I just listened to all the subs at guitar center side by side and this one blew them all out of the water in spl, even compared to ones 3x the price.. I don’t care if the amps shits itself in the next 3 years cuz I got the pro coverage, I’ll just either swap it after jacking the speaker for a blown one or block off the plate an run a rack amp on it
I got a set of these from guitar center for 600. I didn’t expect too much from them but man oh man… these things are loooooud. Very good subs for the price 8/10 no doubt.
I should say these were originally paired with a set of eon 612’s. I later upgraded the eons to a set of prx835 and felt no need to upgrade from these subs.
Sorry to be so off topic but does anyone know of a way to log back into an instagram account? I somehow forgot my login password. I would love any assistance you can give me!
@Cairo Abel thanks for your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im in the hacking process now. Seems to take a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Dude I have the same Sansui amp! My dad bought it in Korea in 1975 when he was stationed there. I have the matching speakers and turntable as well! Haha
Brcareful it is not 2400 watts it is about 600 constant i bought 4. It sounded like a bluthtooth speaker from a gas station. It clips at clipping and even on low volume. The driver is made at ToysRUS
Come on , I'm shure this subwoofer gives you a great bass. I mean it is a huge box and really heavy . Some folks just don't k ow how to mix their music
Nah man I just bought some. It really doesn’t. At low volume it actually does clip. You have to balance the mains with the subs well to blend it. You aren’t getting QSC quality with these obviously. Idk about the gas station reference lol but he’s still not lying.
Your videos are awesome.. order a replacement QSC driver or RCF driver and put it in the Alto box.. I would love to see how the combo does... We're only talking $800-$900 bucks total instead of $1500- $2500 might be worth the woofer swap.
Sound engineering is not one of my knowledge base, but i have always wanted to get one of these and replace the woofer with something like a Sundown or Skar Super high excursion car subwoofer... i did thst with my 400 watt blown Onkyo subwoofers and it is soooo much better..
I have these subs and I am pleased with the sound. I am using JBL EON 15in for tops and the sound is awesome. I would recommend these subs to any DJ/Band out there!!
Wonder if you would mind doing a comparison against JBL EON18S? I have both and the Harbingers destroy them. I am having a very hard time with this and would like a second opinion. I know the VARi is rated for a higher peak output, but I would think the JBL's would at least be able to keep up to some extent.
I have 2 of these….it’s a decent sub for crowds of under 100. These are extremely easy to clip can’t get past turning it up a quarter of tha way up before it starts to clip. Not truly meant for hip hop at all. Did 3 gigs with them so far. I clipped damn near tha whole night.
You just don't know how to mix ur music. I have the smaller 12 inch harbinger subwoofer. I do dj or band and they blast lots of bass. I run a guitar with 60 heartz bass frequency and no clip at all. No I can imagine this 28 sub will be such of upgrade. BTW with the 12s I can do about 100 people outdoors
@@Cj_DaDj334 when your speaker or amplifier pass the max level of volume that they are build for , than the sounds coming out are distorted sounding terrible like broken that means that they no longer receive a sinusoidal wave length but a square one.
I know I'm a couple years late the party on watching this, but I'd be interested to know why the reaction to the amp was so negative. What did you see that freaked you out so much? Seems odd to judge an amp on looks alone, no?
Those are Polk audio stereo dimensional array speakers popular in the'80s through early 90s. Those are four six and a half inch woofers couple to a large passive radiator. Interesting design with one woofer in each cabinet being wired out of phase to minimize crosstalk and create a wider Sound Stage. They were considered somewhat radical at the time but a nice sounding speaker nonetheless
I'm a DJ and Music Producer and I have an issue, I have this Sub as well as two 12" 2000 watt monitors, a track im about to release is mixed and mastered and all of the frequencies sound great except the E note around 45 HZ. Does anyone notice that the notes around 50-40 HZ are not hitting loudly on this sub?
I know this is an old comment, but did you ever sort out the issue? Would seem that you'd have the issue on multiple sound systems. I'm certain your track would be played on other devices like headphones and mobile devices as well? Certain sounds don't reproduce reliably. I've had kick drums for example that sound great when facing the speakers, but sounds completely different listening on an off axis.
@@slapopimp Hey ya so I realized it was never an issue with the Sub because after playing my track on very big sound systems (including a stadium show I did where I opened for T-Pain) my tracks sounded fine the sub just doesnt hit well under 50hz!
Just got the V2318S sub today. Took it to practice, immediately broke. White and red light flashing and no sound. So far... Not so good. The manual doesn't even mention this issue.
I need a phone number to the store to get one. I just need to replace a replacement woofer Speaker hat blowing out I just need 18 inch woofer to put back in the box. If you had the phone number or email to the store. Can you send it please?
