427 Ford Side-Oiler on the Dyno Part 1 - Shelby Cobra Engine
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I had a 1966 Ford Fairlane with the 427 Race Car Package, side oiler 427, transistor ignition, dual quads, verified it would turn 7000 rpm in every gear (lucky no highway patrolmen were around that day). Drove it for 3 years, (1967-1970) 30,000 miles, got 10.6 mpg at 60 mph on one carb's primaries. 6A43R249575. Got beat twice on the street, once by a hemi with gears and once by a tri-power 435 hp Corvette with gears. The car came with 3.89s, they had steeper than that. Them was the days.
what became of it?
A 427 side oiler in a tiny AC Cobra gives new meaning to the phrase “power to weight ratio”. What a legendary engine!
An aluminum small block built to 427 will do even more power at considerably less weight. The extra power here is silly, but dropping all that weight will be a massive improvement in handling.
@@rockets4kids The 351W style engines at this CID are every bit this engine plus half again more. Theres a Guy w a 67 Fairlane going 8’s with one. a 351W type engine.
@@yafois988 Yup. The only real advantage of a vintage side-oiler any more is exclusivity.
Do you know?
Who knows?
@@termonostruman Do the math! 289 Cobra was 271 hp and 2100 lbs, for 0.13 hp/lb. 427 Cobra was 425 hp and 2500 lbs, for 0.17 hp/lb. The math checks out, even accounting for a heavier car required to handle the extra power, and a conservative power rating on the 427. Plenty of people will tell you the 427 was putting out considerably more power than the rated 425 hp.
All that said, I would much prefer to drive the 289 -- on the street or on the track. Even the 289 is front heavy, the 427 is stupidly so.
That's why I would prefer a modern aluminum small block, which would be lighter than either of these options and could easily do a streetable 400 hp.
I have been an FE Ford engine fan all my life. 427 being top of the list
This is what happens when you run a Ford on a Dyno that's used to Chryslers. It can't handle the power, gets scared and quits 😋jk
Or not....
@@TheMattC9999Lol no the engine dyno can be adjusted for any engine & this engine is made far less HP than some Chrysler Hemi engines he's had on the dyno as well as some Chevrolet big blocks he's run on it.
I am a die hard Buick guy but l love the FE engine, my brother had a 64 Galaxy XL with a 390 car ran 12 20s that was in the very early 80s. I hope to get a 61 Ford Starliner some day
All FE’s are torque monsters
most people can’t handle ford’s 10:18 power. I had a rare 1 of only 1609 ever made 351 boss Cleveland . 13 to 1 comp ratio 40 over bore . 638 lift 356 duration 10 degree valve seperation . In a 66 F100 custom cab . Most people would not climb in with me . Scared of the power . It would pop the windshield on launch . Twist axels and driveshaft’s into . FMX trans . OMG the power it had .
Thanks, Nick. I have mostly been a GM guy, but I love and support anything Ford makes that will humiliate European snobs, especially Ferrari.
Good one. I second your sentiment
Mostly Mopar guy here, and I agree completely. ;)
100% agree.
All Ford Muscle. but.
A nice car is a nice car.!
If its Custom, toss the badge, and put your name on it.
Why not, Shelby did.!
Thanks Nick, love your work👍😎
the mighty 427 broke your dyno
I wasn't gonna say it but yeah.
Nice, Ford Power
some times broke your dyno
sometines dyno breaks the engine
its life.
A friend of mine got two 427 side-oilers for free. They came out of an old 60's yacht, and the owner was swapping them for diesels for better fuel economy. :)
My 3 favorite ford engines 427 SOHC , 429 boss , 427 side oiler with tunnel port heads and dual 4’s
Good afternoon, Nick, George & Phillip, It's nice to see a 427 Side-Oiler on the Dyno. My uncle had one in a 1964 Galaxie 500 XL. He bought it brand new and it was Maroon with a black vinyl top, bucket seats, and a 4-speed. I'm sure my cousin had a lot to do with the way it was ordered. This 427 should make some good numbers on the Dyno. It's great to see you back Nick. I hope that you guys have a great week. Always something different at Nick's Garage!
