martin. Also, the token Radwan vote. Whilst other wingers are getting that exposure in the champions cup, he’s feeding off scraps in a dire Newcastle team. But he is dynamite. His pace alone would frighten an opposition. There is always the chance that the international game proves too much for him, but chuck I’m in and see.
Good point. England at their best in recent years have had an out and out straight line speedster (May or Ashton) alongside a jinxy workhorse like Nowell or Watson.
Would like to see the young Sale prop get a look - Asher Opoku-Fordjour - looked special every time I've seen him play. Think they will also look at Janse van Rensburg when he becomes English qualified. But I'd do everything possible to get Jack Willis back in England to get him playing, and Arundel, or Hendy at Saints. Tight Head is the main issue these days though.
A bit harsh on Pearson to say he hasn't established himself due to injury, then take Hill over him! Pearson has 18 Saints app for 1140 minutes this season. Hill has 8 Bath apps for 500 minutes. I'd probably pick both. Earl, Underhill, CCS, Barbeary Pearson, Hill, Roots By the time the playoffs, Japan game and NZ tour are done we'll have used that many back rows anyway. Dombrandt can get to fuck for me. Great for Quins in the more open club games but has the physicality of most middle aged men with a hangover and the fitness of my nan.
Bit harsh on Dombrandth, though he does need to improve now. Similar to Freddie at full back. How badly do they want to play for that shirt ? How much work are they prepared to put in . Jury was out on Ben Earl for a while , who I thought was a premiership player. Look at him now.
I’d get Hendy in if possible, alongside Opoku-Fordjour. AOF just to progress him and get him some good training with the elite of the elite, Hendy as a good option for 23, good utility back. Both likely to be at the world cup imo, so worth getting them nailed down for us
I think Sales’ Opoku Fordjour could be a possible bolter for the summer tour although it could be a bit too early for him.There’s just so much hype about this guy.
Instead of too many new faces they should give the fringe players consistant starts the likes of Cunningham South, Ben Spencer, Waboso, Fin Smith need a run of starts and then 1 or 2 new faces like Ojomoh, Baxter
..England-Rugby now have alot of very good young players.. Its how its all put together and managed that determines the success or levels of success of the National Team.. ...........................................
I agree with your selections and reasons but you could also add Bevan Rodd and Ehren Painter to the prop mix. LCD could benefit from a proper rest and pre-season to get properly fit. Hill could be a real positive at 6. no reason why CCS can't play at 8 with Earl at 7 - better balance and blend in the back row. Sleightholme and other Saints backs are on fire
Great starting basis. Are they going to be at the next RWC? If not, out they go. A tour is a great place to have the players under the microscope. Feel so sad for Ben Spencer. Whatever he did to upset EJ seems to have blighted his progress.
Oh yes slieghtholme over Murley . are you forgetting that Murley was the top try scorer last season , most tackles by a back 3 player , most dominants by a back 3 player , most turnover by a back 3 player , 2nd most metres made by a back 3 player . broke christian wades try scoring record between 22-23 with two fewer games . he has just been unlucky with injuries this season but now hes back fit he will be well clear above sleightholme
Mine is very similar! Few changes! Obano for Marler, Opoku Fjour for Cole, , Mercer for Dombrandt, Muir for Spink, Roebuck for Daly! Bit younger I know, givem a crack! I reckon!
1 Ellis 2 George 3 Stuart 4 Itoje 5Martin 6 Hill 7 Earl 8 Barberry 9 Mitchell 10 F Smith 11 Feyi Waboso 12 Lawrence 13 Freeman 14 Muir 15 Furbank 16 Dan 17 Obano 18 Hayes 19 Chessum 20 Pearson 21 Randall 22 M Smith 23 Slade
Strange how we seem to have many choices in the front row , whereas before the World Cup it seemed bleak . Credit to Borthwicks staff particularly Tom Harrison who’s improved the scrum massively with the old guard . But seems both Genge and Will stuart have improved in the scrum alone with some great coaching . Now able to work with the young guys particularly Finn Baxter and the likes of Bevan rodd who I can see improving under Borthwick we should hopefully see these guys putting fear into the teams in the six nations again as well as getting the respect of South Africa and NZ .
Curtis Langdon is a great call over Luke Cowen-Sickie. He’s been a game changer for Saints since joining. Top, consistent performer week in, week out. He’s a top block too!💚🖤💛
Langdon has been outstanding. He’s got serious physical attributes as well as a great all round game, which is why he’s a better shout than perhaps Harry Thacker, who has been unlucky over recent years not to be involved.
Couple more with potential. Ojohmo or S.Atkinson in place of Slade. Mercer in place of Dombrant (who finished six nations on the bench) Sleighthome over Daly (who doesn't want to see Sleighthome and Fewo-Waboso on the wings?!)
