US Olympic Team Fluff - 1992 Olympic Games - Team Compulsories
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2011
- A piece on the selection of the '92 US women's artistic gymnastics Olympic team, mostly talking about Kim Kelly and her last-minute removal from the team in favour of Wendy Bruce.
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26 YEARS LATER AND I'M STILL PISSED!!!!!!
She had every right to be angry, Id be absolutely furious
As our fake president would say this shit was RIGGED and FAKE !! 😂
Betty Okino has entered the chat.
This still boggles my mind and I cannot believe that an official could stand in front of a camera and defend this nonsense. Who knows what went on behind closed doors, but the USGF and USOC should be thanking their lucky stars. Imagine what a scandal it would have been if one of the girls, particularly Shannon Miller or Kim Zmeskal, had gotten hurt at the secret trials and couldn't compete? The USGF never would have lived that down.
No, she didn't. Amanda finished 8th at the trials, so she was never part of this process. She was not forced off the team.
Exactly. Kim performed well usually at Nationals meets but when she competed internationally she always bombed. That is why she was not put on the 91 World and 92 Olympic teams despite doing well at the National and Qualifying meets. She had already proven in 89 and 90 especialy she cant handle the pressure of World competition. That plus international judges were much more critical of her flaws and very unpolished gymnastics style, even when she hit a routine.
Then Kim Kelly was right, she should hot have "strung her along" . If she had such flaws she should have scored lower at the trials or previous championships for that matter.
@Russell Hayman good vaulter, not bad on floor or bars, horrendous on beam and yes, form breaks for days on many events. Egg beater full ins LMAO
The USAG did us a favor by not putting Kim Kelly on the team, but the secrecy and lack of transparent and obvious favoritism displayed by this selection process really was psychologically damaging to the athletes and didn't help the athletes in their preparation for Barcelona.
SDoesNotKnow Did who a favor? Your comment is cruel. Kim Kelly deserved to go to the Olympics. She received the scores at trials fair and square and no one should have taken it away from her.
@Catherine H. Who are you? Your comments are very trashy and immature.
pappysprite no it’s because Kim kelly wasn’t good at consistency
hmmmm selection camp was held at Browns which was Wendy Bruce's gym? Coincidence?! I wonder how big of a check Rita Brown wrote to get Wendy on the team.
That's because there's only one guaranteed spot and the Karolyis,And the USGym Officials chose the team based off weight and events you have to take a balanced team. You can't have A team where all parts have the same strength. And they obviously have chosen right when picking people like Nastia, Shawn, or the recently crowned olympic champs the Fab 5....
Exactly! All of Bruce's scores counted except floor I believe, which showed her important contribution. I really doubt any of Kim's score would have counted, and she certainly would not have received a 9.95 on vault with her form.
Stilll extremely unfair. Kim deserved that spot.
And during that time the first up usually gets lower scores, and Wendy was the first up on bars and floor. In my opinion, her compulsory floor routine was way underscored. She out scored Dawes on bars, beam, and scored higher on her optional vault, but Dawes slightly passed Wendy in the final standings due to floor (where I feel she was underscored in compulsories, and was first up in the optional round as well). Oh well, it's history and thankfully they medaled!
What Does Bill Strauss say in this video where he breaks up with emotion? I’ve never been able to understand it.
Wendy was the better choice. More consistent
Totally agree.
All these years later, hearing and watching Bill Strauss still makes me tear up. I'll never 4get this. I couldnt believe it. I really liked but of them, but between the 2 of them, i thought Kim was the right choice. I was about her age at the time, too; i loved her floor routine.
Kim Kelly should never have been removed from the Olympic team. If anyone deserves to be on the Olympic team, it's Kim Kelly. Bela Katolyi, shame on you!
@LadyBeaverhausen who r u talking about?
@Oberon80113 i think she improved a lot since 1990 though.
Wauw I never knew. How unfair for Kelly! I hope this never happens again
@Oberon80113 Is that why Kristi Phillips didn't make the team?
No, Kristi placed 8th at the Olympic trials & was named an alternate
Was she an alternate?
KIm Kelly was treated horrendously but the USGF. She had the scores, but if they were going to let the coaches decide, then what was the point of having trials?
One reason she was left off the team besides her sloppy form which others have mentioned already was she tended to perform very consistent and great in U.S meets, hadly any mistakes, then crash and bomb when she went overseas. Look at her performances at 89 worlds and the 90 Chunichi Cup. So just because she stayed consistent and solid at Nationals and Trials, apart from a fall on bars day 2 of Nationals, does not mean she would have at the Games. Her history indicates not.