NICE! My Dad had one in black but it got stolen in 1966 so he replaced with a 440 New Yorker
Hi Eugene, I saw your yellow Charger still at Nick's Garage. It's gorgeous! Even after almost two years that Dr. Nick fully restored it. I cannot believe that you have not picked it up yet after two years. You must be wanting to drive it so much.....
Carole Shelby and Ford beat Ferrari at Le Mans proving it could be done The 66 Le Mans movie was a really good one Word up Eugene
64 was a top oiler.
@@jesse75 My uncle had connections with Ford, and the engine in his car was a side oiler.
Nice to have you back after your vacations…now…"Here we go guys"!!!
You know it!
We,ll take it from here! 😅@@NicksGarage
A guy at Holman Moody said that a blue printed 427 low riser made 510 hp with one carb and all factory parts all day long in 1963 Ford NASCAR stockers. They usually did 500 engines a year according to him .
BUT Never with a pair of Edelbrock knock off Weber's 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah Holman & Moody were to go to guys back in the day for Ford performance.
@@hk45c62
Re-read what he wrote...
@@hk45c62
The comment you commented on...
Long winded...fix it and get it done.
Just as I was thinking, "This would sure be a good time for Phillip to be there."
Then he walked in. The brothers of speed, to me seeing them together in the dyno room, is magical. It's as if you can see the unspoken communication between them.
I'm certain they will get the dyno up and running again soon. I look forward to the updates.
“Definitely not the Safetiest thing, or healthiest thing.” Using this in life now
I've always loved the 351 c 4v. I had a 73 torino and my older brother had a 71 challenger with a cop 440. I couldn't pass him but he couldn't leave me either!😊
The 440's ran out of gas because of the 5/16 or 3/8 lines, can't remember which, from the fuel tank up, the 383's would outrun them on top end for that reason, the Hemi's had 1/2-inch lines. Not sure what you mean by a cop 440? The cop cars in my area back in the day w/440/4bbl topped out at 140mph, not fast. Dodge Monaco's, a wee bit heavy. There were some state cars that had the 440/six-packs and a few with hemis, they were faster.
@@stephenwest798 most of the “cop” cars would have a higher capacity radiator and beefed up suspension to go with the 440 single 4 barrel carb, some engines would have forged components.
@@johncolson1294 always liked the 4v Cleveland, best flowing heads Ford made for production vehicles. Not counting the Boss 429, FE tunnel port or the Cammer stuff.
@@JD-fx1mb All 440s had forged cranks and rods until 1974 when they went to cast cranks and all used cast pistons. Not sure what they had for a cam, but they weren't as big as those used in the 440 HP engines, pretty smooth idle.
@@stephenwest798 Hemi's and 440's had 3/8 fuel lines. 383 came with 5/16..
My favorite Ford engine was my trusty 302. I found the engine sitting beside a stop sign, using a cable come-a-long, loaded it into the back of a truck. Took it home, tore it apart to find it was gummed up. Had the block refreshed and bored .030" over, built it with 10.5:1 compression TRW pistons, had the heads were refurbished and put Chevy 327 exhaust valves installed with screw in studs, put a Crane fireball cam, an Eldelbrock torquer intake and a Holley 650 carb, a Mallory dual point distributor, and a cheap set of exhaust headers. I put that into a '72 Mustang with an FMX automatic trans and ran the heck out of it. It was reliable and ended up selling the engine to a friend, who put it in a two door Comet. Fun times...
The three Ford engines I love are the 289, 390 and the 427. Wasn't lucky enough to own a 427 but was around those who did. But above all the Ford flathead will be my forever favorite.
Got to love the 289, I concur and the 390 does everything well from wheel standing Fairlane Stockers to towing a trailer to pushing a heavy T-Bird down the road in almost silence. After that I like the big block 429/460
Not really a Ford guy, but I do like the FE motors. I have a '68 428 from a T-bird sitting just in case I ever find a nice Mercury Cougar I can afford.