No doubt about Fin Baxter. He’s ahead of marler and only going to get better. Though disagree with Tim that I would take marler to Japan and New Zealand . Baxter training alongside marler and Cole to further his Education . Sleightholme also ready now to start with England . Future looks bright .
Pretty much bang on tbh, although I wouldn’t get rid of Pearson. I think he is the closest thing we have to Earl’s dynamism and a back up needs developing now, not next year. When it’s obvious someone has a high ceiling, they should be in every elite squad for development.
Ted Hill's a good call, very quick for a big man and can cover lock and back row... I'd like to see Joe Cokanasiga get a run and would drop Daly, Tuilagi (off to France) and Slade. I'd keep Roebuck as he can play 11, 13, 14 or 15 and I'd add Hartley from Sarries
Those new front row options are fair enough. I’d go iosefa-scott personally. I think Will Evans gets overlooked way too much. I don’t think he’s even close to being in Borthwick’s plans but he’s the best jackaler in the premiership bar none. To think England couldn’t do with his skills is arrogant in my opinion. People act as if he is just a pure “jackal merchant” and has shortcomings everywhere else but that’s very lazy analysis from people that haven’t watched him enough
Ivetalways always thought that Ted Hill is one of the nesy flankers in Eng and possibly the NH. Hope he finally gets a look in as he really is the real deal
For Ireland it may not yet be time for Sam Prendergast. At the same time I see him getting a lot out of the experience, and I struggle to see him being marked by it. SA is such a match up right now, I'm not sure how much 2027 affects the squad.
Lad... you DIDN'T react to MUNSTER v BULLS?! I'm from the Munster area of Ireland and I've been following your vids, so I've been WAITING for that vid. Let's go!!!
Comparison between murley and jack knowell is dead on! I honestly think he's our times version of him, and we need to give him a crack, because he could be just as good
I think its a bit of a stretch to say Ted Hill offers versatility based on the idea of playing Cunningham-South out of position. That sounds more like Cunningham-South would be the one offering versatility.
The versatility would be a genuine lineout forward, enabling you to select a giant man at lock - the way France do. If Ollivon wasn't a world class lineout forward, Meafou can't get selected. Take your point though
@@EggchasersRugby I think Hill ticks more of the boxes than Roots does so would be worth giving him a go. The difficulty for him is that the Itoje, Martin, Chessum combination balances so well that any 6 putting their hand up for selection needs to be able to do everything Chessum does otherwise they will only have a bit part role. If Hill can be a second row option internationally then he a real contender. I'm not sure England really have a Meafou type player demanding selection to warrant that mode of selection either. If England pick Itoje, Martin, Chessum and Tuima as the only second row options in the summer then you might be on to something.
I would expect this test to be interesting ,Scott Robertson will bring something different too for the All Blacks, the 9- 10 could see Rogard with Perofela or Brett Cameron it's now or never for them Quinn Tupeae will be a handful with Telea ,Fakalava and Reece in there ...like Ireland it's two tests in New Zealand, that first tests will be interesting vs Japan don't write them off they gave France a big scare in the recent past, the All Blacks play their first test of 2024 in Dunedin under the roof vs England then to Auckland winning in Auckland is almost impossible.... Robertson has that trash metal rugby brand that could be a disaster or terrifyingly good...
Love saying who you would drop. People always say Mercer/Barbeary has to go. But for who? Our back row is stacked right now. Id maybe go JVP and Randell instead of Care and Spencer. Harsh on the latter, I know. And maybe Ollie S instead of Daly. Think Roebuck covers the Freeman type winger and Ollie S as back up to IFW. Love Murley too though. Although that's harsh on Daly, he's a classy player who covers a lot of positions and may be our second best FB. Pretty useful on a tough tour.
I wouldn't take either Mercer or Barbeary, Mercer looks good every now and again but I've never seen enough consistent performance to warrant him replacing our other back row. I'm not a fan of Barbeary either, I see him as a walking yellow/red card. His USP is being a bowling ball, which works at club rugby, I'm not sure he is big enough to do that at international level. Therefore I would prefer the better balanced abilities of the other back row options we have.
Curtis Langdon!! Stealing JB's picks ;-) Great picks. I love Ted Hill and Harry Randall. Also interested to see what Finn Baxter can do against an international team.
