It annoys me so much when the devs say the data shows there's more pve players. But just look at the amount of resources they put into pve and the result of NWs current state. If they put half that effort into pvp the game would be in a much better place and the data would show more pvp players. It seems like they have an inability to draw information out of the data, no sense of context.
theres multiples signs showing that their data is simply flawed. I genuinely believe they think there's way more PvPer's than PvErs because PvPer's do PvE to get gear lol
That's why in every war it always the same ppl, same alts? Oh yeah pvp is alive and well but it's really only the same 300 ppl in game fighting every war? LOL
As a pvp player, I agreed 100% with everything you said. I don't understand why AGS left pvp so neglected. I play a lot of OPR and the situation is terrible since already 3 years: rewards are useless, matchmaking is disgusting, matches ends with scores of 1000 vs 100 the 90% of the times, weapons, armors etc always unbalanced (there is always a meta that is stronger, like the ranger meta with muskets that took one year till they finally changed), etc. After 3 years AGS did the minimum of the minimum for pvp and for me is incomprehensible.
You missed a major problem with New World's PvP, at least, from a more casual perspective: range damage. It makes causal PvP, like OPR, nearly impossible for new players, particularly new melee players, especially if they play solo. They will try it a few times, get destroyed before they know what happens, and never play again. You can dismiss this comment as someone being biased or a skill issue or something, but after like 2k hours on the musket and 2k hours on melee, I sincerely don't see how any new melee player would stick with new world. It's really all about that fun vs not fun issue when you were taking about healers in your video. Excessive range damage causes the same problem and I'm pretty sure NW lost A LOT of players because of it. You made some other valid points, though.
I don't see your point. A new ranged player will always be more squishy than a new melee player and face the same problem or worse. Making this a melee only problem tells me that you are definitely biased. It's a new player problem.
@@fooojin Melee builds do not innately have any more health or mitigation than range builds. What makes melee so difficult, especially for new players, is that you have to ALWAYS be in a position of risk to deal damage because you need to be standing next to the target to deal damage. When you play range, you can shoot from a safe distance and run whenever a threat gets close. I agree that new players will get destroyed in PvP regardless of whether they are playing range or melee. However, the new melee player will die before they even hit anyone where as the range player will be able to at least deal some damage and maybe even get some kills. The new melee player isn't getting many kills for a long time.
@fooojin Ranged is OP. I've played with both. FS is literally the most broken weapon in the game. All ranged players need to do is keep distance. If you're bad at that, use rapier to get outta there lol
lol the people talking shit doesn't know how good of a player kippp is. He's making a good point, not popular one since there are so many ranged players, for obvious reasons.
An intelligent and experienced review. I totally agree with this. Community players nerf items they hate by trashing them. Then it becomes entirely in their interest. A smart mmorg producer should definitely not take these into consideration. These should be examined but not taken into account. Because while this will be good for one side, it will be bad for the other side. New World production definitely cannot achieve the balance. I agree 100% with you that there are groups of people and leaders that influence GMs. I've been playing mmorg for years and I'm a top level PvP player. I agree with what you say, it's a completely beautiful and intelligent, informed review.
Had a solid time playing this game with my wife and we mainly did pvp we loved the feel and understanding the deeper learning curve pvp had to offer other that left clicking and abilities. I hope they sell this game off to some indie company mod this and rerelease it.
Yup nail on the head… that was my Reddit post about healing too lol. I’ve made discord posts years ago about healing and got ridiculed and harrassed that even turned into dms. I was a cos kill leader when it was the best pvp server but somehow I still have a skill issue. Literally disabling lifestaff in PvP would actually alone keep pvp alive.
Agree on the shirking heals take, except, for me it was more like, i saw it was overpowered at once, and started grinding items, but i didnt have enough time to play being a new dad. Once i spent my valuble free time and finally got the gear, it was already nerfed, and i did not want to start over. I made i build now where it still works ok, so i play a little, but feel no motivation to invest much time anymore, as i cant play enough to keep up with the fast changing metas. Also the blatant ignoring of the need for more pvp modes from devs feels like they spit us pvpers in the face.
They completely squandered the hype and resurgence the expansion brought. They handled it so poorly that even if they come out with an expansion in the future it will be hamstrung by the way they handled Rise. I’d go so far as to say it hurts their credibility with future endeavors like their LoTR MMO. I guarantee they didn’t earn themselves any leeway with the gaming community and the first time that game has issues or bugs or content questions people will point to their track record with NW. You can have a rough start when releasing a game but if you stick to it, make right decisions and show that you’re at least invested in something people have spent their time and money on then you’ll rebuild faith and support. If you squander people’s time and money and end in a fizzle instead of a bang it follows you for all future projects. Just look at No Mans Sky and all the hype behind their new project. The community as a whole has pretty much forgiven them because they took the right steps to make amends. With NW you feel like the jilted lover who stuck through all the crap only to be left with more crap as they move on to their new lover… It’s all made sadder because of the unrealized potential. The mishandling of a great game will always piss off the player base that knows what it could be in the hands of a better studio. I’ve enjoyed my time in NW but I’m also not naive to the fact that I’ve been afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome. I held out for hope of a New World fully realized but it appears that will never materialize and so my time in Aeternum will forever be tainted bittersweet… -R3ckoning, El Dorado
over 3k hours in this game, chased every meta, played every role. ran a guild that held territory and all I can say is this is the longest beta I have ever played.
3:03 looks really beautiful, Damn. Thankyou for your honest feedback you've really helped me, I just hope there is a new game or something to take it's place, these types of games need mods hehe,. Cheers man
I can't say anything else than that I agree with you 100%. Thanks for expressing our thoughts so well, we'll see each other in another trash mmo pvping.
As a PVE player I disagree with your take at the end. There WERE way more PVE players than PVP players but the problem is AGS is unbelievably incompetent at designing PVE fights & experiences and has managed to drive them away. A few notable examples: - The investment cost to top tier PVE is prohibitive. Let's take Starstone M3 as an example. Not only do you need a 695+ gear set filled with the correct gems to mitigate against that week's element but also: powerful honing stone, the best attribute food, coating potions for both Ancient and Lost monsters, ward potions for both Ancient and Lost monsters. Some expeditions you need to bring extra gear to handle some bullshit (e.g. a void amulet for the dog boss in Depths) - The telegraphing of moves is horrible to nonexistent and a lot of bosses do AoE BEHIND THEM when it makes no sense for that to happen. The most obvious example is the elbow of doom by Captain Thorpe where he looks at the tank, draws his sword arm back preparing to attack him and IN THAT MOTION does an AOE attack behind him that can 1-shot dpses at 100 con in M3. There's no windup, no visual cues to indicate an AoE and the movement looks very much like other attacks he does with the sword. Other bosses like Gardenkeeper in Genesis just randomly decide to instantly turn around and throw a 1-shot AOE wave your way and the reason it 1-shots you is because it does NOT respect the the mutation rule that claims 50% of all damage should be converted into that week's element. - Ranged weapons have always been and still are shit in mutations. Now ok, maybe at a couple of boss fights they do alright but everywhere else in that dungeon it feels like you're missing 1 dps. - The transition from the M10 system to the M3 system has resulted in massively less engagement with highest difficulty content by players. They made M1 and M2 so ridiculously easy that you don't even need to use potions and can cheese most of the mechanics and then you get to M3 where suddenly a bunch of stuff can 1-shot you if you're not careful and where ignoring mechanics is not an option, except now players have not learned those skills in lower tiers and cannot adapt. Consequently, they fail a bunch of times, get frustrated and they stop trying. - Cross-server rankings have mostly killed leaderboard competition. Before, I could see the top players on my server, group up with them and beat their previous scores, there was a thriving community around rankings for a good while after it was first released. Now, if you're not on either Nysa or maybe a couple of other servers you might as well be pissing in the wind. - Speed running in its current form is a cancer. People basically run through and avoid fighting, bug abuse and skip objectives and mechanics as much as possible to get to the end in a ridiculously low time. You can avoid most of the mobs, you don't need to kill all the elites, you can even suicide to distract packs, etc. You do it 20-30 times in a row mostly wasting those dungeon entries and on ONE try you manage to get over 50K points and THAT is your winning attempt.
Real time PVP at it's best, you could really feel how you got better at this game when practicing and gearing up, from zero to top tier guild, I sometimes hated it but will miss it. :D Nice videos all along man.