Nick does top notch work , he is well known for his work all the way down here in Knoxville tn
Nick - you and your team are awesome! Welcome back! Sorry to hear about the dyno, hope all goes well and good luck. Hello from Alexandria Virginia USA
Among Fords, i got a real soft spot for the FE series but i like the Windsor, Cleveland, the 429-460 and even the oddball MEL engines which were made between 1958 to early 1968 consisting of the 383, 410, 430 and 462 as well as the Flathead too. I like all the Mopar, GM and AMC V8s as well. The acronyms on the following Ford engine series, the FE stood for Ford/Edsel and MEL stood for Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln. On the Edsel, the one FE engine was a 361 and the 410 was a MEL and those were exclusive to Edsel cars only. The 410 MEL should not be confused with the 1966-67 410 found in Mercury cars was based on the FE series and basically a 390 block and bore size with a 428 crankshaft fitted.
Hi Nick. Sorry about the dyno. It does get quite a workout with all the high HP engines you test on there. Thanks for sharing this with us, even if it is frustrating at times!
Thanks 👍
A good friend of mine had one of these in a restored Galaxy. He pulled it out, and completely built it for drag/street racing! It was all gloss black and was a real screamer on the streets! He owned the local Sunoco gas station at Millersport & Longmeadow in Amherst NY. That ownership was a good thing as Sunoco 260 Premium high Octane fuel was very expensive in the early 70's, going for $0.32 per gallon and then he added a bottle of "Nitro-Nine" octane booster to every tank! Those were the days!
Oh yeah - can't wait to see this! Twin 4-bbls are always nice to hear.
Hope you enjoy it!
I have always liked the FE series big blocks with the 427 on the top of the list.
Nick - you spun the tires!
I am a MoPar guy to the core, but I do appreciate other brands. And their engines. This is one of my favorites from Ford. They are just super cool engines. The 348 and 409 from Chevy os a bucket list engine for me, too. Keep up the good work , Nick and crew!!
Nick, bad luck with the dyno. Imagine what the 427 will do when the dyno is fixed and if it didn't have mufflers and breathing it's own exhaust. Greetings from Down Under
Every time Nic says "I do not know", I break up!🤣🤣
Dyno Monday at Nick's Garage, Beautiful Ford Big Block !!!! Hello Mr.Nick and George!!!!
My boss has one of these in his Cobra kit car... Goes like hell and scares the crap outta me lol
What a damn deal....But thanks Nick & George + your brother......
Old nasty flying Shoe🇺🇸
I feel your pain when the equipment fails , best of luck my friend on the repairs.
Music to my ears nick.
Well Dang ... looks like we may have to Dyno the Dyno on this one Smile ...Big Wave and Smile to Everyone!!! Have a great week and be safe .
Well once you get the absorber fixed......it will be as good as new.
Was still fun Nick...thanks for giving it "The Ole College tryyy" as my dad would say!!!!
I’ve always felt that when you let equipment sit it’s harder on it. I work for a winery and three months out of the year we use a bunch of pressing equipment. I swear to God we have a ton of failures because we’re not using the machinery often enough we use it three months out of the year….
The FE intake seals have always been tricky to install. Best is to glue them in and let the glue dry . Some kind of weight just to keep them in place helps.
Hooray!! Phil's in the house!! The man has a keen sense for engines. Glad to see something different on the dyno. TBH some get tired of seeing the same old chryco projects. Just wish we could have some LS's, Coyote's, V6's, Inline 6's, even a Slant 6. Maybe some boosted and blown projects. Maybe some porting and flow bench based shows. Just a couple ideas for you Nick. Cheers🇨🇦
My favorite is the 427, second best 428 Cobra Jet.
My favorite Ford power was the 4.6-4V in my 2004 Mercury Marauder. Drove that car for 17 years, never had an engine issue. It had plenty of power for that old mile-eater, perhaps underrated from the factory.
Nick the dyno is the heart of your shop.
