Best Value Low-profile GPU? (T600 vs RX 6400)
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- The T600 is one of my favourite GPUs. of all time. But there's a new contender in the low-profile entry-level GPU space. Is the 6400 xt the new KING of the BUDGET GPUs? Well, I dunno, maybe... Let's find out!
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RX 6400 Review & Test: • The RX 6400 is an AWES...
T600 Review & Test: • This cheap RTX GPU is ...
T600 vs 1650 vs 1050 ti: • Nvidia T600: The new b...
God of War on the T600: • GOD OF WAR on Nvidia T...
T600 SFF Optiplex build: • The BEST budget Optipl...
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~ CHAPTERS ~
00:00 The new Low-profile king?
00:23 I love the T600!
01:23 The all-new RX 6400
02:37 Which one is the better value?
03:06 GPU SMACKDOWN!
03:57 Test setup
04:24 Shadow of the Tomb Raider
05:49 The Witcher 3
06:59 GTA 5
07:52 God of War
09:11 Cyberpunk 2077
10:15 Which one wins?
11:17 We're not done though!
12:38 Conclusion
13:48 What do you think?
#RX6400 #nvidiaT600 #T600 #lowprofile #pcgaming #budgetgaming #gamingPC #gpu - Наука та технологія
We need more of these low profile graphics card videos
The exact comparison which most people were looking for.
I suggest you also make a video comparing both the gpus in some content creation tests as well. Like time taken in exporting 3d renders, edited video projects, and game projects, etc.
This will help those people who are just going to start their content creation journey.
That's a great idea for a video! I know that the 6400 won't do well, the T600 is MADE for workstation tasks like rendering and editing. But it would be cool to see how they stack up.
Indeed, especially to see if rx 6400's more raw power wins, or t600's special drivers.
OooOOo been waiting for this!!! thank you techdweeb!
Hooray! The video I've been waiting for.
Been waiting for this video from your last upload
Great review - by insisting on the main benefits & use of these cards, as opposed to other channels.
Thanks for video and I am green with envy for rx6400 compared to my t600!
yeah but your T600 can stream with OBS and run SolidWorks. Fast transcodes with Handbrake. :) Unless you don't care about that. If you're just trying to game, yeah.
I would be interested in a tear down of both of these cards. I have owned the T600 for about 6 months and overall I've been pretty satisfied with the performance, but I disliked that the factory condition of the card was sub par. In my case, which, assuming from what I've seen and heard from others, applies to the T600 in general - one of the four memory modules didnt have any thermal putty, one had it but didnt contact the cooler in any way, the thermal paste application on the die was so-so and the factory fan curve was heavily focused on low noise. This, combined with the fact the card begins throttling above 70 °C (clocks drop by around 3% starting at 70 based on my own furmark testing) leads to reduced performance and possibly shorter lifespan unless you are willing to tweak it. Another thing the potential buyers should be aware of is that at 100% fan speed (around 6500 rpm if I remember correctly) the card is extremely noisy, sitting well above 50 dBA, although this is just the nature of the beast for these small form factor cards.
Yeah I've heard mixed reactions regarding the T600. Some people say they have thermal pad issues, and some say it's fine. I suspect that my model is fine because it doesn't seem to run too hot and the fan definitely isn't what I'd call loud. There are different vendors but they all seem to use the exact same cooler, so maybe there is some variation between brands. I'll consider making a teardown vid.
I also got a T600 recently and think it's great but couldn't stand the noise coming from the fan on it. What I did was get an old GT 430 that had a passive heatsink and moved that over to the T600. The trick is very few cards have screw holes that line up with the spacing of the T600. Some of the 430s, a few other Quadros, and a low profile GTX 650 from Zotac were the only cards I found with heatsinks that lined up fine and fit with all the capacitors on the T600's board. The model I got was an Asus GT 430 DirectCU.
The heatsink makes it the size of a full slot GPU, but I was willing to have that trade off. I put some proper thermal pads over the memory chips also when installing it. I then put a 120mm fan blowing directly on it and its been running well since. Of course if you do find another card to salvage a cooler from, double check to make sure it will fit OK first.
Highly anticipated video! I was not expecting such a gulf in average FPS. On Amazon in the US there's roughly a $80 difference in the price between these two GPUs right now. If you're just gaming, and you have pci-e 4, it's no contest.
How was the set up for this card? Are the drivers smooth? I still have PTSD from ATI/AMD drivers a decade ago...
The T-600 has served me well, and I'm 99% sure my Optiplex doesn't have 4.0, so I guess I'll just stick with what I have. That's gotta be the norm, right? None of the affordable SSFs sold as office refurbs are going to have PCI-E 4.0.
