Dragon's Dogma is an actual multiverse. Every. Single. Solitary. Pawn. Comes from a world where they were "formed" by an arisen. It's a weird meta but it means the same thing both in game and the real world. One of the best gaming Ideas next to the Nemesis system from Shadow of war. The next step is straight up designing your own main antagonist and that antagonist showing up in other people's games as bosses.
The Seneschal's speech at the end almost makes it sound as though pawns are simply training wheels for the arisen's ascension. He doesn't mince words when he calls them "empty vessels," but he also equates them to humanity as a whole now that he himself has run out of the volition that basically fuels the world. You may appreciate how the anime handles it, as strange an adaptation as it is. It very much builds on Selene's development.
I think you are just overthinking the fact they are "slaves", they aren't even human, at least not until their Arisen sacrifice themselves to bestow them with an actual soul, you could think about Pawns as Simulacrums of humanoid beings, they look, speak and learn like a human being but they have no Soul or Will of their own, the Arisen commands them but not because they are his slaves but because he or her is the answer to bestow them with true humanity, they learn about the world and people through the Arisen and is the Arisen's will to protect the world that gives Pawns the revelation of what true consciousness is.
I mean I don't think he's reaching too far. Many other stories have also posed the "this is a person without a soul so they can't compare to humans " narrative and those games showed why it should be questioned. Ex1. The androids from Detroit become human. They are viewed just like how you described the pawns. They look like humans act like humans , but they aren't humans. Any semblance of humanity is merely imitation. But the games narrative shows they that Isint the full story and that maybe things don't need souls to be "alive" Ex2: nobodies from kingdom hearts. It's in their names they are nobodies ,they are regarded so lowly that they aren't even someone. They are viewed as a cheap imitation of of the person they spawned from. And just like pawns and androids their emotions are seen as just imitation, but Roxas ,along with others clearly show that there is more to them. They have feelings and desires.
@@diredier the soul and will is enough to make them not human, they bareeeely even count as sentient. To me, pawns are actually kinda uncanny with how subservient and unwilling they are
@@Magaflamewolf Detroit become human is a really fucking bad example. That shit show is a poorly written mess with the most asinine and terribly executed allegories you can find in gaming. It’s filled with a lot of contradictions, allegories which don’t work in the setting, really really really surface level existentialism and awful world building.
I think having an entire race created to be “slaves” in a fantasy setting is a pretty unique and interesting idea. It forces players to consider things that might make them uncomfortable.
They aren’t slaves or a race. They’re literally fabrications of a duty to serve the arisens. They possess no thoughts, emotions or free will. Everything they do is simply an attempt to obey the arisens commands and actions, imitating them how the arisen desires.
I swear, the story of this game is so profound that it's left my head hurting from the rabbit hole I've gone down. People can say all they want about how the story is too simple for their liking, but I've found that the way the story sets up smaller examples that reflect the grander scheme of things is nothing short of genius. For instance, when you kill the villan character Julien and revive him by using a wakestone, he surrenders completely to your will and turns himself in to the authorities to be executed for his crimes, finding it pointless to resist since if he acts out of line, you've proven yourself to be entirely capable of putting him back in his place whether he likes it or not. In other words, he has become no different than a pawn since his fate is no longer in his hands under the pressure of your force of will, with the only thing distincting him being that he accepted this fate willingly. If you're observant, you'll realize this situation eerily reflects how your connection between you and the dragon came to be, and how perhaps your current decisions might not be motivated by your own will but that of the dragon who's conquered your will and holds your fate hostage for it. And hey, that seems quite like the dynamic between you and your pawns. Later on, you'll even realize that very process is how the dragon came to be, and the line of reason the seneschal uses to convince you to unquestioningly perpetuate the dragon's dogma once you take his place. Just one little optional scene unravels the central doctrine of the dragon's dogma all in an instant, and together with other realizations like that, I think the development team did an excellent job tying gameplay and lore together to create an experience of true art. The message this game offers on the meaning of life is something that is genuinely inspiring in my opinion, and is something that isn't just felt by your ex-pawn by the end, but imparted onto you as a person as well.
Slavery requires existing will being denied by the will of the master towards the masters ends. It's not denied for pawns, there's no will there besides serving the goals of the Arisen. They are what they are. Pawns.
