No. THIS Is The Fastest LP GPU In The World
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Considering the price what if you use a 3080 and limit it to 75W? should be an interesting experiment
this
In MSI afterburner the voltage-frequency graph doesn't go low enough to allow you to do this, I'm sure there's other overlcocking tools out there though
You'd have a 3090 ti supermobile maxQ
he actually did something very similar to this though. when he tried to put a 3080 in that MSI computer the first time.
@@crawfordbrown75 it's the bios that limits this.
This is where I would love to see either GPU company go: better power comsumption/performance ratio, instead of just focusing in MOAR POWAH!
It's freaking expensive, but the performance for the power it's pulling is just amazing.
Totally agree. Seeing efficiency put first would be cool. This lil guy really is badass!
Totally agree, I'd rather not have to connect my pc to an appliance outlet within the next 5 years.
That would also mean that higher power cards allowed to suck down some 300 watts of POWAH could possibly do some crazy numbers, and I'd be so down for that. I want your version of the future.
I agree. Frames per Watt is far more of an interesting metric to me, because the AC in my room is pretty weak and my gaming PC can overpower it very easily. Plus whoever wired up my house was a bonehead and set the entire upstairs on one breaker, so i have to be conscientious of how much power im using at any given time.
Mo powah baby
If Nvidia ever does make a non ECC variant, for a decent price, it will sell out very quickly.
Ridiculous efficiency. If only all of their cards were as good.
@Gaming ZONE GAZO well, I only see this as a item for sff pcs with powerful cpus and 256gb ssds, but with only integrated graphics
Honestly the power consumption of Nvidia cards is why I am not really interested in the 40 series cards but the RX 7000 cards probably the 7700 which looks like it would be an excellent option.
Instead they're gonna launch a 4090Ti with double the power figure of the 3090 Ti. Seems like the gave up on efficiency and just put more of the same old stuff in the cards instead. I'm genuinely thinking this will be the RTX 2000 series cards all over again. Hoping I'm wrong though, but time will tell.
@@Tomazack more like the gtx 480 "thermi" architecure lol
With Quadro cards you can turn ecc on or off, you get more vram with it off.
For what it's worth: those screws are Torx (TX), not Hex (H). Hex screws are those commonly found on IKEA furniture :)
Haha!! That was my bad. Slip of the tongue. 😁
And honestly, all screws should be torx.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Also not Torx TR, TRs are "tamper resistant" and have the center peg in the screw head. Torx TR drivers and bits work just fine in regular Torx heads, which is why iFixit ships their toolkits with TR bits starting at TR6, but regular T bits from T2-T5.
@@joseph_p
Yes, but also no. I used to be of the same opinion until I learned a couple of years ago that there is a point to having the Phillips head screws in some occasions, as the specifications could require it. The reason is that what makes Torx great is the same thing that could be detrimental. Torx is very easy to over-torque and thus will ruin the threads or other parts of the item being worked on. Phillips on the other hand has the tendency to bounce in the screw head if the torque is too great, and as I had it explained that is actually by design.
So Torx may be the king, but Phillips still reigns as prince.
@@KodakYarr That actually makes a lot of sense. Basically Torx is better if over-torquing isn't a problem, otherwise Phillips is a pretty good balance since it sits somewhere in between flat head and Torx.
That’s how CEX ships graphics cards these days, too. It seems remarkably effective, tbf
Fancy seeing you here lol
it's great packaging to use for returns .
@@BeefLettuceAndPotato all the other techtubers watch Dawid, as he is their king.
Cex prices are bad
like 200 pounds for a 1660 super
and 300 pounds for a 2070 super
Good on PNY for not wasting money on unnecessary frills!
The RTX A2000 is basically an RTX 3060 clocked well within the efficiency curve, much like the 5950 non X or 5950 Pro, drooping the frequency a bit, can cut power consumption by as much as 1/2, while still offering ~70% of the performance.
It's a Quadro GPU
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq Afaik they dropped the Quadro name. A2000 spec is similar to 3060.
I think they are also binned really hard. But yeah, ampere does seem to respond very well to undervolting. Even a 3080 can drop its power draw a lot without losing much performance.