I was actually pleasantly surprised by the drivers. Setup was easy, worked perfectly, overlay comes up easily in-game without any glitching or performance issues, and the extra features like custom resolutions and RSR worked first try.
Yeah if you have a T600 in a 3.0 system then just stick with that, the performance difference won't be big enough to justify the upgrade. Hopefully this is the start of a new era of SFF GPUs and we'll get something even better in the near future.
Nice video, just wanted to know what the temps for the rx 6400 were in the air flow restrictive dell optiplex case you used in your other video on the rx 6400. Thanks
Thanks for making this comparison! Now I'm super satisfied in buying the rx 6400. Hope you make a video with it in your optiplex
Looking at eBay today, the prices of both these GPUs have risen since this video was published. Cards like the 1650 are cheaper, but I don't know what the FPS/$ comparison would be today. Might be interesting to redo this analysis based on current market prices.
the 6400 is cheaper than 1650 in my country.
I live in america in ohio and am currently looking, the rx 6400 is around $130-$150 on ebay and amazon, the rx 550 is $89.99 on amazon and the 1650 is $150+ on ebay
12 percetages trades for hardware encoding/decoding and 2 monitor outputs. I stay with my T600 :D Thank for you video!
nice comparison. wonder how they would do in the small form factor pc's? not sure what my PCIe x 16 slot is in my sff lol. its an optiplex 3020 sff with a black PCIe x 16. is that only 2.0 lol?
I'm pretty sure the SFF 3020 is 2.0. I have no idea how much performance you'd lose on a 2.0 system but the one video I saw on the subject by RandomGamingInHD showed that you can still use it and get a good gaming experience on 2.0 systems. No matter what GPU you get you'll probably be held back by the processor anyways so I don't think the PCIe thing will be the limiting factor tbh.
This should finally answer a few questions.
3:50 I was reminded of Spaceballs: The Movie. Thought you were gonna make the cards make out...
I totally didn't do that as soon as I stopped filming...
RX6400- new king of OEM gaming build. BUT let's all hope the GPU pricing chaos will go away so we don't have to buy these weaking GPUs.
Agreed!
Only a budget king if you are using PCIE gen 4x4
Weaking? You mean rx 6400 and 1650 from Nvidia are wearing? You still can play with mid-high settings with it!
Did you already make the video with RX 6400 and a sff computer? I'm using HP EliteDesk 800 G2 sff with 200 watt max psu and need to choose between this card ,that I prefer, to the T400 but I am not sure if the psu can handle it.
I musst say Thank you for the Video and conparisson! I would like to Upgrade, but 12% boost on my PCIe 3 4th gen CPU doesn't make much sense, so I will Stick with my T600 for now. Can you check or tell me, if you can overclock the RX 6400 and get more Performance if you have PCIe 3? Thanks 😉
Good question! I haven't tried yet but I've heard it's locked down and not overclockable, but I'll see if I can find a way to do it the next time I have it in my system.
great review Quagmire !!
Giggity
I wand to buy the rx 6400 for my dell optiplex 3060 sff but my psu is 200w 😢 you think it will be ok ? Or you suggest me the t600?
Yup, I think the 6400 should be fine.
Thingking about picking RX 6400 either RX 6500 XT rn. Both of them sitting around 200 and 265 usd in my country. The GTX 1650 still kinda overpriced here. For my Ryzen 3 3200G rig, which one is better for me? The pcie 4.0 limitation always haunt me every night lol. Great video btw!
I think the 6400 is the better value compared to the 6500 xt, at least at msrp. The 6500 xt is about 15% more powerful than the 6400, but it's usually priced about 30% higher. But just go with whichever will give you the performance you're looking for at what you want to spend! The PCIe 3 vs 4 issue isn't that big of a deal, IMO.
Another good point, if you already have the T600, you could buy an RX6400 to game and use the T600 EXCLUSIVELY for encode for Plex or as a dedicated streaming card or workstation card in the same rig. Or you could pop out your T600 and cram it in an old PC and build a media server for your household. You could build a second PC for your younger family member who really wants to get into PC gaming, but can't afford to build. There are so many things you can do with an extra GPU. It's just nice to have options in the market at this price point.
Yeah I was thinking about that earlier today actually. I might give that a test and make a vid if it would be interesting.
