Bake Off: Discover the winning temperature for the best homemade bread!
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2023
- The great bread challenge: What temperature will give you the best result? We put the loaves to the test and baked them at different temperatures to analyze the results. Which baking temperature works best for you at home?
This is the recipe we made in the video.
Sourdough Bread
Dough weight: 1000 grs
Ingredients:
- (90%) Bread flour: 469 grs
- (10%) Whole wheat flour: 52 grs
- (70%) Water: 365 grs
- (20%) Sourdough Starter: 104 grs
- (2%) Salt: 10 grs
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I can understand why you tried cooking bread in an oven that wasn’t preheated and I can even understand why you would cook a loaf at 350°. But why you would take the loaf out before it was done being cooked I don’t understand. I enjoyed the experiment of seeing which different temperatures you would cook a loaf at. But obviously you would need to cook the low for longer if the temperature was lower. So I prefer to see that kind of experiment where all of the loaves reached 200° in the center and then see how they are compared in the end no matter how long it took them to cook.
The duration of the baking should be the same in the experiment. That is why.
@@glutenmorgentven incorrect. Absolutely weak science. Sorry but to be accurate the internal temperature of each loaf needs to be the same.
I completely agree with you, I have experimented with temps, and they produce somewhat difference results. However ( and I use the same cast iron he does) after about 15 mins, I insert my instant read temp gauge (the one with the heat prob in the oven and read out on the stove. I bake to 200 degrees, regardless of time. If I want it more brown, I hit it for a couple minutes at high temp; another varible is steam, lots of ways to get there.
My personal preference on crust is I don't like destroying the roof of my mouth.
Great experiment! Thank you for sharing.😊
@@glutenmorgentven Why? Seeing how long it takes is a perfectly valid factor in an experiment.
The less than perfect homemade loaves are still far superior to anything you can buy at the supermarket.
I don’t agree. Italian bakeries bake delicious , crispy sourdough bread. My local store Mariano’s bakes twice a day and I can buy it hot in open paper bag.
Really depends where you live. I've lived in places where the bread from the supermarket wouldn't be out of place in a Michelin starred restaurant and then I've lived in places where the bread from the supermarket was just something serviceable to throw together a quick sandwich. I've also lived somewhere where nothing in the supermarket could reasonably be considered to be bread, but was instead a particularly low quality cake that was consistently mislabeled as bread.
@@utahdan231is a super market the same as a Italian bakery where you are? Because op said supermarket not bakery
Totally, the town i grow up in in Algeria, supermarkets didn't sell bread, you buy your bread from a bakery twice a day, so delicious, old brick oven, they also make croissants, chaussons.... Twice a day.
That's what my husband tells me! But I think my family can taste the love baked in. Still, I am glad they enjoy my bread.
This is how I bake Sourdough Dough bread :- Pre-heat oven with Dutch oven in with lid off to 220c,
Bake with lid on for 35 to 45min then lower temp to 200c with lid off 8 to 10min, it works for me and Purfect
I will explain to you, in the first bread that was baked when the oven was heated, it became sour because in the first period the low heat increased the activity of the bacteria that produced acids.
Thanks, really interesting.
I don't know why people are so excited about Dutch ovens. I bake my sourdough on a slab of steel for 22 minutes and get what you get in the cast iron can in 45 at 450F.
I love these tests! I think you're the only one making bread science accessible like this. Would love to see a video comparing breads baked at different levels of starter activation (fed once a week, fed daily, fed every 12 hours, used at peak rise, used after peak). It would settle a debate my partner and I have been having 😂😅
Why don't you do your own experiment then?
Thanks for putting it in Celsius degrees
I prefer the 428 degree for Sourdough Bread.
YES!!!
THE LAST ONE IS MY KIND OF BREAD ALSO!!!!!
I am so glad you are doing the class in English 🙏
I think the reason why the first 2 ones were more sour than the others was because the relatively short time for those low temperatures didn't allow much of the acid to evaporate
Good work! Another variable worth exploring in future experiments is starting with a higher temperature and dropping it for the last half of the bake.
That's what I do. Start from say 240 for the first 20 min and then steam off and down to 225/210 for another 20. Finally +-10 minutes at 190 just with the fan on . That's what happens into an old brick oven heated with wood
86 degrees air temp in your kitchen is super warm. I wouldn’t consider baking anything if it was that warm in the house.
I have found out that 428 degrees is perfect in my oven. Sometimes I lower the oven to 375 degrees when I take the lid off. The higher temperatures tend to burn the bottom of the loaf. Great experiment. Cold Dutch oven in a low temperature oven would have been a nice addition to the lineup.
how long you bake on the temp C428?
