Answering Your TONE MASTER PRO Questions | Editor Deep Dive
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00:00 - Hello
00:30 - Editor
01:00 - FRFR Cabs
01:15 - Heaven Above
01:30 - Tap Tempo Light
02:15 - Fender Cleans
03:08 - Spring Reverb
04:14 - What is Convolution Verb?
05:00 - More Reverbs
06:05 - Hall
06:19 - Cloud
06:47 - Celestial
07:13 - Nebula
07:54 - Auto Swell
08:45 - Space Echo
09:34 - Memory man
10:43 - Suggested Improvement 1
11:07 - Parallel FX
13:20 - Dual Detune
14:31 - Footswitch Assigns
15:34 - Ramping
17:18 - Importing IR's
17:49 - Presets on the Cloud
18:51 - Icecream Interlude
19:19 - Suggested Improvement 2
19:45 - Mark IIC+ Preset
22:31 - Scenes/Snapshots?
23:23 - Dual Cabs
23:37 - Smooth Plexi Preset
25:08 - Suggested Improvement 3 & 4
25;59 - 80's Clean
26:35 - 5150 Preset
28:52 - Suggested Improvement 5
30:00 - Stand?
30:27 - Stereo Loop
31:30 - Feel?
32:19 - Bass Tones?
33:24 - Fuzz
36:03 - Summary
Who wants ice cream?
What flava we talkin ?? Love the vids Leon. And since I found out your a perth boy checking out some rag doll now 🙏🙏
I’m up for ice cream. The trucks in Norway play Grieg. Norsk dans nr 2.
The ice cream wagon in my neck of the woods plays the theme from the Sting.
Made some zabajone icecream last week. And I know there’s icecream in my immediate future since I’m at a birthday party today
Want always but I'm on a diet 😢.
The spring reverb is realistically surfy! Thanks for doing this
It's got the drip!
@@LeonTodd Absolutely, many digital modelling are lacking the drip. Awesome stuff mate, I appreciate your content. Very helpful indeed!
Some absolutely sick sounds…this modeller is great once you find tune things
Love it that you are digging into this unit. Definitely would like to see more videos on this one! 👍🏻
More to come!
Those clean Fender Strat sounds are awesome.
Glad you like them!
So far this thing is impressive. If Fender will commit to future updates and support the product long term , they have a winner for sure. The effects sound killer. Well done Mr Todd 👏 👍
Thanks for taking time to share some settings for the Tone Master! I tried them on my unit and they’re awesome. 👍
Glad you like them! Much appreciated mate 😎
The more I hear this unit the more I want it, great vid Leon thank you
ok im really liking that cloud reverb
That stereo detune thing was awesome!
Fender had me at "no wall wart."😊 I think some criticism in comparing to the competition is due to this actually sounding less digital and with more "analogish" artifacts, IMNSHO. I know if I was gigging with it, I would use a battery-backed UPS (uninterrupted power supply) because of the boot time and the fragility of digital in general.
That fender reverb sounds amazing
Great second video Leon about th e TMP, sounded already way better with your IR's :-)!
I think so too :)
Best review/deep dive yet on this modeller! Can you please let me know what the country of manufacture is for the Tone Master Pro
I have an older Fender Mustang GT200 (stereo) that I use for practice or some throw and go stuff and I have to say, this technology looks a little more advanced, but they've had their Fender models down for awhile. Some of the models in that amp are pretty spot on to my ear. I'm sure this is next level.
Thanks, Leon.
Good to see that Fender appears to have done as good a job with the software editor as they did with the hardware UI. The lack of snapshots/scenes is a bit of an issue for me, but like you say a future firmware update may remedy that. Very thorough follow up to your first demo, Thanks.
Thanks mate - loads of questions from the last video so it was nice to answer those while also diving a bit deeper into what the unit can do.
Using footswitch assign is like a snapshot; you can control many different options with one switch. I have my OD and delay assigned to one switch. You can add even more controls to one switch.
6:30 cloud reverb Awesome tone sauce!
You've done a really good job with the demos of this modeler Leon!
You already know I've been a Fender afficionado, long before I became a disciple of ADA gear, and I still have a ton of both here at the house.
