10 Rare And Obscure WW1 Era Guns I THE GREAT WAR Special feat. Rock Island Auction
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
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The era before and during World War 1 saw rapid development in firearms. Some of them were only prototypes or only saw very limited production. In collaboration with Rock Island Auction we present 10 rare and obscure firearms of the WW1 era.
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Gilbert, Martin. The First World War. A Complete History, Holt Paperbacks, 2004.
Hart, Peter. The Great War. A Combat History of the First World War, Oxford University Press, 2013.
Hart, Peter. The Great War. 1914-1918, Profile Books, 2013.
Stone, Norman. World War One. A Short History, Penguin, 2008.
Keegan, John. The First World War, Vintage, 2000.
Hastings, Max. Catastrophe 1914. Europe Goes To War, Knopf, 2013.
Hirschfeld, Gerhard. Enzyklopädie Erster Weltkrieg, Schöningh Paderborn, 2004
Michalka, Wolfgang. Der Erste Weltkrieg. Wirkung, Wahrnehmung, Analyse, Seehamer Verlag GmbH, 2000
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Why didn't they keep going with the Hellriegel? Is it because most of the soldiers weren't level 10 assault back then?
ButtCancer lol burn
yea, its hard to become a lvl 10 assault cuz you cant respawn.. you have to be very lucky to be one..
Mico Ricardo I recently got it, it's pretty effective and accurate for an assault class.
It was way too OP, the French had it nerfed into the ground
Someone turned on back to basics during a pee break
Basically the battlefield 1 weapons list for future DLCs
+DuckSwagington Lol I thought the same thing
Most of the obscure semi autos are already in battlefield one. Because God forbid they force players to use a historically accurate bolt action. 🙄
well, the mg 15 and the T-Gewehr are already in the game, as well as periscope thingy, but no periscope rifle (sadly ^^)
because bolt-action is too boring for the children
Mondragon, the Mauser Selbstlader, Tankgewehr 1918 and the MG 15 are already in the game! A Springfield 1903 with the pedersen device was in one of the trailers.
Thanks to Forgotten Weapons, I knew most of these.
Same
Not the only one. Ian has quite the library.
Why wasn't Ian on this too?
thanks to battlefield one I knew most if these
alpha dragon 16 same
aka battlefield 1 main weapons
That's what I was thinking.
Ha
Jakub 555 it wouldn't be fun with all only action
+Nolans Gaming
That's where you'd be wrong, buddy.
I got super excited when Battlefield 1 was announced, probably the most excited I've gotten about a game release in the last 7 or 8 years, until of course I notice the game play trailers showed regular infantry running around with experimental weaponry, prototypes, and borderline imaginary weaponry. When I saw a dude walking around in steel platemail wielding a heavy machinegun like The Heavy from TF2 cosplaying as a medieval knight I gave up all hope.
Battlefield 1 more like forgotten weapons:the game
Yes 😂
Weapons nerd? I am a projectile dispersant device enthusiast!
Christopher Conard lol the professional term
Idk man. Sounds pretty nerdish to me
Ah, a kindred spirit...
A McDonald's cashier? Nah, I handle economic exchanges for a multi-million dollar company
I actually knew quite a few of these from battlefield 1. That game has really peaked my curiosity in events and items from WW1.
Who knew the games could be both educational and incredibly fun
I wish the hame was a bit more historically accurate but I'm glad it exists
I have had the privilege of shooting a Schwarlose 1898 and I can say that the only reason it failed was manufacturing complexity and price to produce. Also its locking mechanism shares similarities to the modern AR/M16 series
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
My favorite was the QF-1 pounder Pom pom naval maxim.
Simply a gorgeous contraption dishing out death at 200 rounds a minute.
...and having probably the best nickname of all.
Yesss definately
Awww jusss.
+Flakfire Definitely bf1 materials in there. is there a particular difference in the game for stationary MGs actually?
+The Great War you have mounted maxims on rooftops :)
and 08/15s, not only on rooftops, but also scattered in the landscape.
The Great War The game actually features the Vickers machine gun mounted on buildings w/ full water jackets. The standalone emplacements have the traditional mounts with the steel shield on them. QF-1s are also an emplacement.
The MG 15 n.A. is a weapon available to the support class, while the MG 08/15 is the weapon given to one of the elite soldier pickups scattered on the map.
It features Vickers with shielding plate named Maxim.
