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- Jay and Nick discuss the Nader Haters and their one of a kind WRX swapped Corvair.
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the continual nod to "the new 911 Turbo from Porsche" has me cracking up every time
It gets even better because the 911 Turbo they show is a water cooled example
Arent those porshes pretty dependable?
Ya' gotta remember, Don Yenko's first factory hot rod was a Corvair!
... and John Fitch's Sprint Corvair, which he eventually sold to Solar Cavalier. They were all (at least originally) air cooled flat sixes and pretty damn good ones at that! There's no telling what these Lemon people might do with them! 😆😆
@@MrGaryGG48The Yenko Stinger is still very competitive in SCCA racing.
This is why Lemons is the best race series out there. People serious about racing, but not too serious about competing against others. The real competition is to finish the race. (Would you rather win your class, or the IoE?)
It really helps that the organizers encourage (and embrace) weird. It makes for a great racing series.
Totally agree. That's why I find things like F1 so boring - all the cars are exactly the same, trying to do the same thing the same way. Maybe some driver drama, but as an engineer (and someone who never gave a crap about any sort of athletes) I'm more interested in machine than man. Lemons is so fascinating and fun because there's a few loosely-defined (and honestly flexible in many cases) rules and people are encouraged to do all sorts of weird things, resulting in a wide variety of "solutions." And like you say, people do what's fun and interesting, caring more about that than actually winning.
@Romulus III There's plenty of other places to watch that sort of stuff, a lot of more pretentious racing leagues like SCCA, NHRA, Formula Three, even Formula V (I don't know if that's still a thing), Auto-X, kart racing leagues, and so on, plus the pros like Indycar, NASCAR, Formula 1, Le Mans, Pikes Peak Hill Climb, and plenty of others. Just writing about that makes me realize how nice it is to have a less-competitive, more-friendly, more silly alternative. The whole idea of Lemons, the reason so many people enjoy it, is how it doesn't take any of that seriously. The more it's about competition, the more serious it gets, the more stress, the more strife, the more getting the rule book out, the more pretentious, the more rival teams will genuinely dislike each other. I think Lemons is working very hard to avoid going in that direction. Lemons is more just about silly fun, people being friendly, the rules themselves (and the judges ignoring or changing them as they please) being almost part of the joke, nobody taking it seriously, just having a good old time, and we want to keep it that way. I even ponder if the judges deliberately avoid talking about winning except as off-hand mentions is intentional - they want to avoid it being about that. So if you want that sort of stuff, go for the plethora of other options and allow Lemons to keep it's light-hearted less-competitive silliness.
Foreal it sounds fun
A corvair possibly better than Matt's off-road
So we got a call for a Corvair busted out to MSR Houston...Ed, what's the weather today?
Not until it can pull a bunch of Can't Ams out of the sand dunes.
Lololololololol almost!!
Yeah his Corvair is pretty sweet, this is to the street what Matt’s is to off road.
You guys just helped me figure out what I love about Lemons is the same thing I love about Bonneville. Creative design and sweat weigh in above megadollars. I love the weird hybridizing that goes with both venues.
This is so cool! I’ve actually thought about a Subaru motor in a Corvair before but I think it can be done in a way that keeps it both rear engine and AWD. The real poor mans Porsche 😂
Corvair: Double my Horsepower
Ralph Nader: Heavy Breathing
Ralph Nader was, is, and forever be a USDA Grade A horse's patootie!
Am I imagining things, or did I really see a 924 at the end of this video, that had the front-clip of a Chevy pickup as it's front end?!?? 🤪
Team Nader H8er,
Use your existing design with the radiator at a 45 degree angle so it is also acting as a spoiler and get the thermostat housing for a Mustang II with a V6 for your Thermostat & coolant fill point....
But then I built a 73 VW Type 2 Westy with a Toyota four cylinder hemi that would get 30 mpg at 80 mph...
And no I never got pulled over but I saw a few people I had just passed get stopped...
---David & Mrs. Inky the toe biter....
Awesome !!!!! Now just swap the awd frontend from a legacy or outback AWD WRX CORVAIR.....DAMN!!!
I don't get why there were front disc brake conversion problems with the stock suspension?
For decades hot rodders added Camaro disc brakes (and rack & pinion steering) on the stock Corvair suspension, with no problems.
This was done until the Mustang II came out.
OK.... how about someone builds a Ford GT POINT 40 (.40) using a '70's era Pinto hatchback? Mid engine of your choice with a transaxle, the big cutout vent in the hood for cooling... Take that, Nader!!
Yay!!! Corvair!!!
I'm going to put a Tucker engine in a Porsche....
No, no I'm not....
If some millionaire showed up with a 911 swapped Tucker and a Tucker swapped 911 as a two car team it would be good
@@Iamthestig42069 I can see getting a clapped out, used up 911 for Lemons money, but good luck finding that $500 Tucker!