I’d agree on everything but Davison. Putting him in for Dan because of age when he would 35 in 2027… I don’t know. Personally would look for a younger talent on a looking to the future basis
Ted Hill has got good pace. I'm a big Feyi-Waboso fan, but he couldn't catch Hill a couple of weeks ago. Add Hill with Martin, Cunningham-South, Earl, Pearson, Curry, starts to look like a good bunch of forwards
I have a feeling Barbeary is all wind and you know what. He's not that big, he tries the hard man act too much and strikes me as a bit headstrong and immature. Tom Willis would be a better choice. (IMO)
I’d want to take Asher Opoku-Fordjour as a tight head option. Will Evans because he’s brilliant. Will Porter because he deserves a crack. And finally, Lennox Anyanwu because he could be a hell of a 12 and we need to develop some home grown talent in that position.
@@kezcunliffe4035 Anyanwu has hands like cow udders. if he could catch and hold onto the ball he might fit, I think he needs to step up quickly or he'll be gone from Quins. I suspect like Lawrence he is too focussed on the upcoming contact to be able to complete the catch.
He has big games against lesser teams, but you never see him take big challenges on. Or as eddie says, is he a test match animal? Lot of chances, never really took it on like waboso.
@@somenamethatdoesntmatterif you look at his highlights against irland in 2019 I think he got 3 tries or 2 finding space powerful runner he is a very good player better than Eliot daly anyway and his performance against exter chiefs the other weak he was good we need to give him another chance in international rugby because he has been inguried for 4 years
You have 💯 got ted hill correct. Can you imagine a back 5 of Cunningham south, , George Martin, ted hill, Underhill and earl. Absolute units who love a bash and bosh.
My 1 eyed view might be showing, but manny iyogun is back from injury, and when i say back, he is So back! I agree, fin Baxter is hot scrumaging prospect but iyogun isnt far behind. And hes a better carrier and with his hands as well. Personally i would take him over Obano.
People need to stop overlooking Ollie Sleightholme before it’s too late he’s top try scorer and has been tearing it up this season
Seriously
Big fan, but we're talking about is the international game. Whats his kick chase/return like? How is his work rate off his wing, etc?
@@secondchance4498very strong in the ruck/turnover. Pretty sure he had most turnovers for Saints at one point this season.
Kick chase is great
@@k1ngcab00se Sounds like he'll make a great back-rower some day.
Yea he has been great this season for saints he needs a call up
Gotta get sleightholme in for me, has been playing some outstanding rugby recently. Him and Feyi-Waboso could an absolute handful as the wing pair. Big fan of Murley tho who's been a bit unlucky with England camps.
I think F Waboso still has a lot to learn. Watching the Glaws/Exeter game, he showed a tendency to always look for contact and bulldoze his way to the try line. He needs to look for two on ones and in / outs more often and mix up his game.
Adding who to drop is excellent Tim.
I’d go Ollie Slieghtholm over Murley, biased maybe as a Saints fan but a back line of Mitchell, Smith, E F-W, Lawrence, Slade, Slieghthom and Furbank (still a big Stewart fan but I don’t think he has the pace).
And the possibility of Freeman in the centres as well is exciting.
I'd take both - Murley over Roebuck and Sleightholme over Daly.
With Freeman covering 13 and Marcus Smith covering 15 I don't think we need Daly's versatility anymore. And having Freeman, Feyi-Waboso, Sleightholme and Murley as wing options is so exciting.
@@mattmasksforehead620 I’d go with that.
Which Smith? Finn or Marcus? Because I can't imagine Finn starts either NZ game, and may not make the bench for either. Marcus Smith has been in and out, played in strange positions, worked under Jones when he wanted him to run the most technically advanced attack in rugby history (which is why it was largely shambolic - the experiment failed). But in all those years he has proven that he is an out and out game winner. And of course we can't forget that Ford had a good 6 nations, and could easily be at the next World Cup. I think for 10 as much as any other position, being part of a great team (like Saints are this season) doesn't guarantee you any international rugby. I imagine Ford starts with Marcus on the bench - hopefully Finn getting some time against Japan at least.
@@jakemiddleton5266 probably Marcus but I am a Finn fan, he’s gone well in the Champions Cup.
Totally agree with Ted Hill one of my favourite players. He's not only a great tackler, his line-out is very solid and he's also a very very good ball carrier. Great off loading and really fast (Hodge and Weyboso chased him for 40m and couldn't get near him). Baxter instead of Marler for sure, especially now that Genge seems to have gone up a level at scrum. Against Ireland and France was very solid, pretty sure he didn't gave a penalty away and won a couple. SA will be his final test. Missed your videos, keep them coming
Agree- the way Ted Hill outran those two wingers was eye opening. Real wheels.
Don't want to jinx him, but do you not see him and think of Richard Hill - so very unfussy, so very hard as a tackler, and with the same gift of turning up right on the shoulder of someone just as a move was about to break down?
“Formerly of London Irish. Who went bust.”
Thanks for reminding me. It still hurts.