As a history nerd in the 1980s I was fascinated by the Great War then. A garage sale I went to then had a lot of N.Y. Times Current History magazines from 1915-20 for sale, and I bought a few. The neighborhood had been sporadically developed from 1920 on, and their are still undeveloped lots in it, being sold to Central Valley farmers then, and seaside cottages never being built.
am i a bad person for getting a little giggle every time i hear "mannlicher"?
That's what women stop being after marriage.
Fun fact: "männlicher" (almost the same word) means manlier in German.
Robbi373 so I guess you could say it was the manlier machine gun? I'm sorry I had to make the pun
You man licker.
conner greenlee it was a rifle though
The Hellriegel? Awkward, heavy, and impractical?
Battlefield 1: "make it the most effective accurate thing in the game"
6:36 I actually have one of these. There may have been over 80,000 made, but this rifle is quite rare today being as it saw _very_ hard use during WW1 and few shootable examples survive today. Some of those examples that survived the war were turned into single-shot rifles for use by rear-echelon troops; their gas systems being gutted and reduced to straight pull action.
Wow, does yours still work?
Don't give EA ideas. We already have Renaults FT 7 with auto cannons and gas extractors. Don' need periscopes. Oh wait, it requires trenches first.
ahaha amen they done fucked it up
...
But a huge chunk of the war was fought without trenches... The western front is only a small part of the war my dude.
+Meeko1010100112 The only factions available for now are the brittish, the germans and the usa. Russia is not gonna be in the basic game at it's release date. So, yeah, they actually did the late western front without trenches
good point and i hope the game does involve at least one trench map but the British did do a lot of fighting around the globe without trenches
There will also be Austria and Italy, as well as the Ottoman Empire
RSC-17, Verdun's best weapon. Thank god the game doesn't have jamming.
The closest thing to jamming happens when you try to reload while running, the bolt gets stuck
It's an OP weapon for people with no skill
Ha, with a bayonet, it's even more annoying.
Winston With A Y better than those mg08 campers am i right
Kudt Vent Mg08 spawncamping is shit. But squad play with mgs covering infantry is engaging and fun
An interesting weapon is the italian ''villar perosa'' FIAT mod 1915, also called ''pernacchia'' due to it's sound, it's considered the first machine "pistol" in history and a strong contender for the first SMG, it was used kind of like an LMG as a support weapon, it had 2 barrels with 2 magazines of 25 shots each (9x19 glisenti) and a combined rate of fire of 3000 shots/min
Interesting video hosted by a young Michael Caine
Welcome to our world.
Kal El I just realised how much he does look like Micheal Caine
Nah. Michael Caine does remind me a bit of a young Indie, though.
I Was expecting Ian to appear in the video :/
+Caio José Smaha We are already working on another one where he will be in.
THANKS! You just made my day 50x happier :D
Ian was there when I watched the video, in my heart.
Indy! If you are in Poland, I would like to propose you a little trip to town Bolimow nearby Warsaw. Not to many people know this fact, but the first use of gas in battle had the place nearby Bolimow in 15 of January 1915. It was chlorine used against Russian in village Joahimow - Mogily (it means Joahimow - Tombs). Germans as usual, did not take into the consideration the weather in East of Europe, where the winters are frosty. The frost (-21 Celsius degree) made this gas useless. Just, in this temperature chlorine does not evaporate!
And what is really special, the metal container which was used to transport this gas on the battle is now used as the fire-brigade bell.
thats really neat
Thanks for adding to the knowledge base.
I love this channel so much. Not only because of the interesting content. Indy's way of talking and presenting everything is so amazing. He even speaks out german words. And not only Indy is amazing, the crew behind the camera is doing such a great job too! You guys are the best
Thanks!
"The red pantaloons ARE France!"
This is my favorite quote in the Guns of August and I'm so happy it finally made it into the show.
is it wrong bf1 made me want to learn more about WWI
Not at all.
BabyboogerGaming same
BabyboogerGaming same
Same AF
Lol, in my case: Is it wrong that The Great War makes me want to learn more about BF1 (by buying the game)?
Just discovered this channel! Great vids! Subbed right away
Welcome to the show.
Before you even mentioned RIA, Ian or Forgotten Weapons ,I was like "I wonder if Ian knows about these weap...oh..nvm"
Hi all at Great War I have now finished watching your whole playlist even watching ones I'd already watched enjoyed every one Just wanted to say thank you for all the work you guys have done putting the shows together and look forward to seeing the next two years
Glad you like the show, we will make sure there will be more to watch in the future.
Is it just me or does he look like better call saul's tweaked out twin?
Or a young Michael Caine.