One day ill be ready to start my lemons racing career.
Two very different people who sound identical.
I would love the Lemons "upgrades" to be available on Forza Horizons! I mean, if you can have a 'busa powered Peel P 50, why not a Porsche Turbo Corvair!
Shame they couldn't get the awd to run.
A mid-engine '54 Hudson 'Super Jet', 202 flat head, would have made a more unique, and wondrous, setup !
Ok, build one
@@justinracesweekends3458 first, you've gotta find one. Then fix one. Then do that for under budget.
Twin-H Power, of course!
It's gonna dominate!
If they used the Corvar 2nd gen with a two speed automatic and a mid mounted 327 small block Chevy and turn brakes it could dominate and they wouldn't have to invent as much...
or they could use their existing design with the radiator at a 45 degree angle so it is also acting as a spoiler...
But then I built a 73 VW Type 2 Westy with a Toyota four cylinder hemi that would get 30 mpg at 80 mph...
And no I never got pulled over but I saw a few people I had just passed get stopped...
TEXAS? Looks like a Classic Arizona plate on it. We ran 67 Corvair back in my high school days (mid 80's) with a 327 mounted mid engine aka in what used to be the back seat. Later years we built a Porsche 914 with a Mazda Rotary 13B. And for the last 30 years I have been drive a VW Baja bug with a 150HP 2.3 OHC Ford Mustang motor powering it
You are a perfect candidate for Lemons!
Don't understand the hate on air cooled engines... They were very successful and reliable for decades.
Do you really think GM, Porsche, VW and many other engineers were stupid?
Stupid is a very real medical condition. School doesn't cure it. How can you be so dismissive of the possibility that a person is stupid?
Not to mention Duetz diesel!
Maybe the most significant cause is that few people today are familiar with air cooled car engines. Porsche went to liquid cooling due the tightening smog laws many years ago. The VW Bug (air cooled) went out of production (except in Brazil) about 1977. About the only folks left are the dedicated gearheads and their aren't enough of us to get this job done!
Well exactly A flat six is As Good As It gets. The air-cooled simple as it gets.. Downside of the corvair was they had rubber seals before they developed high Temp neoprene seals. which cause nasty oil seapage. by-the-way corvair engines were built with aircraft specification material. Some of the early corvair engines were built from molds bought from Franklin aircraft. Forged steel crankes naturally balance configuration with a damper, butter smooth like an electric motor. high quality aluminum castings. With minor and relatively inexpensive mods such as electronic ignition stronger or beehive modified valve springs they are capable of turning 9000rpm all day long. With Forged pistons an strong strike GM rods an crank they will withstand a lot of boost.
I'd like to take this for a spin or three.... around the track, I mean, NOT trailing throttle oversteer type of spinning, because that's only fun on a skid pad....
Very cool build.
I've always like the looks of the second gen Corvair. Has anyone ever cut out the bottom of a Corvair, fabbed a chassis and dropped the shell onto it, thereby avoiding some of the suspension problems?
Yes. There’s a guy that grafted a Corvair and 911 together. Not a fan of the looks but it can be done. Oh, and there’s a guy on tiktok putting one on an S10 frame
@@kevinmiller4312 I think I saw the S10 frame mod. Questionable.
4x4 and front engine chassis swaps into Corvair unibodies aren't all that uncommon. But the way I look at it, if you want a front engine, V-8 powered Corvair, why not just buy one that the factory built back in the 1960's and save yourself all that work? They're easy to recognize by the badge on the fender that says in bold chrome letters, "CAMARO"!
My late brother had a 65. Bunch of after market suspension and engine mods. Was quick.
I will always love my corvair(s).
I've had Corvairs for over 40 years and have enjoyed them all that time. Nader claims "Unsafe at any speed"? I can't vouch for "any" speed, but I can tell you that they are rock steady at a buck thirty (modified, of course).
I want to build a WRX swapped Corvair Monza, in all black and call it “Darth Nader”
Yo, guys!! DKWs are water-cooled!
I've owned many of them... trust me!
You are clearly a sadomasochistic or refugee from the DDR !!!
Which is it???
[I am asking for a friend named Erich H...]
@@davidhollenshead4892 ....warped old mechanic, who's father was the only DKW wrench in the 50s, in Denver. Apples, trees, gravity straight down....:)
One of the most impressive builds I have ever seen. Simply perfect. Amazing work. BTW. There was, about 25 plus years ago, another 'Nader Hater'. It wasn't nearly as nice, and it had a rear mounted 455. I believe, if I recall, had a purple color scheme. It might have been the 'Nader Hater', but your build is the 'Nader Obliterator'. This is hands down, the baddest and coolest Corvair ever created...Ever.
"Niggaling problem.." cracked me up!!!