I have this sub. To me it sounded hallow.. and not deep. Do I need to keep playing with the settings or is this how this sub is? Already thinking of returning it and getting an ev elx200 18
I am sure this is the only English-speaking video on YT for this sub. I have the EV ELX200 18sp subs, and I can bet that these Harbingers are much better, for $200 less. I'll be heading over to Guitar Center for a trade-in!
returned mine after 2 gigs of testing..don't like the frequency response amp is easy to clip..got the refund and added to purchase a bose f1 subwoofer..twice the price of harbinger but very good quality sounding compact subwoofer..
Yeah we noticed the incredibly touchy gain knob. Almost like the input limit is 500mv not even a full volt. Sloppy job on amplifier. But we liked everything else about it!
@@2DudesAudio hated the clipping level on it,,you can make it sound louder but at a price of frequency around upper 120hz..if you want below 100hz shaky clean low boomy bass,,look somewhere else..i was hoping to get a way with cheap 18 subs but with great quality low frequency power comes a higher price tag
You can't judge an amp based on how it looks ... as long as it's properly sealed from the outside it won't make any difference not being closed on the inside, apart from extra convection cooling from air movement . The alto probably used an enclosed amp module so you can't see the shitty components they used 🤣
This sub looks like a cheap clone of the more expensive PreSonus Air18s, with an identical looking bass driver, same ported cabinet system but lacks the digital dsp screen and extended frequency response down to 30hz -3db. If you guys can do a teardown of the PreSonus AIR18s sub that would be great.
I just listened to all the subs at guitar center side by side and this one blew them all out of the water in spl, even compared to ones 3x the price.. I don’t care if the amps shits itself in the next 3 years cuz I got the pro coverage, I’ll just either swap it after jacking the speaker for a blown one or block off the plate an run a rack amp on it
Wow really I just got the new alto ts18 $699 shit hits hard
I got a set of these from guitar center for 600. I didn’t expect too much from them but man oh man… these things are loooooud. Very good subs for the price 8/10 no doubt.
I should say these were originally paired with a set of eon 612’s. I later upgraded the eons to a set of prx835 and felt no need to upgrade from these subs.
Great review!! Thanks 👍🏼
Yes!
Fbt makes greats subs $$$ worth it
Back in the day we used jbl 18’s about 80 pounds all speakers no dsp. The best.
Just found your channel.
I like your reviews.
Popping open the speakers to have a peek inside is great!
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@Cairo Abel thanks for your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im in the hacking process now.
Seems to take a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
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@Koa Braylen Glad I could help xD
Can you guys do more shots inside the box?? We like to see port lengths and stuff
now do harbinger v4000 speakers
Great video
Can you do a review on the Rockville RBG18S 18" 2000 Watt Active Powered PA Subwoofer w/DSP+Limiter Pro/DJ?
Can you do a review on the harbinger m200bt
THANKS 2 DUDES AUDIO FOR DOING THE VIDEO O ASKED FOR KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS
Thanks man! Lots more to come!
Now DO THE MACKIE 18S POWERED SUB TEAR DOWN PLEASE GUYS
do you mean the new DRM series? id like that too.
@@2DudesAudio hi sir better give me one rather to tear it down hehhehehe👍👍👍
Can you do the tests for Behringer 18" and DNA 18 subwoofers? I'm very interested if they are even worse than Alto or better.
Minus the AMP..... HE LIKED IT....
So the question is: If the amp is not good but the speaker is, Is there a way to swap the amp to eliminate the issues one might have?
It’s on sale for $500. Is it worth that price?
I have one with dual 15 jbls its not bad worth it
Do a video disassembling the plate because I need it out but can't find all the screws
Do a teardown on a Turbosound Milan M18B please!!!
I bought one of these today I was stoned when I looked at them yesterday. Can’t figure out how to put the wheels on it. It sounded nice
On the back
By the volume knob
Dude I have the same Sansui amp! My dad bought it in Korea in 1975 when he was stationed there. I have the matching speakers and turntable as well! Haha
What type of fasteners are these and what size please...i have a 12 with a loose horn driver and can;'t get the screws out of the cabinet....Thanks
Brcareful it is not 2400 watts it is about 600 constant i bought 4. It sounded like a bluthtooth speaker from a gas station. It clips at clipping and even on low volume. The driver is made at ToysRUS
Come on , I'm shure this subwoofer gives you a great bass. I mean it is a huge box and really heavy . Some folks just don't k ow how to mix their music
Nah man I just bought some. It really doesn’t. At low volume it actually does clip. You have to balance the mains with the subs well to blend it. You aren’t getting QSC quality with these obviously. Idk about the gas station reference lol but he’s still not lying.