It figures Fender would come out with something like this when I've been fussing with a Cyber Twin and a pair of Cyber Deluxe amps to do most of what this pedal does. I've actually been doing A/B comparisons of two wet/dry/wet Fender rigs to dial in the tones on the Cyber amps. My other Fender rig is two SF Twins with a SF Vibrolux in the center for the dry, using the Fender pedals they had out a few years ago. The Pugilist and Santa Ana OD are a must in that rig, with plenty of sweet tube clean tones on tap whenever I need it, and direct boxes from the pedal board to FOH available.
This thing could let me take a couple of guitars and this to a gig, and just toss this in the front seat of my car. I'm VERY tempted.
What a rig! Vibrolux is a bucket list amp
@@LeonTodd Really? I wonder why? You have so many great amps in your toolbox now. It is a great studio and stage amp though.
"More is more" @@harleyhexxe9806
🤣🤣🤣 I can't argue with that logic@@LeonTodd
Deffo up for this once its been expanded a bit
Not sure if I have posted this before (apologies if I have), but the Mission SP1-TMP (co branded and custom paint) unlocks things like volume control, wah and a lot of cool creativity/control. Fender also made it reeeeally easy to set up the expression and the toe switch. Control up to 5 parameters at once and use the toe switch to turn off one or all effects.
I cannot believe how good that thing sounds
In the US usually it's the entertainer for ice cream trucks
Something really ominous about greensleaves. The entertainer is way more the vibe!
@@LeonTodd Yeah that is a very strange choice for an ice cream truck medley lmao, a little too contemplative
Great follow on to your first video (which was excellent). The big question is do you see yourself using this on stage with your band?? Thanks👍
Probably not for Ragdoll stuff, I've got my Fractal stuff dialed in nicely for that. I'm going to try do some cover gigs with it though and see how I like it.
Thanks! I definitely want to turn off the tap tempo LED! I also didn't know how to add IRs. This really helps!
Glad it helped!
This is so exciting to see a company like Fender get into this, they have so many resources and a solid reputation for a very historic brand. To see them model their own "licensed" EVH and Fender amps is nothing short of sick and I'm hoping they really increase the line up.
I want to see more EVH models; the other iii versions, the Iconic; and also some more Fenders; the silverface models, the supersonic 22/60/100, hell even the Roc Pro. More than anything I want to see them get the bass side going, I want to see Sansamp bass preamps, Ampeg, Darkglass, Hartke, an their own Bassman and Superbassman models with matching bass cabs and such. I personally run a silverface Bassman 100 into a Hartke 210/410 stack and it would be sick to get that sound in a small modeler that I could take anywhere with ease.
I honestly was a little let down they dropped this with only a '59 bassman combo when modeler have so much potential for bass tones, live and in the studio. Being able to big even the most complex and crazy bass rigs in one single package is just huge and is something I find important as a studio musician.
I hope more than anything that Fender can use it's large amount of reources to really flesh this thing out and support it so that one day I could have this as a tool for my studio. It would be nice to have this at my mix desk for quick tones or full on presets for whole albums to easily recall at a moments notice.
Dam it fender...they have really put a lot of love in this unit hey! It really seems like it can compete with the other high end units.
Great video! You mentioned that you would like to see scenes functionality. What’s the difference between scenes and the already provided ability to assign multiple functions to a foot switch such as pedal bypass and multiple parameter changes?
I didn't get that too...
Dual detune! Those fuzzes sound great!
Follow up to this. Try the Pedal Detune in series, pedal at 100%, pitch set to shallow. Not any sculpting control beyond that but sounds great to my ears on the Mustang GT, let alone the TMP (assumingly higher quality) version.
Looking forward to your ADA MP-1 preamp preset for the Fender Tone Master Pro!
The "Heaven Above" riff is great with or without gain. With enough exposure, it would become Legendary!
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I agree...it's fantastic:)
Really enjoyed these vids re pro fender I’ve just brought one ..watched a terrible review vid from Tony …. Somebody was so unfair and incorrect so yours are excellent I’ve subscribed
Thank you so much for this great and super useful deep dive!! Would it be possible to further explore the effects loop? Many here will undoubtedly have numerous pedals that we still want to keep using. Could a chain of pedals from a pedalboard be routed through the stereo effects loop? 🤘🤘
Great suggestion!
Great demo man, So if tone is the priority and all we want from the amps to the effects is that vintage vibe we get from real things, where do u rate the tone master pro ? In comparison to the quad cortex, kemper and fractal? Thanks a lot
Toner master pro..fantastic, fantastic, over the Top..!
