@@Pienimusta You'd probably want something with bigger 40mm stanchions for that stuff, like the Marzocchi Bomber 58. Actually, it'd probably be better to get a Fox 40 Factory, because you need the Kashima if you want to use all your travel.
No 170 option on the Lyrik is kinda dumb imo, many ews racers used the 170 or even 180 lyrik, and I'd prefer a 170 lyrik over a zeb for most of my riding aswell.
I totally agree! I wish there were more color options available. I feel like it would make marketing the fork easier. There are definitely people out there who will pay more or choose a fork over color options alone. I recently saw some dude selling a pair of factory 36's because the orange lowers didn't match his new bike so he bought a black pair instead lol.
@@SidiNic you really don’t if I’m being honest. It’s cool sure, but you still get the same adjustments. If you’re someone who just rides for fun and as a hobby, and you’re not a serious racer or rider, it’s honestly not going to effect you all that much in my opinion. Of course I’d still like to try the new dampers
Which one is more comfortable, 2023 Zeb due to butter cups (but stiffer) vs 2021 Lyric Ultimate (less stiff but no buttercups). Concern is hand/arm fatigue.
@@Kengouru @corismsyn - the general rule of thumb is less stiffness equals more comfort. Although, there are other things to consider when thinking hand and arm fatigue. i.e. What mm riser bar are you using, material, etc. Generally, you can offset some of the stiffness of a Zeb by running an more compliant 31.8mm handlebar.
@@freddievanheerden9739 Yes, that's all clear to me and yet I'm suspecting that many people mix up cockpit stiffness with the fork's torsional stiffness, which have different impacts on the ride feeling and our perception of handling. That's why I was skeptical about some comments saying that you get "tired sooner" with 38 mm stanchion forks. Now that I 've tested them over a long period of time, I reckon that many people don't take in consideration other factors such as bar-clamp diameter, handlebar material, etc... just as you say. Overall, I didn't get tired sooner at all with 38 mm forks, and I'd even dare to say that it was actually quite opposite!
I know I'm here late but they removed the sag measurements because there were enough people changing the travel of their forks, and the sag measurements are meaningless once you do that. I also think liked it and think that it could be an option of whether you want it or not.
I have a somewhat heavy ebike at 80 lbs. I weigh about 220 lbs. I am an old guy (64) and i do not jump or ride black diamond trails. I bought the 140mm Pike forks without doing any research. Was this a bad move?
If anyone has the Lyrik Ultimate in 29" & 150mm, can you tell me what you measure the axle to crown as? Rockshox says it should be 561mm but mine measures 571mm. Also my stanchion length is 160mm. I don't get it...
The aftermarket ZEB fork does not come in 150 from the factory. However, they make 150 air shafts as an aftermarket option. The notes section @4:02 which explains this. -Mike
Still riding my 2017 Trek Stache that came with a Yari. Just started looking into getting something with full suspension. The bikes I’m looking at come with either a pike select+, lyrik ultimate RC2, Fox 36 performance elite grip2, or Fox 36 Rhythm grip.. which is why I’m here.
@@Adam-vm8kp 150g in the Fork isn't nothing. But that's the old Zeb. New Zeb with the updated damper and butter cups it is heavier. I was told it's almost exactly the same weight as the 38 now.
Have ridden both, they're both great. I like how plush the Lyrik feels, and the adjustments on the 36 are nice. I'm happy with either. The differences are overblown. Biggest difference for me is that the Lyrik goes over chatter better while the 36 is more supportive in the mid stroke.
@@dukeofmtb I've ridden both as well, Fox 36 Grip 2 on a Switchblade and the Lyrik on my Offering and perhaps its because I'm lightweight (only 145 lbs) but I can't tune the Lyrik to a point where I would call it plush... just frusrtating. If anyone has tuning tips I'd appreciate them for sure. Currently running zero tokens and settings as per Rockshox online guide, played with everything inbetween and its certainly not plush.
@@joshwithell9809 Sounds like a bushing issue. Next time you send it in for a service, ask them if they do bushing burnishing or at least mention that it feels harsh. Lyriks typically work really well for lighter riders. My wife is 115lbs without gear and runs her 170mm 2021 Lyrik C3 Ultimate at 50psi without tokens. She only comes close to bottom outs on really big drops or flat landings. She also has a 150mm Lyrik on her hardtail at 60psi and 2 tokens, which sounds stiff for her weight but you gotta make up for the lack of rear suspension when all the force from a drop is gonna end up compressing the fork, and it's still super plush. I always get more arm pump on chatter with a Fox fork than a Rockshox. Anyway, I hope it gets sorted out with your next service so you can get the most out of your Lyrik. Best of luck.