Never thought I'd see quagmire comparing gpus
Literally thought to myself "t600 vs rx 6400" half an hour ago while looking at "cheap" gpu prices on my local market and seeing them both tied. Came to YT and loved the fact that I have a dude checking the very same thing in detail like a month ago. :) Thank you very much! So actually in the end, they both have strong use cases and they actually arent bad. T600 4 display outs + all the encoding/decoding stuff and all the nvidia jazz combat nicely with rx 6400 15-40% stronger showing in gaming. But if you only game with your shitty low end oem bucket and a gt 710 in it its a no brainer to go for rx 6400, even with the pcie 3.0 since getting a new pcie 4.0 oem bucket and moving the gpu will literally net you a gpu upgrade lol. Thank you once again and keep content like this coming pls!
Thanks buddy, glad it was helpful. And I agree with your synopsis!
Would like to see the T600 head to head with an overclocked gtx 680. T600 should perform the same except using way less energy and having double the vram.
I upgraded an old desktop for my father in law today so he could play some drone simulation. I picked the rx6400 for its specs compared to its price. I tried some games to test it quickly and was really surprised by the performance. A very nice pick for casual gamers or gamers on a budget.
Totally!
well hello there, i saw your video and I just had to watch it, I'm running a SFF With a nvidia g-force-gt730 with 2gb, do you think that the RX640 would be a better card- I want to play-DAYZ But but my 730 is not good enough
👍 great Man
Nailed it
Do you think that an i7 6700 with 32 gigabytes of RAM and the RX 6400 will give me good results in emulation as well as in not very demanding games?
Hi, I was going to buy the rx6400 for a lowprofile config, but also doing 3D printing in addition to gaming, I hesitate for the blender software. I don't know if there is a difference. He wants a card for the game but that can also hold the blender 3D. the 6400 is enough for the blender?
Requirements for Blender are the same as gaming, as long as it's a relatively modern GPU with updated drivers. The 6400 should perform just fine in Blender.
Yeah this site is a godsend for those of us building decent pcs from existing machines like dell optiplexes etc. I'm on a mission to upgrade mine to its max potential on the existing board with th3 existing 200 watt Power supply. Currently I have an i5 9500, rx6400 and 16gb ram. But I think I may switch to the nvidia t1000, coupled with an i7 9900 which is just a swap out on the same board. All this would comfortably fit under the 200 watt power constraints.
Haha I love it! Pushing a system to the max. I don't know that you'd get much better performance from a T1000 though. The T1000 is approx 20% better than the T600. Maybe since you're on a PCIe 3.0 system it would be similar, but the T1000 is a pretty steep price if you're only using it for gaming. If you need it for workstation stuff that's a different story of course.
I think T1000 is too exensive than the T600 and the performance isn't too much more.
It's been many years since my last PC build, think phenom II/Radeon 4850. I was waiting till payday to grab a 6400 but I found a sale for 6500XTs. $2 more than the 6400 you're benchmarking. 😀 It will still come in cheaper, with shipping than an upline 6400. I hope they don't run out of stock before the 20th. 🤞 Now I play the waiting game. Thanks for all your honest opinions. I was convinced long ago but I'm adamant now.
Nice! That's a steal if it's about the same price. Good luck buddy 🤞
I love ur videos , i really wait for you to upload new videos....
Keep it up bro.....
Thanks buddy! More to come!
@@TechDweeb we'll be waiting
I have an i7-9700 optiplex 7070 sff and I dont game. I have a 32inch 4k hdrr monitor and all I do on this pc is browse the internets and watch movies. Which single slot low profile gpu do you guys recommend? thx 4 the vid, btw
Any of them really. Even a GT 710 can handle internets & 4k movies. That's probably the one I'd choose.
@@TechDweebthx for your reply. I can get a t600 for 75eur(82usd), so that would be a good choice? Will take a look at the 710 too
Mate you should do sff comparison of these both gpus and also emulation performance on them
I'm definitely going to do a sff build with the 6400, but I'm going to use a different sff PC just for variety. And I'm definitely going to do an emulation video on it.
@@TechDweeb great newz
@@TechDweeb pretty please!
Is rx6400 still better on pci gen 3? And of not what is? Gtx 1650? Or t600?
I know I might be late, but would it be possible for you to make comparison between T600, T1000 and RX 6400 together?
Or at least T600 vs T1000 or RX 6400 vs T1000.
anyway, amazing work!
Keep it goin :D
Thanks buddy!
As for the T1000... Probably not gonna happen. I don't think the T1000 is (or ever was) a good value as a gaming GPU, at least in terms of FPS/$ you'd get. Not like the T600. IMO.
@@TechDweeb hah, I wanted to ask because I got the "old" Lenovo M330 Tiny out of my work that I am repairing - 8th/9th gen CPU (right now i5-9400T), 2x8GB 2666 Sodimss and 1x 512GB NVMe from micron.