Many times oil leaks in the valve covers are caused by too much oil to the rockers . We made restrictors that go in the oil feed to the rockers and solved 2bproblems 1 oil starvation to the bottom end and leaky valve covers . I would cut a 5/16 screw about 1/2:inch length and slightly grind the threads off on opposite sides restricting the oil flow to the top of the engine. This is a well known fix for the Fe engines . The intake seals should be cemented to the block and the gaps on the corners need a little silicone on all 4 corners . I don't like filling the China wall with silicone because it may end up in the oil pickup or cause very hard removal of the intake if necessary . It seems like those Ford engines give you fits but the GM and Chrysler's go as smooth ad as Silk .IDK why the Ford engines come with those little Gremlins when you work so hard to get them right .
Ford FE’s have notoriously difficult intake manifolds to install without oil or water leaks.
Holley jets make the best restrictors. Adjustable too.
That is a nice looking engine. What a heart breaker the dyno failed. You guys definitely know what you are doing!
Thanks Nick Phil and George The 427 FE Was Rocking Till The Absorber Seal Blew 😩 I Think This Engine Will Make 500hp at 6200 RPM Nick 😮😀😊 Can’t Wait Too See It Running With The Holly’s 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Glad You Had a Well Deserved Vacation Welcome Back 😀👍🏼
It's frustrating sometimes and parts don't always work like you want it, but there's noone better than Nick the expert to fix it right. Have a great night Nick and stress to much.
Interesting to see the occasional non Mopar.
My favorite Ford engine is the humble 302. I had a 1970s boat car with a 400, I had a great 73 half ton with a 360. But the most fun was the rusty Fox body Mustang she had with the 302. The most fun you can have on a tight budget.
Right on
Those side pipes have a pleasant exhaust note.
The Master at work! Like a Eagle eyeing his game!!!
I like my K-code 289, I like especially the Boss engines and the 427,428 cobrajet. Low manifold vacuum isnt unusual so a vacuum can may be necessary for power brakes.
Nick....These things happen and I'm sure you will have the dyno up and running again shortly!
I AM looking forward to the next Dyno Day!
A Shelby cobra is a legendary machine The cars from the 60's were an absolute dream This is a side oiler 427 The flat tappet cam well worth a mention This week watching Nick's Garage I'm full of apprehension Either the engine or the dyno is gonna fail Either way it goes will be expensive retail but knowing Nick will take it on the chin He'll easily turn a loss into a win Let the testing begin... Thanks Nick and George All the best from sunny London
IMO the 427FE was the best engine ford ever made. My dad who was a cougar guy had three 68 GT-E’s with the 427 over the years. He did swap the low rise for the high rise to get the better HP in all of his cars. I remember when I was young my dad and my godfather would bring me to New England dragway and you could see the defeat in everyone’s faces when both my dad and godfather showed up before they even got out of their cars lol. My godfather was a gutless cutlass guy and he had many of them. He had hurst olds, 442’s and his fastest cars were his W-30 cars. None of those would beat any of my dads cougars tho lol.
💪I still have my 427. I started saving for my first car when I was 12 yrs old, bought at 14, a 1967 Ford Fairlane with a 427 true “cross bolt main side oiler”. Back then it was big solid flat tappet cams that made me daydream in school and forced me to rush home (or skip class) and just start it and visibly watch the doors shake, that alone was all worth it, having not being able to drive yet.
I pulled the motor all those years ago, l knew I had something REAL special, even at 14 lol. Those were the days!!!
Lol,,, perfect timing for a windows update....
I love those Ford FEs because it's such an oddball and it was basically designed to take the place of the Y block (the #1 oddball) and be able to grow unlike the Y block and to make a lot of torque unlike the Y block and it went on to do such amazing things for such an oddball...
It sounds amazing by the way....
I'm not a ford guy but I'm looking forward to seeing what it does when you get the dyno fixed.
I feel your pain Nick! When I was tuning Harleys, I counted myself lucky when the dyno didn't choke or break down in some fashion! I know you will get to the bottom of it, probably just a faulty part (so much stuff made over-seas now).
