I'm thinking about quitting medicine.
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Thinking about quitting medicine/leaving NHS.
About me: My name is Daniel Jin Sun and I am a NHS junior doctor working in the UK, graduating from Edinburgh Medical School. I also make the videos and I take the photographs.
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Personal IG: / jinsun
Photography IG: / sunxjin
Subscriber count at time of upload: 957 subscribers
Hey man literally everything about this video resonates with me. 4th year med student in the U.S. and agree w everything. I have 0 passion for this career anymore. Also taking a break and stepping back to enjoy my life a bit
I am living in Scotland and I am starting my journey to medicine and I want to thank you for your videos. It was a great inspiration to me. I watched your videos dozens of time, and I still do, thinking when it's gonna be my turn to going through what you went when in college. Idk, just want to say that your work its already an influence in others people's life. The production value is also insane. I am so happy that you're back from your hiatus. Looking really foward for more videos!
That's great to hear!!! I hope you get to where you want in life.
im a first year med student and goingn to have my end of years. before med school, i was happy. i had friends a social life good family etc etc. i did absolutely amazing at a levels wgich is basically the exams u do in college before uni in the UK, top grades in the country. i loved medicine i done plenty of volunteering, joined weekly webinars talking about different aspects etc. i had to do a 2 page research project on a condition of my choice a year before uni as a med summer school thiny and i wrote 8 on COPD out of pure intrigue, joy and excitement learning about it and the lungs. flash forward to now. i have no friends i isolate myself a lot and im lashing out when i really dont mean to out of pure sadness and frustration. i made no frieends at uni and multiple times throughought I have really just hated med school. i hated to learn abotu the heart, the lungs, diseases, treatments everything. i came across COPD again and was excited but during and after the lecture, i was just more miserable than i already was. ive gone from having a passion for medicine to having a passion to hate everything abotu it. im very underprepapred for my end of year, and i am jsut so puzzled. should i quit? is this just me being silly? am i just having a bad year? Its first year only, said to be the easiest but it is anything but easy and fun. and if i quit med i dont know what i will do i was 100% set on this i loved it and i will dissapoint everyone in my family, especially my grandparents who are doctors and my mum who dreamed of me to be one. i feel like ive made the biggest mistake of my lfie and i am now living the most miserable year of my entire life and this isnt from the stress of end of years closeby - its how ive felt for the entire year but denied it telling myself im siilly or its going to get better :(
Any updates? I wish to help you but for me I didn’t start med school and I am extremely afraid of loosing my love medicine due to the long journey and how generally difficult it could get. Idk if it’s for me but I have no other passion for any major whatsoever. Lmk how your doing
How is it going
I relate to what you said about having asian parents. Medicine is a fantastic career but the harsh working conditions and chronic stress of the job is pushing doctors to leave the NHS for Australia and New Zealand. When I signed up for medicine I knew the job required working long hours. However, the sacrifices doctors make due to the demand of work and rota are often at the expense of personal lives. i.e Missed Christmas, birthdays and weddings with loved ones. Not being able to take annual leaves when one needs to attend to personal commitments strips someone's autonomy. During my training, I was overworked but kept up with the increasing demand of work and pressure. A few years ago, after a hectic 13.5hr night shift I started to notice the impact of heightened chronic stress, sleepless nights and long hours on my health. Looking back, I was a few months from a burnout.
I'm Asian and My Dad never enrolled me in med school even though I finished pre-med because his reason is "he wants his invested money to return quickly" but newly BAR passer lawyers during pandemic had no jobs since the companies shut down and even laid off their existing lawyers. Some of my classmates even made a law office in front of their house located along the slum areas. If I was in her situation, I'm not gonna open a law office at all without money to rent a decent office because my social image will be questioned by others " you're a lawyer without money?". I'm glad I quit during my law school days, but it created a connection gap between me and my Dad. Luckily during pandemic season, some European Podiatry schools opened online so I'm enrolled and now got my Graduation photo already. I didn't go to the whole Med School because I only like to focus on a specific part of the body, i wanted a direct specialization like dentists who solely focus on teeth so Podiatry also focus on the lower knee until the foot. i didn't choose dentistry because there's more liability there but Podiatry is manageable for me.