Bro I need an enduro bike with a Zeb 170mm for the 4% grade downhills at my local trails.
Not sure if Zeb is enough to handle that. Would recommend the Boxxer to be sure.
@@Pienimusta You'd probably want something with bigger 40mm stanchions for that stuff, like the Marzocchi Bomber 58.
Actually, it'd probably be better to get a Fox 40 Factory, because you need the Kashima if you want to use all your travel.
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You have downhills? We only have flats. I need the boxxer for my trails
@@shailoism With 35mm noddle stanchions? That's no good. Get a Fox 40.
No 170 option on the Lyrik is kinda dumb imo, many ews racers used the 170 or even 180 lyrik, and I'd prefer a 170 lyrik over a zeb for most of my riding aswell.
Totally! I have the same issue. I want a 170 mm Lyrik, for most riders stiffer isn't always better!
They go up to 180mm. Even my 2019 kenevo came with a 180mm lyik. You can get travel change kits
@@mountainbikemike the 2023 lyrik does not.
@@mountainbikemike You're talking about the older Lyrik with the Charger 2.1 damper. The new 2023 Lyrik comes max with 160 mm
Just get a 170mm airshaft?
it's unfortunate that Rockshox offers different colors for each, because honestly having a green pike or a Lyric Red Zeb would be cool
I totally agree! I wish there were more color options available. I feel like it would make marketing the fork easier. There are definitely people out there who will pay more or choose a fork over color options alone. I recently saw some dude selling a pair of factory 36's because the orange lowers didn't match his new bike so he bought a black pair instead lol.
I would love the grey Pike colour but with Lyrik travel
you could go for the previous pike, although i think they only go up to 160mm travel
@@sufyanm4661 160 is enough, but u lose so much from the new tech
@@SidiNic you really don’t if I’m being honest. It’s cool sure, but you still get the same adjustments. If you’re someone who just rides for fun and as a hobby, and you’re not a serious racer or rider, it’s honestly not going to effect you all that much in my opinion. Of course I’d still like to try the new dampers
Great job Tor.
Thanks for clearing that up! I have been wondering what the guys are talking about when they ask what fork my bike has…..
My favorite was the Fox Factory 36 with the Grip 2. 👌
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I would gladly buy new Lyrik for my bike but it is 1250 EUR 🤯, so yea nooo..
Where do you live? I live in a € country as well and it costs way less here
bought one from bikecomponents for 780 €
@@tasik94 you are bought previos version of lyrik which is aroung 780 EUR.
This latest one which is in this video is around 1200 EUR on bike discount.
R2 bike has the new ultimates for sub 900€ now 👀
well the rockshox yari is 530 bucks and is heavily based off of the lyrik
Which one is more comfortable, 2023 Zeb due to butter cups (but stiffer) vs 2021 Lyric Ultimate (less stiff but no buttercups). Concern is hand/arm fatigue.
Same question for me! I've heard from many riders that they get tired sooner with the stiffer ZEB.
@@Kengouru @corismsyn - the general rule of thumb is less stiffness equals more comfort. Although, there are other things to consider when thinking hand and arm fatigue. i.e. What mm riser bar are you using, material, etc. Generally, you can offset some of the stiffness of a Zeb by running an more compliant 31.8mm handlebar.
@@freddievanheerden9739 Yes, that's all clear to me and yet I'm suspecting that many people mix up cockpit stiffness with the fork's torsional stiffness, which have different impacts on the ride feeling and our perception of handling. That's why I was skeptical about some comments saying that you get "tired sooner" with 38 mm stanchion forks. Now that I 've tested them over a long period of time, I reckon that many people don't take in consideration other factors such as bar-clamp diameter, handlebar material, etc... just as you say. Overall, I didn't get tired sooner at all with 38 mm forks, and I'd even dare to say that it was actually quite opposite!
@@Kengouru Thanks - valuable feedback
Wish they all had the silver color option.
Why do some rockshox Fork have the Max travel mark on the stanchion and others don’t ? Legit question and sorry for the ignorance
Nice breakdown... Just picked up my Zeb Ultimate 160mm. What happened to the sag gradients on the stanchions!?