@@tysonbradley1465 Both competitions were 2 years before the games, do we have any 1991 and 1992 international competitions for her? She was sick at the Chunichi cup in 1990 and at 1989 worlds she made the team ( and shouldnt have) when the other gymnasts bombed at trials,.
This is why Marta controlled the judges when making her Olympic teams. No one could complain.
Boy, what a load of garbage. Shame. Especially considering she won the formal event. It's like giving the Super Bowl to the 2007 Patriots even though they lost the actual game since they were "the better team."
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 3:34 THERES A WITCH!!!!!!!!!
@LadyBeaverhausen harsh!
The selection process was a mess but Kim Kelly had never performed well in international competitions. She was extremely unreliable. (and her floor routine in 1992 was awful, it would have been ok for a college gymnast but not for international elite imo)
Gymnastics stabbed Kim Kelly in the back simply because she looked like a normal person! So damned unfair!
Why does her coach call her his daughter?
Because they cared and loved her like their own daughter!
She was definitely robbed. Unfortunately gymnastics at the elite level has many dark sides. Just read the stories of elite gymnasts like Elena Mukhina, Julissa Gomez, Christie Henrich and Aly Raisman to name just a few. 😢
Paulsoc Cer ummm Aly Raisman has had nothing to complain about. No darkness for her. She had everything she needed to succeed and she did. Raisman has probably had one of the most positive careers of any of the athletes in the HISTORY of the sport. Christ, I don't even think she's had any significant injuries.
@@smileypantscuppycake122 Aly was raped repeatedly by the team doctor while USAG covered it up. Thousands of women and girls were raped while the USAG told them to shut up and take it, and covered up. That is absolutely a dark side.
@smileypantscuppycake122 reading this in 2024. This did NOT age well.
back when bob costas and elfi schlegel were actually good looking
Why did they focus on just Kim Kelly, and not Amanda Borden - she also made the team then got taken off at this competition.
Borden was never a factor for making the team. She was like really 10th if you count the injured gymnasts
@LadyBeaverhausen OMG you need to get over your self....she was not fat and though the team did well without her there is no need to call names.
KIms scores would have been mostly 9.7s and maybe a few 9.8. She would have outscored Wendy on compulsory beam, optional beam , tied her on both bars sets, scored lower on vault and tied her on floor. The US lost the silver medal on the floor and bars optionals, where they gave away .5 on the landings.
You mean lost the silver medal on that. I guess their thinking was Bruce gave them a better shot at silver (and a better outside shot of gold, but that was always a long shot) with Bruce than Kelly. Or that if Kelly had a meltdown and a couple others had falls on events she fell on they could even be in danger of losing bronze to China.
One thing to remember about Kelly I guess is she was often consistent in U.S events but bombed when she went overseas. It happened at the Chunuchi Cup and the 89 worlds. So just because she was pretty consistent at Nationals and Trials does not mean she would have been at the Games.
The only place Kim might have outscored Wendy would be on beam, if she hit. Maybe she could equal Wendy's score on optional bars but not compulsory bars. Kim struggled with every handstand in the compulsory routine especially the bail to handstand on the low bar.
The only reason why Kim Kelly placed above Wendy Bruce at the trials was because Wendy did fall on beam. If that mistake had not happened then Wendy would have placed above Kim. In the end USA believed that Wendy would score higher overseas than Kim. I know that sucks for Kim, but I still to this day believe that they did make the right choice, and we did garner our first team medal ever in a non-boycotted Olympics.
This was an unfortunate result of a very flawed process. I remember then they moved to a process where the top two or four made the team and then the rest made it through camps or trials or whatever. This also backfired, because it put Pam Bileck and Courtney McCool on Olympics teams when neither of them belonged on them and performed dismally. People even say Melissa Marlowe didnt belong on the 88 team. It seems that there is always someone who gets the short end of the stick. I do think that placing Betty and Shannon on the team was the right decision. I didnt see the performances at the Brown camp so I cannot commment on who deserved that last spot, but if I remember correctly, Campi was placed on the team over all of them, and then replaced by Bruce at Barcelona.