New World PVP experience for a newbie : Launch OPR as a melee, matches against 15 range weapons, gets killed by random arrows spammers when arriving at Sun, respawn rush back to Sun, get caught up by a light assassins SNS on the way, get killed, respawn at moon/star because of spawn, try to defend his base gets sniped by fireballs/musket/bows and dies, respawn and try to play more carefull, door broke, he was playing way back but he couldnt escape the 15 range spammers through gate mini aoes and die again, respawn at base because spawn broke, get out of the spawn and get caught by a musket/bow premade with a healer, dies in 4s, leave and go back farming nodes at myrk Range weapons killed OPR, killed arenas, killed open world. The only safe heaven for melees are wars, which is hard gated. So you only have range DPS NPCs playing these gamemodes. And game dies because you need melee players
Are you daydreaming ? Arenas are FULL of melee cause it's by far the most OP. Except if you're REALLY skilled, you will never survive the endless CC builds based on lance, or the other GS builds that just rushes you and spamm until you either manage to escape, or they killed you Just tag arenas and count the number of melee players vs ranged.
@@raidden-1583 dont bother with him. he's the type of people i'm referring to at 5:30 but I don't blame him and SOME of his feelings are valid. All they had to do was have matchmaking for OPR based on role to solve the whole melee vs ranged argument. AGS couldn't even do that.
@@raidden-1583 Im talking specificaly opr here, kid. Arenas, healers are the worst offender. Melees can manage range players, at least in the lastest arena map. But in OPR if you think im wrong you are delusional. Opr is the most played pvp content, and every melee players i knew/know hate it because of the range NPCs. As Deity said, a matchmaking system would have done the trick. It should have been here on release, not 3 years after
@@DeityVengy indeed my feelings are valid, same as the hundreds of melee players i know that left nw or stop playing oprs to war log specificaly because of the range dps NPCs. Im not saying its the only issue, dont get me started on healers in arenas and open world, doors in opr, wars being gated by absolute donkeys or no pvp content updates.
The healing in this game is the worst thing in it's existence. Thanks for actually saying it as it is. It is a tab target class in an action combat mmo.. IDK how that even got passed the design process.
My first MMO game was New world before I used to play SnD call of modern 2019 as I had no interest in MMO my friend told me try it he even give me money for it I try for few week I love it so much that I uninstall call of duty farm trophy daily 4 hour sometime even 13 hour for gear my main weapon was bow play OPR 7 hour a day for months and slowly OPR stop poping I quit for couple of months I came back as I had hope for seeing more pvp player it was still same I quit forever I love it back when windsward as fill with player for war that’s was the best moment which I will probably remember forever
It was a good run. Still miss playing it, but you summed it up: bugs last too long and "balancing" is far to aggressive. Can't build a community when some bugs outlast entire servers.
Good vid brother! NW was a good ride! And I see that the community is still thirsty for NW content. Probably more people watching stuff about NW than actually playing the game.
Lol, 17:20 + my thoughts exactly dude. Im working in gamedev and once I was arguing with my friends from work about the topic. Unfortunately they seemed to think that there is pvp in almost every game nowadays and that they didn't like it. When I asked them to give me an example of open world PVP game, they only shared ones in which there were arenas or there was pvp in the past, but it was almost entirely removed from the game along the years. Man, only MMO game that I can think of that had working not pay to win open world PVP that also wasn't hidden behind months of pve was Lineage 2. People were literally pvping just after creating the character. You could murder anyone in that game. I heard that it was okay in early wow aswell but unfortunately I haven't experienced that.
ask them - do they like PVE addons and system: Damage Meter/Mythic+ Scoring System (WOW)/addon WCL Ranking Tooltip? if no, then just by looking at their faces, you can tell they're losers who love non competitive PvE ;) If exams are not mandatory for admission now, then I’m not surprised where people have such a psychology. just pay :)
@@user-kg8id At the moment i don't recall these games past the title, thank you for recommendation tho, ill check it out. At the moment I went back to L2 private server Reborn for last couple months, but it's game from 2003 so it might not be up to taste of many people.
From an MMO player perspective(also largely PvP) the game just needs more to do in every aspect of the game. AGS Should look to Elder Scrolls for some ideas, the mini games, the PvP modes, theres so much to offer for every type of player. Even if PvP is 'dead' in ESO, at least theres a real area for factions to fight. I really would like NW to be a blend of itself, ESO, and DAoC. But that's just me.
They should do what GW2 Build system for Arena and OPR loadout equipment and skill/stats build, stand separately to OpenWorld/PvE. New player can enjoy build making even though they still low level or not have lot of gold. I like PvP in NW but good God, I really hate PvE in NW
@@DeityVengy SoonTM brother. It is interesting to see new world having similar issues to BDO. You bring up a good point, if they fixed a lot of those early problems they could have kept the BDO guys who tried out the game.
New World has a lot of problems, but in my opinion the new movement feels good. I do like the new tilt zoom out when the camera is pointing down. I mainly play wars ( 5 characters ) different servers and region. I think what really fuck the game up from the start was the servers. The crazy amount of desync and just abilities not connecting made a lot of people quit the game. Let's also not forget how hard it is for new players to gear up for PvP. It cost a lot of gold and now you get time gated with name item upgrades. For people in big companies, it's easy. You get help either with rolls, mats or gold from your payouts. Artifacts should change how abilities interact/work. Scorpion's Sting is a good example of that. One game that I love and play on the side since release and changes how abilities/skills work its PoE. They could do something similar to that with the current gems. For example, if you have an ice gem on a hammer. It should add a trail of frost for abilities such as path of destiny. It sucks because I love the game, but with new games coming out and new dlc for other games..... that might be the end of new world. The next update needs to be big, but we all know it might just be console release lol.
About 2 years ago I wrote a post on the New World Subreddit about that the Devs should stop listening to player feedback, and instead make the game that they want to make themselves and I got a ton of shit over that. But I knew I was right back then and now I'm even more certain that I was right. Why the hell should devs even listen to people who already stopped playing in the first place? There should be a feedback page inside of the game where people who do actively play can submit their feedback (that way the devs also have player data on playtime and all other sorts of things) instead of random redditors who didn't even get past lvl 40 most likely. I disagre with you about the new movemen't though. I think its better then what we used to have. I always felt it was weird that New World was always controlling like a 1st person shooter and not like an action RPG game (Like Elden Ring), but at least now it at least moves like one. Though it's so sluggish and non fluid which I think is because they haven't animated any transition between animations. An example being that in Elden Ring theres an animation connecting everything all the time like you running into an attack, that movement has an specific animation which is unique to pretty much every weapon. But in New World they forgot about this and instead your character starts sliding which looks stupid, causes more desync issues (at least visually) and just makes movement worse in general. New World also doesn't have any micro movement like elden ring does which combined with the previous issue makes combat very static. Especially for melee where in an 1v1 theres just 2 people left clicking each others wating to dodge enemy CC abilities and then waiting for their own CDs to come back. Compared to Elden Ring where spacing and timing is a huge factor which adds a lot of tactical strategy to fights. A bit of a tangent sorry but I hope you find it interesting at least. Lastly I wanna say that I agree with healers being stupid, like you say it would be more fun without them and the very least, just as you said, it shouldn't be tab targeting when nothing else is. Oh and I almost forgot once again you're so right New World PvE Is completely brain dead activity. Which is also more fun without a healer and also without a tank, but even then its stupid and desync is the only thing which will kill you, or an overwhelming amount of dmg/one shot mechanics which can't all be dodged. Like theres even better PvE encounters and bosses especially in school projects and souls like fangames & mods. So I dont get how AGS can't hire any staff which has any idea how to make good pve enemy encounters and designs.
If I wasnt lucky enough to have gotten into the war community, I would have quit 3000 hours ago. Can't play more than 2 OPRs in a row without wanting to uninstall the game. Whether it be crashing out of OPR and getting quitters penalty banned for 1hr, playing in an opr with 0 balance (4 healers on 1 team, 0 on the other), or going 100 tracks deep without hitting the artifact you want. Game is just shit for PVP and it astonishes me how ignorant they are to the community. They add 1 expedition every update that gives maybe 3 hours of new content while you figure out all the 1 shot mechanics. After that the entire season's content is done. If they added a new opr map, cross world 3v3s, practice wars, etc- that would give months or years of pvp replay-ability but they are just too blind to see that (and also- most of the tech for that stuff is already there, it just takes a bit of effort and probably less effort than it takes to make a new dungeon). Also, the one actually interesting PvE mode is the sandwurm, and they made it absolutely pointless because they can't dedicate 1 developer to do 1 day of work to update the loottable. Shits mind blowing. Sometimes it feels like they are intentionally sabotaging their own game. Only due to wars, I will be hardstuck on this game until either some IRL stuff happens to me or the game actually shuts down. I've accepted that I will be on the ship as it sinks and while fixing this game could maybe take maximum 2-3 months of work I am past believing in this dev team to do it. I don't blame anyone for quitting, however on the very rare off chance AGS decide to turn their brains on, this game could still come back.
In the new forged video the devs even said new world was pve centered. I don’t agree. I like the pvp and feel forced to have to pve to get artifacts and then level them. Currently I’m doing this on my alt. The reason I stay around is my fellow company members. We still have fun doing races and opr. You are spot on. I truly wonder if the data shows high pve only because the pvp is so run down.
