The weapons in the Roundtable Hold are presented as evidence of weapons grown from the Erdtree, but it seems they're made of copper. I always thought they were copper weapons made in the likeness of wood.
That's interesting, they do look a little metallic. But I think the giants in the mountaintops were most likely killed by some kind of wooden ballista bolt that came from the Erdtree.
This was a very cool dive into the Erdtree religion. As to whether the Lands Between is an after-life or not, I don't think it is quite and after-life. Beings existed there and went out into the regular world. I think the Lands Between is as its name implies a Land that is between places. It sits between the mundane world (Badlands, Land of Reeds), the world of the dead, and the metaphysical world. It is the mythical world where gods dwell. I imagine that outside the Lands Between, in the Mundane world, you don't see things like dragons and magic is scarce if it is present at all. While death was suspended for the people of the Lands Between the people in the Mundane world still die in a regular fashion. We know this because Godfrey and the tarnished we sent to fight and die outside the Lands Between, all tarnished are slain before reawakening in the Lands Between. Aside from enjoying immortality the people of the Lands Between are also inherently more powerful than your average person from the Mundane world (indicated by our initial experience in the game) because they have the power of runes flowing through them. The grace that was returned to us grants us some small trace of runes and maidens imbue us with greater power to be as strong as the other people in the Land and eventually stronger. We're pretty much in Olympus if it was a country or Asgard. But in this mythological construct of the universe this place is situated Between the regular world and pure concepts.
Basically Olympus, Shangri La, Asgard, Hyperborea, garden of Eden type of deal here Mythological home of some special people. Or like in berserk an interstice between the astral realm and normal world.
Excellent Work!! I’ve always wondered about the implications you mentioned about TLB being an afterlife (which seems heavily implied) But then I started researching into the Hindu Religion, Specially Hindu hell and it has some really shocking similarities to Elden Rings Afterlife where there is a physical form and a spiritual form that lives within it. It also seems like Berserk may have also pulled a few inspirations from this Hindu concept for the later arcs. I would recommend reading into it if you got the time.
I don't think it's just that the Erdtree started to die - it's physical form has been burned to ashes, as can be seen in Lleyndel, before the Tarnished burns its incorporeal form using the flame of ruin. It is clearly stated that those who cannot see grace, cannot see the golden form of the Erdtree visible to us - so it truly has become an object of faith to them.
It did burn at some point, but the details are scarce. Maybe it had already lost power then. Speaking of, the ashen quarter of Leyndell seems to have been abandoned at the time the tree burned. The buildings there are covered in weird vines that I haven't noticed anywhere else.
Yeah, the whole deal with the ash in Leyndell is a huge mystery. That one video from Tarnished Archaeologist about this subject blew me away. But the physical form of the Erdtree still does exist to a certain extent, only it has become like a vine, using the buildings of Leyndell as support.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Why not Gransax? That's likely the cause of the war against the dragons - why Placidusax has only two heads is because he was the storm king Godfrey faced alone (two Crucible Knights in Farum, at that). I imagine Gransax's flames were able to burn the Erdtree to a stump, dropping ash everywhere and forever turning it into an object of faith, a ghostly projection like the trees and creatures on Mountaintops
@@jackreacher7495 Gransax definitly has a story that isn't being told. That said, the burning of the Erdtree is also attributed to the Giants' Flame of Ruin, because that's what eventually have to use to burn the thorns. Also why the flame was confined. So there are multiple explanations for the ash.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Yes, it could've been the Godskins for all we know - it could've been the Godskins in conjunction with the dragons and beastmen of Farum. There seems to be some kind of an alliance there, given consistent environmental storytelling linking the two factions. Mind you, I'm agreeing that it's linked to the Giants' Flame, since it looks as if the god-slaying blackflame is the Flame of Ruin (which might just be the Outer God of Flame and all that this entails) mixed with Destined Death - something we need to recreate in order to burn down the Erdtree ourselves. To burn it for good, and effectively, the flame used to burn it needs to be imbued with Death itself.
it can be hard for to get an idea of how like daily life in the lands between would be so this is a really helpful video! its really interesting how much the golden order changes between godfrey and radagons reigns as consorts and makes me wonder how much agency marika actually has as a god? seems like radagon basically threw everything she did with godfrey away so im not sure if she picks consort based on what they can do for her or if its the other way around
Her, I'm pretty sure it's about her and her canonical 'spirit' twin/clone, and their obviously inbred children. And that's it really. The greater will seems to me to be more of a tool that simply wishes to be used as opposed to a controlling force in and of itself. It doesn't care who wins so long as the winner uses it to rule, it being the greater wills power. Sort of like a sapient nuclear reactor.
