How Multi-Power works. Part 1
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2021
- Here we go, the first part of how multi-power works. I underestimated how much I wanted to cover in it so it's going to split up into two or maybe even three videos for easier digestibility. Enjoy.
It's not a How To video and don't message me to say that Dual Power was better. Dual power didn't arrive for another ten years or so. Select-O-Speed was a different matter, it was 20 years ahead of its time. But that's a different story.
Fascinating!!
Used massey ferguson for over 40 years and have never had a problem with multi power!!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Randomly recommended to me, I know nothing about tractors but plenty about Land Rovers so I still enjoy seeing how it all works. Looking forward to part 2.
Well I'm glad you are enjoying it. Thanks for watching.
So interesting, thanks very much. I used to drive a 135 and a 165 multi power in the mid 60s. Also had a very scary minute when carting corn and going downhill with multi power out...
Now for part two. Excellent and very informative video, regards, Mal.
Glad you enjoyed it.
I fixed one of these for a man once it was the rings on the main shaft that the pump slid over were worn out. I’m glad you are making these videos I enjoy watching them here in Tennessee!!
Thanks for joining, it's a pleasure to have you along for the ride.
I love these videos, thanks for taking the time to post.
Thank you for taking the time to watch.
Thanks for the lesson and the dry humor. Nicely done.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Very edifying, thank you for sharing, looking forward to the next installment!
Thank you for watching.
Nice! My grandfather had a couple of Massey's, a 180 and a 175, both late 60's. I believe he bought them almost new. My Aunt still runs both tractors on the family farm. Recently its become my role to knock them back in shape..... currently working on the rear axle of the 180. Looks like the Multipower is next on my list, as i understand it, it hasnt worked in years. This will be fun. Thanks for the comprehensive video on the inner workings.
Glad it has been helpful. Keep up the good work that keeps the classics running.
this man makes it looks soo simple. im going to look at it again mystery solved, thanks again
It really is quite simple, but keep watching for part two. Thanks for looking in.
My first job whilst at school, MP on a 135 saved me from a serious accident when towing far too much NITRAM up a hill with a articulated trailer, there was no way I could change down using the clutch, but MP came to the rescue :)
Thanks for watching. I hope the next part is interesting.
Thanks for part one. Looking forward to part two.
As I remember MP in high wouldn't roll back on a slope either and gave them a higher top speed than non MP?
Other than non MP135s I grew up around Ford's but had a poster of the MF3000 range on my wall, never driven one but always wanted one. Perhaps after the MP videos you could make one on the differences of datatronic and autotronic?
Cheers
That's correct, it was designed to lock up so you could not roll back on slopes. I'll explain why in the next video I hope. Thanks for watching.
Thank you Sir for these videos!!! Keep on teaching us!
Thanks for taking an interest.
Brilliant video.. very well explained. Your videos are a real help in my 165 restoration.. 👍
Glad to be of use.
No eye gouging or ear drum piercing here. I have always liked this kind of thing and looking forward to seeing part 2.
Well thanks for watching, I'm relieved that you didn't need to mutilate yourself after watching 🙂
Great video, thanks for your time and effort, I do happen to like Fords but I love Massey’s
They're all good really. Thanks for watching.
Great well explained video with no lord muck interfering!!!!
I'm sure he'll turn up before too long. Thanks for watching.
Be intresting to understand the inner workings of the multi power gearbox as at 18 didn't have a clue just got in and drove it. Now at 56 it's intresting thanks Fud look forward to the next instalment.... don't upset mucker 😁
I hope I can get past two up next weekend if possible. Thanks for watching.
Good day from Ontario Canada . Boy interesting video. So you are saying this is one of the most simple powershift. Thanks
It really is. Part three will be out soon. Thanks for watching.
Very interesting nice vid , luv in the banter between the blue & red 🤣👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it. I don't really hate Fords, I like all classic machinery, but I do like winding Lord Muck up.
Finding this really fascinating you would make a good teacher of mechanics we had a 1961 MF 65 MP I thought it worked well fast on the road too ps 3080s are a nice machine 👍
Thanks for watching. Glad you are enjoying it. I'll get another 3085 one day, lovely ploughing tractor.