I came back for xpac and now quitting for a lot of the reasons you went through. Gear is much easier to get, but still don't want my whole suit to be made obsolete from an AGS whim. Metas should be allowed to run naturally.
Not always agreed with you in the past, but definitely nailed it with this one. And there are obviously a bunch of additional issues you couldn't even touch on here as that would probably be out of scope for a 20 minute video. Overall really sad to see the game go down like this, but with this incredibly incompetent dev team it was only a matter of time. Time to move on.
This is what New World needs (being saying since Alpha): - Whole World needs to be PvP zone. - Needs world bosses that will drop exclusive Items (long respawn... like 10-20 hours window) - Drops need to be universal (exemple: Boss will drop the item on the floor, only 1 person will get it - goes to party that makes more damage) This way you will have parties in the world, looking for bosses to kill and get the items, you will have big pvp, parties fighting for the bosses. Alliances, deciding who will keep the items, etc. (if you thinking "just like Lineage2", you are right, thats the best World System ever made, specially the pvp/pk system). Also: Ranked PvP (obviously), I can´t believe that wasnt in the game since day one.
While I agree with your overall message I feel this is very biased opinion towards PvP. I do not think the game is dead solely on PvP'ers leaving. But yeah. That last nail is coming.
I think it's dead because the PvE'ers and PvPer's left. The PvEr's left for obvious reasons but the PvPers usually stick around in games like this. It's when PvPer's actually leave that the game finally dies imo
Makes me so sad how mismanaged this game is...pvp in New World is so much fun and these devs just think systems reworks/controller support are more important than giving people actual content to play. Chest runs and 1 new expedition a year with the only pvp addition being arena which they nerfed they loot into oblivion is just mindblowing. One of the biggest gaming fumbles i've ever witnessed
The problem was they never really listen to the people who main PVP. In alpha pvp was way more complex then they mad combat easier for the more casual PVE player base due to complaining. They also never really developed weapons and Armor for PVP. I love games that make PVP sets that you earn through PVP I hate having to grind gold to fight people.
About new movement system,this was made for controllers And I highly agree that player in for example in elden ring With controller will obliterate player on mouse and keyboard With free camera
that's why I put reddit active numbers too. new world had 800-1.2k active active on reddit when the pop was at 50-70k. if guild wars 2 has 400-700 active, then signs show the game is probably sitting at around 30-40k concurrent on average
there is 0 correlation between reddit numbers and the actual game active players. Gw2 reddit is full with cry baby players and by no means represent the game population.
@@XBPReginleif there is definitely a correlation but okay. let's use twitch average viewers instead over the past 7 days. new world and guild wars 2 are both at 700 and I'd say they definitely have similar pop rn as I've heard guild wars 2 isn't doing too well. new world during latest expansion release was at 14k average and dropped to 3k. guild wars 2's all time average peak was 3.5k. so new world definitely outnumbered or had very similar population to guild wars 2 for the majority of it's life
ok, but gw2 is a 2012 game and new world is a very new game with better graphics, of course is gonna have better views, but is not even near to have the pops gw2 have.@@DeityVengy
@@XBPReginleif my dude we are comparing trash to trash it doesn't really matter. both guild wars 2 and new world are under 100k peak concurrent thats for sure. new world felt alive at 50-70k and guild wars 2 feels alive at any number. ffxiv came out in 2010 and ugly graphically and it still has 5k viewers on twitch
This is why I do NOT LIKE games that try to do PvP and PvE. Balance issues are made 100 times worse. What works for one doesn't work in the other. I'm also sick and tired of being forced to do PvP to get certain Artifacts. So when I go into PvP, I don't care if I win or lose, just as long as I get my XP's so I can get my Artifact. I'm sure all you PvPers love that. So complain to AGS for me because it's just dragging down your game.
I play both PvE and PvP. However I agree with you 100%. New World had at time an awesome PvP and a terrible PvE. When the devs stated that players are PvE centric it made me realize how out of touch they were to their own game. That statement was the nail in the coffin. They revealed that they did not care for the PvP content and it was evident in every expansion and every update. So if the believe the PvE was the route they want to continuously chase, then for me I was out. Elden Ring is a game that has both great PvE and PvP with 10X the concurrent players just having fun nonstop without live services and a cash shop. I can not understand with all the resources in the world why they haven’t figured it out. What I’ve concluded is that the devs are not gamers. They are just programmers and artists that are just trying to make a living. They have no vision or passion for the game they’ve made nor are they playing it. So it is time to move on.
People really don't realize that the devs working on new world do not have any experience with mmo's not a single dev. Look at scott lanes imdb page and you will ask yourself how the fuck is he the lead on new world.
thank you vengy, in some sense i was thinking ags dosnt even derserve a video like this , they shouldnt even know why they get to fail , when it was in front of their face the whole time and they deciced to go for the money bag and not focus on the core of the game. ill miss yall 4 months new world free, better for it , but ohh mannn i fucking loved this game for a long time and i had so much fun playing with yall. my question to everybody , would you play lotr mmo in the future knowing this dev team made it ? i wouldnt want too, im too jaded at this point but well see
healers and op perks like stamina recovery make any sort of pvp scenario completely arbitrary, they promote bad gameplay decisions and bail out big mistakes in positining, cooldown management and stamia management. if they got removed, so many supposedly good players would get reality checked hard.
meh... its still too early to tell. they've been focusing on long-term goals (new coding, console release, cross-server features, new MSQ, possibly releasing on game pass, etc.) AND they're adding the new pvp mode (supposedly pretty huge) in June, whatever that may be. If no one comes back and june announcement is a flop, then the game will officially have failed. but i have a feeling lots of new players and returning players will come back. ad maybe this time, AGS will start adding more end game content now that they have a better foundation
I really liked the game but stopped playing once heavy armor heal got executed in one swing because I could at least change up the build a little bit. My second reason was my main weapon (Life Staff) was braindead. Every build was the same 3 skills and this orb/aoe mechanic was boring. Every time I miss NW I just think of it and suddenly I don't care anymore.
You nailed it all the way into NW's coffin there brother. I could do nothing but *facepalm* when I saw their podcast claiming 5 PVE : 1 PVP player.... yeah - after you lost 1million PVP players and now only have 5-10k PVE players left... GJ gaslighting yourselves AGS. You could have EASILY had a genre-defining WIN of a game here.....if you would have stuck with the game you promised all of us from the beginning. You know - the reason we all pre-ordered it in alpha and beta - when it was a full PVP game....
PVE items locked into a PVP track, and now Season 5, and the Artifact track is now setup to have a chance at every 10 levels for an artifact to show up. Guess what.. I played 30 tracks and not a single artifact showed up. AGS's answer is to lock powerful PVE artifacts behind a PVP track. A lot of people, PVE players, hate PVP! I said F this, I'm out. My friends are out as well. AGS is a failed game developer, and they need to give up now. They suck at it.
I love New World, as many of you still watching videos like this do. There was a time when I thought NW might have it's No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk 2077 moment, and make a huge comeback. After watching how things have played out over the last few years, I no longer have that hope. I'm sure the dev team has some amazing and very talented people in it, but it's obvious to anyone following the game for a long time that there are very serious issues in AGS's leadership team. And, I don't think that is going to change. The people with the power to make the changes needed have zero idea what it's like to be a player of the very game they are responsible for, full stop.
such a shame. the core mechanics behind the combat in this game gave it so much potential to be great. Christoph Hartmann is VP at AGS and is known for publishing bioshock 1 & borderlands, both that would for incorporating a multiplayer mode, but never did. Scot Lane, New World's game director, is known for developing fallout. Another game with no pvp that would have thrived from a multiplayer mode. At the end of the day, it's not their fault that pvp and thus New World as a whole failed. It's whoever hired them. I'm not going to call a plumber to fix my car, why would you call these pve dorks in to create a game that was initially released as pvp focused
Im a pve player and I absolutely hate doing pvp (for my artifact for example). I just don't like playing in unbalanced oprs with healers and sweaty tryhards trying to abuse each and every window of opportunity avalible to be broken. Say what you want but it is much worse to play opr shit without a pvp set against tryhards, just so you have a chance that the item you want will appear in checkpoint 3. My heart melts when a pvp player will have to spend like what 1000 gold? not even? on gems to do a couple of 15-20min mutations against easy AI enemies so they can get their artifact.
how would new world be different if it didnt have any pvp at all? it would have 10 more expeditions and 1 more raid. guess what? it would be dead and bad because the pve in this game is bad. i sum it up perfectly at 15:20
I have 4k hours on new world. I am probably mid/lower mid pvper even though my all my time has been put into pvp. I wont get into the crafting issues of PVP. He is 1000% right about state of new world. On top of that range is OP as F. The range mains may disagree with me but I will die on my hill. Goofy shit like he said is true. he complains about healer mains but range abuses this more than anyone. You must have a 4-5 man cop loaded with WH. And a complete Bow/rapier player will dodge them all.. On top of that, they have AOE, Single dps targeting. And you cannot do shit
PvP feels horrible right now. Everything is crazy desynced again, shots not connecting, arrows Go to a different direction then you aim, movement feels clunky, weapons dont Switch a Lot of times. Idk IT feels Like a Alpha or Beta gameplay
Deity, thank you for the vid, a good take. Also, thanks for your other videos supporting and promoting the pvp aspects of New World. I'm not 100% giving up yet, though. Only because I have no other pvp game I enjoy right now, and I just may be a fool, haha. Btw, love and hate you in game. I'm proud to say I killed you once in height of op S.H, with the help of another of course...I have a feeling I'll see you again on El Dorado.
