Kaleidoscope or Black Grail? - FGO 5* CE Pick Ticket Tier List
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
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Which one are you guys picking?
Black grail so that I can MLB it.
Black grail so that i can MLB it. (2)
Black grail so that I can MLB it. (3)
Black grail so that I can MLB it. (4)
Black grail so that I can MLB it. (5)
PSA - Roll the GSSR and whatever anniversary rolls you want to do before picking your CE. That way, if you end up getting the CE you were going to pick in the gacha, you can adjust your choice.
Nice to know, since my Kscope & Volumen are 1 copy away from MLB, though Castoria makes me favour Volumen more.
@@RockOrso2Volumem MLB is virtually useless, it's genuinely better to keep them separated
Exactly this. Especially if you are a fairly new player.
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As an OG Quick guy, I will say that Imaginary Around was amazing for the early Quick stars.
The best Quick Servants were one's who had amazing Quick cards both for np refund and crit star generation. These were Servants like Jack and Okita. They wanted to hit their Quick cards and get into a continual loop of crits and NPs.
One issue however was that their kits only had a 1 turn Quick Mana burst meaning by themselves, they had no card steroids for any turn but the one they popped their's on.
This meant outside of crits and NPs, these Servants had no real damage buff. Okita had a crit damage boost, but Jack had zero steroids outside of her Mana Burst.
Imaginary Around was incredible because it boosted their damage, giving them consistent access to a steriod they otherwise wouldn't have and improved their consistency because it buffed their star generation and np gain on thier Quick cards which you loved to keep on clicking.
Another factor to note as to why Imaginary Around was so critical was the state of Quick in early FGO.
Remember how I said Jack and Okita only had a single turn Quick up? Yeah, they were the lucky ones. So, so many Quick Servants flat-out didn't have a Quick booster in their kits. Caesar, Cu, Diarmuid, Tristan, Billy, Ushi, Marie, Alex, Jing Ke, CA Hassan, and Regend didn't.
Jack and Okita were the only ones with a self Quick boost. Scathach had a targetable 50% Quick up, but she was a limited 5-star. The only consistent Servant who could give Quick up to the party in early FGO was Atalanta with a party-wide Mana Burst. And even then her numbers were lower than even Shakespeare and Mozart capping out at a measly 36% beforr her buff.
The best teamwide Quick buff you could get was a 1 turn teamwide 36%. Now compare that to Imaginary Around which capped out at a permanent 30% MLB. The QoL/consistency and damage offered by Imaginary Around was incredibly worthwhile especially because FGO was all around slower back then.
Another thing to note is that DW was oddly cautious with Quick/treated it like a red-headed stepchild.
The first Quick Servant who had a multiple turn Quick up in his kit was Rider Kintoki who was completely bonkers.
This felt like it contributed to other "balancing" choices such as when they released Wu Zeitan who had a combined partywide Atk up and Quick up...except the Quick up didn't apply to herself.
And you can't forget the sheer lack of Quick supports. Alexander eventually got his own team-wide Quick buff, and Summer Ishtar did have her teamwide Quick/Buster buff-both of them giving 20%. Helena was an amazing rainbow buffer and teamwide np gauge support, but her skill still only boosted Quick up to 20%.
There was something missing, there was still no 3-turn 50% Quick up skill, something both Arts and Buster had for years.
Arts got Tamamo for Halloween 1.
Buster got Nightingale for the 5th Singularity and then promptly got Merlin for Solomon.
That was Year 1-2. Quick had no equivalent.
It took until LB 2 for DW to release Skadi who elevated Quick's gameplan of 'hit Quick, crit, NP, and win' to the extreme at which point Imaginary Around fell off. She also introduced the idea of looping to Quick Servants.
At this point, Quick's gameplan has changed significantly, and Imaginary Around slowly but surely fell off. How much of a boost is 30% Quick up when you already have 100% Quick up? Why wouldn't you be running a starting charge CE to help your Quick Servants Skadi loop?
tldr: Imaginary Around was useful earlygame due to both the sheer lack of Quick steroid options and the relatively low value or uptime on them when compared to Imaginary Around.
It fell of with the introduction of Skadi and the double Skadi comp which gave a massive Quick steroid that made Imaginary Around less useful than other atk boosting CEs and the increased focus on looping incentived Quick Servants trend more towards starting charge CEs to better facilitate Skadi looping.