And since it is literaly a 1L mini workstation, it came out with Quadro P400 - i used a P620 i used as "service card" in my place, but because i am a bit lacking the money i was thinking which card should i just go for with that - T600, T1000 or RX 6400, only thing with RX 6400 that kinda blockes me from getting is, is lacking of proper A/O shield- that lenovo came out with custom A/O shield for 4x Mini DP to quadros will fit well, but for RX 6400 i would have to do some weird tweaking :
Putting together a tiny build around a Lenovo M920Q Tiny for my partner. I have seen a few builds using a RX 6400 and it seems perfect for this
I put a t1000 in my M720q. It has a i7 8700T. Runs pretty good for a little 1ltr tiny pc.
You save my life, I have a I7 8700, 16gb RAM and just a GT 1030 2GB GDDR5, I looking for a new GPU for a long time and I was looking for a T600, because the GTX1650 is too long, maybe RX6400's heatsinc is also long, but I guess get put it into my PC case, Lenovo M920s is too fuckink short.
I always have Nvidia GPU and I don't know what say about this RX6400 but these test answered me.
EDIT: My system is PCiE 3.0
I just bought a rx 6400 for my optiplex 9010. I have a feeling that it will probably be a good 900p gaming pc with RSR. As long as i get 60 fps with medium settings i am happy.
Yup, I think it'll work good for you.
yeah i have a case swapped optiplex 390 (technically) and i bought the rx 6400 and it works very good i have an i5 2320 and it only bottlenecks in cpu bound games but in games like apex theres almost no bottleneck and 90+ fps high settings.
@@yacquubfarah6038 i got it yesterday and no regrets. now I understand that cpu intensive games there is no work around but i am happy. in case that you play apex what are your settings?
@@pitochu19 when i mean high settings i only turn up the 4 visual settings at the bottom to high. max settings (turning up literally everything i see) i get 65-70.
Thanks for this comparison video. I was wondering how much faster the RX 6400 was than the T600, so its good to have an answer. Even though the 6400 is faster, I would probably still pick the T600 if I was buying a card today. My motherboard is PCI-E 3.0, so the difference wouldn't be as big as 4.0. Plus I would actually use monitor connectors beyond just 2 and run programs that use OpenGL, which is supported far better on Nvidia.
The 6400 is still appealing though as I have given thought to making a console replacement system once Steam OS 3.0 is released and has most of the bugs worked out. Right now all the features seem to work best with AMD since thats what the Steam deck uses for an APU, so a 6400 would be perfect for a small low profile case to put next to the TV.
That's a good way to do it. Get the T600 if you have needs beyond gaming. It's the much more capable GPU overall. The 6400 will come down in price quite a bit in the months to come I suspect
there is a 55% opengl performance boost with the latest amd drivers idk if nvidia is still ahead 🤷♂️
@@TechDweeb nope, T600 and T400 are way up there, never mind the T1000. I'm in the US and the RX6400 is the only one that makes sense. But even its price hasn't moved since launch. The SFF market is at a standstill.
I got the RX 6400 in the PC that i use for emails and internet watch movies on, i need the HDMI for my TV has the T600 got HDMI if not what cables and screen do you use ?
The T600 only has mini displayport, but you can use an adapter to get hdmi from that. That's what I use.
@@TechDweeb I am not sure i would get a T600 the price here in the UK is alot, the RX 6400 in the HP Z240 Small Form Factor i i use fits under the 75-inch TV. I am playing a catch up last time i built a PC was 20 years ago.
For that 15% performance do we need pcie 4.0 m.2 ssd or both(Pcie 4.0 motherboard and pcie 4.0 m.2 ssd)?
I'm bit confused 🥺
That's just referring to the speed of the PCIe slot that the GPU is plugged into. The m.2 PCIe speed doesn't affect fps.
@@TechDweeb ohk...so it will work same on gen 3 m.2 ssd and hdd
i bought the gpu and i still dont get this amount of fps can you please make an optimization vid
Some say that rx6400 stutters alot in pcie 3.0
Depending on the game.
Is this true?
Im planning to put one on my dell optiplex 7010 sff i7 3770.
I wouldn't say it stutters, but you will get less performance in some games (some it doesn't matter though). On average it's about 15% less performance in PCIe 3.0
@@TechDweeb you're so responsive in the comments section . And whenever I read your reply I can hear your voice hahaha
Thanks! Will still buy the rx6400 for my mini pc because of the price
Good video. It's impressive how you can do the voice for every video. Gigglebytes and meglehertz is why we are here.