I don’t think New World was ever going to be a top MMO. PvP in MMOs is wacky, and to most players unobtainable because of the time commitment to get yourself on an even playing field, let alone practice and improve once there. New World is what it is. It was never going to be anything more. There is still a lot to like in the game.
Man, AGS neglecting PvP is a stupid thing to do. I was one of the few players who disagreed with the game's PvP on/off feature. I mean the concept of 3 factions fighting for glory is super cool ( I used to love an old Korean MMO with something similar to this concept) but they basically kill the PvP using the on/off feature.
i dont know if you ever heard about the game dragon nest but that game had some of the best pvp system ever, especially 1vs1 i played that game 24/7 mostly 1vs1 pvp, it was an mmo but kinda instanced. one of the best things besides the amazing combat in pvp was that you could not use any pots in pvp, but your hp pool was pretty big. in my oppinion you should never be able to use pots in pvp in any mmo, just increase the hp to like 30-50k or whatever but once your dead your dead. this would make any pvp encounter so much more fun, i just dont like pots at all or armor that regenerates your hp even worse its just stupid in my oppinion.
I agree with a lot of what you say in this video, but... Only taking feedback and balancing around "high skill" PvPers would make a garbage game (only high skill PvPers would play and it would be DoA). No healers in PvP would just make everyone run ranged light armor builds (even more so than they do already if that is possible). If you think PvP is less fun with healers then you haven't played a bruiser. Lack of end game (for PvP and PvE) is the single biggest reason this game is dying. There are a lot of other smaller things (a lot of what you mentioned) as well. I hope they can turn it around.
well we see the result of taking feedback from everyone, and it obviously isn't working. and I'm not saying remove healers and keep the game as is. remove healers and then balance the game around that. tons of games I've played have no healers and it works very well
Guild Wars 2 and BDO are realistically not PvP mmos. Also both of these games have large amount or even majority of players that arent on steam. GW2 has probably way higher numbers than NW as total number of online players and BDO probably has quite a lot more as well. But maybe I just misunderstood your comparison to these MMOs at start.
if you base it on twitch and reddit numbers, both bdo and guild wars 2 have around 50-80k concurrent players daily. The entire point of bdo is to grind better gear so u can pvp. I honestly have never met someone that only does PvE in bdo besides lifeskillers
@@DeityVengy Yeah that is what it is supposed to be but devs decided to remove almost all incentive to grind gear for PvP. Being red is massive disadvantage, war declaration now has to be agreed on by both sides, node wars have bad changes (can be more specific its just what i mostly hear about node wars) and most people play with capped gear which is really easy to get. Only good recent uncapped PvP addition was Guild League which is uncapped GvG. PvP balance is secondary to PvE balance so classes are way too protected now so pvers can chain forward guards against mob dmg or superarmor against mob cc. Reality is devs just catered to players that like mindless grinding for dopamine of progressing your gear just for the sake of progressing. So this is what the playerbase is now. The amount of ticking buffs or buffs you loose on death that you feel forced to use while grinding has largely impacted people to become so anti open world pvp. Compared to years back when you popped a cheap food buff and pvped for spot half the time and actually grinded the rest.
and people said the new combat code would improve the game overall xD we all know it's gonna take a year for them to fix all the new bugs they introduced
the main thing pushing me away from the game is about the desync the lag the game it makes me feel im playing under the water and some times my hits does not register and its not fun getting kill by someone because the desync i want to do PVP if i died at least i know someone was better not because my attack went through and did not do damage. by the way my CPU i7-13 Gen, GPU Nvidia 4090 and 32GB Ram and still with the problem lol
there is no way peace of sht new world is rivaling black desert online, your looking at steam numbers when everyone plays from official bdo client, bdo is growing while new world is going down the shitter.
A game with so much potential, but focused on all the wrong things. PvP always got the shaft too. I only speed run m3’s, and nothing else. They ruined the market also with the big update.
Why New World has failed on the PVP? Because range DPS weapons have been op forever and make leave the game any new pvpers. But at some points, the die-hards stop because there is only wars to do. OPRS/arenas/open world are range fiesta. Oh and also no content
So sad I stuck around this whole time hoping for some PvP love, at the very least a new opr map (the only real game mode I played) stuck the bug, bots, cheaters, desync, op as fuck weapons and armour perks while trying to do the pve side just to PvP. Yet no fucking map. The line for me has been the no news, roadmap for the year starting half way through the year and to top it off they say no opr map but “we have something better for the pvp’ers, but we can’t say” SOMETHING? Just fucking tell us. They don’t care, they are banking on console to reboot their game.
Sad. Bought this game last week without checking the state of the game. I was having fun but I guess I guess I will just stop playing NW as early as possible. I don't want to invest my time to a game that is dying. "NW is dying" vids now keeps popping up on my youtube algorithm. lol
New World PvP is DEAD. It was fun while it lasted. But the Devs neglected us PvP Players and honestly don't give a crap about PvP. Btw, check out the game "Once Human". It's a badass game!
@@DeityVengy They just released Beta 3 testing. It’s going to be out for the next 45 days. The PvP is amazing, High Risk, High Reward meaning you kill someone and you’re able to get their BIS gear/weapon when they die. Or if you die, you’re able to lose your BIS gear/weapon. Makes PvP so much more interesting. No one is safe lol
they think because I farmed some artifacts and gear from dungeons which I didn't enjoy playing at all it was all for one of my pvp sets, in their opnion I'm a pve player. so mad for the thousands hours I wasted on this game when they said most of our players are pve players, where are they now? don't the game have like 100s of expeditions? why the game is dead then!
Curandeiros quase imortais! E q deixam players imortais ! Putz sem eles seria muito melhor! Já tive muitos duelos atrapalhados por eles e isso e frustante se sentir injustiçado 😢
PVP was the only thing keeping this game on life support.
I salute you friend, thanks for staying with the PVP crew for this long. Maybe we will ride again in a different PVP setting some other time.
It annoys me so much when the devs say the data shows there's more pve players.
But just look at the amount of resources they put into pve and the result of NWs current state. If they put half that effort into pvp the game would be in a much better place and the data would show more pvp players.
It seems like they have an inability to draw information out of the data, no sense of context.
theres multiples signs showing that their data is simply flawed. I genuinely believe they think there's way more PvPer's than PvErs because PvPer's do PvE to get gear lol
nicely put, yeah exactly! No context.
the data is always going to show more PVEers because every PVPer has to PVE, so its counting both groups. its just broken
That's why in every war it always the same ppl, same alts? Oh yeah pvp is alive and well but it's really only the same 300 ppl in game fighting every war? LOL
@@D.Snutts yes because only wars represent the active pvp playerbase right? 💀
As a pvp player, I agreed 100% with everything you said. I don't understand why AGS left pvp so neglected. I play a lot of OPR and the situation is terrible since already 3 years: rewards are useless, matchmaking is disgusting, matches ends with scores of 1000 vs 100 the 90% of the times, weapons, armors etc always unbalanced (there is always a meta that is stronger, like the ranger meta with muskets that took one year till they finally changed), etc. After 3 years AGS did the minimum of the minimum for pvp and for me is incomprehensible.
I just got into the game and I'm enjoying it (Obviously, in early stages so far) but I really hope it doesn't die and they improve!
You missed a major problem with New World's PvP, at least, from a more casual perspective: range damage. It makes causal PvP, like OPR, nearly impossible for new players, particularly new melee players, especially if they play solo. They will try it a few times, get destroyed before they know what happens, and never play again. You can dismiss this comment as someone being biased or a skill issue or something, but after like 2k hours on the musket and 2k hours on melee, I sincerely don't see how any new melee player would stick with new world. It's really all about that fun vs not fun issue when you were taking about healers in your video. Excessive range damage causes the same problem and I'm pretty sure NW lost A LOT of players because of it. You made some other valid points, though.
I don't see your point. A new ranged player will always be more squishy than a new melee player and face the same problem or worse. Making this a melee only problem tells me that you are definitely biased. It's a new player problem.
Disagree it's a lot easier to learn the game as melee than as a range player and be good at it.