That's a good point, it's not slavery and inhuman if serving you is not enforced on them (the straight up slavery in dd2 volcanic camp is bad cus that's slavery)
yeah....I just made a goth girl named Lady and pretended she was my wife, so I had someone fun to go on adventures with, but this is a pretty interesting take aswell lmao
Think of it like this. Children are born into the world with all these complex emotions going around that they need guidance to contain, and control. Pawns are made without any, and the Arisen implants a seed and unintentionally nurtures the plant, so as the journey continues, it grows whilst the pawn is learning to control and contain said emotions. That is why a pawn will begin reflecting their master, because their master instills within them their own will, a piece of it. But they retain their own identity despite the similarities.
What do you even define is a slave, a person who cannot choose? The Arisen was bound to the dragon, they did not choose that fate but they did choose to fight it when the attack happened. The Arisen's choice sent a cascade of events that'd build up into the wave of changes across the world. That is the games core. Do not fight fate, become fate. Become the force that changes things. A pawn really is no different than a servant. They aren't people with identities, seeing as how you garb them how you see fit, and command their every action. As an ambitious man once said: A man chooses, a slave obeys.
If you look at it from the greater narrative, namely the big reveal that takes the game from a somewhat generic fantasy to something much more profound, you can see a parallel to humans and pawns. All are but mere cogs in an endless cycle, constantly going through the same struggles; humans being beset by a powerful dragon and pawns seeking to aid those few who are turned Arisen by the dragon. So while in a sense the Pawns are basically tools for the Arisen, humans are just as much a tool in the Endless Cycle. It's then when the Arisen we play in the game manage to overcome all obstacles and peek behind the veil of reality, becoming something possibly greater, but still bound by certain rules. The fact that even the Seneschal, a being that is basically God is subject the Cycle puts a certain outlook in the Dragon's Dogma world that isn't seen too often in fiction where the gods are effectively insignificant specks in the grander scale of the cosmos.
Pawns are an extension of their arisen they exist to learn about the world from the arisen they are basic manifestations of your potential to be the seneschal. We literally created every aspect of them so they have undying loyalty and we must take care of them in hopes they gain a will
When you stop to make camp in DD2 you make your pawns sleep on the ground while you stay under the lavish tent you make them carry around lol. The way the clearly human pawns are universally treated like livestock, even by the chosen hero, is so fucked up and so funny 😂 💀
Wasn't it said that a pawn would just stand or wander without someone to command it to do something. They lack any ambitions they live to serve the Arisen primarily. They can not die they just return to the rift. Through time, they actually begin to take on the appearance and traits of their master and in one ending, the pawn takes over your life
In this kind of scenarios I prefer the Tolkien approach - don't allegorize what hasn't been intended as an allegory. Orcs are orcs, goblins are goblins and demons are demons, they're completely fictional, same with pawns. They might look human but they're different. It's not 1984 or Dune or Silent Hill, you can have fun without constantly thinking about how bad of a person you or people around you are.
They are flesh robots. They are formed by an arisen, and are gifted a soul over time. This is what a soul used to be thought of before people decided it was an item to pick up. One's soul is a summation of experiences, personal desires, and constraints of the form they inhabit. It is not a "slave". It is you are a god, and are creating followers that you teach how to have a soul, and then release to their own lives. Also as for prejudice it makes sense why people are distrustful, and they have good reason to be. Look at AI right now. Then, take that AI, make it far more capable, and give it a body that it can move and manipulate the real world with. If your not unsettled if not down right fearful of that entity, your an idiot. That is the equivalent of what a pawn is, in a world with magic where god knows what terrible acts can happen because of it. Go on, tell me you would almost ever feel safe in medieval fantasy with god knows what prowling around, every other villager with a story of how someone they knew either died or was disappeared by magic nonsense, and then look at these things that wear human form but arn't and tell me you feel safe with them. TLDR: They are humans given soul from a god(the player) akin to creation myths throughout history. People in fantasy worlds have excellent reasons to be distrustful, even fearful because they are not gods, and can die horribly from all the nonsense in their world. As players this seems silly, from where their standing it is logically sound.