Well it's basically 3060 with golden binning, efficient ECC GDDR6, and ultra low voltage, it's performance is a little below RTX 3050, but with overclocking core and memory clock, it will be 10% faster than RTX 3050 with below 70 watt power, really absurd effiency and absurd pricing too,
But me want it
Quadro is just a marketing name it means nothing.
I'm always happy to see your work. Thanks for making it.
Considering you're likely throwing these into an optiplex, the 150-160 dollar rx6400 still seems like the move over a 500 dollar a2000. What a beast of a card tho, and the a2000 is probably gonna be the best best LP for a while!! Somewhat related, something I never see addressed on vids about 6400 vs 1650 tho is that the rx6400 can do RSR.. it's like having FSR on any game you want. Huge value proposition.
Haha I love your name @HispanicAtTheDisco XD
They tend to go inside a rack mount server chassis - that's why they are all blower designs. You will have a bunch of these in each rack, so efficiency, not raw performance is paramount. Workstations will tend to get either a much lower or higher sku.
Are you a bot? It is impossible for a human to be this insane. The 6400 is a horrible card that needs Pcie 4.0 and Rebar to work at full speed(which is still mediocre performance). But on Pcie 3.0 and without Rebar, which is 95% of the motherboards in the world! It performs even worse than a 1050ti!! It is the worst piece of shi%$t card ever!! Only beaten in shi&%tiness by the GTX1630, another turd.
@@kokaboba What are you? AMD's CEO small son? Man child? Aren't you the definition of one rooting for AMD? All I say is true, I have confirmed it myself, no need for some fanboy crying about it to change my mind on the real facts. Being a man is basing yourself on evidence, not feelings.
@@kokaboba Understand that the post is referring to putting the 6400 in an optiplex. I have an Optiplex myself. All optiplex are 7 gen intel or below that! The performance of the 6400 64bit PCIe 4.0 on one of these PC's would be atrocious and it is atrocious. So the original poster is giving terrible advice. I am doing people a service and you are not helping.
this must have an incredibly high binned chip to get the performance it does.
you haven't seen RTX 3060 mobile, have you? This is basically a 3060 max q, but with twice the memory
Yep. One of the few consolations when it comes to paying the Quadro Tax. It's such a shame that Nvidia has completely abandoned the
As far as I know, they are highly binned chips, and then they undervolt the crap out of them.
The VRM design is more efficient too also the memory. The Ax0000 series consume a good 10 % and more less energy at idle than their comparable Ampere gaming FE counterparts despite the A-series having double the amount VRam. All third party PCB designs are even more inefficient than the FEs especially at low and medium loads.
Performance is not that good (i.e, similar to 6500XT on PCIe 4.0 MB) . Chips are binned, that is true, but not for performance reasons. Precision is what matters.
Been rocking these in a couple of LP builds and its honestly going to be the LP benchmark for a good while.. Lovely little cards... But get those thermal pads sorted out... 1.5mm TG Minus Pad 8's....you will thank me!
@Gaming ZONE GAZO thanks really wish I had more time to do more videos tbh, traveling for work all the time this year 😑
Between you video RGIHD's vid (with your card) and this vid i pulled the trigger on a 6gb to replace my 1650LP, Thank you all for covering this low power gem!
They are such cool little graphics cards. Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll definitely try replace the thermal pads on it. 😃
@@F7GOS Looking at your channel, if you upload more often I'll be a recurring visitor.
not with those prices it ain't
Feels like they effectively made a laptop GPU that you can put into a desktop PC.
The good thing about high end "enterprise/workstation" cards by Nvidia is they are INSANELY power efficient
I feel like when gpu manufacturers start focusing on energy efficiency to performance, we’ll finally start seeing massive improvements in the gpu space. Currently new gpu’s seem like reskinned old cards with more power thrown at them
Well, try pulling back the power target of your GPU. You'll see power draw drop, but the framerate will not drastically change... yet efficiency skyrockets.