The lands between can be associated with many of the realms of the world from Norse mythology all mixed together and coexisting. Centered around the world tree or trees, traversed either by death, by seemingly impassable seas, or by magic. The outside realms are midgard, where the humans were sent after their creation by the gods only to come back after dying in honorable battle. Asgard is associated with the Aesir gods of war, who are the dominant force until the ragnarok prophecy, and they claim the spirits of the greatest champions to fight on their side eternally. Obviously leyndell and the erdtree. Muspelheim is obviously connected to the fire giants. The fell god fated to destroy the erdtree is surtr who will burn down asgard. The giants are the historic enemies of the erdtree. Could also be mount gelmir and the serpent. Vanaheim is home of the Vanir, an old group of gods that were associated with wisdom and fertility, as well as the ability to read the fates. Eventually after a war with the Aesir and Asgard, they merged their houses. I don't think I need to go over which region and faction this corresponds too, but its one that gazes at the stars whose leader dedicates herself to rebirthing people. Jotunheim, home of the Jotun, the descendants of some of the first beings. Also known as giants or trolls in real life and the game. We see everywhere the corpses of giants and their structures literally under the earth. So ancient as to have no record. The fire giants lived in the mountaintops, sure, but what of the titanic bones in Caelid? Now the trolls of the lands between are the trifling smaller Jotnar, far fallen from their mythic primordial counterparts. Alfheim, not oft mentioned but known as another world from which the elves come. The elves, who have powers over nature and life and are seen as somewhat divine themselves. These are of course the numen and their other world. Svartalfheim. Home of the dwarves or "dark elves." Live underground. Impious and smiths of magical artifacts. This one is the nox. Niflheim, the land of mist and fog. Cold and dreary, the first of the realms, really old giants, etc. Obviously also has associations with the mountaintops of the giants. Muspelheim and Niflheim created the world by heat and cold interacting. The forge of flame atop the iciest mount could be a connection to this. Could also Hel. The lands of the non-honored dead who are more hated villains of ragnarok. Non-sanctioned death and rebirth is villified in the lands between, especially those who live in death, who are the non-honored "many and meek". Hel is also known to be under Yggdrasil. Godwyn, who gave rise to those who live in death, is in the roots of the erdtree. Also, christian associations influenced the Norse, and Hel in its depictions is undoubtedly influenced by depictions of Hell. Likewise, those who live in death are evil vile beings, but before the Erdtree and its religion, the Death Rite, undoubtedly connected to them, was simply the way of the world.
In christianity religion is only perfected in uplifting the widow and helping the fatherless. Christianity resembles the father and child dynamic, with the father bringing the love to the wife and children.
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The weapons in the Roundtable Hold are presented as evidence of weapons grown from the Erdtree, but it seems they're made of copper. I always thought they were copper weapons made in the likeness of wood.
That's interesting, they do look a little metallic. But I think the giants in the mountaintops were most likely killed by some kind of wooden ballista bolt that came from the Erdtree.
This was a very cool dive into the Erdtree religion. As to whether the Lands Between is an after-life or not, I don't think it is quite and after-life. Beings existed there and went out into the regular world. I think the Lands Between is as its name implies a Land that is between places. It sits between the mundane world (Badlands, Land of Reeds), the world of the dead, and the metaphysical world. It is the mythical world where gods dwell. I imagine that outside the Lands Between, in the Mundane world, you don't see things like dragons and magic is scarce if it is present at all. While death was suspended for the people of the Lands Between the people in the Mundane world still die in a regular fashion. We know this because Godfrey and the tarnished we sent to fight and die outside the Lands Between, all tarnished are slain before reawakening in the Lands Between.
Aside from enjoying immortality the people of the Lands Between are also inherently more powerful than your average person from the Mundane world (indicated by our initial experience in the game) because they have the power of runes flowing through them. The grace that was returned to us grants us some small trace of runes and maidens imbue us with greater power to be as strong as the other people in the Land and eventually stronger.
We're pretty much in Olympus if it was a country or Asgard. But in this mythological construct of the universe this place is situated Between the regular world and pure concepts.
Basically Olympus, Shangri La, Asgard, Hyperborea, garden of Eden type of deal here
Mythological home of some special people. Or like in berserk an interstice between the astral realm and normal world.
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Excellent Work!!
I’ve always wondered about the implications you mentioned about TLB being an afterlife (which seems heavily implied)
But then I started researching into the Hindu Religion, Specially Hindu hell and it has some really shocking similarities to Elden Rings Afterlife where there is a physical form and a spiritual form that lives within it.
It also seems like Berserk may have also pulled a few inspirations from this Hindu concept for the later arcs.
I would recommend reading into it if you got the time.
Really interesting video! Look forward to your uploads :)
I don't think it's just that the Erdtree started to die - it's physical form has been burned to ashes, as can be seen in Lleyndel, before the Tarnished burns its incorporeal form using the flame of ruin. It is clearly stated that those who cannot see grace, cannot see the golden form of the Erdtree visible to us - so it truly has become an object of faith to them.
It did burn at some point, but the details are scarce. Maybe it had already lost power then.
Speaking of, the ashen quarter of Leyndell seems to have been abandoned at the time the tree burned. The buildings there are covered in weird vines that I haven't noticed anywhere else.