@ The Great War, Quote ''Or a young Michael Caine": Aaaaah, thank you. Now I can finally shut that little voice in my head up constantly asking "Who the hell is Indy reminding me of?", haha.
Or a likeable younger Alex Jones.
@@hannibalburgers477 ...is he?
@@Hanfgurkenhasser Oh sorry, I meant he always looked old.
thank you for remembering and give props to the Australian who first came up the the periscope rifle... we are often forgotten.
Wow episodes just get better and better! Great job TGW team!
the mondragon mg15 and the hellriegel are in Battlefield 1 nice job dice
and the tank gewehr
Kumpelblase 1990 this channel worked with dice on the medals and codex so I'm sure they had a large influence with dice.
and M1903 Experimental as well as Sebslader 1906
Pvt. Baran ay and the perino
The rsc
This just might be your best episode yet. As a firearms enthusiast and one time range master I love learning about guns. Admittedly I do not know much about World War 1 weaponry so this is a real treat for me. My area of expertise is Cold War era and forward.
Battlefield 1, Take notes.
Take notes of what?
The weapons...
+PlantPedaler Oh please no.
Please no what?*****
PlantPedaler Please no more rarely used/ secret weapons. It's already stupid in the Beta to watch 80% of the players running around with semi-automatics and automatics.
New to the channel & noticed some of these weapons make an appearance in Battlefield 1, awesome job fellas!
Welcome to the show.
PToastman i found this channel after play bf1.
ww1 is so damn interesting
'You have to wonder how many lives that decision (keeping red pantalons) cost?!'
I would argue: Not that many.
The French spend most of the first year making heroical attacks over open ground.
Red trousers or not, even in Khakis you will lose badly if you do that.
I don't think that was really the point of what he was saying. I think he meant that any loss of life just because some politicians wanted red pants was bad enough.
+JoshBadWriters Tip of that iceburg in the French army. You guys ought to watch 'Paths of Glory' if you get a chance.
Kirk Douglas at his best. I hope he makes it to 100.
It's crazy how they went from that to using advanced squad tactics that utilize LMG's and later, Tanks!
Sending waves of men to their death in fanciful colors and with flying banners wasn't *just* a french thing in 1914, even though they were really crazy about it. IIRC, a famous french general charged on a horse with a saber during the first days of the war. He survived and helped stop the Germans at the Marne.
Russians, Germans and Austrians did it too. The Bavarian army did pride itself for doing the same thing. The main difference between the Germans and French was the lack of heavy artillery on one side.
Naturally, Battlefield 1 has most of these.
Romney Mcgruber what is that supposed to mean
@@---675 literally wrong
@@---675 I literally can't even begin to understand your point of view, guns are also used for self-defense and sporting. They aren't just used for war and destruction.
@@---675 if guns aren't used for sport wtf are civilian gun ranges used for lol also most hunting sports use shotguns not hunting rifles as hunting rifles aren't used for sport, they are used for another function in which guns are used 'hunting' - it's in the name. Not just war. Like it or not guns have become an integral part of society and ultimately will be for the foreseeable future. Stop getting buthurt over facts and things you can't change
@@---675 I never said that there needs to be more guns in the world. And hunting rifles are still guns, they are very capable of killing people and that's is why hunting requires safety. Guns and weapons in general are a part of society and you may just have to deal with it like everyone else and stop being a snowflake.
at 6:16 the mg showed isn't a Fiat revelli but a Saint Etienne (french machinegun)
I have been watching the chanel along time now, and I just have to say it!
I love the intros of the videos!
That's great, Indy is always working hard on them.
Yea! WeaponGeeking! My FAVE! Thank you Indy!
Great video guys, I played with some of these weapons in BF1 beta. Its awesome to hear some info about them in this video.
Your content is absolutely incredible, well done to you and everyone behind the camera.
Ay! Forgotten Weapons! Great channel.
and what about Fedorov Avtomat Rifle m1916 ?? is is might to be the first assault rifle in history.
+Lasha Turmanidze Do you have some cool pictures of it which are free to use and which we can include in another list?
yes of course i have couple of them, lascha.turmanidze@gmail.com it,s my mail. write me a message and i will send you pictures
+The Great War Lots of pics available on Google, many of which would be free to use - it's very well known about in the firearms world. It's arguably the world's first assault rifle (though 6.5mm Arisaka is really pushing it as an intermediate cartridge) with a 25 round detachable magazine and semi and full auto capabilities. They also were only made in 6.5mm Arisaka, using stocks captured Japanese ammunition from the earlier Russo-Japanese War, rather than locally produced ammunition. The gun had controllable recoil thanks to the weaker cartridge and foregrip. They were used in small amounts of the Eastern Front of WW1 to my understanding, but gained more fame for their extensive use by Soviet troops in the 1940 Winter War. I can't remember how many were made but I think it was around 8000 of them.
you are right my friend :) :)
Where do you get the idea that there are "lots of pictures on Google that are free to use"? That is not how picture licensing works for professional production especially since we sadly produce in a country that does not have "fair use".