A inquisitive farmer friend of my fathers experimented with various Massy parts years ago to make faster road speeds for some of his tractors, He had a mk two 65 with 35 axle trumpets fitted, ( no reduction gears apparently),so approx 30mph.Later on he did the same to a multi power version and with the help of a local mf mechanic achieved 38-40 mph, quite simply alarming in the early 1970s.its great you are doing this and obviously know your Fergs 👍🏁 PS, I think he had MF 1250 multi power gears in one of his variants, and was still buggering about with 590s and 690s years later .
That was the great thing about these old Masseys, they were like Meccano, lots of parts could be adapted to fit other models quite easily. thanks for watching.
My brother's had muilty power I didn't know much about it. I think you have explained it quite well. For me anyway I would listen to you all night.😀
Well thank you for watching, I'll try to get part two up next week.
very interesting. Many thanks!
Thanks for watching, I hope to have part two up this weekend.
Good stuff Clarence, will for sure be back for the next one👍🙂
Glad you are enjoying it.
Great timing, just came from Muckers video on the Ford 7810. Very interesting video. Can't wait for Part 2. Was the reason Massey went with that design down to patents on epicyclics used by International and/or others for gear splitting?
It was a part of the decision, but there were other factors too. More next time 🙂
Nice job breaking all the myths surrounding the multi-power. Cheers
Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy the next part.
this is a very good technical video
Thank you, I am glad you enjoyed it.
Sempre tive curiosidade de saber como era o multi Power, aqui no Brasil o modelos mf 65 não tinham esse recurso, somente um ano que saíram com câmbio de 4 marchas a frente. Um abraço.
Hello from southern Victoria Austrlaia. The first tractor I drove was a Massey Ferguson 135 Multipower, I loved driving it, I found that the Multipower gave you faster road speed, I would sit on 40kmh / 25mph on the road where as the Ferguson 35 petrol we had would only do 15mph / 30kmh, at the time in my area in the early 80s our tractor was the fastest on the road all the others like David brown, Fords etc where so slow.
They did benefit from a slightly higher top speed than the non-Multi-Power models. Made them more fun to drive too. Thanks for watching.
Interesting video. My old 590 multi power never worked, no idea why and I never looked into it. Loved the 3080 comment, I’ve never driven a 3080 i nearly bought one but was told to avoid the A-B gearbox. So I found a 3095 dynashift instead. Which is a great old thing.
I had a 3085 Dynashift for years, selling it was a big mistake. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
Would have to agree, always love any 3000 series !! But still miss my mate's 7495🙂👍
I always regret selling my 3085. With hindsight should have kept it. Use a Tier 2 6465 now which is great too, but different. Thanks for watching.
Wow thats some cool stuff 👍
Glad you think so. Thanks for watching.
Before getting the answer by looking on the second video in the series, I’m going to say that the needle bearings that replace plain bushes on the cross shafts are what is different to the 100 series. I seem to remember this being a feature added to the 500 series when it was introduced in 1975.
I'm pretty sure you are right on the bearings. Thanks for watching,
Very interesting loved the 3080 comment 👌
Glad you watched to the end. Thanks.
Very interesting good video. Iv got a 590 and the mp has been disconnected. Looking forward to your next one 👍
Would be interesting to find out why. Thanks for watching.
Interesting so far
Thanks for watching, I'll try to maintain the standard.
I had a 65multipower in the 1960s and I can only say it was a joy to drive at that time, I ploughed, tilled and sowed with it until we moved up to a 178 multiplier. Then a 188, a 390T, a 5455 but have changed to McCormic in recent years because of local dealership. Thanks for the video Mate, it brings me back to my youth 👍
Glad you enjoyed it. 178 was a lovely machine.
You have certainly gone backwards
Mucker was eyeing up the weight contribution that box would add to the Christmas scrap fund. Might be best to chain it to the floor until reinstallation 🚜👌🤔🙈
I'll have to put it somewhere he can't find it. Thanks for watching.
Hatte einen MF 188 MP ,durch den Freilauf auf Stellung nieder war der Traktor gerade im Grünland eine Katastrophe.Auf Stellung Hoch zu schnell,auf Stellung nieder und bergab gings nur mit Fußbremse , außerdem sehr Reparaturanfällig, Getriebe,Bremse ,Lenkung .
Just wondering was the Multipower only availiable in the 3 speed or was it also in the 4 speed too? All of the 100 series had either 12 speed multipower in the 3 speed box or just a seperate 4 speed box, they are faster on the road too.
The Multi-Power gearbox was a little faster on the road than the plain three speed, but it was never offered on the four-speed because there just wasn't room inside the casting for a fourth gear and multi-power as well. Thanks for watching.