Those very last FPS take a huge amount of power to get
@@ledoynier3694 I have an xbox one
Pascal has it's most efficient clock somewhere around 1600-1700 MHz and Polaris around 1150-1200 MHz
@@txma. so you are already tuned for efficiency I guess
I know exactly what you're talking about My GTX 1070ti rival a RTX 2060 Super the 2060S only beats it by 2% in benchmarks and im still over here like so why do i need a RTX lol?
Haha the hex screws because it’s ‘professional’ 🤣
Gotta say, for the price I was expecting a nicer metal shroud.
Nice metal shroud so premium.
aren't they torx screws
Yeah I was going to say, they are Torx screws so we know Dawid isent a professional
@@mikez8277 Haha!! Exactly. I’m just a Philips head loser. 😂
It's been fun to play with. There's a company that makes a copper plate to replace the thermal pads on the memory modules and it's helped me with temps.
Well this was suprisingly entertaining, thnx for the content Dawid
Ever since the last review of the rx 6400, I’ve been wondering what the manufacturers could do with a hunky little graphics card the size of the 1650 after knowing with the much more compact 6400 could do. This video very well answered the question!
Thank you for covering pro gpus in gaming!
These guys are little awesome gems and are pretty cheap sometimes second hand when you need a backup GPU or something to game on for the time being as GPU prices cost soar etc.
I'm not expecting cheap a2000 cards anytime soon but I'd love crashing crypto to prove me wrong.
@@ffwast they are around the 300 dollar mark on eBay right now 🤔 so much better than before.
The 6gb model anyway. The 12gb is still 850-1000 dollars.
Was literally thinking about seeing a video from you....Thank You!
What a breath of fresh air in making this video.
Immediately after watching I bought a 2nd and 6gb model for $528 CAD.
I’d given up on nVidia making anything low profile in the Ampere series due to too much leftover Sicilian. But it’s great to see things lived on in the Quadro arena.
Good on you Dawid!
I have an A2000 in my laptop. Definitely an insane card for the power used
RT ON = 1% difference in graphics by the cost of 200% of performance...
Hey, Great Videos! I just wanted to say if you want to do other comparison between gpu/etc, pls put some 3d render in it too, not that many people make this kind of video but it will be interesting how fast it will be when rendering for some of us :).
I have been looking for this all day. Thank you very much.
This is impressive. Gonna build an in-van PC once I have enough spare cash. Was gonna use a 1650 but now might have to push the boat out and get this little thing
I really like the idea of performance to power efficiency ratio.
Love your videos man... best relaxation after a day at work. 😌
I used one of these on my sons workstation mini. He didn't have a means of adding a supplemental power cord, so this type was required. with a modern I5 and 16gb ram, it's a beast for it's size
THE RETURN OF LINOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE
At least from my personal experience with a desktop and laptop 3070, you can brute force those cards into super low power draw with super aggressive undervolting but still maintain very high performance.
I feel like that's all this card is. A high end ampere gpu that nvidia actually took the time to tune properly 😅
With ECC memory not found in consumer-grade cards
The trick with those cards (and basically everything from 1000 series onward) is to go into the curve editor and modify the clock/voltage curve. Simply pushing the clock up doesn't do much, as that higher clock still depends on a voltage.
This is the same way they send analog encoders to us at my job, nothing has arrived broken since ive worked there, awesome review
If you ever have a chance, I would live to see side by side comparisons with the 6gb and 12gb versions of this card. As a, "is the extra money for 12gb worth it," kind of vid. I've looked everywhere, and never found anything.
And I've been eyeing this card for a while now, hoping to get one soon ish. (Mostly for the power efficiency and Low profile side of things.
I think to see any noticeable difference you'd really need to use productivity tools that can take advantage of the extra memory, like image/video editing. For gaming, you certainly don't want less than 4GB, and bandwidth also plays a big part, but at 11:00, you can see that with everything cranked in Cyberpunk 2077 this card was still using less than 6GB of VRAM.
Because 8GB is suggested for ray-traced gaming, the 12GB might handle that better than the 6GB.
The A2000 also has the advantage of using the full x16 PCI-E lanes.
On a modern motherboard with pcie-e Gen 4, x16 doesn't matter at all. All but the most powerful GPUs can't fill up x8 and this card is a snail in comparison with a 3080 (which has the same price).