At around the 7 minute mark, and prior you arw talking about pawns and how uncomfortable it is that they are treated as less than humans and the deeper implications. They are less than humans, as seen in the end of the game the seneschal is able to create humans, but he cant create more of himself, only these paler reflections which humans are as to god. Pawns are a paler reflection of humanity called into existence by the arisen, and by a process called the bestowal of spirit they can become a human in their own right.
Each Arisen creates their own Pawn, and they all were created by different Arisens in different worlds, there’s a multiverse in Dragons Dogma. The Pawn that the Arisen creates is basically what they imagine them to look like before they pop out of the Riftstone.
To be honest, the story line with Mercedes going no where was disappointing, Dragons Dogma 2 is the same story as the first one, Elven lady voice acting could be better, I’m enjoying the game mostly.
@@amaruandujarbecause you aren't paying attention to anything. They were made slaves for a very messed up reason thats the crux of DD2's story. They are not meant to be used that way. They serve on the Arisen, their own Arisen or others in other multiverses..not some slavemonger with a glowey staff.
I'm loving it, and thank you! I actually just started new game+ a few minutes ago, so I might actually get another video out at some point soon. Got a couple of ideas for it so far.
Story in 2 was short, nonsensical, and kind of boring, didn’t care about my romance partner: Ulrika, game is just a better version of the first game with not much new to provide in the way of story.
i think while it may be true, the endings do provide some new stuff to look into, especially because it has a true good ending from the vanilla game even and we are actually better presented to what is the dogma for, hell, even the brine is better utilized and it is gone in that end as well.
@@tammywacha pretty much. I don’t understand the thought process of the director or capcom for that matter. The first base game didn’t sell well. Dark arisen came later and fixed most of the issues the first game had. Lack of challenge, the horrible fast travel system which the director new it was bad and more content. The reason the game kicked off was because of the combat. With all that said tell me how reducing the amount of skills and weapons for classes was a good idea when the combat of the first is what made it sell
@@tammywacha It sure is good game, but somehow, a bunch of stuff that pretty much everybody thought that was kinda half baked in the first game and that it certainly would be better in the sequel, somehow got even more underutilized, like the beloved system and somethings are straightup worse and even more rushed, like the main story.
the part where you talked about the game was pretty cool. The part where you tried to bring implications about the world was quite bad, because you lacked knowledge on what you were talking about (just the jokes about england that I refrain from this statement, because I also know nothing about it). But I guess it was meant to be more about your opinion on certain topics than what you actually know... this was also one of the few points that I disliked about the game.
@@tammywacha absolute no idea. Thats why I think my comment doesnt apply to those jokes at all. Sorry if I didnt make it clear in my comment, my english is really rusty
@@kevingabriel8642 It also wasn't clear in your comment what exactly you had a problem with. Like what you think I don't know enough about. Fyi, the people in those jokes were Rishi Sunak (the unelected prime minister of the UK, hence the nonfunctioning democracy) and Ron Desantis (Florida senator who is basically the reason so many anti LGBTQ+ bills keep getting put forward there).
the problems that I have with the game: the same old caricature japanese people think about western medieval society. That it was a bunch of supersticious crazy people oppressed by a crazy and authoritarian clergy. The way that they portray the church in the game is quite bad, specially in the witch part, where they say that she was unjustly persecuted by a bunch of supersticious crazy people, reproducing liberal favors of pagan worshippers and witches or things like that. Of course there were a few powermonger popes and crazy people, but they are obviously rare ocasions. Maybe the heretics of the game represent well the cattars that the medieval state and church actually persecuted (and for a good reason). But its almost cartoonistic and a caricature of what actually happenned. Its also fantasy, but it is obviously based on something, that is a caricature. my problems with your video: I just have one problem in fact, the other things are simply things that i dislike. The problem is that you seem to reaffirm in your video that same caricature that I mentioned in the witch hunt part of the video, saying that it really happenned like that. Now that I think about it, maybe you werent talking about the inquisition, maybe you were talking about modern british and american witch hunts and if you were, I really apologize. But I find it unlikely since it is a game based on medieval western europe, not modern british isles or modern american puritanism. The things that I simply disliked are the way that you thing the pawn problem. I dont know why you think of them as enslaved victims or child without rights. I think they are simply people without sentiments to try to simulate a "shell", because there is no actual player there, just a npc that you can command. Maybe thats why you think they are dehumanized by other people, because they are literally dehumanized people. Why do you think that the player is doing something unreasonable by commanding the pawns? They make it clear that their will is to serve the arisen... So i dont think it is nothing compared to modern forced slavery where they are treated as less people nad they arent, and they are obliged by force to do something against their will.