Come for the GPUs, stay for the gigglebytes 🤓
@@TechDweeb t shirt idea
What if we boost the frequency of t600 and keeping same temperature just like stock.
Will it give performance close to rx 6400?
Because I see on reddit that some users use t400 and tweek it from msi afterburner and it gives 20-25 extra fps at 900p😀.
(Don't matter if the lifespan of t600 goes reduced 😁).
Awesome video 😍...
I haven't found any way to overclock the T400 or the T600. The options are locked down in MSI afterburner and Nvidia inspector. I've heard that you can create a custom vbios to allow overclocking though. I haven't tried it but I might.
@@TechDweeb ok .....plzzz do this if this work then make video plzz
I love my little T400, and only uses 30W, great for a budget i3 alder lake Dell. It also has hardware encoding for Twitch streaming.
Totally! I'm glad I still have my T400 to play with. Until we get anything cheaper from AMD, the T400 is still the best way to get up and gaming on the bare minimum budget, and it has good extra features like 8x PCIe, encoding, and 3 displayports.
@@TechDweeb I play Path of Exile, Grim Dawn and Dead by Daylight and they work great, not to mention the Hardware encoding takes the load off the CPU when streaming on Twitch.
I found out through my own experience of dealing with this but in most cases almost all the streaming applications by default picks software encoding over hardware encoding, and this is for a actual legitimate reason, and that is using the hardware encoding requires a high bitrate, a very insane high bitrate. But for recording hardware encoding actually is better than software but the same streaming applications almost always pick software encoding over hardware. So most streamers that don't know this are actually using software encoding, also a lot of additional functions and features will not work on hardware encoding vs software encoding of these applications such as filters and such. In most cases the hardware encoding is almost never used, reviewers are out of touch with this or intentionally leave this information out of their reviews, which almost makes me think they are biased or something for a brand that has made open threats to them or something. I think they might be afraid of losing their free graphics cards or something because that totally never happened.
I had a doubt regarding the encoding of the RX6400-
So, if we get a 10400f with Rx 6400, will i be able to record and stream (Valorant)
btw great content dude !!!, I feel you are the best tech GPU channel, genuine benchmarks, entertaining, satisfying tests!!
Just love your content !!
Thanks buddy!
Yeah I suspect that a 10400f will be just fine for encoding. Maybe in SOME more CPU intensive games you'd get a bit of recording/streaming stuttering, but I have a hard time believing that any game would let the 10400f be a bottleneck with a 6400 in the system.
Go for the 11400f since it supports pcie4.0 104000f only supports 3.0 so it will bottleneck the gpu
@@adityadas5820 Thank you so mauch for your Suggestions,
The thing which you replied me, I was thinking the same to go for 11400f cuz it supports PCI gen 4
@@TechDweeb Thank you Dude !! I think I should go with 11400f cuz it supports PCI gen 4 !!
You ought to get the non-F CPU, so that you can use the Intel iGPU's QuickSync encoder
All that needs to happen now is the real heavyweight test of these gpus. The rx6400 vs nvidia t1000. Also, anyone purchasing the rx6400 be aware that the drivers aren't amazing yet. Probably because it's a new device. Rx6400 doesn't play to nicely with emulation like dolphin, cemu etc.
Oh that would be an awesome comparison! I bet the T1000 would win in terms of performance but definitely not in terms of value, it's pretty pricey for the gaming performance you get.
@@TechDweeb can you run an emulators test with the rtx640?
@@ogzapatah I can tell you now (as I own the rx6400) that there is something wrong with the drivers. Normal pc games, ther3 doesn't seem to be an issue. But emulators are having issues when you switch from windowed to fullscreen in that performance absolutely tanks. I've tried the same card in two different builds, same issue across both. This will probably be ironed out in future drivers but right now uts not great for emulation. Its fine if all you want is up to ps1, dreamcast, psp etc. But ps2, dolphin, cemu is where the issues lie
@@TechDweeb so do it! You still have both cards, right? What are you waiting for, an engraved invitation?
I'd personally like to see this done with an Optiplex 3020 SFF so I can see exactly what I'd be getting (H81 chipset = PCIe 2.0). I know that usually video cards are tested with way overkill CPUs so they're not the bottleneck... but I want to see real world performance in a less-than-optimal situation. Say, an i5-4590. ;) Will it bottleneck? Will the RX 6400 take enough of a hit because of PCIe version to lose to the T1000? Will it stutter? How much does NVENC impact performance? Etc... c'mon, I've been wanting to see this since the RX 6400 came out.