@@luckyowl10 I'm referring to the fact the RX 6400 only uses x4 PCI.
@@Eremon1 RX 6400 is a joke of a mobile GPU slapped on a desktop GPU with cutdown features...I wouldn't buy anything under RX 6600
@@luckyowl10 Who said anything about buying one?
Dawid, the best I've noticed RT in CP is looking at the water, especially in the city. Look in any direction with it off and you will notice the reflections cut n and out in pre-baked lighting. Turn RT on and look at the same spot and, oh, how sexy the reflection looks slightly better and doesn't clip on/off. RT will be worth the cost when the native render frame hit is less than 20%.
A friend got one of these pro cards for their photo editing hobby. They didn't have the case space or power and bit the price bullet. Thought he was crazy, but they really are a marvel in terms of size and efficiency! Good stuff if you can afford it.
With heat waves set to regularly be devastating from here on out, GPUs like this really should become the norm. Thanks for showcasing it, Dawid.
I agree! Efficiency over straight up power is the way to go.
One could do an entire UA-cam channel just reviewing and benchmarking high-efficiency hardware...
A pity AMD only sells their GE-series CPUs to OEMs. :(
Is it possible to limit a 3080 to 75 watts?
Comparing price points this is right up there with a 3080. Kinda curious how a 3080 would play out with a 75w power limit
Yeah good idea and I think that should be doable in msi afterburner
i wanna see the performance diff with this idea. good point of price performance comparison. my 1060 was undervolted on afterburner i only lose 1-2% fps 1080p gaming vs a stock boosted card but save a lot of power while gaming.
bro straight up took someone elses comment and just rephrased it lol
@@jianhersan4669 I don't scroll through comments immediately like others. I noticed that comment about 5 scrolls down after I posted but go off buddy
@@8Bitschannel i mean the original comment u took is literally the first thing you see in the comment section but go off fam
I daily drive the A2000 6GB version and love it (we are getting so close to 100W gaming currently around 140-165W under load). Plays everything I love to play at 1440P High settings paired with a i5 12500 in a tiny precision Dell 3460.
I custom liquid cooled both a 750ti (non 6 pin), and i3 (35w)T version rig back in the mid 201Xs and then placed it in the lian li yacht case. That was the last time I experienced quiet gaming so close to 100 watts (115-125w range) and that was passable versus my now enjoyable performance per period normal gaming.
I have one of these in a 9th Gen Intel NUC extreme at work.
It makes a decent little compute box that's pretty portable.
I have a sff pc with a lp 1650 in it and I would love to have one of these in it. I am hoping to find one for about $500 at some point, but we will see. Maybe if they release a newer version of something like this from the tech of the 40 series, maybe these will either drop or I can get lucky with one of those.
1750 should've come out already!! 1050ti came out in 2016, the 1650, its successor, came out in 2019, and in 2022 we got the 1630!! An abomination of a card. Honestly Nvidia is really screwing us HARD. But it's pay back time now with Nvidia overstocked with the 3000 series and mining going down the tubes.
@@ignacio6454 I personally would rather have the technology that the 30 series has than what would come with the 1750 or whatever would be the 1605's low profile replacement. Yeah it's more expensive, but having the power that it does in the form factor that the a2000 does is worth it to me.
@@shinythings7 Essentially that is what I was referring! I just failed at putting it into words. By now though a 4000 series tech 1750 would be even better. I can only dream, for me it would be just ideal. My best regards and happy gaming with whatever you've got! :)
I mean in my area you can already get the a2000 below 500$ used. Apparently there were somewhat good mining cards. And since crypto crashed a bunch of people are selling their niche low profile Workstation cards.
@@CoilingSliver the A2000 has not so great thermal pads or a very robust heatsink/fan. I would rather buy new just because of the fact that these things would get to about 100 degrees on the memory chips easily. There are plenty of videos here on youtube talking about thermal solutions including copper mods, repasting, and even boosting the power draw of these cards. Because of all of those things, I would shy away from these mining cards much more than usual. I also want mine to last as long as possible. but if you get one, best of luck!