Your videos are awesome.. order a replacement QSC driver or RCF driver and put it in the Alto box.. I would love to see how the combo does... We're only talking $800-$900 bucks total instead of $1500- $2500 might be worth the woofer swap.
Good idea!
The amp would not power it right...waste of time and money.
That’s true I bought cheap passive sub with decent box and replacement it with JBL it made world of difference you can always upgrade driver
exelent video :D
Sound engineering is not one of my knowledge base, but i have always wanted to get one of these and replace the woofer with something like a Sundown or Skar Super high excursion car subwoofer... i did thst with my 400 watt blown Onkyo subwoofers and it is soooo much better..
Do an EV ETX 18SP tear down and review please
I have these subs and I am pleased with the sound. I am using JBL EON 15in for tops and the sound is awesome. I would recommend these subs to any DJ/Band out there!!
Thanks 4 the tip.
I also have the JBL EON G2 15 monitors was thinking of pairing it with this sub
@@amberrivera9684 I can tell you this you won't go wrong. I've had the subs for awhile now and so far no issues with them.
@@Djvell thank you I am going to purchase one maybe 2 price and quality along with most reviews seen positive
Can you do a teardown and review of the Harbinger Vari 4112
I've blown the factory speaker , the replacement speaker because this speaker is not rated at the right watts. Please do a video for plate disassemble
I blew my speaker recently. where can I get another one?
WOW!!!! Old Polks in the background!!!
so little amp means burn up & fail???
Wonder if you would mind doing a comparison against JBL EON18S? I have both and the Harbingers destroy them. I am having a very hard time with this and would like a second opinion. I know the VARi is rated for a higher peak output, but I would think the JBL's would at least be able to keep up to some extent.
Considering buying it, 299 at g center right now
Good video man can you do a review on Mackie thumps 18 subwoofer please 😎
Hello, excellent video. Question: Between this sub and a Mackie Thumb 18s
we would actually recommend this one instead ua-cam.com/video/iEhFBuuNsak/v-deo.html
I have 2 of these….it’s a decent sub for crowds of under 100. These are extremely easy to clip can’t get past turning it up a quarter of tha way up before it starts to clip. Not truly meant for hip hop at all. Did 3 gigs with them so far. I clipped damn near tha whole night.
You just don't know how to mix ur music. I have the smaller 12 inch harbinger subwoofer. I do dj or band and they blast lots of bass. I run a guitar with 60 heartz bass frequency and no clip at all. No I can imagine this 28 sub will be such of upgrade. BTW with the 12s I can do about 100 people outdoors
Save some $ and go for QSC.
Both my buddies EVs clip early as well. I was able to use 2 ks118 for 400 people before. Have fun!
Sorry for being slow, but what is “clipping “
@@Cj_DaDj334 when your speaker or amplifier pass the max level of volume that they are build for , than the sounds coming out are distorted sounding terrible like broken that means that they no longer receive a sinusoidal wave length but a square one.
@@SuAmigoElilegalI’ve heard the 12 nice and punchy for the price that’s crazy 👌🏾
I know I'm a couple years late the party on watching this, but I'd be interested to know why the reaction to the amp was so negative. What did you see that freaked you out so much? Seems odd to judge an amp on looks alone, no?
Hi Guys please do a test on the Wharfedale AX 15 T-SUB 1400w 700 rms
So it seems that 2 dudes dont reply to any comments.
We do now! The team has grown, as has our ability to chat with each of you. What have we missed that you would like addressed?
I love pa subwoofer is best
Trying to decide between this sub or the rockville rbg 18fa can anyone help ?
This sub does not come with a mounting pole?
Nopee
What are those floor standing speakers behind you with the four mid range speakers per cabinet? Great video. Thank you
Those are Polk audio stereo dimensional array speakers popular in the'80s through early 90s. Those are four six and a half inch woofers couple to a large passive radiator. Interesting design with one woofer in each cabinet being wired out of phase to minimize crosstalk and create a wider Sound Stage. They were considered somewhat radical at the time but a nice sounding speaker nonetheless
Which do you like better? This sub or the Alto TS318S?
Which is better? Vs Alto TS318S?
So this or the alto ts318s?
I'm a DJ and Music Producer and I have an issue, I have this Sub as well as two 12" 2000 watt monitors, a track im about to release is mixed and mastered and all of the frequencies sound great except the E note around 45 HZ. Does anyone notice that the notes around 50-40 HZ are not hitting loudly on this sub?
I know this is an old comment, but did you ever sort out the issue? Would seem that you'd have the issue on multiple sound systems. I'm certain your track would be played on other devices like headphones and mobile devices as well? Certain sounds don't reproduce reliably. I've had kick drums for example that sound great when facing the speakers, but sounds completely different listening on an off axis.