Great video! Now I realize the importance of preheating the oven & Dutch oven!
To be fair, all the cold start bakes I’ve seen set the oven to at least 220, not 180
Good experiment! This shows me the exact temperature is not as critical as the relative temperature. If I like it, really crusty, higher temperature if not so lower temperature. Bottom line after this I’m not so worried about having the right temperature. I guess I’ll experiment
I wonder key to "crumb"! Thanks 🐝
You've just convinced me to bake my bread at a low temperature. I haven't made a lot of bread in my life. Years ago I had a bread machine and used it a couple dozen times, and in the last year I've made a dozen loaves of no-knead bread. But with the latter, the crust is always hard as a rock...take a bite and the rest of the crust comes off with it. Looks nice, but not really usable the way I want to use it. Not a substitute for store-bought sandwich bread. But the low-temperature breads you made looked like they had a crust that was soft enough to make a sandwich out of. So thanks for the info because I will be referring back to it (probably soon)!
May the gluten be with you!
If you want a replacement for store bought sandwich bread, then bake a sandwich loaf! That was not at all the type of bread he is baking here.
There are loads of UA-cam videos showing how to make soft sandwich loaves. And they are often baked at a lower temperature.
those first two might be nice for freezing and rebaking later.
Yes, that´s a good idea.
Fourth one. I wouldn't have thought so before I began baking, but now, there is no question.
For me, #3 is exactly what I want. Neat experiment, thank you!
I haven't been to your webpage yet, but I always wondered about baking temperatures . I'm currently trying to learn how to make Cuban bread. I grew up in Miami Florida, and the Cuban bread they make there is amazing. I'm going to check out your webpage, to see if you might have tried making Cuban bread. Thanks for posting this video...
I grew up near Tampa - same struggle! I’ve made it a couple times. Biggest problem is getting the same flour they use (not available in supermarkets), and you must use pork fat for shortening. It’s pretty good when you can’t get anything within 500 miles! 👍
How would I adjust my temperature and time, using convection oven with steam mode. Not using dutch oven. My dough size about 550 g with hydration 70 to 73%. Do i bake longer or higher temperature for higher hydration? Thanks.
You're really funny I really enjoy watching your videos 😅😊
2nd one wins, imo. I hate the last 2 crusts. They'd be cut off in my home.
What happens when you preheat the oven, but not the dutch oven cooking vessel? Would it be somewhere between the first 2 loaves?
Is that Lodge double, Combo dutch oven 5qt? It looks bigger than the 3.2qt?
Interesting experiment, but the first loaf was the only one that started in a cold oven and therefore had two variables changed.
I’d love to see a test between a cold oven start and an oven turn-off method, where the highest temp for both was the same! That’s the one where you turn it off for ten minutes and then turn it back on. I’ve heard people claim both cause great oven spring and both save energy.
I live in the mountains at 6,000 ft. elevation. I am having a very hard time controlling rising and over proofing. I am so envious of your proofed loaves' sturdy structure when you score them. When I score mine, they collapse like a popped balloon.They come out of the oven flat. I am trying to figure out how to slow the fermentation down and still get a full rise. Beautiful loaves you made... all of them!
Don't have any tips for the mountains, but he's leaving them in the fridge first, which makes them much easier to score. Try chilling the dough first? :)
You could try dialing the leaven down to about 10% in bakers percentage.
Are you sure you don´t have a problem with a too acid starter?
i live at 4,600 ft. elevation, so not so high as yours, but still high and I know friends that bake at the same elevation as yours. We have not the problems you are talking about so probably the elevation is not the reason of the issue you are having. as others have already told to score the bread when is cold from the fridge helps, but is possible to do it even with a room temperature dough without having it collapsing. Maybe the too acid starter is the problem, I don't have enough experience about it, but there can be other causes like a too weak gluten structure due to too little kneading and/or folds or too much hydration for the flour you are using or maybe as you guess is just over proofing so you should shorten your proofing time or use less starter. Baking is complex, many factors contribute to the perfect result, so to help from distance is not easy. I suggest you to find yourself the origin of your problem by changing only a factor each time, so i.e. try to lower the hydration or to reduce the proofing time, but only one of the 2 and see if it makes a difference, only changing a single factor each time you have real control on the result of the test. I hope it helps, ciao from the Italian mountains.
I had to change my recipe. when I lived at 1 mile high elevation my recipe worked great. Now I am at sea level elevation.....I Had to change the recipe.