Olly Sleighthome deserves a shout imo as well
For me an England back five of Itoje, Martin, Hill, Underhill, Earl, with Chessum and CCS on the bench… Plenty of power. Plenty of pace. A nice balance to it.
No Tom curry?
@@rprobp186 His injury sounds potentially career ending. Even if he returns to rugby he may struggle to reach his previous heights.
@@06alepea1he won’t tour surely even if he’s fit. He needs time. His brother should be worth a shot as well. Not convinced by Hill as the next cab off the rank in a position with so much depth.
Agree with all of those. Really pleased that you mentioned Randall, but we have so many good young scrum halves at the moment. Long term I'd like to see Rafi Quirke in the mix as well, if the can ever get an injury free run, as he might be the best of the lot.
I'd also take Ojomoh, not sure he's ready for the 23 yet but would be good to get him used to the environment.
Raff Quirkey ! ..Is also Ireland qualified ..!!
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Ollie Sleightholme really making things happen at Saints. Even more robust than Murley
Oh yes slieghtholme over Murley . are you forgetting that Murley was the top try scorer last season , most tackles by a back 3 player , most dominants by a back 3 player , most turnover by a back 3 player , 2nd most metres made by a back 3 player . broke christian wades try scoring record between 22-23 with two fewer games . he has just been unlucky with injuries this season but now hes back fit he will be well clear above sleightholme
Slightly for me easily.
Will Fin Baxter's mum let him go though? She might make him stay behind and do his homework.
😂
2 players I would like to see are Rusi Tuima and Ollie Sleightholme. Tuima gives a powerful presence in the second row with some brilliant ball carrying ability and Sleightholme has been brilliant since he came back from injury, fast, strong and a nose for the try line.
I like those options. I think Tumia does fade a little bit in games. If he can be a full 80 player and also then develop like Skelton I think he’ll be a great option. It’s maybe a year too soon but defo an England A player
Don't need him to do full 80 though. Maro does that.
@@speak_your_truth. he's not even a regular starter for Exeter
@@nathannewportgay2963 Yes he is and what does that have to do with Maro fulfilling the role of the 80 minuter?
Bath's Max Ojomoh; Need to try out his club midfield partnership with Ollie Lawrence for ENG!
Ojomoh is a good call!
Huge fan of Ted Hill. Real line-out jumper, a huge work ethic, does a lot of work in the tight, does a lot of defensive work, and has pace. Him and Cunningham South as the options at 6, offering something different.
Him and George Martin are absolute bangers. Playing them both will give England the base to get the most out of Ben Earle, Theo Dan, allow the 7 to track the ball and pick opportunities to steal it, slow it down.
It feels like the right balance, because he's the type of player that does the scruffy work, that is needed to allow others to play with more pace, or be more open.
No points for guessing who I support.
Bev Rodd not mentioned. Only thing that's kept him out of the ENG team was a toe injury...He's now back and firing.
You mentioned a young prop (cant spell his name), but no mention of Asher (Sale) who has given Andrew Porter and Joe Marler a lesson in going backwards.
No mention of Raffi Quirke. He has been injured, yet was still called up by ENG to spend time with the team while recovering.
Finally, Tom Roebuck. He's recently played against IFW and Cadan Murley and was far the better on those given days... He's an 'international' style player. Big, powerful, can finish strong, works off his wing and has one of the best (if not the best) kick chase's in the prem.
Thanks for the vid,
Chris.
Roebuck didn’t do much against Quins. Murley scored 2 tries. Asher started well but he’s struggled a bit of late in the scrum. He’s younger than Baxter. Not quite ready yet.
I’d select Rafi as he’s the best bench option we have but he’s not ready to start ahead of Warr at the moment so still a way to go in terms of game management.
Rodd should go ahead of Obano if we take Baxter.
@@mjgclutch Re Roebuck v Murley: More to a performance than finishing a try (or two) and we're talking from an international point of view (the qualities required).
As for the other names I mentioned: I'm not making a case for them to be selected. I'm pointing out why Tim should have mentioned them, hence the, "No mention of"....
The young prop I was referring to was not Baxter.
Of course Asher hasn't been on top of every moment, but neither has the young prop Tim mentions... Or Baxter for that matter.
Agree, I wouldn't be dropping Roebuck for Murley or Sleightholme. Daly is the man that should be pushed aside.
Great analysis.
Nice pick hope fin smith gets a go as he is playing well a little more tackle
Agree with your 6, I'd be happy if Painter or Iosefa-Scott replaced D.Cole too, just two see the options. Goes agasint your one in one out rule, but I'd also take Asher Opoku-Foudjour as a 4th options (can play both LH & TH) mainly just to get him in and around the squad rather than playing.