The price difference is unreal, though - almost $200 in the USA; totally not worth it unless the T1000 is faster. And then maybe still not worth it, depending on your needs. The RX 6400 almost certainly stomps it in value (frames/sec per $). Still, the features of the T1000 are nice... especially for professional apps (which I'd like to see as well; never explored this) but for game streaming, maybe an external capture box + RX 6400 is the better idea?
I almost feel like that the RX6400 could be a perfect card for those wanting to build a Batocera PC.
Just to get those graphics upscale on PS1 all the way to the Gamecube.
Kinda curious about how it would perform on very well optimized VR titles like Beat Saber.
And when i say very well optimized, my GTX680 is able to play Beat Saber without breaking a sweat.
should I get this graphics cards or spend an extra 75usd to get a gtx 1650 non super?
The RX 6400 is more powerful than a GTX 1650, so if you don't care about encoding or streaming, then that's the best bang-for-the-buck.
Какие температуры под нагрузкой???
do you know how big the fps decrease if i use the rx 6400 on pcie 3.0?
About 20% on average. Some games don't drop at all though.
@@TechDweeb thanks! just bought this card!
❤️ Bro please compare GTX 1650 t600 and rx 6400 in PCI 3.0 ❤️🔥. WITHING FOR YOUR VIDEO 🔥❤️
Thank you from Belgium, I was hesitating between these two gpus for a low profile config! Go for the rxx 6400!
Good choice my friend :)
I have the rx6400 in a pcie 3.0 system. Running Fortnite at 720p, with RSR enabled, i can easily get over 100 fps on a consistent basis. Even on a pcie 3.0 system, it's worth it. Just turn on FSR/RSR and get gaming!
I was unsure about which one to pick for an emulation/light gaming machine I found a t600 for 100 bucks... so no rx6400
i was hoping to find a t1000 8gb but the prices are bad. same with the t600 rn. so ill probably get a 6400
This rx 6400 4gb gddr6 is better than rx 570 4gb? Please ans
Yes, it's almost twice as powerful.
ebay currently has the t600 listed over $200 (many 250) in ebay, rx 6400 can be had currently as low as 139 dollars in amazon.
Yeah the market is quite different now than it was when I made this video. The 6400 definitely wins out.
Does it really matter for the 6400, pcie 3 is a lot worse than pcie 4 ?
It's 10%-20% worse on average (from what I've seen from various reviews).
My problem here is the power consumption, if I was to go with the RX recoments a 350W PSU, I would have to spend another 120 Dollars for a bigger power supply, as where with T600 they recommend a 200W PSU only and that is a plus in my case.
im getting the rx 6400 from sapphire for a sff dell, and im already planning on changing its thermal pads and paste, even though it's already low powered. also, the main reason im getting it is cause linux
and i m still using gtx 660ti and having fun with games ..
Someone told me there was a 1050 that was the same form factor as these two. I've never found it online. But, if you could get one to compare. That would be awesome.
there is 2 slots , low profile models
this cards use only 1 slot and low profile
I actually had the low-profile 1050 ti for a while. It performed the exact same as my other full-sized 1050 ti. Same thermals too.
@@TechDweeb 1050Ti is very low TDP card so size will not play big role here , also out 1630 so maybe will see slim low profile models of it too, make a video asap it is new now , you will have many views if will be 1st on review and compare
The main thing i hate about the rx 6400 is that it doesn't have video encoding, I wanna record my gameplay.
Hey, sir, can I put a rx 6400 lp in a 3020 sff optiplex? I would really like to play some more games, cuz with my Int Graphic Card I cant do too much
Yup! Just make sure you get the single-slot version (like the one I'm showing in this vid).
@@TechDweeb ok thank you very much
These RX6400 GPUs are great and my roommate ordered a few to tinker with. I am not a fan of them removing h.264/265 on the 6500 and 6400, but you could probably solve that with a 5600/5700G OR and Intel iGPU equipped processor. If nvidia wanted to compete in this space, we would need to see a Nvidia "3030" class GPU hopefully WITH h.264/265 but I would be ok with NOT having encoding IF the price is competitive with the RX6400
I agree, Nvidia should be releasing a 30 class GPU to compete. But I highly doubt they'd make the blunder of not including encoding. The lack of encoding on the 6500 xt and 6400 is only because of their mobile origin - they were originally designed to be mobile only gpus, and the lack of encoding makes sense when you consider that they'd be paired with a processor with a weak IGPU that can handle the encoding. That's also why they only have 2 display outs - one for the laptop screen, and one for an external display. The lack of encoding isn't a cost saving measure on it's own, it's just that repurposing mobile gpus was the cost saving measure. I highly doubt that leaving encoding off the GPU saves much production cost at all. So hopefully if Nvidia releases something at the low end (a true low-end gaming gpu, not just a midrange quadro that can game at the low end), then we'll some decent competition. I have my doubts that we'll get any 30 class GPUs any time soon though :/
I'm not happy about it either, but if hardware encoding is a real need there are dedicated encoder cards... PCIe x1 or USB 3.0. Or yeah iGPU works too (I guess; I've been kind of trying to utilize that myself with i5-4590 (HD 4600) and GT 1030) but I think that taxes the PCIe bus a bit passing the frames back to the CPU for encoding. IDK how much. But I can sometimes get Xbox Game Bar to cooperate. Not sure if it's using intel QSV for encoding or what.