Good to see a side oiler on the dyno... good content and thanks...🔧🔧👍
That engine is a legend. It has a 6 or 7 foot timing chain in it.
You are thinking of the SOHC, Single Overhead Cam. This has the standard, in block, cam.
Wrong engine
Still a Legend
Ford Big Block breaks the dyno! :o
FE's are not a big block...they are a mid sized block. All Ford Small blocks and all Ford big blocks share the same bore spacing. The FE sit in the middle of them. As per Ford it is a medium block. The Big Block Small Block only sizing is a GM thing.
@matthewq4b oh yeah only gm? Mopar?
@@karlsracing8422 Not Mopar. Not all their OHV V8 engines were grouped by block size. GM was either Small Block or Big Block, hence the Big Block Small Block ONLY sizing is a GM thing.
@@matthewq4b I agree that bore spacing is the way to classify and it correlates with the other dimensions. FE mid/ medium. I think it is fair to call the 429/460 a "big block" since it has the same dimensions as the other big blocks.
That IS The Bad Boy...
Love Those 427'S
😊
Thank God It’s Monday !
If you sand the Chrome surface on the valve covers and use weatherstrip adhesive with a cork gasket will stick then they'll come off the engine without falling apart
Becoming a motor head has impacted my life. Nick's Garage was the channel that throttled it into a higher gear ratio. Love my motorhead family where ever you may be.
Let's get the Super Flow Dyno fixed. And get a good pass on the Ford 427.
that block style was well known for leaking at the rear intake rail we got to where we would leave out the seal and use RTV and give it at a minimum over night to cure
Look at that engine TORQUE!!!! It wants to twist itself off the dyno!!!!!!!
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when i was 19 i had a 65 Mustang conv. with a hipo 289 4spd
posi. that little motor ripped ! best ford motor!
I bought a brand new 66 HIPO auto trans and it was a POS... proverbial lemon. Traded it for a new 66 Charger 383 loaded.
I had the pleasure of servicing and test driving / joyride a GT350H with the black base and gold stripes equipped with the 4 spd. I’m a lifelong mopar guy but there only a select few mopars I would take over this sweet little Stang.
POSI is a GM term BOOOO!!
Funny--when you first said there was an oil leak, first place I thought of was that rear manifold gasket ! I ran 390's back in the 60's and trying to set those heavy intakes down when reaching in over the front of the car was miserable, and those gaskets would spit out !! I'll be watching for the next video of this engine.
The 700 horsepower Hemi from last week broke the dyno. Time for a dyno upgrade!
I can sense the disappointment! I'm disappointed, and it's not even my dyno. The Ford sounds super tough, can't wait to see what it does once the absorber is sorted.
The Ford 427 series is a legend. I think it was the best of the FE series engines. Such a powerful engine, so powerful that it breaks dyno's!
My all-time favorite Ford engine? That would be the 335 series, aka: Cleveland. I think it's a real shame that the 351C had such a short production run in the U.S. I understand that in Australia, where they were not encumbered with the U.S. emissions laws, they continued to make the 351C and a short stroke 302C in production through 1981.
Awesome thanks love my Ford's I still have my 429 thunderjet
you will get it Nick have a Great day
It sure is funny seeing an AVS and an AFB on the same engine, definitely highlights the difference in the way the air valve on the AVS and the weighted air door on the AFB respond to the exact same conditions.
Welcome back from the holidays and hey I'm sure you will get that 427 sorted re oil leaks and the dyno sorted as well worst luck all for round two next week as those numbers were looking pretty damn good.
Notice how all the top 426-427-428-429 motors from the mid-late 60s only claimed 425 HP?
Weird how aftermarket heads will do that 😂😂
@@hk45c62 I was generalizing genius! Those were displacments I remember from back then. Most manufacturers claimed 1HP per CI. Didn't Ford lie about their 428-429 HP rating.