Great video. I like the attention to detail. I'm really impressed with all your content, Indy.
I love your show and your enthusiasm! Thank you for the great work guys!
Hello the Great War team! :) I was wonderig if you could make a special about the southern slav nations within the Austro-Hungarian empire and their desire to create a united slavish state, which they also created after the breakup of the Austro-Hungarian empire and was called the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, which at first wasnt united with Serbia but then joined them because they needed their millitary protection and was later renamed into the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. That is a rly shortened version haha :) love the show and I am watching it from the start. Good luck in the future and good wishes from Slovenia :)
that was post war so they wont go into it
I meant that they would do a speical about their desire for independence during the war which was quite strong at the time.
oh
We will.
+The Great War thank you very much!! love the show :))
Absolute awesomeness. Yall(from Texas) have had me from the first watched episode.
Welcome to the show.
Hello fellow texas boi
8:52 on the CC function "Ottoman" was read as "enemy" made me chuckle, good vid
Brilliant channel and very insightful series. Thank you!
Stumbled on this channel from a bunny with a pancake on its head silly nonsense and am so glad I did,what a fantastic channel.
UA-cam works in mysterious ways. Welcome to the show.
Love this video after playing BF1 to actually get info about the weapons I used in the game! :)
Good stuff. I watch every vid Ian and Othais upload. I can never get too much firearm history.
There's a huge gunshop near me and the owner is building a gun museum next door. He used to have a small amount of his personal collection on display and that included two Pedersen Devices with numerous magazines and ammunition. I can't wait for his museum to be finished.
Are you going to show us the Przemysl museum itself?
+Giloup92 We will show their collection in the episode in which we talk about the fortress
+The Great War Great! Thanks.
It's about time you get ahold of Ian!
The Pedersen device wasn't just a magazine, but rather a semi-auto conversion mechanism for M1903 rifles that replaced its bolt and fired a round based on the 32 ACP.
+Teco01ejg That conversion part is hidden in the term "altered Springfield" - didn't want to make it too complicated because we link to an extensive video in the end.
Love it !!! Thanks for another great episode guys !!!
is this how dice got their ideas for guns?
Kinda, they learned secrets of past guns from the one and only - Gun Jesus. (forgottenweapons.com)
BF1 brought me here, wasn't disappointed
Indie, Thanks for a great installment. I shared it with my oldest son who wasn't allowed to have war toys as a kid, but who went on to become a very badass USMarine (go figure), and is now a prepper who is ready for when the SHTF and loves firearms.
Not entirely related, but I have one of the first SMLE's ever made. 1904 manufacture No1, no mark, no star, made by Royal Small Arms Factory, Enfield Borough, London. Not a "Long Lee", but an SMLE. Currently has 1913 wood furniture on it, but the action and barrel are from 1904.
Quite a find.
Love this channel
Love you too.
what about the fedarov avtomat m1916
We dont talk about that here
lol
It's never the weapons fault, just the ones using them.
NO WE ONLY TALK ABOUT PITCHFORKS AND HAMMERS AND SICKLES
Ulquiorra Cifer ok USAF
Ian and Rock Islands channel is awesome I've been a long time subscriber to them awesome to see you both working together!
was glad you added stuff like the rsc-17 and mg-15NA was expecting this to be mostly prototype's but those 2 kinda surprised me :D
As a battlefield 1 player, who has watched the Great War series since just a few months after it started, I have to thank you for putting the whole game in perspective for me. The Great War was kinda just touched on in school for me. WWII was a much bigger subject, with the higher death toll and the threat of global domination from the Nazis, the first one was mainly spoken of as a needless waste of human life, I think one of my teachers told me you could blame the cause on the rise of Nationalism and egotistic leaders. But there's so much more depth to it than that.. And you guys have really done your best to explain it wholeheartedly. I just wanna say that I personally deeply appreciate all the knowledge you've passed on.
Villar Perosa. Nothing else.
Awesome to find you doing this! Love your British Pathe appearances too! Ean sent me! God bless you.
Welcome to the show!
Solid video again, Indy. I love the series.