Next update for Tone Master Pro: Please include a Ducking Delay as on the Boss DD-200. It's my favorite delay. You can do it. Supersonic 22 amp head is great too. Also the '64 Custom Deluxe Reverb. MTG: LA Tube Distortion. '57 Custom Champ. Champ 25SE. Mesa Boogie Triple Crown Head. Roland Blues Cube Hot and Roland Blues Cube Hot British EL84 Modified. Mesa Boogie Fillmore 50. Boss Nextone Special. Try 10 minutes of two track like RC-500 Looper. Boss OC-5. Boss OD-200 Metal preset.
This Fender modeler definately will have a market for: limited $ for a very expensive valve head, small package platform in a small livinng space, no room for a massive 4x12 cab and a head, transportation of equipment in small vehicles. digital platform right to the computer, etc... Fender TMP will definately have a significant niche in the market of modelers for the customers that this equipment flips thier switch for it.
I would love to see a comparison of tones between this and the FM9. Obviously the FM9 has way more options, but with what TMP has, can you get tones in the same ballpark? Tweaking the FM9 live is a pain in my opinion and has me considering this.
I agree with you I’ve had the fractal and now own this TM pro. Much easier. Could you get better tone out of the FM9. Eventually you could if you have time and know what each parameter change does. But this TM pro has a very small to zero learning curve.
@@cjconklin4877 how do you think the effects stack up in comparison and the feel on the TMP? Those are 2 things I do really like about fractal. Thanks.
@@aaronthomas7790 not as many. But I absolutely love the delays on the pro. I think the effects act more like the real stompboxes. The fractal just lets you change the impossible in real life.
I didn't understand what you said about loops 1 and 2. If they are before AD, how can you place loops 1 and 2 in a block anywhere in your preset? (it seemed to me that you can).
Hi Leon! I picked one of these up a few days ago. I also am a AF3 user as well. Have you noticed that when you switch from a factory cab to an IR that while using the IR the volume of the preset is much louder? For instance, the preset I uploaded to the cloud named "JMP-1 ish" uses the factory cab and when I swapped the cab for my York Audio M25 GB IR the volume is much much louder. Also, what happens if someone uploads to the cloud and the preset is using a third-party IR?
I'll have to test that!
Hello I really enjoy your videos and was wondering if you can record vocals on the Fender tone master looper ? I have tried and couldn’t find a way to do it thanks for your help.
Help me out Leon. I’m still within my return period on my Helix Floor. The store said I can swap for the Tone Master Pro. No issues with the Helix but I want to make the smart choice. What should I do?
I’d 100% do the trade. I had the helix floor for 6 months. Never liked it. Went to FM3. It was better. But now I own this and I absolutely love this box
Unless I'm missing it, there's no digital out besides USB right? That seems like a big miss to not have spdif/AES/Adat as an option for recording.
Correct
I do wish it had spdif, otherwise the clean fender tones sound stellar, and the whole unit sounds great to me.
There isn’t any way for Macs to record usb sources while a UAD ApolloX is the main interface is there?
Hi Leon, maybe a tricky question but what i would like to know after i saw your videos about the St. Rock Amperium live and so many others like the Friedman IR-x etc. is, what would be your favorit modeler if you only would go for a good tone except the Axe Fx?
Oooh great question. If it has to be all digital then the amperium is up there for amp tones. QC with the capture function and the Helix offer up some great tones too, as does the BOSS GX if you just stick to their original models
@@LeonTodd thank you for your fast reply and your opinion, i think i go with the amperium just because of the toneshaping features and the fair pricetag. Also i just need just a bit of simple effects (delay, reverb and maybe a Phaser) and it is all in the unit. Keep up the good work 😊
In the US Ice Creme trucks play Turkey in the Straw mostly.
Growing up in my neighborhood, it was Pop Goes the Weasel!
Is it possible to route a virtual Left-fx, center dry, Right-fx system, with different amps and cabs and effects for the three channels ?
Nice :)
Hi Leon Great video im a Fractal user but i might give a Fender Pro a try. Can you use 2 amps at the same time ? please let me know god bless you
I believe you can
Hi,
I didn't quite get the difference between footswitch multi assignment in TMP and snapshots in other modelling units, don't they allow to do the same exact thing?
Thanks!!
Did you see Rhett Shulls youtube video of the Tone Master Pro,he said there is Digital (artifacts) some Fizz in the upper frequencies with most of if not all of the amp models?Leon did you hear any of this with your Tonemaster Pro?