@@fooojin Melee builds do not innately have any more health or mitigation than range builds. What makes melee so difficult, especially for new players, is that you have to ALWAYS be in a position of risk to deal damage because you need to be standing next to the target to deal damage. When you play range, you can shoot from a safe distance and run whenever a threat gets close. I agree that new players will get destroyed in PvP regardless of whether they are playing range or melee. However, the new melee player will die before they even hit anyone where as the range player will be able to at least deal some damage and maybe even get some kills. The new melee player isn't getting many kills for a long time.
@fooojin Ranged is OP. I've played with both. FS is literally the most broken weapon in the game. All ranged players need to do is keep distance. If you're bad at that, use rapier to get outta there lol
lol the people talking shit doesn't know how good of a player kippp is. He's making a good point, not popular one since there are so many ranged players, for obvious reasons.
An intelligent and experienced review. I totally agree with this. Community players nerf items they hate by trashing them. Then it becomes entirely in their interest. A smart mmorg producer should definitely not take these into consideration. These should be examined but not taken into account. Because while this will be good for one side, it will be bad for the other side. New World production definitely cannot achieve the balance. I agree 100% with you that there are groups of people and leaders that influence GMs. I've been playing mmorg for years and I'm a top level PvP player. I agree with what you say, it's a completely beautiful and intelligent, informed review.
Had a solid time playing this game with my wife and we mainly did pvp we loved the feel and understanding the deeper learning curve pvp had to offer other that left clicking and abilities. I hope they sell this game off to some indie company mod this and rerelease it.
Yup nail on the head… that was my Reddit post about healing too lol. I’ve made discord posts years ago about healing and got ridiculed and harrassed that even turned into dms. I was a cos kill leader when it was the best pvp server but somehow I still have a skill issue. Literally disabling lifestaff in PvP would actually alone keep pvp alive.
Agree on the shirking heals take, except, for me it was more like, i saw it was overpowered at once, and started grinding items, but i didnt have enough time to play being a new dad. Once i spent my valuble free time and finally got the gear, it was already nerfed, and i did not want to start over. I made i build now where it still works ok, so i play a little, but feel no motivation to invest much time anymore, as i cant play enough to keep up with the fast changing metas. Also the blatant ignoring of the need for more pvp modes from devs feels like they spit us pvpers in the face.
They completely squandered the hype and resurgence the expansion brought. They handled it so poorly that even if they come out with an expansion in the future it will be hamstrung by the way they handled Rise. I’d go so far as to say it hurts their credibility with future endeavors like their LoTR MMO. I guarantee they didn’t earn themselves any leeway with the gaming community and the first time that game has issues or bugs or content questions people will point to their track record with NW.
You can have a rough start when releasing a game but if you stick to it, make right decisions and show that you’re at least invested in something people have spent their time and money on then you’ll rebuild faith and support. If you squander people’s time and money and end in a fizzle instead of a bang it follows you for all future projects.
Just look at No Mans Sky and all the hype behind their new project. The community as a whole has pretty much forgiven them because they took the right steps to make amends. With NW you feel like the jilted lover who stuck through all the crap only to be left with more crap as they move on to their new lover…
It’s all made sadder because of the unrealized potential. The mishandling of a great game will always piss off the player base that knows what it could be in the hands of a better studio. I’ve enjoyed my time in NW but I’m also not naive to the fact that I’ve been afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome. I held out for hope of a New World fully realized but it appears that will never materialize and so my time in Aeternum will forever be tainted bittersweet…
-R3ckoning, El Dorado
well said. hope we'll reunite in another game :/
The sun has set on Aeturnum. Rise now Middle Earth. SoonTM
Good video dude! Its so sad to see the direction this game has gone
The slow update time for simple bug fixes really killed this game for me
Posting some of this few weeks back got me banned from the official Discord. To be frank I did not use "dreamers" but called them simps 🤣
over 3k hours in this game, chased every meta, played every role. ran a guild that held territory and all I can say is this is the longest beta I have ever played.
3:03 looks really beautiful, Damn. Thankyou for your honest feedback you've really helped me, I just hope there is a new game or something to take it's place, these types of games need mods hehe,. Cheers man
I can't say anything else than that I agree with you 100%. Thanks for expressing our thoughts so well, we'll see each other in another trash mmo pvping.
As a PVE player I disagree with your take at the end. There WERE way more PVE players than PVP players but the problem is AGS is unbelievably incompetent at designing PVE fights & experiences and has managed to drive them away.
A few notable examples:
- The investment cost to top tier PVE is prohibitive. Let's take Starstone M3 as an example. Not only do you need a 695+ gear set filled with the correct gems to mitigate against that week's element but also: powerful honing stone, the best attribute food, coating potions for both Ancient and Lost monsters, ward potions for both Ancient and Lost monsters. Some expeditions you need to bring extra gear to handle some bullshit (e.g. a void amulet for the dog boss in Depths)
- The telegraphing of moves is horrible to nonexistent and a lot of bosses do AoE BEHIND THEM when it makes no sense for that to happen. The most obvious example is the elbow of doom by Captain Thorpe where he looks at the tank, draws his sword arm back preparing to attack him and IN THAT MOTION does an AOE attack behind him that can 1-shot dpses at 100 con in M3. There's no windup, no visual cues to indicate an AoE and the movement looks very much like other attacks he does with the sword. Other bosses like Gardenkeeper in Genesis just randomly decide to instantly turn around and throw a 1-shot AOE wave your way and the reason it 1-shots you is because it does NOT respect the the mutation rule that claims 50% of all damage should be converted into that week's element.
- Ranged weapons have always been and still are shit in mutations. Now ok, maybe at a couple of boss fights they do alright but everywhere else in that dungeon it feels like you're missing 1 dps.
- The transition from the M10 system to the M3 system has resulted in massively less engagement with highest difficulty content by players. They made M1 and M2 so ridiculously easy that you don't even need to use potions and can cheese most of the mechanics and then you get to M3 where suddenly a bunch of stuff can 1-shot you if you're not careful and where ignoring mechanics is not an option, except now players have not learned those skills in lower tiers and cannot adapt. Consequently, they fail a bunch of times, get frustrated and they stop trying.
- Cross-server rankings have mostly killed leaderboard competition. Before, I could see the top players on my server, group up with them and beat their previous scores, there was a thriving community around rankings for a good while after it was first released. Now, if you're not on either Nysa or maybe a couple of other servers you might as well be pissing in the wind.
- Speed running in its current form is a cancer. People basically run through and avoid fighting, bug abuse and skip objectives and mechanics as much as possible to get to the end in a ridiculously low time. You can avoid most of the mobs, you don't need to kill all the elites, you can even suicide to distract packs, etc. You do it 20-30 times in a row mostly wasting those dungeon entries and on ONE try you manage to get over 50K points and THAT is your winning attempt.
Real time PVP at it's best, you could really feel how you got better at this game when practicing and gearing up, from zero to top tier guild, I sometimes hated it but will miss it. :D Nice videos all along man.
New World PVP experience for a newbie :
Launch OPR as a melee, matches against 15 range weapons, gets killed by random arrows spammers when arriving at Sun, respawn rush back to Sun, get caught up by a light assassins SNS on the way, get killed, respawn at moon/star because of spawn, try to defend his base gets sniped by fireballs/musket/bows and dies, respawn and try to play more carefull, door broke, he was playing way back but he couldnt escape the 15 range spammers through gate mini aoes and die again, respawn at base because spawn broke, get out of the spawn and get caught by a musket/bow premade with a healer, dies in 4s, leave and go back farming nodes at myrk
Range weapons killed OPR, killed arenas, killed open world. The only safe heaven for melees are wars, which is hard gated. So you only have range DPS NPCs playing these gamemodes. And game dies because you need melee players
Are you daydreaming ? Arenas are FULL of melee cause it's by far the most OP. Except if you're REALLY skilled, you will never survive the endless CC builds based on lance, or the other GS builds that just rushes you and spamm until you either manage to escape, or they killed you
Just tag arenas and count the number of melee players vs ranged.
@@raidden-1583 dont bother with him. he's the type of people i'm referring to at 5:30 but I don't blame him and SOME of his feelings are valid. All they had to do was have matchmaking for OPR based on role to solve the whole melee vs ranged argument. AGS couldn't even do that.
@@raidden-1583 Im talking specificaly opr here, kid. Arenas, healers are the worst offender. Melees can manage range players, at least in the lastest arena map. But in OPR if you think im wrong you are delusional.
Opr is the most played pvp content, and every melee players i knew/know hate it because of the range NPCs. As Deity said, a matchmaking system would have done the trick. It should have been here on release, not 3 years after
@@DeityVengy indeed my feelings are valid, same as the hundreds of melee players i know that left nw or stop playing oprs to war log specificaly because of the range dps NPCs. Im not saying its the only issue, dont get me started on healers in arenas and open world, doors in opr, wars being gated by absolute donkeys or no pvp content updates.