900 gas organic 13% protein bread flour, white
620 grams of water (sometimes I have to lessen that to 610)
200 grams of starter
12 grams of quality salt (Himalayan)
Try this one and have fun
This would've been a far more useful experiment if you had cooked them to the same internal temperature instead of focusing on the baking time. I'd like to see how the different temperatures affect the bread when baked to the correct internal temperature, and then to know how long each bread takes to bake to the correct temperature in the different temperatures of the oven.
I personally think that would've been more useful information.
The cold oven may have been the first , but I’ve heard trying a cold Dutch oven into a hot oven. Would have been a good test to include
Good idea! Next experiment!
Great channel for sourdough bread. I've made 8 or so loaves so far and they've all been pretty flat. My starter is quite lively if anyone is wondering.
Your dough is too soft. Change the recipe or give less water.
like the first comment I had to change my recipe. And I refresh my starter more often by discarding and feeding it for 3 days. changing my recipe really helped
In these times when people are worried about power usage it is good to know that high quality bread can be cooked at lower temperatures. Additionally many people have ovens that don't do high temperatures so this means they too can cook a good loaf.
Hello. Loving your videos. Wondering what brand is the pot you used for baking the bread in this video?
Lodge. It’s on the lid
Thx 😂
This was so helpful. Thank you.
Ramon, could you please refrain from squeezing the crusty bread? It's after 10pm here, I'm in bed and you're only making me (and everyone else) super hungry. It's not good for the waistline. Thanks. 😊
Would you be able to do a video about baking at high altitudes? I live at 7220 feet above sea level and am struggling with getting nice structure.
Will you do the room temperature one at a higher temperature at 4.27 F maybe see how it comes out?
What are the bakery clothes your using for your dough
I like my bread soft all round so the second loaf is better for me
I'm with you. The 2nd loaf wins. The 4th loaf.... I'd be cutting the crust off.
I thought that you would have preheated the oven to 180C at the beginning as baking from cold is not the same. All the other loaves were put into a hot oven and that is why it didn't look baked.
I baked my last bread at 180 preheated and it came out great, like your third loaf.
that's the point of this test!
Do you bake with the top and bottom heaters turned on and with hot air turned on (I mean both vents)?
Yes I do, but that´s why I use the dutch oven at the beggining.
I made a loaf of bread baked in an enaleled iron pot with a lid, baked at 450 degrees for 45 mminutes, and with the lid off for 10 minutes more. Turmed out fantastic and very happy. Problem is, the bottom crust was perfect, but my new bread serrated knife could hardly cut through the crust. If I struggled more with the knife, I could've hurt myself. I baked the bread by carrying the dough into the pot with parchment paper. The crust was perfect, the insides were soft, chewy, big and small eyes, but the crust was like rock hard. Can yhis be corrected in future loaves?
That happened to me sometimes and I had to rock a chefs knife to get through the bottom cruse. It happens way less when I changed to cooking at 450f for the first 20 minutes, then remove the lid and turn oven down to 370 for the last 25 minutes. I have no idea if this change was the cure or I subconsciously changed something else and I didn't notice. Worth a shot IMO. By the way I also use parchment paper.
@@cgirl111 I put the baked bread in a plastic store bought bread bag, and after one night in this bag, the crust softened up well enough so the bottom crust was no longer rock hard. Save a couple of your old bread bags for storageof home baked bread.
Let it cool covered in a towel.
I really love crust bread.
Can't seem to find it, but what Dutch oven is that? Love your channel!
Lodge
In a future video, you could use a remote meat thermometer such as IKEA Fantast to bake all to the same internal temperature (200°F?), and compare oven temps and baking times.
I bake my 1.8 Kg of dough for 1 hour @ 475°F with the lid on the entire time, but I live at 1600m elevation.
I've been playing with thermal regimes but starting out at a lower temperature and turning the oven up. I don't use a dutch oven. The start at a lower temperature, I think, allows for more expansion as the crust doesn't harden off so quickly as it will at a higher temperature. I've tried 250F 350F the 250F seems to produce more oven rise.
There is a female youtube ( Evelyn something) who starts in a cold oven.
Good to know.
I was an exchange student to Argentina and discovered really good bread (of course, great everything else, too, but), I've been trying to duplicate that ever since returning home. I took my mom back for a visit and it's all turned into the crap we have here in the States now so I'm baking a couple times a week now. I'm still scratching my head, but oh well. Stuff happens!
Sourdough bread is the best I think so. Healthy and tasty.