I saw that too. Odd that in a shootout, Andertons didn't mention it at all against the competition and rated it pretty highly against other modelers they offer (excluding Fractal who only sell direct if course)
I think Rhett should have checked his other gear connected to the Tone Master Pro to rule out this noise problem,maybe his Usb Audio Interface,Studio Monitors,connections,cables?He should have also listened on Headphones and or through a Amp?Maybe he got a defective unit?
I haven't seen it.
Fender Tone master Pro, over the top ampli modelling, end effect.
Id like to see the ability to jumper the amps added using the touch screen. It would be cool to be able to use the encoder on tap tempo to adjust the time theres a few other small things in routing that would be more efficient like spreading the chain having two or more separate rows so you dont have to scroll to see everything maybe having a pinch to zoom in and out function would help
That would be cool!
Can you stack button functions? Seems like if you want to go from a clean sound to a lead sound there could be some tap dancing instead of single button. Unless they just intend you to use presets.
Yeah, I believe that's what Fender is aiming for, preset change is flawless.
If they added some assignable modulation options like lfos and envs they’d have my money already 😅
I can't find this editor anywhere on the Fender page. Am I blind?
Here - support.fender.com/en-us/knowledgebase/article/KA-02068
Are you actually using this live on your rig?
The sting for ice cream
😮Hey. I use fractal fx3. What is your opinion about fender? Have they been able to approach the sound quality of the fractal with this machine?😅
I ll sell my FX3 after playing this Fender… i love this thing.
It's pretty good but not as deep or broad as the Axe-Fx. Depends what you need I guess.
@@LeonToddhi Leon ! Of course the Fractal is unbeatable for quantity and possibilities. For live playing is great too. But the sound of this Fender is way more Closer to my real amps miked (i dont like external IR with it though.. still prefer the stock cabs)
Agree with all these replies yes the fractal lets you go deep within the amps. But I don’t want to dive deep in the rabbit hole. Just want to adjust the amps. Which sounds amazing out of the box. Play with mic placement and you’re golden
What's the song played during the cloud pedal part?
Can you dial in the BPM of a delay and store it?
Would love to see your thoughts on the Quad Cortex beta desktop editor
Soon!
Can you re-amp multiple tracks through usb? … I have this pedal but haven’t hooked it up past updating it and jamming
Interface is 4in/4out so you can probably do some basic reamping but i'm not sure about multiple tracks?
Did you buy this device ? How expensive is it in Australia ?
It’s about $500 USD cheaper than a QC here…
And I got it for about $1500 USD here…
You mentioned aliasing artefacts. So why not testing is with a sine sweep input wav 20-20,000Hz? I mean it’s easy and would close that mystery feel.
See here thegearforum.com/threads/fender-tone-master-pro.3286/page-69#post-119528
@@LeonTodd thanks!!!
@@LeonTodd but I much prefer than method to « ear » the effect ua-cam.com/video/kadwMblZasM/v-deo.htmlsi=MefZS7_bYSrBaKk7
AXE FXIII vs TMP I speak for everyone!!! And Ice Cream 🤙
Hi Leon hope all is well
Can you do scenes like on the Fractal please let me know thanks 🙏
About the memory man delay, I just don't understand the need to have the mix at zero when you can just bypass it. Am I missing something here?
The point is that it's changing the dry tone, and I'd like to be able to have the tone of the delay without the dry signal getting borked if I want - turning the mix down to zero demonstrates what is happening to the dry.
@@LeonTodd What I mean is, if you're turning the mix to zero because you don't want the effect, why not just bypass it? Thx for replying btw.
@@matthewharrison7868 yes I understand that. What I'm questioning is why do you need to have the mix at zero if you can just bypass it?
I wanna hear a singer thru the mic side
What a wet dry or wet dry wet rig?
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FENDURRRR!!
FENDIIIIIIR
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These all sound like Tolkien characters
Careful Leon you are making this unit look really good and this unit only costs $2,349 AUD, even I am interested in one - just waiting to see if they give this thing more amps before pulling the trigger, it's one hellava good deal in Oz dollars. Whereas a kitted out Fractal AxeFX III mkII Turbo only costs, oh, $7,139 AUD - they might revoke your Fractal status on the forums if you keep this up.
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It bothers me deeply that a 1699$ unit is available in Europe for 1870€ (2000$). QC is 200€ cheaper and Helix 400€ cheaper. Keeping in mind that mint condition, second hand, QC and Helix exist for a lot less, it does not make sense to buy it. I would've consider buying it at the US price, tho.