Additional players in
Rusi Tuima for Alex Coles/Charlie Ewell
Zach Mercer for Dombrandt (Mercer deserves a chance and Dombrandt has had lots)
Max Ojomoh for Fraser Dingwall
Joe Marchant for Oscar Beard (If he signs for Prem club as expected)
Joe Cokanasiga for Elliot Daly (With Marchant and Freeman, there is enough utility back cover to drop Daly, although I do love Daly)
Totally agree with Trevor Davison I ve known since he was a colt at Blaydon and I'm over the moon with his progress especially since his move to Northampton and his selection would be well deserved
Sorry, we need to build for the future, he is not a pick for the future, we need to develop future talent and Eddie was too keen to keep with the old guard
Defensively trevor davison is rock solid plus he adds some northern non private school grit to the team
If only 6 :
Baxter
Painter
Davison
T Hill
Barbeary
Hartley( dependent on injury assessment)
For the summer tour of NZ I’d like to see:
Baxter, George, Painter,
Itoje, Martin,
T Hill, Barbeary, Earl
Mitchell, F Smith,
Hartley, Freeman,
Roebuck, Hodge, Feyi-Waboso
Bench: Rapava-Ruskin, Dan, Davison, Chessum, Pearson, Quirke, M Smith, Steward
Ollie Sleightholme
I like Sleightholme. I think he would do a job.
I'm a fan. Not sure he is elite. Physically yes, rugby brain yet to be convinced...but he is class, no doubt
@@EggchasersRugby he can work on the tactical side of the game. However, there's no substitute for raw pace.
Hill, barbeary and Evans would be a hell of a back row. Not sure barbeary has the ball playing/vision of a dombrandt or reed type number eight, but would love to be proved wrong.
Porter at Quins might be in with a shout if he finishes the season like he played against Bordeaux. Electric all match, scored and i think he held one up too. He also has the club cohesion with M Smith going for him
I think it could be too soon for him - needs to get 1st choice at Quins first
We desperately need another 12. Can't fall into the same trap with Manu and keep Lawrence banging away. As much as I like Dingwall, he's not a game breaker. Ojomoh can make a break and then release a 13. Would like to see Ojomoh with Lawrence at 13. Not dismissing Slade at all but we need other options. Ted Hill looks very handy and Alfie Barbeary as an understudy to Earl. Still not convinced about Dombrandt. Just not quite physical enough at international level.
Ollie Sleightholme is impossible to ignore. Would take him over Daly in a heartbeat.
Asher Opoku-Fourdjour in the front row, need to get him in there ahead of the likes of Cole and Marler. The longer those two play, the longer the prop issue continues. The sooner England rip the band aid off, the better it will be for them in the long run.
Would happily get rid of Isiekwe for Hill, Isiekwe has underwhelmed whenever he's played for England. Rusi Tuima should also get a call up in the second row.
First off, I’m so glad you mentioned Trevor Davison Tim. A no nonsense scrummaging tighthead. I’d also throw Ehren Painter into the mix.
Rus Tuima should go I think. He offers something completely different to any other second row. He’d be a great impact sun for Martin.
Also, the token Radwan vote. Whilst other wingers are getting that exposure in the champions cup, he’s feeding off scraps in a dire Newcastle team. But he is dynamite. His pace alone would frighten an opposition. There is always the chance that the international game proves too much for him, but chuck I’m in and see.
Good point. England at their best in recent years have had an out and out straight line speedster (May or Ashton) alongside a jinxy workhorse like Nowell or Watson.
Would like to see the young Sale prop get a look - Asher Opoku-Fordjour - looked special every time I've seen him play. Think they will also look at Janse van Rensburg when he becomes English qualified. But I'd do everything possible to get Jack Willis back in England to get him playing, and Arundel, or Hendy at Saints. Tight Head is the main issue these days though.
A bit harsh on Pearson to say he hasn't established himself due to injury, then take Hill over him! Pearson has 18 Saints app for 1140 minutes this season. Hill has 8 Bath apps for 500 minutes. I'd probably pick both.
Earl, Underhill, CCS, Barbeary Pearson, Hill, Roots
By the time the playoffs, Japan game and NZ tour are done we'll have used that many back rows anyway. Dombrandt can get to fuck for me. Great for Quins in the more open club games but has the physicality of most middle aged men with a hangover and the fitness of my nan.
Bit harsh on Dombrandth, though he does need to improve now. Similar to Freddie at full back. How badly do they want to play for that shirt ? How much work are they prepared to put in . Jury was out on Ben Earl for a while , who I thought was a premiership player. Look at him now.