On one final note, Bond CE Caesar was the King of Quick Supports back in the day. Man gave partywide atk up, np damage up, crit damage up, and a whopping 100% star gen up. Then you could get a permanent 15% up with his Bond CE. Man had insane value by just boosting every faucet of your damage.
Beautiful Big Body of Buffs. That was why Caesar was so fat. The man just had too many buffs to give.
This is just to funny to me.... IA was one of my First MLB CEs, I also soon had Dumplings MLB (but no Raikou)....... BUT I had like 0 Quick units(Mary and Marie don't really count) so I never used them at all..... I mean I eventually got RKin but I didn't have Waver so a 50% charger was always my go to for him.
Alright, I can finally MLB my Black Grail. It's been one short for so long now.
I'm 2 short but I already have a superscope
saaame
and black grail was the first 5 star ce I got on my account all those years ago too lol
I've been at four copies for like two years.
I thought Beryl tier was going to be a pun about “the bottom of the barrel”
Meanwhile, i am half laughing half crying 'cause i will get my first copy of K-scope. Truly the ultimate gacha experience.
congrats on your first kscope
Yup I’m going for Volumen Hydrargyrum because I’ve Dolphined to the point I have all these CE’s MLB with 2-4 spare copies but Volumen Hydrargyrum.
Yeah I don't have all of them MLB, the game instead decided to heavily give me enough for multiple MLB copies of a few of them, mostly Kscope and BG. Both of which I think have have like 3-4 copies of them MLB. Shame I don't have Prisma or Volumen MLB yet, I do hold like 2-3 copies. Have to say, both of those are probably the best ones for their effects. I like putting Prisma on my supports for the arts team on CQs.
Someone once told me that the most important k-scopes are the first and the fifth
I've had an MLB Black Gail for years, but now I can finally MLB Kaleidoscope. Had 5 and didn't want to get rid of having multiple copies, but now I'll have 1 max and 1 min to work with.
My final copy will Black Grail will be obtained here.
Also guys don't pick other CEs other than Kscope and BGrail unless you know what you're doing.
5:46 Good guy Fino
That is very valid Fino but shiro is shirtless.
Shit, that's a good point
> honest mids Michael
It's always nice to see fellow melty blood players lol
I have all of the Ce's limit broken and like 3 non-limit broken K-Scopes. I'm 1 copy short of getting a second copy of Prisma limit broken, so I'll probably pick it. I also have a soft spot for that CE, since it helped me quite a lot way back in the Boar CQ.
I have 3 copies of Kscope and 3 copies of BG. just imagine the look on my face if i choose one for the tickets and a spook of the other on my later rolls
After playing for like 5-6 years I finally got both BG and KScope MLB in the same rolling session (like 3 copies each all at once, it was crazy, and it was during my Ibuki rolls which made it even crazier), and I also got an extra copy for both soon after (so now they're both MLB+1).
That being said I haven't really touched KScope in like 2-ish years (I think I've used it once after MLB-ing it), and I only use BG during CQ's (which while still infrequent is a lot more common than KScope).
Though I guess once 90++ drops I'll likely use BG a lot more since I think 6CE is mostly beyond me.
All that to say I have 0 idea what I want to pick, I have an MLB Prisma, more than enough Volumen (MLB and 4 other copies), MLB Sakura and Rin, and 2 non-MLB copies of Shiro (absolutely not picking this one though).
I'm probably just going to go for BG, another MLB one will at least look good on my support list (whenever that happens).
thankfully the 3 kscopes i got from a single banner earlier this year made this choice pretty easy, i do need 2 more black grails for mlb but it's a step in the right direction
Getting Black Grail cuz im missing 1 for MLB, and i've been playing since NA's dang release lmao.
Fuckin' same!
I'm in good company here, so I shall REJOICE!
Be smart and get black grail everyone. It's better. Long lasting and never gets automatically blocked by a drain charge enemy like kama in ooku for example
Plus getting a spook black grail while having one is better than getting a spook kscope when you already one of those
I mean multiple K-scope are nice, and even if you don't want multiple, getting the atk boost from leveling up a single K-scope can make or break your farming comp.
Don't disagree entirely with the BG sentiment though. It is ridiculously strong.
