Why We DON'T Teach Drawing Before Painting
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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Why We DON'T Teach Drawing Before Painting
Learn why we don't teach drawing before painting to get the fastest, most effective education for our students to reach pro level painting skills in just 1 year.
It's commonly believed that you should learn how to draw before learning how to paint. But is that really true? Master portraitist Kevin Murphy explains how you can learn painting faster by putting the pencil down and picking up the brush.
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Chapters:
0:00 Evolve used to teach drawing first
0:23 Evolve learns from its students
1:11 Drawing with a pencil vs a brush
1:32 Drawing is how you think
2:29 Teaching painting first is faster
4:34 When does Evolve teach drawing?
5:15 How Kevin decided to teach painting first
6:21 Drawing is still necessary
6:50 Your first painting on the 3rd exercise
8:00 Baby steps to mastery
I am a fairly new student in Evolve (3/4 through Block 1); I can HIGHLY recommend it! You experience success right away along with gently stretching what you are learning. Kudos to the folks that designed this program. The above video is a prime example of why this program is so different.
Thank you Laurie! ☺️ ~ Daniel
I had that idea that drawing was only with a pencil and it made me want to supplement my evolve education with drawing practice. But it honestly just cluttered my mind. There is a beauty in taking one class and instilling those lessons without the other noise. It’s not just about tools it’s also about observation and analysis
Well said! It’s easy to undervalue simplicity with so many things available right at our fingertips. But it can really make a significant difference in learning and even living well 🙂 ~ Daniel
A very inspirational video! I'm currently lost in my art education. I'd like to become a better painter, but I heard that I should learn how to draw with very precise measuring which I just can't get to enjoy, before learning to paint with shapes. This video showed me that I don't need to force myself to do what I don't enjoy and instead keep doing what works for me.
Your points about tools/media and grasping the concepts are well taken. If your chosen medium is paint, it just makes sense to grow your skills, knowledge and confidence using paint first, making it easier in turn for the brain and hands to transition to drawing with pencil/charcoal (or whatever tool).
Although I haven't painted or sketched in decades, I still use concepts learned back then and from Evolve YT videos (e.g., values, color, contrast, scale, edges) as applicable to counted cross stitch, crochet and beaded jewelry (no plans to use dirt as a medium as yet, though). 😄😉
Haha using dirt is fun, you should try it 😜 but really that is so awesome you’re applying these concepts to other mediums! Those fundamentals you edges apply to so many art forms, because they are the building blocks that make up everything we see! 😁 ~ Daniel
Amazing. I have been feeling this way as I am struggling to learn art myself. I have been practising bargues with graphite/charcoal trying to get better just so I can learn to paint. I am so glad you said this. No one else is talking about this.
Yeah, this is huge! There is a much faster way to learn how to paint, and it doesn't start with drawing. Have you looked into the Evolve program? The whole program is designed to get you to pro level painting skills in about 1 year's time. Here's our website if you haven't looked into yet 👉 bit.ly/go-to-site ~ Daniel
Excellent information.
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Thanks UA-cam. I was about to enroll in New Masters Academy, I think this is the better choice.
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3:10 I’d love to see Kevin drawing/painting with dirt! I experimented with painting with beet juice recently. :)
(My beet painting was abstract & very simple because I’m a newb.)
Beet juice? Sounds like a fun time! 😊~ Daniel
Wonderful video
I used to belong to the "must learn to draw with pencil first" school of thought, being a fairly young person (20s) but studying art seriously since my teens and self-learning in a fairly classical way. I think it was fine for me at the time because I had more patience. I think I did do the right thing; I became a hell of a draftsman out of it. But I still can't paint for shit. Not great when you're intending to be a professional. I lost years of potential progress not just learning to paint earlier, because painting has informed my drawing.
Now when I'm older and ironically less patient, as I have less free time and want to see things done YESTERDAY, not in 5, 10, 100 hours, I'm starting to think that starting with shape and volume might be more beneficial to most people than starting with line ESPECIALLY now with digital tools that allow very quick trial and error without anxiety-inducing material costs or unnecessary prep-time that takes away from the process of making marks.
Both should be introduced and experimented with; but there is no reason to go in them in a specific order and definitely there is no prerequisite for starting with line. I think they can probably be learned simultaneously in the modern digital era.
Honestly, the main reason charcoal/graphite was the beginner tool is because it's simply cheaper and more convenient than oil paints and the like. However I consider pencil an extremely advanced tool. It has pressure, tilt, speed and even angle sensitivity depending how you sharpened it, which all control shape, size and opacity. Beginners should not be preoccupied trying to juggle so many variables. It's why pen is often recommended, which is sound advice; but pen requires very delicate touch and you cannot correct the mark like you can with a more volume based approach.
Thanks for sharing this Arch! Really neat to hear your perspective and how it's changed through experience.
We certainly don't "condemn" any program that decides to start in drawing - we still believe drawing is necessary of course. As Kevin says in the video, we've simply found that we can teach the fundamentals more quickly and effectively by starting with value and edge (using a volume-based approach), and then teach proportional drawing from life. Once they get a handle on drawing from life we move them into making painting studies from life, integrating drawing and values and edges all together so that the skills can be developed "simultaneously" like you mentioned. Thanks for your input Arch! 🙂 ~ Daniel
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This video came at great timing for me. I’m a self taught artist and have been buying drawing book after drawing book waiting for the point when I finally feel god enough at drawing to start learning to paint. But really how good at drawing do you really have to be in order to begin to paint?? Thank you for this video I will definitely b checking out your program.
That's awesome! Yep I would say you don't have to be good at drawing at all to begin learning painting! Glad this was encouraging and helpful! 😊 ~ Daniel
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I really want to start evolve ! I love to sketch and paint but I wonder if it’s a waste of money since I don’t plan on making a career out of it but it is something I love to do. I also wonder since I always sketch and paint off of reference does that make me a true artist since I don’t come up with my own stuff?
Hey Cheyenne! Actually the majority of our students are hobbyists and are simply enjoying painting without pursuing a career. So you would be in good company. Being a true artist has nothing to do with whether you come up with your own stuff or use references to make paintings. Most professional artists actually use references as much as they can to deliver quality paintings more efficiently.
So don’t let those things hold you back from joining! Simply ask yourself if you can commit the time to make the program worth your while. If you have more questions just reach out to me. You can send me an email through hello@evolveartist.com - just mention my name and ask to talk 🙂 ~ Daniel
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I am on block 1 lesson 13 and because of my schedule its taking me almost a year.
Paint what kind of paint should I get and brushes. What kind of paint canves
Who knew Steve-O was quite the Renaissance Man.
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I once saw a video about atelier, where she said she spend 40 hours shading a sphere in pencil. Forty. Hours. There is NO WAY in which that makes any sense.
Tradition “justifies” it, but it can get in the way of efficient learning 👍 ~ Daniel
Amazing 😍
I think they used charcoal in the past because paint was too hard to get and have.
Until graphite was discovered and a new focus was created.
If paint was cheap back then, my guess is they would have taught in paint.
Just a theory tho on my part.
Great point Kristoffer! Sounds like a reasonable explanation 🙂 ~ Daniel
I have thought the same thing myself. The funny thing is, if thats true, then all of the modern ateliers are simply following tradition for no good reason. I have asked this question to someone who has taught at one of these ateliers and they couldn’t/didn’t answer the question.
Agreed. My hypothesis as well.
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Drawing is black and white, painting is colors, thats it!
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