@@tammywacha But until that part, I was liking quite a lot this video. You and I probably have a lot of disagreements, but you seem like a reasonable guy and made a pretty good job. These are just minor things that I find incovenient. :)
Your sense of right and wrong should come from within and be based on empathy, not come from what others say and be based on conformity. Also when you're talking about children just being alive to serve their parents wishes...like...where'd you get that? That is not a true parent child relationship.
My phrasing could've been better. What I meant was more like children are rarely taken seriously by the adults in their lives, and when they're told to do something, it's often the case that they're met with judgement and/or punishment in some respect.
Dragon's Dogma is an actual multiverse. Every. Single. Solitary. Pawn. Comes from a world where they were "formed" by an arisen. It's a weird meta but it means the same thing both in game and the real world. One of the best gaming Ideas next to the Nemesis system from Shadow of war. The next step is straight up designing your own main antagonist and that antagonist showing up in other people's games as bosses.
Oh, that sounds awesome; if they can do it right.
That can happen in dogma as well
The Seneschal's speech at the end almost makes it sound as though pawns are simply training wheels for the arisen's ascension. He doesn't mince words when he calls them "empty vessels," but he also equates them to humanity as a whole now that he himself has run out of the volition that basically fuels the world. You may appreciate how the anime handles it, as strange an adaptation as it is. It very much builds on Selene's development.
I think you are just overthinking the fact they are "slaves", they aren't even human, at least not until their Arisen sacrifice themselves to bestow them with an actual soul, you could think about Pawns as Simulacrums of humanoid beings, they look, speak and learn like a human being but they have no Soul or Will of their own, the Arisen commands them but not because they are his slaves but because he or her is the answer to bestow them with true humanity, they learn about the world and people through the Arisen and is the Arisen's will to protect the world that gives Pawns the revelation of what true consciousness is.
I mean I don't think he's reaching too far. Many other stories have also posed the "this is a person without a soul so they can't compare to humans " narrative and those games showed why it should be questioned.
Ex1. The androids from Detroit become human. They are viewed just like how you described the pawns. They look like humans act like humans , but they aren't humans. Any semblance of humanity is merely imitation. But the games narrative shows they that Isint the full story and that maybe things don't need souls to be "alive"
Ex2: nobodies from kingdom hearts. It's in their names they are nobodies ,they are regarded so lowly that they aren't even someone. They are viewed as a cheap imitation of of the person they spawned from. And just like pawns and androids their emotions are seen as just imitation, but Roxas ,along with others clearly show that there is more to them. They have feelings and desires.
they feel pain and have emotions and thoughts, what qualifies as human anyway?
They aren't human. Now just ignore all the hundreds of reasons pawns are living sentient beings and just think of them as fake people. :)
@@diredier the soul and will is enough to make them not human, they bareeeely even count as sentient. To me, pawns are actually kinda uncanny with how subservient and unwilling they are
@@Magaflamewolf Detroit become human is a really fucking bad example. That shit show is a poorly written mess with the most asinine and terribly executed allegories you can find in gaming. It’s filled with a lot of contradictions, allegories which don’t work in the setting, really really really surface level existentialism and awful world building.
I think having an entire race created to be “slaves” in a fantasy setting is a pretty unique and interesting idea. It forces players to consider things that might make them uncomfortable.
if you're gay, maybe. I see them as my trusty companions that I'll fight alongside with.
They aren’t slaves or a race. They’re literally fabrications of a duty to serve the arisens. They possess no thoughts, emotions or free will. Everything they do is simply an attempt to obey the arisens commands and actions, imitating them how the arisen desires.