All spot on id like to see radwan in also
I’d get Hendy in if possible, alongside Opoku-Fordjour. AOF just to progress him and get him some good training with the elite of the elite, Hendy as a good option for 23, good utility back. Both likely to be at the world cup imo, so worth getting them nailed down for us
I think Sales’ Opoku Fordjour could be a possible bolter for the summer tour although it could be a bit too early for him.There’s just so much hype about this guy.
I still think ehren painter needs a look in with an England shirt as a chiefs fan as a scrum holder and rusi tuima for Alex Cole’s
Instead of too many new faces they should give the fringe players consistant starts the likes of Cunningham South, Ben Spencer, Waboso, Fin Smith need a run of starts and then 1 or 2 new faces like Ojomoh, Baxter
Need some evidence for the Hill PsDT comparison
..England-Rugby now have alot of very good young players.. Its how its all put together and managed that determines the success or levels of success of the National Team..
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I agree with your selections and reasons but you could also add Bevan Rodd and Ehren Painter to the prop mix. LCD could benefit from a proper rest and pre-season to get properly fit. Hill could be a real positive at 6. no reason why CCS can't play at 8 with Earl at 7 - better balance and blend in the back row. Sleightholme and other Saints backs are on fire
Cocker’s Law in action! Inside Center still an issue as we’re still playing outside centres out of position. Are there any options there?
I love it get some controversy in the mix
Great starting basis. Are they going to be at the next RWC? If not, out they go. A tour is a great place to have the players under the microscope.
Feel so sad for Ben Spencer. Whatever he did to upset EJ seems to have blighted his progress.
Slightholme above Murley, his form has been outstanding, he should be starting on the wing with Freeman at 13.
Barbeary
Hendy
Baxter
Langdon
Hill
Oh yes slieghtholme over Murley . are you forgetting that Murley was the top try scorer last season , most tackles by a back 3 player , most dominants by a back 3 player , most turnover by a back 3 player , 2nd most metres made by a back 3 player . broke christian wades try scoring record between 22-23 with two fewer games . he has just been unlucky with injuries this season but now hes back fit he will be well clear above sleightholme
Adam Radwan
My squad for NZ
1. Genge, Marler, Baxter
2. George, Dan, Langdon
3. Cole, Stuart, Heyes(Collier instead if Quins convinced him to stay)
4.Chessum, Martin, Coles
5. Itoje, Tuima
6. Cunningham-South, Hill
7. Underhill, Pearson
8. Earl, Dombrandt, Barbeary
9. Mitchell, JVP, Randall
10. Ford, M Smith, F Smith
11. Freemen, Murley
12. Lawrence, Ojomoh
13. Slade, Daly Spink,
14. Feyi-Waboso, Sleightholme
15. Furbank, Steward
Mine is very similar! Few changes!
Obano for Marler,
Opoku Fjour for Cole, ,
Mercer for Dombrandt,
Muir for Spink,
Roebuck for Daly!
Bit younger I know, givem a crack! I reckon!
1 Ellis
2 George
3 Stuart
4 Itoje
5Martin
6 Hill
7 Earl
8 Barberry
9 Mitchell
10 F Smith
11 Feyi Waboso
12 Lawrence
13 Freeman
14 Muir
15 Furbank
16 Dan
17 Obano
18 Hayes
19 Chessum
20 Pearson
21 Randall
22 M Smith
23 Slade
Strange how we seem to have many choices in the front row , whereas before the World Cup it seemed bleak . Credit to Borthwicks staff particularly Tom Harrison who’s improved the scrum massively with the old guard . But seems both Genge and Will stuart have improved in the scrum alone with some great coaching . Now able to work with the young guys particularly Finn Baxter and the likes of Bevan rodd who I can see improving under Borthwick we should hopefully see these guys putting fear into the teams in the six nations again as well as getting the respect of South Africa and NZ .
Olly Sleightholme anyone?
i agree about ted hill he's brilliant, i'd also take ollie sleightholme, every bit as good as waboso.
Curtis Langdon is a great call over Luke Cowen-Sickie. He’s been a game changer for Saints since joining. Top, consistent performer week in, week out. He’s a top block too!💚🖤💛
Langdon has been outstanding. He’s got serious physical attributes as well as a great all round game, which is why he’s a better shout than perhaps Harry Thacker, who has been unlucky over recent years not to be involved.
Be a brave man who doesn’t give Ollie Sleightholme due consideration on his present form
Couple more with potential. Ojohmo or S.Atkinson in place of Slade. Mercer in place of Dombrant (who finished six nations on the bench) Sleighthome over Daly (who doesn't want to see Sleighthome and Fewo-Waboso on the wings?!)
No doubt about Fin Baxter. He’s ahead of marler and only going to get better. Though disagree with Tim that I would take marler to Japan and New Zealand . Baxter training alongside marler and Cole to further his Education . Sleightholme also ready now to start with England . Future looks bright .