@@slapopimp Hey ya so I realized it was never an issue with the Sub because after playing my track on very big sound systems (including a stadium show I did where I opened for T-Pain) my tracks sounded fine the sub just doesnt hit well under 50hz!
@@MrDabba100 take note that monitoring vs consumer speakers are eqd different, might that is the issue.
What is the break in time??
Just got the V2318S sub today. Took it to practice, immediately broke. White and red light flashing and no sound. So far... Not so good. The manual doesn't even mention this issue.
Power draw doesn't always need to equal power output... look at a QSC K12 power draw vs output for a comparison.
I think you said the output is 134 dB? If that's correct that's a lot of output, equal output to many big name subs.
Yeah we dont think itll do it musically. Maybe a burp or at a set freq? Even then....
Hey, what are you home stereo speakers in the back? (the ones with the 4 mid range drivers)
polks. those are lf drivers coupled to a large passive radiator.
Polk Audio RTA speakers from the mid 1980's. Those speakers were legendary!
I need to get a new. Whoopa. To put it in my box. 18 inch where can I get one?
Parts express has some nice options
I need a phone number to the store to get one. I just need to replace a replacement woofer Speaker hat blowing out I just need 18 inch woofer to put back in the box. If you had the phone number or email to the store. Can you send it please?
Saw this on eBay. It was a new return for 479.00 free ship
It probably was ours😂
@@2DudesAudio lmbo 🤣😂😅
I wouldn't want to be the guy that buys this from the store after its been completely disassembled then returned
Yeah ya wouldn't 🤣
I have this sub. To me it sounded hallow.. and not deep. Do I need to keep playing with the settings or is this how this sub is? Already thinking of returning it and getting an ev elx200 18
I love ev 115p and 118p and I love old ev is best
Watts RMS ??
I am sure this is the only English-speaking video on YT for this sub. I have the EV ELX200 18sp subs, and I can bet that these Harbingers are much better, for $200 less. I'll be heading over to Guitar Center for a trade-in!
I love ev 118p and ev 115p and then I love old ev is best
Update: I did in fact do that trade in, and one of these perform much better than two of the EV’s that I had. Very happy with that trade in!
Is $299 right now at gc
Can’t be lowest I seen this model is 499
Eddy SVT well yes it was. You better check gc’s deal of the day. They do some crazy sh*t
So... where's the second dude?!
Behind the camera lol
@@chazpozzi lmao
returned mine after 2 gigs of testing..don't like the frequency response amp is easy to clip..got the refund and added to purchase a bose f1 subwoofer..twice the price of harbinger but very good quality sounding compact subwoofer..
Yeah we noticed the incredibly touchy gain knob. Almost like the input limit is 500mv not even a full volt. Sloppy job on amplifier. But we liked everything else about it!
@@2DudesAudio hated the clipping level on it,,you can make it sound louder but at a price of frequency around upper 120hz..if you want below 100hz shaky clean low boomy bass,,look somewhere else..i was hoping to get a way with cheap 18 subs but with great quality low frequency power comes a higher price tag
@@camilo8cheryl its goes with the saying. Cost, quality, reliability. Pick any 2.
did f1 sub pound just as hard as harbinger???
@@mfuji02 yes,,more powerful and can hit much lower frequency
B-52
Their guitar cabs are hidden jems
I have them...and they are 🔥🔥🔥😎
I put a 18 rockville sub 1800 w into alto TS18sub box and it pounds..
All for 599.00
You can't judge an amp based on how it looks ... as long as it's properly sealed from the outside it won't make any difference not being closed on the inside, apart from extra convection cooling from air movement .
The alto probably used an enclosed amp module so you can't see the shitty components they used 🤣
It clips to easy I’m going to buy SVS
Did you really read the RMS as 600 watts, but the peak is only 240? That really doesn't make sense.
its 2400 watts
This sub looks like a cheap clone of the more expensive PreSonus Air18s, with an identical looking bass driver, same ported cabinet system but lacks the digital dsp screen and extended frequency response down to 30hz -3db. If you guys can do a teardown of the PreSonus AIR18s sub that would be great.
Yeah, presonus makes some great products!
Wait.. the air18s is -3db at 30hz? Is there any other active PA subs that play that low?? That’s seriously impressive and I’m thinking of buying one
The Avante audio subs are a clone of the air subs and the new pioneer xprs subs are clones of the new mackie thump 18s and 15 🤦🏽♂️💯
itS TERRIBLE FOR MICROPHONE AND VOCALS. The amplifier must be garbage and thanks to you, you have confirmed it.