I swear, the story of this game is so profound that it's left my head hurting from the rabbit hole I've gone down. People can say all they want about how the story is too simple for their liking, but I've found that the way the story sets up smaller examples that reflect the grander scheme of things is nothing short of genius. For instance, when you kill the villan character Julien and revive him by using a wakestone, he surrenders completely to your will and turns himself in to the authorities to be executed for his crimes, finding it pointless to resist since if he acts out of line, you've proven yourself to be entirely capable of putting him back in his place whether he likes it or not. In other words, he has become no different than a pawn since his fate is no longer in his hands under the pressure of your force of will, with the only thing distincting him being that he accepted this fate willingly. If you're observant, you'll realize this situation eerily reflects how your connection between you and the dragon came to be, and how perhaps your current decisions might not be motivated by your own will but that of the dragon who's conquered your will and holds your fate hostage for it. And hey, that seems quite like the dynamic between you and your pawns. Later on, you'll even realize that very process is how the dragon came to be, and the line of reason the seneschal uses to convince you to unquestioningly perpetuate the dragon's dogma once you take his place. Just one little optional scene unravels the central doctrine of the dragon's dogma all in an instant, and together with other realizations like that, I think the development team did an excellent job tying gameplay and lore together to create an experience of true art. The message this game offers on the meaning of life is something that is genuinely inspiring in my opinion, and is something that isn't just felt by your ex-pawn by the end, but imparted onto you as a person as well.
Slavery requires existing will being denied by the will of the master towards the masters ends. It's not denied for pawns, there's no will there besides serving the goals of the Arisen.
They are what they are. Pawns.
That's a good point, it's not slavery and inhuman if serving you is not enforced on them (the straight up slavery in dd2 volcanic camp is bad cus that's slavery)
They can't be slaves since Pawns have no will of their own. Pawns are like Golems in folklore. Soulless entities that serves the creator.
yeah....I just made a goth girl named Lady and pretended she was my wife, so I had someone fun to go on adventures with, but this is a pretty interesting take aswell lmao
I love that!
Is she a sorcerer, I just threw her into the brine 5 mins ago… I no longer needed her
@@Erucus nope, not a sorcerer, must've been a different lady lmao
Ah a fellow chad goth pawn user
And now dogma 2 actually went further with the pawns equating slaves topic.
Well no since dragons dogma 2 kinda changes the lore for them by a bit
Think of it like this. Children are born into the world with all these complex emotions going around that they need guidance to contain, and control. Pawns are made without any, and the Arisen implants a seed and unintentionally nurtures the plant, so as the journey continues, it grows whilst the pawn is learning to control and contain said emotions. That is why a pawn will begin reflecting their master, because their master instills within them their own will, a piece of it. But they retain their own identity despite the similarities.
What do you even define is a slave, a person who cannot choose? The Arisen was bound to the dragon, they did not choose that fate but they did choose to fight it when the attack happened. The Arisen's choice sent a cascade of events that'd build up into the wave of changes across the world. That is the games core. Do not fight fate, become fate. Become the force that changes things. A pawn really is no different than a servant. They aren't people with identities, seeing as how you garb them how you see fit, and command their every action.
As an ambitious man once said: A man chooses, a slave obeys.
If you look at it from the greater narrative, namely the big reveal that takes the game from a somewhat generic fantasy to something much more profound, you can see a parallel to humans and pawns. All are but mere cogs in an endless cycle, constantly going through the same struggles; humans being beset by a powerful dragon and pawns seeking to aid those few who are turned Arisen by the dragon. So while in a sense the Pawns are basically tools for the Arisen, humans are just as much a tool in the Endless Cycle. It's then when the Arisen we play in the game manage to overcome all obstacles and peek behind the veil of reality, becoming something possibly greater, but still bound by certain rules. The fact that even the Seneschal, a being that is basically God is subject the Cycle puts a certain outlook in the Dragon's Dogma world that isn't seen too often in fiction where the gods are effectively insignificant specks in the grander scale of the cosmos.