@@jadadanos289 My god your dad is a saint. I wish I had a father like yours. I can't wait to quit medicine.
@@Nachiket63 It's not saintly, he just enrolled me forcefully in a different course that I didn't like then everyone felt disappointed that I got more than 10 flunked subjects. That's still same typical Asian parent, they want you to enroll what they like then when you flunk, they get angry for you failing.
Ive been a nurse for 3 years and really love ICU. As hellish, understaffed & underpaid it is, no other job gives you the skills and self fulfilment of working in health care!
So, I am like the friends you referenced - except I am 8 years in your futures.
I graduated 2012. I was a foreign student so to stay in the UK after FY, I needed a training number (visa conditions were even more strict back then so I was limited in what I could choose even there). After my FY years I was pretty ill due to the job already. Midway into my ST training my health completely collapsed. The deanery in Scotland isn't supportive of disabled trainees so... things haven't gone well since then. After a period of longterm sick leave, I tried returning to work. They made me try to work without any adjustments at work (even things like working 9 hr shifts instead of 12, or sitting during ward rounds were said to be impossible). My health broke even further. Then I got covid at work. Now I am too sick to work any job.
So my advice to you is: if you have any health left to you (and it sounds like you thankfully do), and you actually feel interested in other avenues (it sounds like you do), then don't come back to the NHS in its current iteration. I definitely think it is smart of you to consider training programs that have less of the things that drain you, if you do return to training.
I'm leaving the NHS and the UK next month. But I wish I wasn't leaving too broken to do anything. And my advice to anyone is to take time out before they break irrevocably.
Wow thanks for sharing your story Raven, I'm sure that others will read it and benefit from your experience. I'm really sorry to hear that you've had to go through that. A lot of my international friends already feel the same way and they're only at the start of their training. I definitely feel privileged to have the option to pick and choose when I want to start training (and IF I want to start training), which at leaves removes that aspect of pressure. Hope things pick up for you soon, please keep us updated when things improve - I'm sure they will!
@@danieljinsun I think your greatest advantage is feeling interested in other careers or in less patient-facing clinical roles tbh! Even if I had had the choice of locuming (or not doing anything for a few months), I think I would still have wanted to be doing clinical work regularly as being autistic I like routine, and I absolutely love hands on clinical work. Even now, having been off sick with covid for 2.5 years, I feel zero interest in any other kind of job, which sucks. I hope you get into your dream training program in Oxford if that is what you set out to do, but also in the time before that I hope you get to try out some less soul-destroying avenues as well.
Thank you for sharing your story Raven.
I’m also in the same boat, 12 years into this career and I’m simply going to have to leave.
Health broke down during paediatric residency and had to leave and do GP work.
Had my first major operation done on me this year, second OP is next year, so I’m sticking it out until end of 2023.
Unfortunately the stress and work hours in medicine exacerbate my condition and as such, I will have to leave (willingly or not).
I’m now looking into possible alternative careers for me.
@@simelane I'm so sorry, it's such a familiar story unfortunately. The job basically makes it impossible to be healthy unless you're a machine. :/ I hope you find something else that is fulfilling for you. I've been looking at medcomms and education as stop-gap options until I am well enough for clinical work, if my health ever allows. I hope your operations go well and that you find a good career ahead of you.
@@aesaphyr thank for the response.
I’m thinking of pursuing a Masters in Medical Education after the second op.
I do enjoy the teaching aspect of medicine so I hope it’s a good fit for me.
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I hope you recover as well.
Fantastically honest video mate. Kudos
This is the first video I have watched on your channel and I’ve subscribed already. Thank you for sharing, I find comfort in knowing that someone else is also facing the same career dilemma as me and that I are not alone. I am excited to see your future videos.