The Saleen S7 is one thing, but a Saline S7? You would have to be really salty to build one of those! 😎
As an EJ builder and a Corvair owner -- I like this, but a mid-Engine LS would have been easier ... ha ha! Which we got to hear it more ...
Man I wish someone would make a cool suspension swap kit for corvairs, sucker for those cars❤
I love you guys!
I love the shout out to" Herbie", with the paint, and decals...
i mean honestly, they shouldve just put the radiator up front
This needs to be a thing. On the streets of America.
my favorite lemons car!
Then there is John Reynolds putting a LS4 into a Covair.
That guy is amazing!! Check out his build.
Hmm. Why though? Oh, wait. Right, I forgot the prices for air-cooled 911's and their engines have gone through the roof. Damn, I hate I didn't get on that gravy train... The Corvair is nice, cool to see one racing. I hear they handle pretty well, and Nader was full of bull.
Wow, the engineering that went into that is actually damn impressive. Veeeery cool. Lemons is truly a wonderful place for people to learn mechanical engineering, and all that with out a manufacturer sponsored budget.
Niccce.
with the original corvair transaxle you can install a mid-engined ls v8 in it
Crown and Kelmark both sold ready to install mid-engined V-8 conversion kits fir the late model Corvair. Not a weekend job, but as I understand it, it is still something that an enthusiastic Corvair owner and a rented engine hoist could do in his garage.
6:05 He actually said "Niggaling Problems" 😂
Now thats a cool corvair
Bravo
Second generation Corsair is beautiful, also not the swing axled one Ralph went after
No pride?... depending on who you ask, no shame.
Some call it a blessing. "Some"
Lust mount the rad and intercooler on the roof
An amazing amount of ignorance here lol.
I’ve wanted to g body frame swap one of these for years
5:48 Um, no.... They put the radiator in what was formerly the engine compartment, NOT the Trunk. That is in the front of a Corvair.
Okay here's the thing to me. I love the WRX, and I love the Corvair. They pretty much botched all of the original suspension. Why not keep it all wheel drive with the WRX suspension and modify the body to fit all that. It would make it a front-engine vehicle
Yeah, it would be hard not to have fun in a car like that.
Is it just me or to do these 2 voices remain loud no matter how much I turn the volume down?
My first car looked exactly the same but barely went down the road.
This is a common swap for the corvaires
Have you ever done a video on the adapter plates necessary for all these weird motor swaps? I know a company by the name of Kennedy Eng makes adapters but the ones I have seen on your shows seem outrageous. Who does your adapters man?
Now you could really build a fast Corvair,, A Hewland transaxle with a Chevvy in front of it. A lot of F5000 suspension components big fat slicks and go racing.
And yes it did happen, the car won the Australian Sports Sedan championship 3? years in a row. Initially in the hands of its creator Frank Gardner then Touring Car driver Alan Grice. Then the car was banned!! Or at least had to put the engine in the back which was madness,, Porsche 911!! or VW Beetle.
Though with the number of factory transaxles around these days and a decent engine would still be a winner. $500,,, probably not. Though $5000 would do it.
The funny thing is i see most enthusiat chanels say the wrx is a 2.5 all the time, and "guys talking about a corvair" got it right
V8 swap is crazy easy. I did it.
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almost sorted? needs a Fiero front & rear end/gearbox now.
How would you make a Subaru engine work with a Fiero gearbox... and still fit?
@@musewolfman ...look, I'm just an ideas-man. Gonna need someone capable to make it happen, lol
@@musewolfman By cutting both sets of driveshafts in half and welding two Frankenstein drive shafts together...
It can't be twice as hard per shaft as making a Frankenstein drive shaft for a swapped front engine rear wheel drive car...
[per drive shaft so {Frankenstein drive shaft }^2 ]
@@musewolfman Transverse Subaru engine with a chain drive Harley Davidson primary to the Fiero gearbox. Piece of cake!
@@Krazie-Ivan I say that a lot at home.
They hate Nader because he said the Corvair was under engineered. Then they proceed to re engineer the Corvair to fix the problems Nader said it had in the first place.
You did not do that for 500.00 but way cool.
Seems to me it would have been easier to put the engine in the front of the Corvair where Suburu had it. But I don’t know Corvairs or Suburus. What say the armchair mechanics?
So we never get to see it run? .....
Did they add a outside sound system to drown out that famous Subaru engine/miss-fire/burbling/sick/plug wires switched sound? Hope they don't let it overheat past 215F...or it's a melted blob...
do you h8 911's because you don't have one?
Hell, why half-step?? Just drop in a Chevy V8 mid-engine and move the transaxle to the rear of the engine using a Crown conversion kit, hundreds have been built this way.
because its already been done, and a SBC is the most boring solution in the world
V8 swaps are too vanilla
Honestly, I'm wondering how long it would take before anybody figured out that a Subaru B-series car was 2WD, and not AWD?