@@bonbarmandrink "Range weapons killed OPR, killed arenas, killed open world" You might want to rephrase then, "kid".
Good video i will still watch you after new world or if it picks up again.
It was fun fighting you in arena. -Cutter
ty man! hope to see you again one day :D
The healing in this game is the worst thing in it's existence. Thanks for actually saying it as it is. It is a tab target class in an action combat mmo.. IDK how that even got passed the design process.
My first MMO game was New world before I used to play SnD call of modern 2019 as I had no interest in MMO my friend told me try it he even give me money for it I try for few week I love it so much that I uninstall call of duty farm trophy daily 4 hour sometime even 13 hour for gear my main weapon was bow play OPR 7 hour a day for months and slowly OPR stop poping I quit for couple of months I came back as I had hope for seeing more pvp player it was still same I quit forever
I love it back when windsward as fill with player for war that’s was the best moment which I will probably remember forever
It was a good run. Still miss playing it, but you summed it up: bugs last too long and "balancing" is far to aggressive. Can't build a community when some bugs outlast entire servers.
Good vid brother! NW was a good ride! And I see that the community is still thirsty for NW content. Probably more people watching stuff about NW than actually playing the game.
Lol, 17:20 + my thoughts exactly dude. Im working in gamedev and once I was arguing with my friends from work about the topic. Unfortunately they seemed to think that there is pvp in almost every game nowadays and that they didn't like it. When I asked them to give me an example of open world PVP game, they only shared ones in which there were arenas or there was pvp in the past, but it was almost entirely removed from the game along the years. Man, only MMO game that I can think of that had working not pay to win open world PVP that also wasn't hidden behind months of pve was Lineage 2. People were literally pvping just after creating the character. You could murder anyone in that game. I heard that it was okay in early wow aswell but unfortunately I haven't experienced that.
ask them - do they like PVE addons and system:
Damage Meter/Mythic+ Scoring System (WOW)/addon WCL Ranking Tooltip?
if no,
then just by looking at their faces, you can tell they're losers who love non competitive PvE ;)
If exams are not mandatory for admission now, then I’m not surprised where people have such a psychology. just pay :)
did you play MMO:
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008) - RvR = Realm vs Realm
Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures (2008) - open pvp
@@user-kg8id At the moment i don't recall these games past the title, thank you for recommendation tho, ill check it out. At the moment I went back to L2 private server Reborn for last couple months, but it's game from 2003 so it might not be up to taste of many people.
From an MMO player perspective(also largely PvP) the game just needs more to do in every aspect of the game. AGS Should look to Elder Scrolls for some ideas, the mini games, the PvP modes, theres so much to offer for every type of player. Even if PvP is 'dead' in ESO, at least theres a real area for factions to fight. I really would like NW to be a blend of itself, ESO, and DAoC. But that's just me.
Steam has total players at 8k. That is a 99% loss. Can't get much worse before the pin gets pulled.
They should do what GW2 Build system for Arena and OPR loadout equipment and skill/stats build, stand separately to OpenWorld/PvE. New player can enjoy build making even though they still low level or not have lot of gold. I like PvP in NW but good God, I really hate PvE in NW
Very good video. Looking forward to the next game we can PvP on together 🤝
ayy ty man! we we will reunite soonTM
@@DeityVengy SoonTM brother. It is interesting to see new world having similar issues to BDO. You bring up a good point, if they fixed a lot of those early problems they could have kept the BDO guys who tried out the game.
New World has a lot of problems, but in my opinion the new movement feels good. I do like the new tilt zoom out when the camera is pointing down. I mainly play wars ( 5 characters ) different servers and region. I think what really fuck the game up from the start was the servers. The crazy amount of desync and just abilities not connecting made a lot of people quit the game. Let's also not forget how hard it is for new players to gear up for PvP. It cost a lot of gold and now you get time gated with name item upgrades. For people in big companies, it's easy. You get help either with rolls, mats or gold from your payouts.
Artifacts should change how abilities interact/work. Scorpion's Sting is a good example of that. One game that I love and play on the side since release and changes how abilities/skills work its PoE. They could do something similar to that with the current gems. For example, if you have an ice gem on a hammer. It should add a trail of frost for abilities such as path of destiny. It sucks because I love the game, but with new games coming out and new dlc for other games..... that might be the end of new world. The next update needs to be big, but we all know it might just be console release lol.
About 2 years ago I wrote a post on the New World Subreddit about that the Devs should stop listening to player feedback, and instead make the game that they want to make themselves and I got a ton of shit over that. But I knew I was right back then and now I'm even more certain that I was right. Why the hell should devs even listen to people who already stopped playing in the first place? There should be a feedback page inside of the game where people who do actively play can submit their feedback (that way the devs also have player data on playtime and all other sorts of things) instead of random redditors who didn't even get past lvl 40 most likely.
I disagre with you about the new movemen't though. I think its better then what we used to have. I always felt it was weird that New World was always controlling like a 1st person shooter and not like an action RPG game (Like Elden Ring), but at least now it at least moves like one. Though it's so sluggish and non fluid which I think is because they haven't animated any transition between animations. An example being that in Elden Ring theres an animation connecting everything all the time like you running into an attack, that movement has an specific animation which is unique to pretty much every weapon. But in New World they forgot about this and instead your character starts sliding which looks stupid, causes more desync issues (at least visually) and just makes movement worse in general. New World also doesn't have any micro movement like elden ring does which combined with the previous issue makes combat very static. Especially for melee where in an 1v1 theres just 2 people left clicking each others wating to dodge enemy CC abilities and then waiting for their own CDs to come back. Compared to Elden Ring where spacing and timing is a huge factor which adds a lot of tactical strategy to fights. A bit of a tangent sorry but I hope you find it interesting at least.
Lastly I wanna say that I agree with healers being stupid, like you say it would be more fun without them and the very least, just as you said, it shouldn't be tab targeting when nothing else is.
Oh and I almost forgot once again you're so right New World PvE Is completely brain dead activity. Which is also more fun without a healer and also without a tank, but even then its stupid and desync is the only thing which will kill you, or an overwhelming amount of dmg/one shot mechanics which can't all be dodged. Like theres even better PvE encounters and bosses especially in school projects and souls like fangames & mods. So I dont get how AGS can't hire any staff which has any idea how to make good pve enemy encounters and designs.
If I wasnt lucky enough to have gotten into the war community, I would have quit 3000 hours ago. Can't play more than 2 OPRs in a row without wanting to uninstall the game. Whether it be crashing out of OPR and getting quitters penalty banned for 1hr, playing in an opr with 0 balance (4 healers on 1 team, 0 on the other), or going 100 tracks deep without hitting the artifact you want. Game is just shit for PVP and it astonishes me how ignorant they are to the community.
They add 1 expedition every update that gives maybe 3 hours of new content while you figure out all the 1 shot mechanics. After that the entire season's content is done. If they added a new opr map, cross world 3v3s, practice wars, etc- that would give months or years of pvp replay-ability but they are just too blind to see that (and also- most of the tech for that stuff is already there, it just takes a bit of effort and probably less effort than it takes to make a new dungeon). Also, the one actually interesting PvE mode is the sandwurm, and they made it absolutely pointless because they can't dedicate 1 developer to do 1 day of work to update the loottable. Shits mind blowing. Sometimes it feels like they are intentionally sabotaging their own game.
Only due to wars, I will be hardstuck on this game until either some IRL stuff happens to me or the game actually shuts down. I've accepted that I will be on the ship as it sinks and while fixing this game could maybe take maximum 2-3 months of work I am past believing in this dev team to do it. I don't blame anyone for quitting, however on the very rare off chance AGS decide to turn their brains on, this game could still come back.
In the new forged video the devs even said new world was pve centered. I don’t agree. I like the pvp and feel forced to have to pve to get artifacts and then level them. Currently I’m doing this on my alt. The reason I stay around is my fellow company members. We still have fun doing races and opr. You are spot on. I truly wonder if the data shows high pve only because the pvp is so run down.
yup, this solidified it. im taking break. i deserve better
I came back for xpac and now quitting for a lot of the reasons you went through.
Gear is much easier to get, but still don't want my whole suit to be made obsolete from an AGS whim. Metas should be allowed to run naturally.
Not always agreed with you in the past, but definitely nailed it with this one. And there are obviously a bunch of additional issues you couldn't even touch on here as that would probably be out of scope for a 20 minute video. Overall really sad to see the game go down like this, but with this incredibly incompetent dev team it was only a matter of time. Time to move on.
I think someone made a 50 minute video the other day haha. there's so many issues and at a certain point it just catches up to all of us
This is what New World needs (being saying since Alpha):
- Whole World needs to be PvP zone.
- Needs world bosses that will drop exclusive Items (long respawn... like 10-20 hours window)
- Drops need to be universal (exemple: Boss will drop the item on the floor, only 1 person will get it - goes to party that makes more damage)
This way you will have parties in the world, looking for bosses to kill and get the items, you will have big pvp, parties fighting for the bosses. Alliances, deciding who will keep the items, etc.