@@saver_spenta_mainyuthe attack up doesn't really help overall especially when you got a np 1 unit. Bg literally gives a higher attack and overall damage that will get you through that last bit of health the bosses got. Even that multi core stuff people keep talking about you got append castoria charge to get to 100 plug second castoria and you'll be fine.
Even if you somehow need castoria np I just use the Kiara ce. Way better and gives way more shields so the gacha has better options too that you'd want to spook you with anyways.
I’ve gotten a fair share of all of these *except* for Black Grail, which I’ve gotten a SINGLE copy of during four years of constant playtime
Funny thing is mlbed kscope and even got one extra copy on the first Oberon banner, and I have really never needed to use it. The 50% ces have always been enough for me, even during the skadi era. But man the amount of times I wished I had a mlb black grail, especially for 90+ since I have a pretty nice cu caster to go along with it. It would make a drastic difference. I just need two more copies to mlb, one from this ticket and one from the gacha. Lord help me.
Easy Pick Black Grail
Currently need 2 more copies before ML
Kscope attack bonus or the Marshall one ho bonus single cooy of those is enough.
I'll be picking Kscope this time. I have MLB copies of all the other CEs with 2 Black Grails (one of them at lvl 100). Kscope is only 1 away from being MLB, so easy choice for me.
Already have MLB black grail, lvl 100super scope, mlb 3 invul CE, MLB shirou, and got MLB sakura on jp, so... I'm really torn between going for 5th copy of format craft or 5th copy of prisma cosmos. This video successfully made me tilt a bit in favor of the latter but still haven't fully made up my mind.
I don't wanna be that guy but I have a MLB Kscope and 3 copies of Black Grail. Im not sure if another copy of black grail would be good or if I should just get another CE I dont have.
After six long years, my BG will finally be maxed out 😂
This made me realize I’ve gotten really lucky with ce’s because the only one here I don’t have is the shirou one
Damn good thumbnail
I guess for new player kaleidoskop is good but i guess gonna go for black grail
I'm glad they bring out stuff like this for newer players, but I've been around long enough, and have been degenerate enough to have both KS and BG MLB on both my accounts. I think I only have 1 prisma cosmos on my second account so I'll probably take that there so I can run two. My main account I legitimately don't know. I think I have all of these MLB multuple times over there. Still thank you for the video regardless! Definitely gotta agree that Kscope has fallen off in usefulness over the years.
I'm going for my 6th black grail dupe, I have all others MLB'd + spares, so extra BG I guess 😂
Hey Fino, so i've got all of these MLB'd except Prisma Cosmos (3 copies) and Formal Craft (4 copies) which would be better to pick?
In that situation, I'd go with Cosmos. Better to build towards having a surplus of those.
I have to check. I think I'm close to a second mlb black grail and prisma cosmos. I have mlb kscope with 2 loose ones. so it will be a tough choice.
I love jeanne so if I get 2 mpb prisma that would be grand
I think ill go with Black Grail. I dint have it, and having it will help.
my advice would be if you are starting literally rn, or if you dont have any of the meta supports pick k scope, otherwise pick bg, there are so so many ways to get charge these days and more in the future, if you have both pick bg to mlb, append skill makes mlb kscope kinda useless compared to damage increase of mlb bg
bg- black grail
mlb - max limit break, its when you feed 4 copies of a ce to original one, making it have better effects
Edit: I would also recommend summon for anny first maybe you get lucky
Counter point. Waver is free and xuu fuu is also going to be free. So you got two meta supports right there.
New players if they start right this second. Same thing get black grail and spam the story until you get 900 quarts and go for SIbuki banner.
In one month you got waver xuu fuu SIbuki and erice for a strong starting arts account with friend castoria and Dr p to make the difference.
i have black grails but no kscoup which choud i pick
Just fyi anyone who wants a good immortal Jeanne engine:
Merlin with 2030
DPS
Jeanne with magical girl sapphire
Obviously not something newer accounts can really do, but I can tell you from experience this front line is amazing for CQs
BG and Prisma are built and I still need two KScopes; would be an easy choice if it had 2030.
So i have 3 copies of KScope and 2 Marshalls (don't use them), and zero Black Grails. Been using Morgan as general farmer and damage dealer (since her release I used her in all events). Should probably go for BG, right? I also have castoria and a few good arts loopers, so that might come in handy for them too. I just question if a single copy of BG is good enough to consider using, without the atk stats.
Even at 0*, Black Grail is a huge leap in power over pretty much any other CE. I'd say it's worth picking for general usage.