Pretty much bang on tbh, although I wouldn’t get rid of Pearson. I think he is the closest thing we have to Earl’s dynamism and a back up needs developing now, not next year. When it’s obvious someone has a high ceiling, they should be in every elite squad for development.
Agree with all of that; you need to get a job as Borthwick’s selector!
Mercer’s a must have
Ted Hill's a good call, very quick for a big man and can cover lock and back row... I'd like to see Joe Cokanasiga get a run and would drop Daly, Tuilagi (off to France) and Slade. I'd keep Roebuck as he can play 11, 13, 14 or 15 and I'd add Hartley from Sarries
I think sleightholme deserves a full video haha
Good call
Sleighthorn ?
What does Ehren Painter have to do to be considered? He';s 25, 134kg, can scrum and is reasonably mobile for a big bloke.
Sleightholme and Collier for me. Can’t argue with the other names though Tim. As you say, you can’t take everyone.
Those new front row options are fair enough. I’d go iosefa-scott personally. I think Will Evans gets overlooked way too much. I don’t think he’s even close to being in Borthwick’s plans but he’s the best jackaler in the premiership bar none. To think England couldn’t do with his skills is arrogant in my opinion. People act as if he is just a pure “jackal merchant” and has shortcomings everywhere else but that’s very lazy analysis from people that haven’t watched him enough
Hear me out....how about an England back row consisting of Ted Hill at 6, Cummingham-South at 8 and Ben Earl at 7....?
Ivetalways always thought that Ted Hill is one of the nesy flankers in Eng and possibly the NH. Hope he finally gets a look in as he really is the real deal
Sleightholme for Daly and/or Roebuck. Agree with all the rest.
I couldn't leave Dan Cole at home but taking Langdon and Baxter - Yes
For Ireland it may not yet be time for Sam Prendergast. At the same time I see him getting a lot out of the experience, and I struggle to see him being marked by it. SA is such a match up right now, I'm not sure how much 2027 affects the squad.
Glad there is no mention of NFL and LRZ 😊
For Scotland I'd say Gus Warr, Fergus Burke and Arron Reed for starters, not sure of 3 others or even whether Warr/Burke would commit 🤔.
Eggchaser turning into Rassie Erasmus. Yeah I'll pick some players... Gonna have to drop some too.... 😂😂
Tighthead Joe Heyes at Leicester. Understudy to Cole at both club and country ! J
ust needs his proper chance
Lad... you DIDN'T react to MUNSTER v BULLS?! I'm from the Munster area of Ireland and I've been following your vids, so I've been WAITING for that vid. Let's go!!!
I have never commented on this channel but i have to say, Slitholme needs capping immediately
Comparison between murley and jack knowell is dead on! I honestly think he's our times version of him, and we need to give him a crack, because he could be just as good
England are producing some top top talent. I don't know where they all came from lol
I think its a bit of a stretch to say Ted Hill offers versatility based on the idea of playing Cunningham-South out of position. That sounds more like Cunningham-South would be the one offering versatility.
The versatility would be a genuine lineout forward, enabling you to select a giant man at lock - the way France do. If Ollivon wasn't a world class lineout forward, Meafou can't get selected. Take your point though
@@EggchasersRugby I think Hill ticks more of the boxes than Roots does so would be worth giving him a go. The difficulty for him is that the Itoje, Martin, Chessum combination balances so well that any 6 putting their hand up for selection needs to be able to do everything Chessum does otherwise they will only have a bit part role. If Hill can be a second row option internationally then he a real contender.
I'm not sure England really have a Meafou type player demanding selection to warrant that mode of selection either. If England pick Itoje, Martin, Chessum and Tuima as the only second row options in the summer then you might be on to something.
I would expect this test to be interesting ,Scott Robertson will bring something different too for the All Blacks, the 9- 10 could see Rogard with Perofela or Brett Cameron it's now or never for them Quinn Tupeae will be a handful with Telea ,Fakalava and Reece in there ...like Ireland it's two tests in New Zealand, that first tests will be interesting vs Japan don't write them off they gave France a big scare in the recent past, the All Blacks play their first test of 2024 in Dunedin under the roof vs England then to Auckland winning in Auckland is almost impossible.... Robertson has that trash metal rugby brand that could be a disaster or terrifyingly good...
What about the guy who’s made the most meters in the premiership this year?
Love saying who you would drop. People always say Mercer/Barbeary has to go. But for who? Our back row is stacked right now.
Id maybe go JVP and Randell instead of Care and Spencer. Harsh on the latter, I know.
And maybe Ollie S instead of Daly. Think Roebuck covers the Freeman type winger and Ollie S as back up to IFW. Love Murley too though.