I don't understand the hate for the Lebel. It was a good sturdy, if a bit too long, rifle.
Why am I laughing at the words "dying more quickly"? Stop it Neidell (＾︶＾)
well people do die if they are killed
That's only because someone killed them to death.
probably the wrong channel for FSN references
I laughed regardless
finally!
This comment string is amazing.
May I just say that this series is extraordinary and thanks to the fine ladies and gentlemen of the Great War channel!
One of the best Great War channel's specials :)
How much would you guys pay to have Indy and Ian on the same show?
Will you gentlemen ever make a trip to the Kansas City, MO WW1 memorial? It's an amazing museum and memorial. I used to go there once a month
It's definitely on the list. But our travel budget is limited.
I just visited it and spent hours exploring it. It's definitely worth a whole day. I love your channel, keep up the great work, Indy!
Great video guys! Keep up the good work.
you did an excellent job with the series.
Anyone else looking for guns the Battlefield 1 seems to think are standard issue?
Between you, Othias and Ian, I want sooooooo many old European guns. :)
really awesome episode guys!!!!
great video. keep up the good work. Are you going to do world war 2 videos when youre done with the first ?
Bruh if the Hellriegel was so rare then how come every assault in BF1 uses it?
six of these are in BF1
The French Tried for years to get a Semi-Auto rifle, and almost did. It was 7mm, though I forget if it was Long Recoil or D-I (Direct Impingement like a m16 or a AG-42/Hakim) . Concerns over war breaking out before they were done re-equipping led to the failure of the project. It was used in limited numbers, though I can't find English sources for how it did. I forget the name though. Quite a few Semi-Autos popped from time to time, the BAR started as one, but due to weight he (Browning) modified it and it became a light machine gun. The Russians had the Fedorov but from what I can tell it was over complicated and more an Assault rifle then a MG. Still, by the 1920s we had some very good types, if not for peacetime budgets and the market crash we could have seen an adoption before the Garand (1936), though some like the Bang were bound for the scrap heap.
Jesus I am hooked on this channel atm. Question, has their been anything about technological advancements and new inventions and such either that weren't the for war purpose killing and fighting or that have found a much better use outside of war that came from WWI?
A small mistake there at 2:36 France, not Prussia
Edit: i get it now. its just a little stuff with words
derp
Indy is correct in saying "to Prussia" for the victory went to Prussia, what you are probably thinking when typing the comment would have meant France won, which is incorrect
"which was a humiliating loss to prussia" he said
EDIT: Oh he means "it was a (france suffered a) loss to prussia". I understood as if "to prussia, it was a loss (prussia suffered a loss)"
that wasn't confusing in one bit
@@abu-hureraali4531 not everyone is english native
Khaki or brown uniforms and semiautomatic rifles would have been great for France at the time.
They sure could have made a difference. But you also need the corresponding tactics.
Matthew McCauley One guy blows a whistle, everyone gets out of their trench and runs forward. Rinse, repeat. Dressing as Bozo the Clown would likely have gotten you shot just as fast as something that blended in.
It’s so interesting how ww1 weaponry and armor was a mix of experimentation and medieval combat.
I have to give Dice credit for using this to their advantage when making battlefront 1
great video, keep it up!
cant wait to find some african warlord holding a hellreigel
In 2039 there should be a World War 2 channel
m.reddit.com/r/TheGreatWarChannel/comments/4ksvy2/will_you_guys_ever_do_a_ww2_channel_our_official/?compact=true
oh ok
Great video as always!
as a fan of history channel's show Top Shot, i have seen the gun attachment called the corner shot. its interesting to learn that the idea behind that gun dates back 100 years.
A happy Tuesday!
+V. Athanasiou to all of you
absolutely love your show
What about that french submachine gun with an oddly shaped magazine that was issued to tank crews?
The chauchat?? It wasn't obscure
+Medici Soldier Or a submachinegun.
+TinnedTommy I think they made an smg variant.
+Sir Waffles or at least one was in the works
+Medici Soldier Not Chauchat.
Thank you for the great efforts
Great Video!! Curious to know if you have or are considering doing a video on the Christmas during WWI that brought the two sides together? Thanks
A lot are in bf1
Ross rifle
Fedorov Avtomat
Russian Winchester 1895
Lee-Metford
Krag-jorgensen
M1917 Enfield
Pattern 14 rifle
This summer I went to the National world war one museum in Kansas City, MO. So cool and interesting.
The belt fed drum on the Hellriegel is an interesting concept.
It would sure make the time-consuming process of reloading a drum magazine a hell of a lot faster.