BB 100%
The 50% charge CEs are better than MLB kscope a lot of the time anyway.
i have a mlb kscope and black grail with one extra copy of kscope. i have 3 prisma cosmos. should i get the extra copy of prisma so i'm one away from mlb or stick with another kscope copy?
I have all of these except formal craft MLB so clear choice for me
Was going for kscope but I got a 5th one recently so I guess it's black grail.
My 4 Black grails are waiting for the last one so I can make Exodia's fist and shove it down the enemy's throats. Also, I have like 7 scopes iirc and 2 Imaginary elements
BLACKGRAIL HERE I COME. JUST NEED ONE MORE.
I got 2 Wizard Marshals and 2 BGs, should I still go for Kscope for farming or keep working towards MLBing my BG?
While Wizard Marshal isn't a good replacement for Kscope, I'd say you're close enough to a MLB Black Grail that you should grab a copy of it with the ticket and then hope you roll the last ones.
3rd BG 100% not only you get more levels for it so better dmg you get closer to MLB.
Kscope even at mlb isn't that much better than 50% charge CEs with secondary effects in today's meta, in some cases even worse.
My two options are either limit breaking formal craft or getting a fourth unit black grail. Fino Do i limit break the formal craft? Or get a fourth copy of black grail?
Take the Grail. Better to gamble on rolling the last copy imo.
Praying I get another BG so that I can mlb it 🙏
Already have 6 copy of K-scope but more max K-Scope is always welcome.
Quick reminder that even Black Grail and KScope are of limited value once Arcueid hits. That's why Lasengle is giving them away now. Your most common team comps will be using bond gain CEs on all 6 servants, since Arcueid/Arcueid/summer Ibuki can use their NPs without support. Arcueid is a potato but will still deal enough damage on regular farming nodes to not need Black Grail. 90++ nodes are all specialized to the event and you'll end up using the event CE most often on those.
Kscope easy pick for me, have been stuck with 4 copies for ages. It also helps that I already have Black Grail MLB so the choice could not be easier.
I got my 5th Black Grail while rolling for Kiara, so I guess I'll take the Kscope.
Thankfully i have both MLB Kekscope and BG so i can just pick the Rin CE
Sad part is I limited broke all of them...
Jokes on you i already have most of them MLB except Formal Crafts,Imaginary Around and Kscop hence why, as a quick believer, will get closer to MLB Imaginary Around ( Don't compare me to Beryl though i begeth)
After 4 years I can finally have a kaleidoscope 😅
I'm guessing there's not really a good reason to pick 2nd black grail if I already have 1 MLB with no other copies?
Not particularly. Unless you tend to backline someone with a 100% self-charge as backup.
Ggsr vid coming?????????
i have mlb kscope but 0 black grails, so the choice is obvious.
My NP5 melusine desperately needs it (i'm using lvl 100 hero elly ce right now)
I still need a 5th kscope regardless, im so sad
For me this is a very easy choice: Volumen because I somehow managed to never roll a single copy of it, while at the same time having 6+ copies of every other CE.
Black grail is already level 100, and I'm 1 kscope away from mlb. The only reason I really don't want to get kscope is that I won't mlb it, because having 1 mlb kscope isn't worth losing 2 80% kscopes. I think.
I am just going for my third BG copy so it means I need one less to MLB it.
I feel like mlb keleido is only useful for the attack since most 5 stars can get to their append mana by bond 6. Making 100 starting unnecessary. I have an 80 cap keleido and 1 20 keleido. I also have and mlb black Grail. So I probably be aiming for the other ces
Wait. 2030 isnt amongst the CE Ticket roster. Ah rats..
Time to MLB my black grail
You have to pick Black Grail, anything else is a waste.
My face when Prisma Cosmos is the only CE I've left to MLB 🤷🏻
the funny thing when im just strting fgo i got 3 kaileidoscope never know that how impt that card was i decided to burn it ...ughh
Note : i did that bec the servant i rolled up back then wont show up all i get is CE e
I definitely have MLB BG. But I am two Scopes short of an MLB. So yeah, Kscope it is and I hope the final copy graces me in the gacha
What if I have neither lmao
I have black grail one copy away from lb so there isn’t a choice for me.
wdym beryl is best boi
Black Grail is the only one I don't have mlb so my choice is very easy to make.