Odd they are there on my 190mm
@@johnstoddart9026 Dang really!? It's the new 2023 model right? The sag measurements is the best part of the Rockshox line!
@@fgonzales11b ah no 2022 one that's why then
I know I'm here late but they removed the sag measurements because there were enough people changing the travel of their forks, and the sag measurements are meaningless once you do that.
I also think liked it and think that it could be an option of whether you want it or not.
SID SL Ultimate here. Lol
Grass is green, sky is blue😄
I have a somewhat heavy ebike at 80 lbs. I weigh about 220 lbs. I am an old guy (64) and i do not jump or ride black diamond trails. I bought the 140mm Pike forks without doing any research.
Was this a bad move?
Yes ebikes are mostly 160mm forks depends what ebike you ride
is there no Yari anymore?
Lol the dialogue Its like a reading from safari
If anyone has the Lyrik Ultimate in 29" & 150mm, can you tell me what you measure the axle to crown as? Rockshox says it should be 561mm but mine measures 571mm. Also my stanchion length is 160mm. I don't get it...
great video !
TOR!
Anyone else notice the knipex wrench going the wrong way?
Haha good eye! That clip is played in reverse in our intro.
-Mike
RIP RockShox Yari.
The zeb also comes in 150mm
The aftermarket ZEB fork does not come in 150 from the factory. However, they make 150 air shafts as an aftermarket option. The notes section @4:02 which explains this.
-Mike
Yari gang wya
You ever find the Yari gang?
-Mike
@@TheLostCo hey it’s only been two days they’re probably all on the way
@@samrichardson2641 it has been over 1 month 😁
@@revexetnepoviem7031 fr I guess they all abandoned me
Still riding my 2017 Trek Stache that came with a Yari. Just started looking into getting something with full suspension.
The bikes I’m looking at come with either a pike select+, lyrik ultimate RC2, Fox 36 performance elite grip2, or Fox 36 Rhythm grip.. which is why I’m here.
Isn't the new Zeb just as heavy as "comparable forks" aka Fox 38?
Zeb weighs very slightly less but there’s not much in it, ~150g As far as I know.
@@Adam-vm8kp 150g in the Fork isn't nothing. But that's the old Zeb. New Zeb with the updated damper and butter cups it is heavier. I was told it's almost exactly the same weight as the 38 now.
@@andremtb480 on a fork weighing almost 2 and a half kilos 100-150 difference isn’t outrageous. If they both weighed the same what would be the issue?
@@Adam-vm8kp they either weigh the same or they don’t. If one is 150g more than that’s enough to matter in a fork.. aka not the same
@@andremtb480 I’d be more concerned which has the better damper and the stiffer chassis etc rather than which is the heaviest
Lyrik, the all-around fork!
My Evil Offering came with a Lyrik Ultimate, and I’d trade it tomorrow for a Fox Factory fork.
How so? I have a Fox and really happy with it
Have ridden both, they're both great. I like how plush the Lyrik feels, and the adjustments on the 36 are nice. I'm happy with either. The differences are overblown. Biggest difference for me is that the Lyrik goes over chatter better while the 36 is more supportive in the mid stroke.
@@SidiNic I agree, I prefer the Fox setup
@@dukeofmtb I've ridden both as well, Fox 36 Grip 2 on a Switchblade and the Lyrik on my Offering and perhaps its because I'm lightweight (only 145 lbs) but I can't tune the Lyrik to a point where I would call it plush... just frusrtating. If anyone has tuning tips I'd appreciate them for sure. Currently running zero tokens and settings as per Rockshox online guide, played with everything inbetween and its certainly not plush.
@@joshwithell9809 Sounds like a bushing issue. Next time you send it in for a service, ask them if they do bushing burnishing or at least mention that it feels harsh. Lyriks typically work really well for lighter riders. My wife is 115lbs without gear and runs her 170mm 2021 Lyrik C3 Ultimate at 50psi without tokens. She only comes close to bottom outs on really big drops or flat landings. She also has a 150mm Lyrik on her hardtail at 60psi and 2 tokens, which sounds stiff for her weight but you gotta make up for the lack of rear suspension when all the force from a drop is gonna end up compressing the fork, and it's still super plush. I always get more arm pump on chatter with a Fox fork than a Rockshox. Anyway, I hope it gets sorted out with your next service so you can get the most out of your Lyrik. Best of luck.
i hope RS pays you for making their ads
A business selling products. How is that shocking?
@@skinnybricks i guess you missed the point lol. also you answered an almost 1 year old comment.