Please do another video with it actually in a working LP system. Close up the case and use it as if it were actually in somebody's home. See how hot it gets OC'd in those conditions. I love your videos.
In the 2020 shortage, around my third world area these kind of GPUs were actually in the same price range of consumer ones.
I got my RTX A4000 for my workstation in early 2021 which was cheaper than a 3070 (non Ti).
The card was thin, elegant, have been working well even in my poor ventilated case.
This was so interesting Dawid.
I feel like we're coming to a point in power draw that's going to require manufacturers to focus on efficiency instead of only performance. I like my frames to be as numerous as anyone else, but cards are starting to draw more power than entire systems have drawn for the last several years.
this didn't start now. an entire computer used less than 100w back in the mid 90's. things weren't even passively cooled, they weren't cooled at all! just a bare chip. it all started with the tiniest piece of aluminium with a 4mm fan on top of it. over time it snowballed to the car radiators we have inside our computers now
@@GraveUypo Fair enough, but we're getting to a point where you'd see a significant increase on the power bill at the end of the month similar to running the AC all month. If power were cheaper, then fine, nobody would care.
@@austinwelch1132 "increase on the power bill at the end of the month similar to running the AC all month" Absolutely not.
I'm kind of surprised, because Nvidia seemed to only release cards that are very power hungry to get good performance, but there is actually a card that doesn't do that... too bad it's so damn expensive though XD
I've only owned 1060, 1070 ,2060 super, 2070 , 2070 super and 3060 ti on the Nvidia side .. on the amd side I've owned a 570, 580 , 6600 and those AMD cards drew more power compared to their Nvidia counter parts. I don't know about higher end cards but for me I've found Nvidia to draw less power
Yeah y'all are both right, for years amd was more power hungry but since RTX and DLSS came into play, the 20 and 30 series cards have been way more power hungry in the name of moar powaaaa
Because it is one of their pro cards, where they do actually care about power use.
@@CompMeistR it's more of a power ceiling issue than power use. These things must go in lousy office-ish prebuilts with anemic PSUs
@@olddadagamer the RX 6000 series cards are alot more power efficient for the performance they put out. but yeah I would still take an Nvidia card myself as the experience overall is much nicer.
I'm super impressed with the efficiency. This would be a great card for a tiny portable LAN PC.
there is a two slot available for ram to solder right? so you can increase the ram size?
OK, Dawid. The A2000 is no longer on top. NVidia just released the A4000 SFF. Low profile, 70 watts, 6,144 CUDA cores, 192 Tensor cores, 48 RT cores, DLSS 3, Lovelace GPU, and 20GB GDDR6 ECC memory on a 160-bit bus. Two NVENC encoders that can do AV1 encoding. Looks just like the A2000. Performance similar to a 3070. Only $1,250. When can we expect a review?
The A2000 is what gaming cards should aspire to with power/performance. Price on the other hand.. well.
TBF, the Quadro name and ECC memory does add more to the price, seeing as it's ordinarily meant to be a server GPU.
Can't wait for there to be a part 3
Hello there, I'd like to know what program you use for that framegraph!
Thank youuu
Given that electricity prices in UK are set to to be about x4 the price they were at the start of the year in October, when you consider a 3060 or 3080 will be using x5+ the amount of electricity the price premium doesn't seems so bad. That is more so if you are a hardcore gamer playing 25+ hours a week.
Yea for high power cost areas it starts to make sense
lol i fixed my electricity at 19p/kwh in spring 2021 for 3 years!. i get to avoid these crazy price increases until may 2024.
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe Lucky you! I should have accepted a 2 years deal, too late now
@@zetectic7968 i got a crazy deal from british gas, at the time the 3 year fix was more expensive than just being on the variable rate but i like to know what i will be paying so i can budget. they only take £70 a month for both gas and electric and i use less than that so my winter bills end up using my credit and they also stay nice and low. i run a rtx 3070 laptop so it really does not use that much power thing only pulls 200w from the wall when gaming.
I don't think people who are buying graphics cards for £500-£1000 care about possibly spending a few more a month on electricity
I love these little Quadros, considered getting an RTX A4000 as an upgrade for my GTX 980 Superclocked when it dies...