QC is $800 more expensive in Australia… I got the fender unit for $1500USD
Majority of shops in australia selling the TMP between $1500 - $1600 US. The RRP is never the actual street price
Man, the UI is really excellent. If Fender keep supporting this device, and then expanding the line down-market, they seem to have a winner here.
Leon: I'm obsessing over the few good Mark IIC+ offerings in the modeling space. Do you have experience with the Neural DSP plugin, and if you can say if Fender's model sounds the similar?
Seems like they got the tone stack right as well as the switches which is nice. Both the NDSP plugin and Fractal models have a bit more of that dry, percussive attack going on.
@@LeonToddThanks so much. You have no idea how much I appreciate this.
That riff you play from your band sounds an awful lot like Atonement by Opeth. Are you secretly Mikael Akerfeldt?
Now that I think about it I've never seen the two of us in the same room at the same time
@@LeonTodd one day....
Can we here the Dyno My Piano Tri Chorus ??
Next vid!
Does latency build up when you add more blocks (like in the QC) or does it stay really, really low (like Boss)?
I feel a lot of space is wasted on nice graphics. I do like that the graphics are a little less spartan than on the QC but...with already a few standards blocks you will have to start scrolling. A suggestion would be to (have the option to) display the signal chain as a double row. Also, as JNC showed, they need to work a bit on their pitch block tracking.
Yeah there's a lot of space being wasted with the graphics. Give me real big controls over pretty pictures any day.
Fender has stated that latency is fixed for all chains and will only increase when using loops 3/4 as they require extra A/D conversions
@@dansomerville that´s something they def. got right then!
It's too expensive..killer though...
small gripe that I think is really stupid. If you're going to go with the whole skeuowmorphic thing. Why make a "parametric EQ" and "studio compressor" look like boss guitar pedals? They're not. They should look like an SSL and a Fairchild or something.
Exactly
Thanks Leon,
I haven't heard anything out of this unit that I would call good. There is a high end digital hiss that is abrasive to my ear. It sounds absolutely terrible. You must hear it. Am I nuts?
I think the unit sounds pretty good, that high end hiss is pretty common with digital units and certain combinations, like as example, when I use a real octave fuzz in front of one of my modellers I have to dial it’s boost gain from 5/100 to 3/100 to get ridd of some hiss it adds below 8k, plus a low pass filter on the IR to remove anything above, doesn’t need to be send to the mixer.
I guess Leon is going DI out in the video, with the devices IR’s mic placement and lowpass/highcut should take care of it, no idea if that option is there for user loaded IR’s, should be though, same as being able to set levels seperately for DI and the regular output to an amp, and being able to select which outputs that should use DI.
So that hiss might not even come from the unit itself.
Watched a few other review and demos where it isn’t present.
Did watch a quick comparison between the Mastertone and some other units, to me the Fender is prefered, both sound wise as to it’s features, allthough the Kemper Profiler Stage sounded more pleasant to the ears than even the real amps.
Best is to test and compare in a music store, since even UA-cam reviews and demos won’t cover every individual way gear is used.
I had a few drive pedals and a boutique delay that did sound good on YT but not when I added them into my signal chain, my mistake for not knowing that some drives are designed around specific use, the delay was clipping even with low gain at unison volume with medium output pups.
In part, you have to turn of AUX input. It’s in the forums…
Isn't any more harsh than the Boss GT1000core or similar models on my Fractal that haven't been dialed in.
Everything needs to tweaking, and IR's are everything.
I think it sounds awesome. I’ve played on one so I know.
"5153"? Think you've spent too much time in Fractal land 😅
Bro most people have been calling the 5150 iii the 5153 since the dang thing came out 😂
I think Leon's playing can bias about the real unit sound (he can sound awesome with whatever gear), however imo the tone master doesn't sound that good to invest that amount of money.
A clean sound should be clean , and not gnarly .... i didnt hear a proper clean sound on this unit .
There is alot going on there, and it is not GOOD. YUCK!!!! They need to fix FAST, UPDATES, UPGRADES.
@@ksharpe10 Yeah it’s called preset tuning..
Unfortunately your cleans are not cleans
god the fuzz models are horrible... i heard they were better, better they are not.
Oh boy, you too doing more TMP videos instead of just saying look guys this is crap, pretty screen but bad tones lol. I'm sorry you have to entertain this toy of a modeler. YouTubing sometimes is work, isn't it, mate?
This unit is Junk.