@Ekaterina The Greek Well the field was also pretty weak from places 7-10 and then with the withdrawal of Mar and Yamashiro, Marlowe pretty much locked up the spot. Faehn and Phillips did not deserve to be on the team, but a healthy Mar would have really helped the team
@@enchantedella6495 Hmm, well, I am not so sure about that at least in 1987 she was the highest scoring American at worlds until she fell on floor in the AA, and had great compulsories there. I think she had lost a ton of weight for the trials and looked great there, especially once Mar was out she didnt really have much competition for the last spot. I will say at Seoul she was underscored on all of her optional routines. Especially compared to the East Germans who sucked royally
The overscoring Marlow got in 88 was a total fix. I was so glad the real judges scored her fairly.... I wouldn't say McCool didn't deserve her spot but they did overscore her to make sure she made the team and paid no attention to her beam connections not getting credit at the test event
@@metsdudenj She wasn't underscored at all.
@@enchantedella6495 100 percent underscored at Seoul: Compulsory bars she deserved 9.85 , optional floor, bars, vault and beam ( if you look at what GDR gymnasts got for awful routines) she deserved at least .1 higher on each event. She landed a perfect layout tsuk in optionals and got 9.75. East Germans did the vault worse and got 9.8 and higher, If you cannot see that the scoring was totally fixed for the GDR, I seriously thing you need to watch the competition again closely .
i can't believe this was allowed, it's so sketchy, I would be pissed. She earned her spot and that is all that should matter.
Did anyone think Betty Okino wouldn't be going to the Olympics over Kim Kelly if she was healthy? Kim's coaches should have made sure she knew ahead of time so this never would have happened. Kim was robbed based on what she did. There is no debating that but based on her gymnastics best she should have been on this team was alternate. She would have been harshly scored by real judges.
Blue Style She wasn't harshly scored by judges at the Olympic trials and she deserved to go. Period. It's all about what is fair. What they did to her wasn't fair.
@@pappysprite It was written in the rules.
@Russell Hayman Her bars dismount was upgraded for Barcelona, you are thinking of her 1991 dismount. Bruce never truly ON the team. She was the alternate to CAMPI to made the team when Campi was injured. Had Campi not been injured, this would have been a moot point for both of them
@Russell Hayman He did a free hip front half dismount which I believe was a C level at the time. No double front that I was aware of. Campi was a better gymnast than Bruce and had very good compulsories. And finished in the top three at nationals.
@Russell Hayman look at the 92 worlds dismount versus the 91 worlds dismount
I wouldnt want to be in a situation that didnt want me. But she deserves something out of this money at least
just saying guys but she has moved on and by the way i am kim kellys daughter
Kelly Warren Kim deserved to be at the Olympics. When I watched this whole incident unfold, it made me sick. No one should have denied her a spot at the Olympics and she had the scores to prove it. At the end of the day, those people that denied her spot and gave it to Bruce now have to live with themselves. The decision was nothing more than politics and they had every intention of taking Bruce no matter how well Kim had performed. It's very sick. It shouldn't be all about winning medals. If they have no intention of going by the scores than why have trials at all. To this day, I feel sorry for Kim. It's a big deal, especially when you worked your entirely life toward that one shot and certain individuals took it away from her because they had the power to do so. No one should have that kind of power.
I’m sorry for your mom, that had to be devastating.
I always thought she was great and to get ripped off boo 👎 but I'm glad she made out alright as a college gymnast 😋💋❤🥰
The right choice was made. The team did look pretty meh so maybe Elfi was right though.
+Francisco Negrete actually, she stepped out of bounds in the AA.
+Francisco Negrete she fell off compulsory beam, but I think she actually won team optionals. She did under-perform in the AA, perhaps because she had to give her AA performance in the team optionals. Anyways, Kim Z has nothing to do with the non-selection of Kim K. It would've been a miracle if more than one or two of Kim K's scores actually counted in the team score. Wendy Bruce's optional vault alone is enough reason to prove she was the better choice.
and we got 3rd maybe if the "money men" had compassion for the work that these kids busted there asses on while the "money men" milked off the girls maybe the outcome would have been different in 92
That was probably the best result the U.S. could have hoped for at the time considering the way Romania and the Soviets performed in Barcelona. Kim Kelly would have been lucky if 2 of her scores counted in the team final (and any in the compulsories), and the US would have been unlucky as that would have meant two other gymnasts with higher scoring potential would have bombed those events.
hah. "our gymnastics expert Elfi Schlegel." bob costas should have said "former washed-up, no talent Canadian has-been Elfi Schlegel."
What bitchy, nasty, unwarranted comment. Jealous much?