@@pb68slab18 The FoMoCo 8V 427FE displaced 425 CI and was rated at 425HP, the 428FE was a 427 CI, with the CJ rated at 335 HP. Good as they were, they were not the top rated FE - that was the non-production 427 SOHC with dual quads, 657 HP. Chevy rated their top production 427 at 435 HP. The street 426 was also rated at 425 HP.
@@scottb8175
1963-65 Cevvy 409 dual quad rated 425hp
1963 Chevy Z11 427 W-motor rated 425hp
1965 Chevy 396 L78 rated 425hp
1966-69 Chevy 427 L72 rated 425hp
1967 Chevy 427 L88 rated 425hp
1969 Chevy 427 ZL1 rated 425hp
1970 Chevy 454 LS6 rated 425hp
Mopar 426 Hemi rated 425hp
According to air-cleaner decals!
Of course, other GM divisions claimed their 421to 455ci motors had a much lower peak HP, but again, the dyno proved it was all a LIE!
See a pattern. I actually thought it was either a corporate or an insurance thing not to advertise actual HP, if higher than 425.
Yes , to keep insurance down .
Nick this video is one of your best but all these ads make it very hard to watch
Not a big ford fan but was a Shelby fan especially in the Shelby/dodge era but Ford has some respectable engines. I want to see you test drive the cobra when it’s done
I used to own a 1967 Ford Fairlane GTA 335 hp / 390. Loved that car it surprised it's share of Mopar 383's.
My favorite mustang is the 69 429 cobra jet . The mustang I owned was a 80 hatchback gt
I'm a big fan of the 429 ford, I had a 72 thunderbird when I was 24, I put a Q-Jet on it it ran great, my buddy had a 69 galaxy fast back with a 429, we used to tear up the streets 😆
THIS GUY IS A DOCTOR "
Glad to see a classic Ford on the dyno, im a Ford fan myself, but love all muscle cars.
I like the 429 Boss best.
Ford 289, 427, 390, 428, 255 flathead are my favorites in that order from most to least favorite. Oh, I almost forgot the 312 to. GM favorites would be 1950s 265, 283, 327 up to 1970. Mopar 331, 392 hemi's in the 50s and 426 wedge, 413, 313, 318 polys in the 60's. 340, 273, 318LA, 360, 426 hemi, 440, and the 383RB. Any slant six 170, 198, 225
7:56 I can hear the valve train at this RPM, reminding me of my buddies solid roller 358 with victor junior heads 🤔
Nick, run ‘em ‘til you break ‘em, the fix them stronger.
Great content
Damn man, that torque chart is a thing of dreams
Evenin Mr George an Mr Nick! Have a Great week!!
Awesome show my favorite Ford engine is a 460 had a couple of them over the years good runners keep them coming and see you Monday
Welcome back, Nick!
OH YEAH!!! Sweet FE music from a 427…
Bummer about the dyno, but like any machine, it can and will break ‘someday’
(I’m certain you will have it up and running in no time)
the most important piece of equipment in the shop, I know that it will be back up in running soon, blame it on the Ford, lol, cheers
Hey Nick you have a great and rare ford 3years only then they went to 429 also a great engine cool 😎 man ❤
Very nice motor. I hope the dyno is an easy repair. Looking forward to seeing the motor run again!
You and me both!
👍 Love the video! Praying you get the Dyno fixed 🙏
I'm not a Ford man at all. But I will say this. The 427 ford side oiler was a badass motor. I'm a Mopar Man first and foremost then Chevy Man second. Nick thank you for taking the time out to help us all.
Red power band does that every time 😉
I always wanted a light yellow 70 Boss 302 with a 428 CJ engine.
Boss 302 came with a 302
Nick is the man god bless you and family my friend
There was a time Nick had a BOSS 302 on the dyno. It was giving him a fit. 😀👍
All good now. Wait for part 3.
my favorite ford is the 351 cleveland from the aussie 71 gtho falcon, but they are hard on dyno's and tyres, lol thanks for the vid men
You get to pull the Intake and make sure you have enough squish of sealer on the China walls this time. Been here before.
I like any Ford engine that still runs.