IMO MLB KScope isn't as valuable as it was due to appends being a thing now, BG just offers so much more with MLB
Easy decision: Irisviel > Zelretch
Bro, I’ve been trying to get 2 more copies of bg SINCE NA’s RELEASE. I got 7 kscopes like GAME PLEASE GIVE ME 2 MORE BG to MLB
I have a great marshall magic mlb, do I really need kaleidoscope?
Great Marshal of Magic is what I called Copescope and its lack of any ATK stat makes it a very poor substitute for the real deal.
Well guess I'll take a kaleidoscope
already made my choice, im 1 copy off mlb black grail lmao
I'm calling the kscope people k-cope as it's pure copium that they think in this day and age especially now where you can start an account with waver xuu fuu that kscope is needed. Black grail will make any new and old player much better as a result
Black grail even on base is super op and combine that with xuu fuu friend castoria and any and all aoe loopers like Valkyrie assassin or SIbuki and boom you got an end game farming account right there regardless of being new or old.
Kscope just didn't age well and many people can loop at 50 or 0 making it irrelevant as a whole and so low on damage especially to higher end bosses and farming stages.
Kscope is so 2019 uhh gee LOLz
thank god I just got an MLB Black Grail last year so ill be taking my 3rd KScope
Staff: I feel like we forgot something that we should've done 2 years ago
Lasengle: If you forget it, it's probably not important
Staff: yeah, you're probably right
Meanwhile
Fragment of 2030 never got inserted as a choice for selection even on JP
BG all the way - I've been on 4 copies for YEARS, so I WILL get my MLB BG at long last.
GSSR video when?
Soon
I'm not expert enough to use Black Grail despite having most of the Meta Supports minus Skadi but Kaleidoscope is a good choice for me but the battery append skill makes it easier to use so picking a 5 Star CE is hard to do so I'll probably do a Coin Toss between the 2 CEs and I do technically have a few copies due to spooking/bad Rolls.
what should i pick i have 1 bg but no kaleidoscope the only one i have is hp kaleido
I have like 2 BGrails MLBd, this is gonna be my last Kscope, hell yeah I'm picking 100 NP charge
Picking Black Grail. I have 8 copies of KScope and only 2 black grails and I really need that Limit Broken of Grail because my NP1 Spish is starting to struggle
I have all of them MLBd multiple times (aside from Volumen since MLBing it won't improve the invuln part), EXCEPT KSCOPE AND BLACK GRAIL. Both of them still need 1 more copy to MLB. What a tough choice. But, since my Morgan can 3T farm with no problem using MLB Aerial Drive, I think KScope is less important than Black Grail, that I can use to speedrun some non-farming contents like story boss fight for example.
I have both BG and PC at MLB...
i have 3 copies of Kscope so im getting that instead...
Already got my superscope and need two copies to mlb black grail. Pretty straightforward decision
Prisma Cosmos
When this first appeared on JP, I had three copies of BG and thought, "aha! Just one more copy and I'll be able to MLB with this ticket!"
Two years later, this ticket arrives to give me my fourth copy! Maybe in another year or two or seven the gacha will see fit to bestow upon me my fifth.
Papa fino please bless my rolls so i can finally get my mlb black grail
Tier list is crap, literally pick what you need. Don't need kscope or bg if you already have both mlb. Me will pick IA because 1 copy away from mlb.
I literally explain this in the BG section, you idiot.
The 90++ nodes are coming. The age of multicore farming is coming. For those reasons I'm investing in another MLB Black Grail.
Mmmm, mana prisms.
Honestly Prisma cosmos is a good second ce not kscope. My order of importance is black grail Prisma cosmos kscope them the color ce then the vokumen
Black grail is obvious the best. Super strong. Ages better as you get better and always in demand in aoe and at situations with bosses.
Prisma as the game goes on and you get to harder bosses you'll want to get that extra charge on your supports and with the stall teams now they will wreck shop.
Kscope while it's not at its best anymore you can probably find a use on multi core teams but that's k-cope talking as most aoe can charge to 50 themselves and append charge 20 leaving you at 100 without scope.
Color ce are spooks and while not that good you'd probably get one for the art. I understand.
Honako green ce for memes.
After, fuck, nearly 4 years, I get my first black grail. Unfortunately, this comes at the cost of a potential first KScope. Oh well, that's F2P for you, the gacha is a cruel mistress.
Bruh