Although that's harsh on Daly, he's a classy player who covers a lot of positions and may be our second best FB. Pretty useful on a tough tour.
I wouldn't take either Mercer or Barbeary, Mercer looks good every now and again but I've never seen enough consistent performance to warrant him replacing our other back row. I'm not a fan of Barbeary either, I see him as a walking yellow/red card. His USP is being a bowling ball, which works at club rugby, I'm not sure he is big enough to do that at international level. Therefore I would prefer the better balanced abilities of the other back row options we have.
@@argy8141 agree on both. If Barbeary starts dominating Too 14 packs I'll change my tune. But he doesn't offer what others do, in my mind
Curtis Langdon!! Stealing JB's picks ;-)
Great picks. I love Ted Hill and Harry Randall. Also interested to see what Finn Baxter can do against an international team.
I’d agree on everything but Davison. Putting him in for Dan because of age when he would 35 in 2027… I don’t know. Personally would look for a younger talent on a looking to the future basis
Whats the current state of English Tightheads? Anyone i should be paying attention too?
Ehren Painter, Josh Isoefa-Scott, (england qualified), Fasogbun, Will Collier, James Harper.
I'd invite Marler & Cole to go with England in a coaching capacity to mentor their replacements.
Marler really doesn't like being away from home, hence his previous retirements.
ollie sleightholme over Caden Murley for me. Sleightholme has been immense this season. He got international class in my opinion
Ted Hill has got good pace. I'm a big Feyi-Waboso fan, but he couldn't catch Hill a couple of weeks ago. Add Hill with Martin, Cunningham-South, Earl, Pearson, Curry, starts to look like a good bunch of forwards
Seriously strong crop!
Front row needs to be stronger and better depth imo
Gotta rest Marler, George and Cole for the tour. Try out Baxter, Langdon and Joe Heyes
Davison will be 34 at the next WC
What is this? I thought this was a channel dedicated to South Africa?
Alfie Barbeary and James Ramm should be in the squad.
James Ramm is a fine player, but somewhat Australian.
@@MrNmitch17English qualified
I have a feeling Barbeary is all wind and you know what. He's not that big, he tries the hard man act too much and strikes me as a bit headstrong and immature. Tom Willis would be a better choice. (IMO)
I’d want to take Asher Opoku-Fordjour as a tight head option. Will Evans because he’s brilliant. Will Porter because he deserves a crack. And finally, Lennox Anyanwu because he could be a hell of a 12 and we need to develop some home grown talent in that position.
Do you think he will be first choice at Quins next season?
I like the look of him but he has been stuck in Andres shadow
@@kezcunliffe4035 Anyanwu has hands like cow udders. if he could catch and hold onto the ball he might fit, I think he needs to step up quickly or he'll be gone from Quins. I suspect like Lawrence he is too focussed on the upcoming contact to be able to complete the catch.
Nick David
Joe cokansiga no doubt we need a powerful fast winger with immuel feyi waboso he is in great form
He has big games against lesser teams, but you never see him take big challenges on. Or as eddie says, is he a test match animal? Lot of chances, never really took it on like waboso.
@@somenamethatdoesntmatterif you look at his highlights against irland in 2019 I think he got 3 tries or 2 finding space powerful runner he is a very good player better than Eliot daly anyway and his performance against exter chiefs the other weak he was good we need to give him another chance in international rugby because he has been inguried for 4 years
Been given too many chances . Too many other good wingers to keep picking this average player
@@somenamethatdoesntmatter he is not average
Joe really doesn't do it for me. He has too many quiet games for him to be an international pick.
Ted Hill, Tom Croft vibes?
Was thinking Tom Croft too, boy he could shift!
I loved him as a player, but not even Tom Croft’s own mother would describe him as a defensive powerhouse
I thought it Rwanda they was going.
You have 💯 got ted hill correct. Can you imagine a back 5 of Cunningham south, , George Martin, ted hill, Underhill and earl. Absolute units who love a bash and bosh.
Fm SA I like all yor choices
Will miss Danny Care he is good but he is on the wrong age side, so Harry Randall is a good name to go in his place
@eggchasersrugby , is playing the All Blacks that important, as they are now a distant 2nd compared to the springboks in greatness.
The AB's could quite easily take a relatively young England team to the cleaners and back again.
My 1 eyed view might be showing, but manny iyogun is back from injury, and when i say back, he is So back!
I agree, fin Baxter is hot scrumaging prospect but iyogun isnt far behind. And hes a better carrier and with his hands as well. Personally i would take him over Obano.
Asher sale sharks prop/flanker pure power he needs a call up
If you want players for next World Cup, and beyond, we need to start young. Davison is too old.