I am 22, from India and also thinking over a career switch. I’m not from medicine background but I can relate to you still. Your video is very well made, I can see the time and efforts you have put into making it, it has turned out fabulous. Cheers
thank you for your kind words Riya! You're right, the doubts I'm having aren't exclusive to medicine but more to people in our phase of life - hope we'll work it out soon!!! :)
Thank you for sharing your story Daniel. Your super fun personality really shines in your editing style! That end card song was amazing. You've inspired me to try to figure out how to add more personality into my videos. I hope that you are able to find a position that allows you to use your medical knowledge and funny personality shine to the max!
Jin I've been binging ur vids for a while now, as a fellow creator (struggling with excuses and procrastination) your videos inspired me to pick up the camera again and get on that sigma grindset
I was NOT expecting to get a shoutout haha thank you :) Keep doing what you do and I meant every word I said
Hope you all the best!
Thanks Ali
Can’t wait to see where the next year takes you!!
Nervous but excited haha
I am also studying medicine with a full time job. Currently living in Bangladesh, a small country in southeast Asia. you cant imagine our doctor patient ration. Only one doctor for every 5000 patient.
I had great fascination for medicine. but after doing hectic stressful work all day and night, I don't find any time to study. so vast this area of medicine. Also belonging from a middle class family, i cant afford to leave the job.
Many of my friends are studying for PLAB, MRCP,MRCS and planning to settle in foreign country.
I feel so much depressed with my career which is hampering each and every steps of my life.
sometime I question myself, why i have chosen this career?
Ah that sounds really tough, I hope you find some joy soon. Maybe things will get better when you've finished your studies and have more options open to you
Hey, glad you are figuring things out and taking it slow, sometimes it’s really easy to just get carried away with progressing your career without actually thinking about what you really want in life.
I have a question, so I am currently a foreign student in y3 edi medi and didn’t know that you needed a training number to continue on staying in the UK. I was wondering if you have any advice on the pros and cons of moving out to somewhere like australia after fy2. Thanks!!
Thank you my guy. That was certainly the deal for my cohort, or at least you need some sort of fellow role - basically a permanent job for visa reasons. I've heard some talk of international grads possibly locumming around the uk but don't know anyone who's actually achieved this - I can ask my friends a bit more about this. I want to research Australia myself a lot more too, so I'll make sure to share my findings in the future q+a!
As working in emergency I did face alot of stress , too much patient , too much tired , sometimes it does feel like working like an animal ! Whole day and night, really tough to handle stress , pain that body is feeling inside ,
Love this video and I can see you know Dr Sins works in New zealand😂😂
❤❤❤❤❤ hope you find you soon
Likewise!!
(Q&A) Hi Jin, I’m starting med school now (in the uk) but since I have duel citizenship I was thinking of moving to the States (your videos have pretty much confirmed this lol), do you know if I would have to do residency even if I did FY1+2? Any ideas about how to go about this. Thanks- loving your videos, such a cozy channel it’s perfect for us and your personality and editing is fantastic!
hi man, thanks for the comment! I'll try to answer this in a future q+a, I have a few pals who gone onto US residencies from Edinburgh med school
Yes definitely....
F1 and F2 Is nothing when compared to residency
Have you checked grad schemes? I researched them a lot and a friend of mine started working in finance that way. I am on a very different journey, so I know it’s not the right path for me, but maybe for others. 😊
Hi thanks for the comment Ayla! I've looked into a few schemes yes, I think I'd be looking to enter as an experienced hire if I was to go down the consulting path.
Who wans to work within the NHS and, by association, be implicated in the greatest ever crime against humanity.
what’s the song at the end???? 🥵🔥🔥🔥
the man SBARZ himself ladies and gentlemen - www.soundcloud.com/bosire-oroko/specialise-prod-ermashov?in=bosire-oroko%2Fsets%2Fresisting-arrest
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Hey , I dont know if u have made up your mind or not , but dont u think alternative jobes for medicine offer less salary compared to specialties? Or dont u consider ur salary at all ?
Hi Sarvi, thanks for commenting! I have another video on my channel about how much I make as a junior doctor in the UK - it's not very impressive at all. Sure, it may become a middle class salary in 8 years when I become a consultant, but there's plenty of alternative jobs that can hit the same level of income in a shorter time.
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