(if you thinking "just like Lineage2", you are right, thats the best World System ever made, specially the pvp/pk system).
Also: Ranked PvP (obviously), I can´t believe that wasnt in the game since day one.
I probably wouldnt have played new world for 3k hours if the whole world was pvp
While I agree with your overall message I feel this is very biased opinion towards PvP. I do not think the game is dead solely on PvP'ers leaving. But yeah. That last nail is coming.
I think it's dead because the PvE'ers and PvPer's left. The PvEr's left for obvious reasons but the PvPers usually stick around in games like this. It's when PvPer's actually leave that the game finally dies imo
Makes me so sad how mismanaged this game is...pvp in New World is so much fun and these devs just think systems reworks/controller support are more important than giving people actual content to play. Chest runs and 1 new expedition a year with the only pvp addition being arena which they nerfed they loot into oblivion is just mindblowing. One of the biggest gaming fumbles i've ever witnessed
The problem was they never really listen to the people who main PVP. In alpha pvp was way more complex then they mad combat easier for the more casual PVE player base due to complaining. They also never really developed weapons and Armor for PVP. I love games that make PVP sets that you earn through PVP I hate having to grind gold to fight people.
Sadly new world has failed on every perspective
About new movement system,this was made for controllers
And I highly agree that player in for example in elden ring
With controller will obliterate player on mouse and keyboard
With free camera
gw2 numbers are only from steam, don't compare it with NW numbers.
that's why I put reddit active numbers too. new world had 800-1.2k active active on reddit when the pop was at 50-70k. if guild wars 2 has 400-700 active, then signs show the game is probably sitting at around 30-40k concurrent on average
there is 0 correlation between reddit numbers and the actual game active players. Gw2 reddit is full with cry baby players and by no means represent the game population.
@@XBPReginleif there is definitely a correlation but okay. let's use twitch average viewers instead over the past 7 days. new world and guild wars 2 are both at 700 and I'd say they definitely have similar pop rn as I've heard guild wars 2 isn't doing too well.
new world during latest expansion release was at 14k average and dropped to 3k. guild wars 2's all time average peak was 3.5k. so new world definitely outnumbered or had very similar population to guild wars 2 for the majority of it's life
ok, but gw2 is a 2012 game and new world is a very new game with better graphics, of course is gonna have better views, but is not even near to have the pops gw2 have.@@DeityVengy
@@XBPReginleif my dude we are comparing trash to trash it doesn't really matter. both guild wars 2 and new world are under 100k peak concurrent thats for sure. new world felt alive at 50-70k and guild wars 2 feels alive at any number. ffxiv came out in 2010 and ugly graphically and it still has 5k viewers on twitch
This is why I do NOT LIKE games that try to do PvP and PvE. Balance issues are made 100 times worse. What works for one doesn't work in the other. I'm also sick and tired of being forced to do PvP to get certain Artifacts. So when I go into PvP, I don't care if I win or lose, just as long as I get my XP's so I can get my Artifact. I'm sure all you PvPers love that. So complain to AGS for me because it's just dragging down your game.
i actually agree with everything u said.. its sad.. been playing NW since day 1. but have logged in twice now, in the last month..
I play both PvE and PvP. However I agree with you 100%. New World had at time an awesome PvP and a terrible PvE. When the devs stated that players are PvE centric it made me realize how out of touch they were to their own game. That statement was the nail in the coffin. They revealed that they did not care for the PvP content and it was evident in every expansion and every update. So if the believe the PvE was the route they want to continuously chase, then for me I was out. Elden Ring is a game that has both great PvE and PvP with 10X the concurrent players just having fun nonstop without live services and a cash shop. I can not understand with all the resources in the world why they haven’t figured it out. What I’ve concluded is that the devs are not gamers. They are just programmers and artists that are just trying to make a living. They have no vision or passion for the game they’ve made nor are they playing it. So it is time to move on.
You are 100% correct on every point.
The guy you was screen watching at the end, said it best, i would use that in my intro on my channel if it was ok with him😮😂
im sure he'd be fine with it haha. that was a very popular clip when that happened
People really don't realize that the devs working on new world do not have any experience with mmo's not a single dev. Look at scott lanes imdb page and you will ask yourself how the fuck is he the lead on new world.
thank you vengy, in some sense i was thinking ags dosnt even derserve a video like this , they shouldnt even know why they get to fail , when it was in front of their face the whole time and they deciced to go for the money bag and not focus on the core of the game. ill miss yall 4 months new world free, better for it , but ohh mannn i fucking loved this game for a long time and i had so much fun playing with yall. my question to everybody , would you play lotr mmo in the future knowing this dev team made it ? i wouldnt want too, im too jaded at this point but well see
I would 100% still play it if it's good tbh. that's all that really matters to me. just gotta be cautious
I will, but after 3-6 months after release :)
healers and op perks like stamina recovery make any sort of pvp scenario completely arbitrary, they promote bad gameplay decisions and bail out big mistakes in positining, cooldown management and stamia management. if they got removed, so many supposedly good players would get reality checked hard.
meh... its still too early to tell. they've been focusing on long-term goals (new coding, console release, cross-server features, new MSQ, possibly releasing on game pass, etc.) AND they're adding the new pvp mode (supposedly pretty huge) in June, whatever that may be. If no one comes back and june announcement is a flop, then the game will officially have failed. but i have a feeling lots of new players and returning players will come back. ad maybe this time, AGS will start adding more end game content now that they have a better foundation
I really liked the game but stopped playing once heavy armor heal got executed in one swing because I could at least change up the build a little bit.
My second reason was my main weapon (Life Staff) was braindead. Every build was the same 3 skills and this orb/aoe mechanic was boring. Every time I miss NW I just think of it and suddenly I don't care anymore.
You nailed it all the way into NW's coffin there brother.
I could do nothing but *facepalm* when I saw their podcast claiming 5 PVE : 1 PVP player.... yeah - after you lost 1million PVP players and now only have 5-10k PVE players left...
GJ gaslighting yourselves AGS. You could have EASILY had a genre-defining WIN of a game here.....if you would have stuck with the game you promised all of us from the beginning.
You know - the reason we all pre-ordered it in alpha and beta - when it was a full PVP game....
PVE items locked into a PVP track, and now Season 5, and the Artifact track is now setup to have a chance at every 10 levels for an artifact to show up. Guess what.. I played 30 tracks and not a single artifact showed up. AGS's answer is to lock powerful PVE artifacts behind a PVP track. A lot of people, PVE players, hate PVP! I said F this, I'm out. My friends are out as well. AGS is a failed game developer, and they need to give up now. They suck at it.
One of the most imaginative game ran by people with no imagination
I love New World, as many of you still watching videos like this do. There was a time when I thought NW might have it's No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk 2077 moment, and make a huge comeback. After watching how things have played out over the last few years, I no longer have that hope. I'm sure the dev team has some amazing and very talented people in it, but it's obvious to anyone following the game for a long time that there are very serious issues in AGS's leadership team. And, I don't think that is going to change. The people with the power to make the changes needed have zero idea what it's like to be a player of the very game they are responsible for, full stop.
such a shame. the core mechanics behind the combat in this game gave it so much potential to be great. Christoph Hartmann is VP at AGS and is known for publishing bioshock 1 & borderlands, both that would for incorporating a multiplayer mode, but never did. Scot Lane, New World's game director, is known for developing fallout. Another game with no pvp that would have thrived from a multiplayer mode. At the end of the day, it's not their fault that pvp and thus New World as a whole failed. It's whoever hired them. I'm not going to call a plumber to fix my car, why would you call these pve dorks in to create a game that was initially released as pvp focused
Im playing new world again because idk what else to play 😢😢😢
same here homie just play what you enjoy
Samedi boat mate
Same*
Im a pve player and I absolutely hate doing pvp (for my artifact for example). I just don't like playing in unbalanced oprs with healers and sweaty tryhards trying to abuse each and every window of opportunity avalible to be broken. Say what you want but it is much worse to play opr shit without a pvp set against tryhards, just so you have a chance that the item you want will appear in checkpoint 3. My heart melts when a pvp player will have to spend like what 1000 gold? not even? on gems to do a couple of 15-20min mutations against easy AI enemies so they can get their artifact.
Because of pvp is why you have what you have.
how would new world be different if it didnt have any pvp at all? it would have 10 more expeditions and 1 more raid. guess what? it would be dead and bad because the pve in this game is bad. i sum it up perfectly at 15:20
I have 4k hours on new world. I am probably mid/lower mid pvper even though my all my time has been put into pvp. I wont get into the crafting issues of PVP.