This cooler is so clean and love that it’s dual slot. Wish the founders were like this honestly.
Great video. Maybe you can built the best pc between pure power (FPS for games and Benchmark for professional programs) and power consumption?
That's creepy... I was JUST talking about this the early this week... It's slowly becoming affordable.
If it goes under 500, I might snatch one of these myself. That level of efficiency is extremely impressive. Pair something like this with a 12400F and you could get one hell of an impressive gaming experience at under 300 watts.
@@_shadow_1 Yea I was thinking "Build your own Optiplex." slim MATX case, 500W flex ATX PSU, 12100 OR 12400F, Cheap MATX mobo, and an A2000. I think the Noctua L9i 17xxx MIGHT cool the 12400f.
@@greenprotag I was thinking something similar, but I want to go with an itx slim build instead. The motherboard, case, and power supply would probably be more expensive, but the finished product would be really minimalist and portable while still being a fully fledged gaming capable pc. The motherboard I want would have tb4 ports on it as well, which would be great for all the connectivity I would ever need.
@@_shadow_1 Probably 12th gen. I was just looking at slim itx. Slim Micro ATX has the option of having 1 or 2 add in cards while only adding 2 PCIE slot width while simultaneously reducing cost adding functionality. I do like the console size itx builds.
@@greenprotag Loosing the other ports may be kind of unfortunate, but at least those thunderbolt ports would be able add things externally if I need to. It isn't as elegant of a solution, but I don't use the extra slots anyways. Most modern motherboards today, including mini itx ones, have things like built in wifi cards, high speed ethernet ports, multiple sata ports, and multiple nvme slots. That is most of the expandability and connectivity that I would ever realistically need.
This would be great in a small form factor build for a living room.
yeah if you are talking low profile but for itx you could just get a non lp card tbh
You're better off getting a 3060 ti / 3070 for the same or equal price
Ive been waiting for Dawid to upload😩
Don’t you disparage that packaging. It’s amazing for swapping parts in IT work. You pop the new part out, swap in the busted one, back in it goes, stick on the label they included, golden.
There is a 6gb version of the RTXA2000 that costs about $500, considering the 1650 only has 4gb this is probably a better value option. The 1650 low profile is going for around $200 right now. As my PC is only 4th gen i7 there probably is little point going from the 1650 but it was interesting to see how well this card performs.
Just found it on Amazon for 250. I think I'm going to try it out.
Just bought the 6gb version to throw in an old Lenovo thinkcentre with an i7 4770. The price has dipped to around $200. Eventually want to build a tiny PC with this thing, but for now the sleeper build will do.
@@jonbradshaw1933 which thinkcentre? Mines in a m920s with an i5 8500 and it's handling everything I throw at it medium settings or higher at 4k 60hz. DLSS is working a treat to keep the frames up but for a living room TV build with a ps5 controller it's amazing.
@@jgm113 m93p. Was pretty hyped when I snagged it at a garage sale right before the pandemic hit for $40. 16gb ram, 512gb SATA SSD, 80plus bronze power supply. And if for whatever reason I need more ram it has two free slots. I feel like this was someones beloved computer at one point. Has a little pci card for a few more USB 3.0 ports, an additional serial port, and added PS/2. Like I've tried to find other m93p's spec'd out with all the add ons and haven't found a single one
@@jonbradshaw1933 sff or full tower? That stuff is definitely custom, probably tinkered with a bunch of legacy stuff to need extra ps/2 and serial. Mine was similar kind of deal, work got rid of a ton of them 🤣 I'm like hey I can put that to a good use.
I think a lot of miners really liked this card for its incredible power efficiency which may be part of why its so expensive right now.
fr literally all videos on UA-cam are about mining there's only a few that are non mining related.
@@117gerardle don't think it was a joke the original post creator made a valid point
@@117gerardle if you search rtx a2000 many of the videos you see are about mining Ethereum
Love the videos keep them coming D
I like the fact that you open things before even testing them :D
So I just picked one of these graphics cards up at a pre-owned shop. Inside a whole computer and I managed to talk them down to just shy of $100. Computer was a i5 2400 but somehow someone put a RTX a2000 inside, along with a nice 8tb drive that wasn't partitioned properly so it only registered 500gig. The case was and fans were also some ANTEC ones. Sold everything beside the harddrive and RTX and got more than $100. First time in my life I scored such a deal.