Great explanation of the system 👍I drove a 595 multi which was a flyer 😁 then went to a 2640 our farm road end actually came out on to the main road on a bit of a slope an with the 595 look both ways approaching road end drop the multi an send it up the hill 💪💪 2640 approaching road end drop the multi an head butt the windscreen 🙄😳🤬🤬🤣
Glad you enjoyed it. Part 2 should be out on Friday.
was the 595 2wd
@@anthony342 yes it was 👍
I was never exposed to Massey’s, but on your previous videos mentioning multipower I was hoping you would explain it and you can ramble on all you want. Better to give excess information instead of not enough. I chuckled when you said Ford was struggling with the wheel and John Deere strapped a stationary engine to the wheel. I was raised on a Farmall H and 460 while most the neighbors had Green. When helping them I admit that I was impressed that the 2 cylinder John Deere had if I remember correctly 6 forward gears versus the Farmall H having only 5 and C only 4. I’ll be watching for next video.
Thanks for watching, I do like an old Farmall, but unfortunately not that common over here. Do you ever watch Squatch253's channel?
Yes, he’s actually only about 6 hours from me. Have you seen Kyle Christ channel? He has an Allis crawler he bought from a friend of mine. Allis crawlers are probably almost none existent by you.
We did get a surprising number of Allis A, B, K, M and U models over here, most came over as part of the Lend-Lease plan during the war and there are a few still around. I'd really like a K or M one day.
How about Cockshutt and Oliver, many of those around. I mention Cockshutt as I have a Co-op E3 (rebadged Cockshutt 30) which my father bought new in 53. I always liked it. Nice nimble little tractor, live power and creeper gear. I’d enjoy seeing you or Lord Muck find and restore a Cockshutt. I haven’t run mine in over 10 years, needs water pump and exhaust manifold. One of my many projects in waiting.
We never had Cockshutt here at all that I have seen, we had a few Olivers though and also some Olivers sold in the US were re-badged David Brown that were made in England. Oliver 500 and Oliver 600 I think. Lord Muck is the David Brown expert.
Great video sorry being late
No problem, glad you made it.
ALSO With a kidd double chop forage harvester. Mind you she was under pressure with that.
Thanks again. Good to hear it properly explained. Roll on the next video. Don’t wish to be annoying but …….. didn’t the blue oval tractor have that unique transmission which soon earned the name select a jerk !
The only thing wrong with select-O-speed was the way it was sold and the clutch adjustments in the service manual were incorrect. If correctly set up, it was as smooth as a baboon's bottom. 😁
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Agreed. I have a force 5000 with it and it’s not bad . Does seem to be quite noisy. Probably age related. 😊 sounds like you know a bit about them.
I have seen a couple over the years...
Jerkamatic we knew it as.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Had a tichy little Clutch pedal too , perfect for me when I was ten as it took virtually no effort to operate,inching pedal I think Ford called it.🤔
It's not jalapeno Ricky it's halapeenoooo
Joking aside, looking forward to part 2. Great video
Thanks for watching, in the next episode, you'll see that multi-power isn't rocket appliances, and when it runs away on a hill, it's just survival of the fitness.
Would that be His Lordship doing a bit on the haybob at the start??…..keep up the good work Mr Fudd there be no eye gouging going on here …..don’t forget to give that cut a good rub on your overalls can’t have it going all septicky and making a mess on the spanner’s
You wouldn't catch him on an old 135, nowhere to park the dog 🙂
It's dried up a bit now, I find 30 year old hydraulic oil and clutch dust are a great antiseptic. It'll teach me not to be lazy and fetch a longer extension when I need it. Thanks for watching.
Ich bin Jahrgang 65 und bin mit MF und dem Multi - Power Getriebe groß geworden und hatte nie Probleme mit dem MP weil ich auf den Empfehlungen der MF Händler eingegangen bin und dieses MP Getriebe im sehr schonend behandelt habe Mein MF 188 mit MP Bj. 72 läuft heute noch wie ein Uhrwerk MfG aus Ostfriesland Deutschland
I've run a few multi power tractors they're nice but I never care to own one personally I always rack my brain back then even to this what would it take to convert a 1080 or 1085 to regular 4spd transmission
In terms of bolt patterns on the flanges, it would be quite simple. I'm not sure that output shaft would match though. I think from memory the 1080 had a slightly larger one
Did the MF 35 have multy Power All most sure it had🤔, very interesting vedio 👍👍
If my memory is correct, multi-power was standard on the 35x. I may be wrong, I often am.