He is 1000% right about state of new world. On top of that range is OP as F. The range mains may disagree with me but I will die on my hill. Goofy shit like he said is true. he complains about healer mains but range abuses this more than anyone. You must have a 4-5 man cop loaded with WH. And a complete Bow/rapier player will dodge them all.. On top of that, they have AOE, Single dps targeting. And you cannot do shit
PvP feels horrible right now. Everything is crazy desynced again, shots not connecting, arrows Go to a different direction then you aim, movement feels clunky, weapons dont Switch a Lot of times. Idk IT feels Like a Alpha or Beta gameplay
Deity, thank you for the vid, a good take. Also, thanks for your other videos supporting and promoting the pvp aspects of New World. I'm not 100% giving up yet, though. Only because I have no other pvp game I enjoy right now, and I just may be a fool, haha. Btw, love and hate you in game. I'm proud to say I killed you once in height of op S.H, with the help of another of course...I have a feeling I'll see you again on El Dorado.
I hope so man! if u see me again on El Dorado then that means the devs have proved me wrong, and I'll gladly be proven wrong :D
Don't worry I'll save new world
thank you sir
I don’t think New World was ever going to be a top MMO. PvP in MMOs is wacky, and to most players unobtainable because of the time commitment to get yourself on an even playing field, let alone practice and improve once there. New World is what it is. It was never going to be anything more. There is still a lot to like in the game.
can u share the 1:57 flail build pls
You still play 😂
Man, AGS neglecting PvP is a stupid thing to do. I was one of the few players who disagreed with the game's PvP on/off feature. I mean the concept of 3 factions fighting for glory is super cool ( I used to love an old Korean MMO with something similar to this concept) but they basically kill the PvP using the on/off feature.
AGS did the same mistake like Funcom
Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures (2008)
1 200 000 online
$11 subscribe per month
You have to pve in order to pvp. So the data is skewed entirely.
im the one who invested all my first inductors into shirking heals builds just to quit.
i dont know if you ever heard about the game dragon nest but that game had some of the best pvp system ever, especially 1vs1 i played that game 24/7 mostly 1vs1 pvp, it was an mmo but kinda instanced. one of the best things besides the amazing combat in pvp was that you could not use any pots in pvp, but your hp pool was pretty big. in my oppinion you should never be able to use pots in pvp in any mmo, just increase the hp to like 30-50k or whatever but once your dead your dead. this would make any pvp encounter so much more fun, i just dont like pots at all or armor that regenerates your hp even worse its just stupid in my oppinion.
did you play MMO:
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008) - RvR = Realm vs Realm
Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures (2008) - open pvp
Proud to say I've never made a shirking heals set and still play the game. 💀
yes but you and your friends get completely farmed by me and you cry about it in discord/youtube. you're miserable LOL
@@DeityVengy great video!
I agree with a lot of what you say in this video, but...
Only taking feedback and balancing around "high skill" PvPers would make a garbage game (only high skill PvPers would play and it would be DoA).
No healers in PvP would just make everyone run ranged light armor builds (even more so than they do already if that is possible). If you think PvP is less fun with healers then you haven't played a bruiser.
Lack of end game (for PvP and PvE) is the single biggest reason this game is dying. There are a lot of other smaller things (a lot of what you mentioned) as well. I hope they can turn it around.
well we see the result of taking feedback from everyone, and it obviously isn't working. and I'm not saying remove healers and keep the game as is. remove healers and then balance the game around that. tons of games I've played have no healers and it works very well
Guild Wars 2 and BDO are realistically not PvP mmos. Also both of these games have large amount or even majority of players that arent on steam. GW2 has probably way higher numbers than NW as total number of online players and BDO probably has quite a lot more as well. But maybe I just misunderstood your comparison to these MMOs at start.
if you base it on twitch and reddit numbers, both bdo and guild wars 2 have around 50-80k concurrent players daily. The entire point of bdo is to grind better gear so u can pvp. I honestly have never met someone that only does PvE in bdo besides lifeskillers
@@DeityVengy Yeah that is what it is supposed to be but devs decided to remove almost all incentive to grind gear for PvP. Being red is massive disadvantage, war declaration now has to be agreed on by both sides, node wars have bad changes (can be more specific its just what i mostly hear about node wars) and most people play with capped gear which is really easy to get. Only good recent uncapped PvP addition was Guild League which is uncapped GvG. PvP balance is secondary to PvE balance so classes are way too protected now so pvers can chain forward guards against mob dmg or superarmor against mob cc. Reality is devs just catered to players that like mindless grinding for dopamine of progressing your gear just for the sake of progressing. So this is what the playerbase is now. The amount of ticking buffs or buffs you loose on death that you feel forced to use while grinding has largely impacted people to become so anti open world pvp. Compared to years back when you popped a cheap food buff and pvped for spot half the time and actually grinded the rest.
And now its worse then ever, the desync and bugs that season 5 bring us... pvp is unplayable for me atm.. and they delayed it for quality.
and people said the new combat code would improve the game overall xD we all know it's gonna take a year for them to fix all the new bugs they introduced
Absolutely detailed all the reasons that caused me to quit playing towards the end of last year.
Even with all buges new world is one of the best mmos
not after their slayer script update. I would've been fine playing new world for years due to the amazing combat but they ruined it with slayer script
@@DeityVengy hopefully they will fix it soon
the main thing pushing me away from the game is about the desync the lag the game it makes me feel im playing under the water and some times my hits does not register and its not fun getting kill by someone because the desync i want to do PVP if i died at least i know someone was better not because my attack went through and did not do damage. by the way my CPU i7-13 Gen, GPU Nvidia 4090 and 32GB Ram and still with the problem lol
Thank you, for everything Deity
They can solve the dying status of the game by making it free on steam to get alot of new players. But i guess they are liking it dying
there is no way peace of sht new world is rivaling black desert online, your looking at steam numbers when everyone plays from official bdo client, bdo is growing while new world is going down the shitter.
don't get butthurt when I compare shit to shit. I compared new world when it was at 50-70k to bdo rn, which is very similar pop
10000000% with you on everything and especially the healers.
Failed when they nerfed ice spike and changed day 1 bow
fantastic video, nailed every point
so sad but i must agree with u, healers ruins the game!!
tho i still love the pvp and loging for some arena rounds. hopping for a miracle
A game with so much potential, but focused on all the wrong things. PvP always got the shaft too. I only speed run m3’s, and nothing else. They ruined the market also with the big update.
Shame, this was my favorite game of all time when it came out, it was so promising and the open world pvp was AMAZING
Why New World has failed on the PVP? Because range DPS weapons have been op forever and make leave the game any new pvpers. But at some points, the die-hards stop because there is only wars to do. OPRS/arenas/open world are range fiesta. Oh and also no content
So sad I stuck around this whole time hoping for some PvP love, at the very least a new opr map (the only real game mode I played) stuck the bug, bots, cheaters, desync, op as fuck weapons and armour perks while trying to do the pve side just to PvP. Yet no fucking map. The line for me has been the no news, roadmap for the year starting half way through the year and to top it off they say no opr map but “we have something better for the pvp’ers, but we can’t say” SOMETHING? Just fucking tell us.
They don’t care, they are banking on console to reboot their game.
Btw loved your new world content and your thoughts that spoke true. See ya round.
you gonna play No rest for the wicked?😃
yup! really excited for it :D
Sad. Bought this game last week without checking the state of the game. I was having fun but I guess I guess I will just stop playing NW as early as possible. I don't want to invest my time to a game that is dying. "NW is dying" vids now keeps popping up on my youtube algorithm. lol
Rivaling BDO and GW2…lost me there 😂😂😂
lets stop acting like any of these 3 mmos are relevant
Its quite simple, the gameplay simply isnt working properly and they dont know how to fix it
Great Video!!!! Agree 1000%
Well said, couldn't agree more.
New World PvP is DEAD. It was fun while it lasted. But the Devs neglected us PvP Players and honestly don't give a crap about PvP.
Btw, check out the game "Once Human". It's a badass game!
i've been following once human for awhile. can't wait for it to release! :D
@@DeityVengy They just released Beta 3 testing. It’s going to be out for the next 45 days. The PvP is amazing, High Risk, High Reward meaning you kill someone and you’re able to get their BIS gear/weapon when they die. Or if you die, you’re able to lose your BIS gear/weapon. Makes PvP so much more interesting. No one is safe lol
they think because I farmed some artifacts and gear from dungeons which I didn't enjoy playing at all it was all for one of my pvp sets, in their opnion I'm a pve player.
so mad for the thousands hours I wasted on this game when they said most of our players are pve players, where are they now? don't the game have like 100s of expeditions? why the game is dead then!
their "data" is just simply flawed unfortunately
Curandeiros quase imortais! E q deixam players imortais ! Putz sem eles seria muito melhor! Já tive muitos duelos atrapalhados por eles e isso e frustante se sentir injustiçado 😢
NW would be so much better without healers, plus the your pve idea without healers would be so much better as well but that is never happening hehe