Yeah, the whole deal with the ash in Leyndell is a huge mystery. That one video from Tarnished Archaeologist about this subject blew me away. But the physical form of the Erdtree still does exist to a certain extent, only it has become like a vine, using the buildings of Leyndell as support.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Why not Gransax? That's likely the cause of the war against the dragons - why Placidusax has only two heads is because he was the storm king Godfrey faced alone (two Crucible Knights in Farum, at that).
I imagine Gransax's flames were able to burn the Erdtree to a stump, dropping ash everywhere and forever turning it into an object of faith, a ghostly projection like the trees and creatures on Mountaintops
@@jackreacher7495 Gransax definitly has a story that isn't being told.
That said, the burning of the Erdtree is also attributed to the Giants' Flame of Ruin, because that's what eventually have to use to burn the thorns. Also why the flame was confined.
So there are multiple explanations for the ash.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Yes, it could've been the Godskins for all we know - it could've been the Godskins in conjunction with the dragons and beastmen of Farum. There seems to be some kind of an alliance there, given consistent environmental storytelling linking the two factions. Mind you, I'm agreeing that it's linked to the Giants' Flame, since it looks as if the god-slaying blackflame is the Flame of Ruin (which might just be the Outer God of Flame and all that this entails) mixed with Destined Death - something we need to recreate in order to burn down the Erdtree ourselves. To burn it for good, and effectively, the flame used to burn it needs to be imbued with Death itself.
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" There are no ten commandments, and there is no divine will"
" cough" the Elden Ring " cough" the Greater Will who sent it " cough".
I think it would be interesting to see what the world looks like through graceless eyes. Or frenzied ones for that matter.
Too short I need a 2 hour video from you
it can be hard for to get an idea of how like daily life in the lands between would be so this is a really helpful video! its really interesting how much the golden order changes between godfrey and radagons reigns as consorts and makes me wonder how much agency marika actually has as a god? seems like radagon basically threw everything she did with godfrey away so im not sure if she picks consort based on what they can do for her or if its the other way around
Her, I'm pretty sure it's about her and her canonical 'spirit' twin/clone, and their obviously inbred children. And that's it really. The greater will seems to me to be more of a tool that simply wishes to be used as opposed to a controlling force in and of itself. It doesn't care who wins so long as the winner uses it to rule, it being the greater wills power. Sort of like a sapient nuclear reactor.
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The lands between can be associated with many of the realms of the world from Norse mythology all mixed together and coexisting. Centered around the world tree or trees, traversed either by death, by seemingly impassable seas, or by magic. The outside realms are midgard, where the humans were sent after their creation by the gods only to come back after dying in honorable battle.
Asgard is associated with the Aesir gods of war, who are the dominant force until the ragnarok prophecy, and they claim the spirits of the greatest champions to fight on their side eternally. Obviously leyndell and the erdtree.
Muspelheim is obviously connected to the fire giants. The fell god fated to destroy the erdtree is surtr who will burn down asgard. The giants are the historic enemies of the erdtree. Could also be mount gelmir and the serpent.
Vanaheim is home of the Vanir, an old group of gods that were associated with wisdom and fertility, as well as the ability to read the fates. Eventually after a war with the Aesir and Asgard, they merged their houses. I don't think I need to go over which region and faction this corresponds too, but its one that gazes at the stars whose leader dedicates herself to rebirthing people.
Jotunheim, home of the Jotun, the descendants of some of the first beings. Also known as giants or trolls in real life and the game. We see everywhere the corpses of giants and their structures literally under the earth. So ancient as to have no record. The fire giants lived in the mountaintops, sure, but what of the titanic bones in Caelid? Now the trolls of the lands between are the trifling smaller Jotnar, far fallen from their mythic primordial counterparts.
Alfheim, not oft mentioned but known as another world from which the elves come. The elves, who have powers over nature and life and are seen as somewhat divine themselves. These are of course the numen and their other world.
Svartalfheim. Home of the dwarves or "dark elves." Live underground. Impious and smiths of magical artifacts. This one is the nox.
Niflheim, the land of mist and fog. Cold and dreary, the first of the realms, really old giants, etc. Obviously also has associations with the mountaintops of the giants. Muspelheim and Niflheim created the world by heat and cold interacting. The forge of flame atop the iciest mount could be a connection to this. Could also
Hel. The lands of the non-honored dead who are more hated villains of ragnarok. Non-sanctioned death and rebirth is villified in the lands between, especially those who live in death, who are the non-honored "many and meek". Hel is also known to be under Yggdrasil. Godwyn, who gave rise to those who live in death, is in the roots of the erdtree. Also, christian associations influenced the Norse, and Hel in its depictions is undoubtedly influenced by depictions of Hell. Likewise, those who live in death are evil vile beings, but before the Erdtree and its religion, the Death Rite, undoubtedly connected to them, was simply the way of the world.
Ended way too abruptly. Pls Moar sir. Dafuq
The next one is going to be longer lol.
In christianity religion is only perfected in uplifting the widow and helping the fatherless. Christianity resembles the father and child dynamic, with the father bringing the love to the wife and children.