Watch the anime Initial D -- the cars they use are all JDM cars, of which the Subaru is one. And the Subaru that the main character, Takumi, ends up practicing in isn't his beloved AE86 Corolla, but a B-series 2WD Subaru his dad, Bunta, bought.
So, just saying, Subaru 2WD systems do exist, which may mean simply swapping out the AWD transmission for a 2WD transmission.
Nader is the reason every single new car has to be stuffed with 500 lbs of airbags, and he'll be the reason why one day, hopefully well after I'm gone, that no civilian car will have any ability for a human to pilot it. We'll have some senator quoting highway fatalities and lost productivity time due to human error. Everyone will harumph and whoosh! No more steering wheels in cars! Once a precedent is set in law it will always be taken to it's most extreme point of whatever inspired the idea. We began at "Here's a car. It's giving you the freedom to go pretty much wherever you like, but it can be dangerous so act like an adult when driving it" to "Hey maybe you guys should always put seatbelts in new cars so people don't go flying out the windshield when they wreck, oh and make sure your cars don't catch on fire either" to "you have to put big ass bumpers on your cars and pass all these tests we're going to give you by smashing up examples of the car you want to build" to "no more pop up headlights because idiot A who was driving didn't watch out for idiot B who was walking across the road at night not watching out for idiot A therefore turning idiot B into human spaghetti" to "Hey that airbag in the steering wheel is a good idea, you all have to do it now" to "well if one airbag is good then twenty is even better, cover every inch of the interior with airbags" to "you have to use computers to make all new cars idiot proof" which will bring us to "the idiots still find a way to crash these things and kill people so we have to punish everyone by taking away their freedom, plus it's gonna be super easy for cops to pull people over now when they can just press a button and the car will pull itself over". Maybe Nader had good intentions but you know how they pave the road to hell right?
id daily it till it was sorted ... lmao id trade a boxster fer it roflmao.... i wonder why they didnt jus use ths whole driveline cradle and suspension assembly like us VW railbuggy and bug fellers been doin since they turboed the WRX jus curious..... id have some version of aliminum blocked v8 in a midengine configuration.... guess thats not a Lemons build tho ... lol
They call themselves Nader H8rs and then proceed to fix all of the issues of the Corvair that drew Nader’s attention.
Yet none of them deserved Nader's attention.
He also said that Pinto's explode if hit in the rear. A total fabrication. The Pinto had the same Chassis as the Maverick and the mustang, all having the gas tank 6" from the rear bumper. He still called them dangerous after Ford prostituted itself and added the park bench mid 70's impact bumpers that weren't needed. Even the Fox bodies were close with no support for the tank.
little small, what? problems 😳😳
Is there money to be made running in lemons races.
You'd have to win IOE 4 or 5 times in a row with the same car to break even. I'm doubtful any single car has won IOE more than once. But surely somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.
Lemons gets exponentially cheaper if you race the same car multiple times, but it's mostly an entertaining way of flushing your money down the toilet. Bear in mind, this is coming from a fanboy who's never actually done it but has big dreams.
Um. I think you should ad something in the rule book that says you should not put a chev pickup nose on a porsche 944, or whatever the hell happened at 7:50
Great stuff...but dude...fix your lisp
I certainly hoped they fixed the roll over problem, under hard braking and turning...that what ended the Corvair...they rolled rather easily
BS, an ignorant public unaccustomed to the layout WAS THE PROBLEM and Nader rode those coattails to notoriety.
@@charlesangell_bulmtl lmao, you really need to go read about,
the track width of front tires were the wider then the rear, and it had a bad rear suspension design, where sudden steering changes, overloaded the rear suspension , causing sudden handling issues that the average driver can't correct...leading to a roll over
Gotta love swapping an unreliable engine... for another unreliable engine.
The EJ25 has no problems.... for 100,000 miles. After that the head gasket and timing belt explode, but win some lose some.
@@darthrex354 not the turbo EJ25s, which got MLS gaskets from the factory. No, they have ringland failure... but that's usually a byproduct of cranking the boost up.
Also, this would be a 2.0l anyways.
Why didn't they use a mid mounted 327 Chevy small block with the 2 speed automatic and add turn brakes???
@@davidhollenshead4892 Are you proposing that they steer it like a tank? I like it!
I never heard of an unreliable subaru engine
CornVair!
Too much talking not enough engine noises/reving
Do you really want to hear a flat four engine revving up?
A Corvair that sounds like an old VW Beetle.
@@2lotusman851 yup if its fast around corners . Corvairs can handle corners.
You 2 clowns ever drive corvairs?
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Stupid loud music makes it incredibly annoying to listen to a person talking...
UA-cam please never recommend this channel again.
You can put lipstick on a pig...
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