Pawns are an extension of their arisen they exist to learn about the world from the arisen they are basic manifestations of your potential to be the seneschal. We literally created every aspect of them so they have undying loyalty and we must take care of them in hopes they gain a will
When you stop to make camp in DD2 you make your pawns sleep on the ground while you stay under the lavish tent you make them carry around lol. The way the clearly human pawns are universally treated like livestock, even by the chosen hero, is so fucked up and so funny 😂 💀
Wasn't it said that a pawn would just stand or wander without someone to command it to do something. They lack any ambitions they live to serve the Arisen primarily. They can not die they just return to the rift. Through time, they actually begin to take on the appearance and traits of their master and in one ending, the pawn takes over your life
In this kind of scenarios I prefer the Tolkien approach - don't allegorize what hasn't been intended as an allegory. Orcs are orcs, goblins are goblins and demons are demons, they're completely fictional, same with pawns. They might look human but they're different. It's not 1984 or Dune or Silent Hill, you can have fun without constantly thinking about how bad of a person you or people around you are.
They are flesh robots. They are formed by an arisen, and are gifted a soul over time. This is what a soul used to be thought of before people decided it was an item to pick up. One's soul is a summation of experiences, personal desires, and constraints of the form they inhabit. It is not a "slave". It is you are a god, and are creating followers that you teach how to have a soul, and then release to their own lives.
Also as for prejudice it makes sense why people are distrustful, and they have good reason to be. Look at AI right now. Then, take that AI, make it far more capable, and give it a body that it can move and manipulate the real world with. If your not unsettled if not down right fearful of that entity, your an idiot. That is the equivalent of what a pawn is, in a world with magic where god knows what terrible acts can happen because of it. Go on, tell me you would almost ever feel safe in medieval fantasy with god knows what prowling around, every other villager with a story of how someone they knew either died or was disappeared by magic nonsense, and then look at these things that wear human form but arn't and tell me you feel safe with them.
TLDR: They are humans given soul from a god(the player) akin to creation myths throughout history. People in fantasy worlds have excellent reasons to be distrustful, even fearful because they are not gods, and can die horribly from all the nonsense in their world. As players this seems silly, from where their standing it is logically sound.
this look like my graphic setting in dragon Dogma 2 to be able to get to 60 fps day time 😥
It's not the game then, your either blind as fuck or just stupid😂
Great video, also every time I yeet my pawn into water I feel bad, but I still do it...
At around the 7 minute mark, and prior you arw talking about pawns and how uncomfortable it is that they are treated as less than humans and the deeper implications.
They are less than humans, as seen in the end of the game the seneschal is able to create humans, but he cant create more of himself, only these paler reflections which humans are as to god. Pawns are a paler reflection of humanity called into existence by the arisen, and by a process called the bestowal of spirit they can become a human in their own right.
Are they born or how do they even come about? Why are there SO many walking around
Each Arisen creates their own Pawn, and they all were created by different Arisens in different worlds, there’s a multiverse in Dragons Dogma.
The Pawn that the Arisen creates is basically what they imagine them to look like before they pop out of the Riftstone.
It’s the will of the arisen that creates and guides them. Think of them like sheep to a Shepard
To be honest, the story line with Mercedes going no where was disappointing, Dragons Dogma 2 is the same story as the first one, Elven lady voice acting could be better, I’m enjoying the game mostly.
3:20 crying :(
Are you going to play 2?
Played it, am playing it, will be playing it.
I know this is going to sound controversial however in the real world there is absolutely a "slave race" there called humans.
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In part 2 it is without question
I'm not... quite sure what you mean by this?
@@tammywacha that they are slaves because of the opening sequence
@@amaruandujarbecause you aren't paying attention to anything. They were made slaves for a very messed up reason thats the crux of DD2's story. They are not meant to be used that way. They serve on the Arisen, their own Arisen or others in other multiverses..not some slavemonger with a glowey staff.
I stated In Part 2 that they are slaves because in the Beginning you are thought to be a pawn and enslaved. So please tell me wtf are you on about
In Battahl, yes.
Love the social commentary sprinkled in, hope you're liking the 2nd game, easy subscribe!👍🏿
I'm loving it, and thank you! I actually just started new game+ a few minutes ago, so I might actually get another video out at some point soon. Got a couple of ideas for it so far.
@tammywacha thats whats up! Looking forward to more of your thoughts on the games and its characters!