Nvidia released the gtx 1630, its kind of a disappointment from performance standpoint but it does have encoding so I guess we have options.
@@greenprotag GTX 1630 is too expensive and low performance. Also I have yet to see single-slot low-profile cards. The only ones I've seen are full sized. There's no need for a full sized version of this GPU to exist when the T400 can do about as well and are cheaper and fit in everything. The GTX 1630 is the most underwhelming release ever.
@@SeeJayPlayGames 100% agree. We do need cards around $100 with h.264/h.265 encoding. Hopefully the Quadro T400 and T600s prices settle under $150 or the old 1650 low profile cards come out of the wood work $150 or less.
T600 is indeed a workstation card. Here in my country it costs a 100$ more, and the 6400 should have matched against the 1630 low profile versions IMO.
ah.. another good content 🔥👍
That is surprising amount of difference in performance. It basically made the t600 obsolete for gamers.
Yeah pretty much. But to be fair, the T600 SHOULD have been obsolete right from the start, it's just the weird GPU pricing situation that made it viable. For instance if GTX 1650s could be found at MSRP there would be no reason to buy a t600 other than the small-form-factor factor.
@@TechDweeb true. But I don't think scalping will end anytime soon on low end cards.
rx 550 4gb single slot low profile is $90 at microcenter , its a little slower tho but its cheaper too
That's a solid price for that gpu!
@@TechDweeb it seems to be the cheapest brand new single slot card rite now with 4gb ddr5, and its a legit name brand Red Dragon card. no nockoff. i picked up a refurbished almost new DELL OEM SFF pc for a bedroom and they are now putting the video card slot all the way on the bottom slot next to the power supply, so ur forced to use only single slot cards now, the case still has room for a single 3.5 hard drive so u can still add a 16TB Seagate and download all ur pc games onto it and then play offline forever LOL
Whoa,nice! So if I put your original purchase value of 160 in calculation,its value goes even higher.Pricing and needs of the gamer are deciding factors.
Definitely! I expect the 6400 will come down in price quite a bit, but I doubt the T600 will come down for a while (it will always suffer from the 'workstation gpu' tax)
Bro put video about rx 6400 vs 1650 ,video encoding. IN OBS performance .please bro 🔥❤️
The video encoding on the 6400 will be entirely on the CPU, so the performance will depend on the processor you have. If you have a good processor then you wouldn't notice a difference encoding on the 6400 vs the 1650.
@@TechDweeb ooOH. Thanks bro now I can understand 🔥❤️
Can it connect to a hdmi monitor please?
The t600
You gotta drop the vocal acting lol
Daaaammmmnnnn Yooooouuuuu Teeeeccchhhhh Dwwwwweeeeebbbb! I bought the T600 on your review and now you tell me there's something better??? 🤣😂
Sorry. I'll stop reporting on good things. :P
Why didn’t you try Elden Ring ?
Yeah I probably should have huh.
rtx a2000 12gb is killer of all low profile gpu's
Agreed
I get the feeling that you didn't actually test with PCIe 3.0, but rather just did some math. Why not? Do you not have a PCIe 3.0 rig?
Also, FWIW, the Dell Optiplex 3020 SFF that you used for the budget gaming build with the T600 has PCIe *2.0* because H81 chipset. Still, I'd like to see if the card even works in that (since I have one). Do you have to enable UEFI? Will it completely suck when limited to PCIe 2.0? Is the T600 better in this case? Inquiring minds want to know.
Correct I didn't test 3.0 in this video. I did test it in my 6500xt vs 1650 video though. In this video I just took the average performance loss from the data I've seen. I will definitely be testing it in my optiplex rig. HOWEVER, I already attempted to make a SFF + 6400 video and it didn't work at all in my old Lenovo Thinkcenter M91p with an i5 2400, it wouldn't post at all, not even to get into the bios. So I'm not sure how the i5 4570 optiplex will do but we'll see!