No wonder it's priced at $750. It has excellent performance for it's power draw, that even an RTX 3090 Ti would struggle to keep up with this little beast, when power is limited to 75W.
Found it less than 500$ in Europe.
But it's still a bad value...
Is there a difference with the 6gb version with the 12gb one? Or Is it just the vram alone? Should I get the 12gb one ?
a2000 6gb are now used for under $300. I blame ETH mining ending, now there's a flood of excess cards - some weren't even delivered before the end of POW ETH mining, but went right to surplus upon delivery.
Something tells me that they're a highly binned GPUs and Nvidia will not be selling those to regulars for cheap.
@n n wrong, YOU did not hear that he wanted cut-down ECC-less version of this chip for less. pay attention next time.
Dawid has reached peak masculinity with this awsome beard!
Hahaha it’s getting quite hectic
This would be an very interesting thing to keep in the back of your mind as a sneaky 2nd hand purchase in the next couple of years or so.
It's quite impressive how well it does when it isn't even set up for games, I wonder how it does with desktop bench marks compared to a gaming card if it is designed to be a workstation card, that plays game quite well. I wonder how the gaming cards do if asked to do what this is designed for, if they use some faster and more power drawing parts might they do better all be with a stronger power draw.
This thing with some minor tweaks would be ideal for an all in one PC (all be at a life style price point) as it's small and power efficient and so won't so easily cause the bane of all in one PC's which is copious over heating..
This thing is power efficient not because it's specially binned, but because it's a wide and slow configuration. The clock speeds here are far slower than the regular 30-series clock speeds, so it needs much less voltage as a result. It compensates for this by having many SMs, so it still delivers a lot of performance in its 70W envelope.
The clock speed behavior you saw when overclocking is specifically due to this 70W limit. The PCIe slot is only rated for 75W, but this thing seems to play it safe by only pulling 70W (the other 5 may be lost in the VRMs). You can try to eke out more performance by undervolting the card instead, which is how you OC when faced with a strict power limit.
For that money, you're basically saving up power bills for an entire years worth seeing how power hungry GPUs of today are. I do wish it's slightly cheaper, but it's a workstation card anyways so reasonably given the price. Interestingly enough, you're better of buying an RTX 3060 with much better performance but twice the power draw in a more lower price point. It's a compromise indeed.
No, you are not :D TDP of average cards like 3050 and 6600 is around 130W i.e. double of this. Even if you game 10h a day each day, at full power you would not save more than $40 per year.
Can probably still be cheaper had it been non-ECC
Honestly, if Nvidia had released a "proper" 3050 instead of the garbage that they did release, we would have had the consumer version of the A2000. We honestly would have rather had THIS than the 3050 OR the 3060 OR that total abomination 1630. Now I have to wait 12months until I can have a fight with someones granny in the street over a $300 A2000.
The silicon in this thing is probably much higher quality than anything that goes into consumer cards (except the highest of the high end) so I doubt any consumer card would actually be a consumer version of this.
@@TheGrejp Still, a 75W 3050 would have been preferable. That way we could have had LP cards with DLSS and optional RT.
Same could be said for the RX 6600 if it had full x16 pci express.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I think the 6600 is. It's the 6500 and 6400 that are x4 gen 4
It would have been interesting to see rendering times in Premiere Pro with the card compared to the other low-budget, low profile cards.
Actually while you are at it, how does it compare rendering compared to similarly priced regular graphics cards?
Yes! Would luv to also see how it improves workplace scenarios considering it can be popped into all kinds of walmart grade pcs!
wait how do you like to connect to the monitor do you use a display port to hdmi or something?
What the name of the monitor you used in the video look so clean
I always for get about the lowest end data center card from NVidia . A1000 or 2000 or some such number. The NVidia A series. Thanks Dawid, i should also watch before typing out a comment that you literally explain.