Story in 2 was short, nonsensical, and kind of boring, didn’t care about my romance partner: Ulrika, game is just a better version of the first game with not much new to provide in the way of story.
i think while it may be true, the endings do provide some new stuff to look into, especially because it has a true good ending from the vanilla game even and we are actually better presented to what is the dogma for, hell, even the brine is better utilized and it is gone in that end as well.
Jokes on you, no country, especially Britain is a democracy.
Sad the sequel sucked.
L take.
@@tammywacha pretty much. I don’t understand the thought process of the director or capcom for that matter. The first base game didn’t sell well. Dark arisen came later and fixed most of the issues the first game had. Lack of challenge, the horrible fast travel system which the director new it was bad and more content. The reason the game kicked off was because of the combat. With all that said tell me how reducing the amount of skills and weapons for classes was a good idea when the combat of the first is what made it sell
@@robertrainford6754 I hope you come around to it some day, DD2 rocks
@@tammywacha It sure is good game, but somehow, a bunch of stuff that pretty much everybody thought that was kinda half baked in the first game and that it certainly would be better in the sequel, somehow got even more underutilized, like the beloved system and somethings are straightup worse and even more rushed, like the main story.
the part where you talked about the game was pretty cool. The part where you tried to bring implications about the world was quite bad, because you lacked knowledge on what you were talking about (just the jokes about england that I refrain from this statement, because I also know nothing about it). But I guess it was meant to be more about your opinion on certain topics than what you actually know... this was also one of the few points that I disliked about the game.
Do you know who those people were in the UK and US jokes?
@@tammywacha absolute no idea. Thats why I think my comment doesnt apply to those jokes at all. Sorry if I didnt make it clear in my comment, my english is really rusty
@@kevingabriel8642 It also wasn't clear in your comment what exactly you had a problem with. Like what you think I don't know enough about.
Fyi, the people in those jokes were Rishi Sunak (the unelected prime minister of the UK, hence the nonfunctioning democracy) and Ron Desantis (Florida senator who is basically the reason so many anti LGBTQ+ bills keep getting put forward there).
the problems that I have with the game: the same old caricature japanese people think about western medieval society. That it was a bunch of supersticious crazy people oppressed by a crazy and authoritarian clergy. The way that they portray the church in the game is quite bad, specially in the witch part, where they say that she was unjustly persecuted by a bunch of supersticious crazy people, reproducing liberal favors of pagan worshippers and witches or things like that. Of course there were a few powermonger popes and crazy people, but they are obviously rare ocasions. Maybe the heretics of the game represent well the cattars that the medieval state and church actually persecuted (and for a good reason). But its almost cartoonistic and a caricature of what actually happenned. Its also fantasy, but it is obviously based on something, that is a caricature.
my problems with your video: I just have one problem in fact, the other things are simply things that i dislike. The problem is that you seem to reaffirm in your video that same caricature that I mentioned in the witch hunt part of the video, saying that it really happenned like that. Now that I think about it, maybe you werent talking about the inquisition, maybe you were talking about modern british and american witch hunts and if you were, I really apologize. But I find it unlikely since it is a game based on medieval western europe, not modern british isles or modern american puritanism. The things that I simply disliked are the way that you thing the pawn problem. I dont know why you think of them as enslaved victims or child without rights. I think they are simply people without sentiments to try to simulate a "shell", because there is no actual player there, just a npc that you can command. Maybe thats why you think they are dehumanized by other people, because they are literally dehumanized people. Why do you think that the player is doing something unreasonable by commanding the pawns? They make it clear that their will is to serve the arisen... So i dont think it is nothing compared to modern forced slavery where they are treated as less people nad they arent, and they are obliged by force to do something against their will.
@@tammywacha But until that part, I was liking quite a lot this video. You and I probably have a lot of disagreements, but you seem like a reasonable guy and made a pretty good job. These are just minor things that I find incovenient. :)
Your sense of right and wrong should come from within and be based on empathy, not come from what others say and be based on conformity. Also when you're talking about children just being alive to serve their parents wishes...like...where'd you get that? That is not a true parent child relationship.
My phrasing could've been better. What I meant was more like children are rarely taken seriously by the adults in their lives, and when they're told to do something, it's often the case that they're met with judgement and/or punishment in some respect.