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I couldn't find the low profile rx 6400 when I bought it, so I have the full size in office PC with at 180 watt psu 😂
Oh nice! It's running stable on the 180w PSU?
It is pretty stable, every once and a while I drop a few frames then it will run smooth again.
No way that's your real voice! 🤣🤣🤣
It's a bit of me, and a bit of an act. I believe have a condition called VPI (Velopharyngeal insufficiency) which causes my voice to be more nasally than most people's. It was so prevalent when I was a kid that my nickname was The Dweeb when I was in gradeschool. I found out I could control the nasally-ness of my voice when I concentrate on the way I pronounce certain sounds, being careful to open the back of my throat, and I basically trained myself to talk 'normal' as I became a teenager, and now my 'normal' voice has barely a hint of The Dweeb, I can talk like a normal guy all day, but The Dweeb has sort of become my alter ego and I can slip into that voice at will. And then for these videos I embellish it by acting extra dorky. 🤓
I would buy 2 rx 6400 if they actually cost that.. around 250-280 usd in sweden
Giggity
Honestly I like this attention lower end cards get
I am slightly disappointed that the T600 was bested by the RX6400 but with that said I am still happy with my T600. It turned my Dell Optiplex 9020 sff into a useable gaming pc.
Yeah, that's the way PC hardware goes though. The moment you get something, something else comes along and makes you wish you waited. That's just part of the fun :P
@@TechDweeb I’m just happy I didn’t waste my money on the gtx 1030 LP. Your videos saved me there. So for that I’m thankful.
if we combine both of their power then also it will not be half as powerful as nvidia RTX a5000 best low profile gpu
Soooo goood the 6400 and its playable
can find the RX6400 for $149 now ..
You gotta be kidding me 😭 i just bought a t600 and now there is this....
T600 has other benefits - Encoding, PCIe 3.0 full speed, and many display ports, not to mention access to the Nvidia studio drivers for non-gaming uses.
@@TechDweeb thanks bro! Your channel really helped me decide what gpu to get for my budget,i am a *really* small streamer and youtuber,and i informed a bit more aand yeh this is the guy for me
I wish you would include the rx550 4gb gddr5 about $30-40 and a good LP card unserrated for sure i think its better than the t600.
Well since the t600 outperforms the rx560 idk about that chief
The people that hate this gpu are company's that want you to spend $1200 for a gpu. Which is insane, you can buy a capable PC for that price...or both playstation and Xbox with a year of their game pass with games
Wondering what cpu you'll be testing with. Over here, i7 4790 prebuilts are pretty cheap, you probably have something less ancient, more ddr4 for similar money. Wonder if the ram type could make an impact on the performance delta between the cards, in theory it should. Whatever it is, can't wait for your test.
I actually, in this case at least, don't hate the player, but I hate the game. Low profile cards are something I find very interesting, but the prices are still way off from what I'd want them to be. And as for the prices...
I don't know if you are following crypto at all, I am enough to try and predict the (mostly) gpu market. All the coins have fallen in value, a lot. Also, ethereum bomb is incoming. You can make the argument that there are other coins that are already more profitable on some cards, but the fact of the matter is, ethereum holds vast majority of hashing power. If that monstrosity starts mining other altcoins, difficulty will raise andhence payouts fall to ridiculous levels. So I'm expecting miners to start getting rid of their cards soon, there'll be more cards on the market than the interested buyers, and new cards will have to drop prices to compete and all that shabang. In short, I expect major price drops soon.
I completely agree with you about the crypto. I've already seen it in my local market which I follow very closely. Lots of miners getting rid of masses of gpus at once. Not at a huge discount, yet, but yeah soon enough every gamer who wants a 3060 or a 3070 will have one and then these miners will be trying to get whatever they can for their stuff.
😮bro
Hmm. Seems like the RX 6400's 1% lows are (almost?) always higher than the T600's average...
Dude is this your real voice
I have the same question
It's 70% me, 30% extra dweebed up version of me
The hardware encoder... they could have just included it with the RX6400 but chose to cripple it. Sigh.
The lack of encoding on the 6500 xt and 6400 is only because of their mobile origin - they were originally designed to be mobile only gpus, and the lack of encoding makes sense when you consider that they'd be paired with a processor with a weak IGPU that could handle the encoding. That's also why they only have 2 display outs - one for the laptop screen, and one for an external display. The lack of encoding isn't a cost saving measure on it's own, it's just that repurposing mobile gpus was the cost saving measure.