Well they all look good. But the time there's a different. The first two you cooked at 20 minutes the second time. And the second 2 at 25 . Like said the 4th may be maybe 5 minutes too much . The first loaf 5 minutes more. But they all look good. Maybe next time you can send them to me and I'll be nicer 😉
What Quart size is this Dutch oven ?
I love my Dutch oven.
What’s the secret behind keeping lid on for the first 20 min and removing it for the latter part. Will this make the bread better quality?
No, it doesn't make the bread better quality. Only makes the crust harder and darker. While many people like that.... many people don't like that, so it's fine if you do that or don't do that. The bread is cooked through either way.
We were taught to always choose the best cooked loaf, ie, the almost burnt one versus the pretty blonde one. That advice has never failed me ìn choosing the tastiest "artisan" loaf. Plus... undercooked bread is much harder to digest... so "overcooked" bread is always our choice.😂
Why not stick a termometer into the dough to see what temp. they reach?
Enjoyed the video but I think it was off to start the first loaf in a cold oven while the others were in preheated ovens. Why didn't you start with the oven and pan at temp (356f) so that all would be equal. I'm certainly no baker but I think the rise would be quite different everything was at temp.
Can you tell what make is the Dutch oven please,or where can I get it
In the description are the links.
@@glutenmorgentven I am so sorry but I can not find the descriptions. ???
@@philipvanderwaal6817 Directly under the video, in the lighter grey box. Where it says, "the great bread challenge, which temperature...." click there.
All youtube videos have a description there.
@@glutenmorgentven No, there is no link for the dutch oven in the description.
Why use the Farenheit scale when Celcius is far more logical for cooking with water. 0 is freeze and 100 is boil point. Convert: C = (F - 32)x5/9
Why doesn't he mention that how long in the oven? Time& temp are essential,right?
Could you please dp a recipe for new yorks style pizza dough
Nice shelves!
This video left something to be desired...that is time-temperature relations. Sure higher temp can give you crusty skin quicker, but not to the point of burnt taste. Less crusty ones at lower temp will get there if allowed to bake a little longer. so there.
Market the first loaf as toaster bread.
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I'm just over here trying to grasp rhat your room temperature is 85°F and you're not sweating madly.
Second video safety randomly finding your channel and all I want is bread....I don't know why😳😮💨
Love the video!
One suggestion, can’t you (only) measure temperatures in how loud hamsters are screaming? Imperial measurements are very confusing.
in order for the experiment to teach us somthing it would have been better to choose diffrent constant than time bcause as already mention no one in his right mid would think to take the bread out beforo it got the right colors.
rather then just choosing arbituarary constant like time i would devide my usual timing with and with out lead by the tempruture and use it a a multiplier for the new temprtaure to get an estimated timing in the oven. and than i would choose a constent of weghit reduction of temprature.
Room temp of 84F? What? 🥵
I don't know how no one is reacting to that
What is wrong with that? 29 degrees C. Nice.
@@katehobbs2008 When my apartment is in the 80s (which it can be in the summer) I don't turn the oven on at all. Strictly stove top cooking then.
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By equalizing time instead of color or internal bread temp your really testing how doneness effects bread not how cook temp effects bread
Where are you from originally? You look enough like my family that no one would take notice of you being there! 😀
I meant to say you being at a family gathering😀
hahahaa... guess...
@@glutenmorgentven the Iberian Peninsula?
The second breed 👏👏 428
Guten morgen!!!
You were very unfair with the first loaf. May be if we calculate the warm up time and integrate the amount of heat it could be a fair cook and a fair comparison. May be a way of saving energy and get good loafs too. The same applies to reheating the Dutch oven when cooking consecutive loafs.
Does anyone bake their bread in an gas oven?
Having watched the first 10 minutes of your video post and sitting in utter amazement, can I ask you to do another experiment baking Sourdough in the Shower as against the Bath.....I think it will offer your audience something extra and more worthwhile.
Mr Morgan attributed this as a scientific video, not baking magic, so I watched the whole video, and was happy I did.
Thanks for not attributing the process to magic.
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I've found the best way is to crank my oven up to max at 250 C and when it reaches that temperature cook my bread in a Dutch Oven. After 20 minutes I take the lid off the Dutch Oven and turn the oven down reducing the temperature to 200 c and cook for a further 20 minutes. I find that get me the best of both worlds.
The crunch sound FX you could do without... I was waitinbg to hear the crunch and all I heard was the fake sound FX...
The content is good, but is the guy trying to be a circus clown? Unbearable.
So many mistakes made in this video…
Lol. Says who?
Why don't you use Celsius...
He did use Celsius, all the way through. He gave both Celsius and Fahrenheit temps. Watch it again.