I have a question i have massey 175 with 236 perkins engine i want put 318 perkins on so does it fit in ?
Technically it can be made to fit, the bolt pattern etc. is the same, but why replace a 236 with a 318? The 318 is a poor engine that is prone to top end problems, and there are not many good ones around. Additionally it doesn't have a stressed block so you would need side rails. In my opinion you would be better off looking at the various options for fitting a turbo to the 236 if you need more power, it is a far superior motor.
Thanks a lot i like your videos so much
do you know much on fords duel power think it might have been a epicyclic
Dual Power is an epicyclic under-drive, in many ways similar to International TA. It was simple and reliable.
clutch shaft needle bearing instead of a bush?
Well spotted and you are very close, but not quite there.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel clutch shaft uses the upper holes on the 100 series?
Got it! Brake cross shaft in the lower holes. Well done!
great job .. I have MF 175 british model the massey is a never ending love ! can you activate the arabic translate on your videos please ?
Thanks for watching. I will start working on my 175 soon. I have checked through my options and I don't have any way to add Arabic translations at the moment. I will keep working on it and hopefully get it working soon.
It’s time there was a 3080/85 in that shed 😍🤣🤣
There was once, it was my main baling tractor for years, I very much regret selling it. Thanks for watching.
Ahh but could a 380 or the 7810 make my dad vault over the fence and given Christie a run for the 100m sprint down to the yard without spilling his coffee like an International B414 in that era, I think not though it probably was more down to the driver
Maybe not. Those are very specific measurements you have there. Were they part of the Nebraska tests or the NIAE?
Multi p. on my 35 x too,year ?
UK made ones were 1956 to 64 I think
The 698 had half a gear, not MP. three gear sticks in the floor
Well this gearbox came out of a 698 and it had been there since the factory, and the 698T I used to drive had MP too.
We had a 565 with multipower , my dad tied the lever in the middle because he didnt want us to knock it by accident
Thanks for watching.
must have been working the tractor hard before the video ......the temp guage is well up ............
I'll be looking at that soon 🙂. Thanks for watching.
3080 wise words
Congratulations on making it to the end ☺️. Thanks for watching.
3080 all the way 😉
Ah yes! A man of taste clearly.
I remember my first experience with Multi-Power, and it wasn't nice. Some stone baked flapjack told me "If you need less speed, just drop the Multi-Power" - Right! So I was being sent to rotavate the back field, the field with a dirty great deep ditch across the end of it.
This was where things went awry - There was a patch of heavy, knotty land at the bottom of the field. I needed less speed. Slower forward motion would give the rotavator more time to work up a finer tilth - Not with Multi-Power it didn't!
That old Massey took off like a startled rabbit 🐰! Just like the one in the decal, and I'd just let the little bugger escape, with me on its back, and we were heading straight toward that ditch at warp factor nine. It was a bit of a scramble, but I just managed to get that thing under control before taking a dip. I do believe I made a new gate hole in that hedge, though! - Let's just say that flapjack back in the yard got a good ear bashing when I got back home.
I mean, fancy sending out a 17 year old novice on an MF 165, with a word of advice like "If you need less speed, drop the Multi-Power".
What? No mention of Olivers, shame
Unfortunately we don't have many over here. I'd love a 1950T in the shed though.
Amazing what "faults" are nothing more than operator errors. Shed blood sweat n tears on this 1😂. Between u n mukka I can't win u go bashing my love of blue an he goes bashing my love of red. I'm not admitting to either of you which I love more
Don't tell Lord Muck but I just like classic machinery, and while I worked a lot with the red stuff over the years, it's all good and colour doesn't really matter. but all the while it winds him up, I'm up for it 😂
Think that's true of any true machine nut. We all have our favourites and are favourite past time is winding each other up. I find the topic of straight pipes a good solid topic for mukka
Hello nice lady...
Do you come here often?
@@ClarenceFudWeasel no but I've got fairly excited just over there once or twice
I thought I stepped in something.
3080 ...............same laser 110 would be up there also ............!
It's a classic definitely. I'd like a bit of orange and blue in the shed.
Ps, the 178 multipower was lovely with a New Holland 378 baler.
Argh he's got a boo boo :D
It's four bolts I said. I don't need to lean over and get a longer extension, I said. I was wrong.
Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel :D been there