Those cards are usually used in rackmount servers, that's why they need to be so thin and low-profile (and why the price doesn't make sense for the performances), you would usually put multiple cards like that on a single station (I was looking for making a CAD server at work and we would've used 2 or 3 Quadro RTX 4000 in it).
Speaking from experience, using servers cards in normal cases isn't a good idea, rackmount cases have a stupid amount of airflow because the cards are being essentially passively cooled, the small fan is just to push a little more heat from the die, it's not supposed to be cooling the entire GPU. It works fine now, but the performances usually take a big hit after 45-60 minutes and internal heat could "break" the thermal paste a lot quicker than normal (I've heard about cards using thermal glue that would become so hot that the heatsink simply fell off because the glue melted).
Great video but isn’t the a2000 a workstation graphics card? Could you try running some workstation loads on it?
hey what are you using for frame rate i cant get overlay to work with the rtx a2000
Very interesting review. Why don't you try more Quadro cards? It would be interesting to see if even the cheaper sisters have good performance. Even if they are meant to be used in workstation cases
Can you please put the name of the graphics card on the video description?
It would be very convenient
How about an idea for the follow up - make a better cooling?
Oh,and how about the noise???
Really love the RTX A2000. Been using it for a while. But the noise from the fan bothers me so much.
This is an awesome video. I like your style. Your videos are very informative, technically, and entertaining at the same time. Your style is kind of Carl-Sagan-esque, but with added humour, which is great (Austin Powers comes to mind too). Regarding this video, with the game settings you've decided to use, I was wondering if it might make sense to use the NVIDIA Quadro RTX A2000 6GB instead of the 12GB version, which is quite a bit cheaper. In the UK, average price on ebay for a used one is about 250 pounds, which I think is reasonable. From your benchmark results, all of the games use less than 6GB and most of them are only using about 4.5GB or less, so the 6GB version should be fine. I would seriously consider buying the 6GB version for a small ITX PC build. In fact I am considering it. I've seen this card mentioned before, but I didn't know the performance was this good with such a low power. It would be perfect for a really small form factor PC, with a really small case like 5 litres volume or so. I think that would work great!
Did you use Studio or GeForce drivers...??
6:50 do you have the anti-aliasing off? sometimes anti-aliasing kills these cards and makes it a deal breaker.
what software are you using to view the gpu and cpu temps and frames?
*@Dewid Does Tech Stuff*
in germany the 6GB-version is available from 550 to 630 EUR as of july 27th
so the proposition you make at the end of the video is probably not as far fetched as you might think...
How does it run with an Optiplex/Elitedesk? (4th gen I5).
for me the problem is the power supply, its usually hard to find a tfx over 300 watts
The power efficiency alone makes me want PCIE 5.0 to focus on additional power delivery rather than greater speeds/bandwidth we still don’t fully utilize.
They can even call it PCIE 4.20 instead of 5.
Would I be correct in guessing the reason efficiencies are higher going through the PCIE lanes is because the incoming power has been balanced and cleaned up by its trip through the mobo, whereas power coming directly from the PSU to the GPU needs to be balanced and regulated before allowing the card to use that power?
These currently are selling for around 250 pounds on eBay uk. great budget card at that price
Hello!! Great video. How about the 6gb version? Still better than the amd 6400?? Thanks!
For most games and rendering memory bandwidth is the key to faster frames. So it is cheaper to lower the core count to increase yield, lower cost on chip, and spend more on memory size and speed. Memory also draws less power per MHz vs the chip itself, for better performance per watt.
Quick note, those are Torx screws, hex screws are the Allen key ones.
I wonder if an RTX 3060 6GB mining graphics card (a desktop graphics card with an RTX 3060 Mobile GPU and usually only 1 video output port) would be a viable cheap alternative?
I'm not sure whether there are any problems with installing drivers.
Dual A4000 here. 3070 equivalent. (same GPU, more but slower ram) At the time, within $20 of each other.
Factory 140w but have them overclocked and down to 118w.
Meaning the pair is only drawing a tad more than the factory 220w 3070.
(also, my use case includes ML)
Considering it is a production card. Quatros run games quite well. You have to love that ECC memory it comes with.