For anyone struggling to grind beans with a specific handgrinder, what I noticed is that it becomes easier if you use frozen beans (no RDT necessary). It might not be true for every hand grinder, but this is what I noticed from my limited experience. I think freezing makes the beans more brittle and therefore easier to fracture/cut/shatter. Grinding frozen beans also results in more uniform grind size and clearer cups. I freeze beans in ziploc bags with as much air removed as possible. Beans from 1 year ago still taste fresh. You save so much money by buying coffee in bulk and then freezing them.
The first thirty seconds of this video are proof that Raghunath is the funniest coffee YTer out there. Here's hoping all the attention from your recent success is enough to spread the word...🙏
Congrats on the Sprudgie! Well deserved! As for this grinder, great idea with the burr system but if the UX is bad I don’t know if I could get over it. The coffee coming out of it might taste great but the coffee making process is just as important to me. I’m sure there’s a market for this type of grinder though and we’ll have a dope product that does it all some day soon.
Absolutely interested in the shape of grounds and flavor profile, I've been interested in balls and grains of sand rounded cylinders to give great results with at most some roundish triangles to fill in gaps and have water pass through more evenly
the particle shape dictates how much surface to volume ratio the particle has in immersion: the round particles have the least surface/volume therefore get the least extracted flat sides, narrow scales and pointy shards, in that order, will get higher extractions
I loved your "How to pour" video, I use it daily in my coffee routine to tweak my brews. I am surprised though, I always assume the equipment reviews and such outperform niche technique videos. Glad I was wrong! You are one of my favorite coffee UA-camrs and I've recommended your videos channel every chance I get.
We were just as surprised at how much better the how-to and tutorial style videos of ours performed compared to the reviews. We also enjoy making those more so I guess it’s a win. They’re a lot harder though. :)
I had one that looked exactly like the Potu but with only ghost burrs, the one with the adjustment mechanism in the middle that worked like the Weber key. And it suffered from a lot of the same issues you mention here but also had a lot of fines. I think it looked like it had a conical pre breaker that was slow to feed the coffee into the burrs. It also wasn't easy to grind with. I think yours seems better. I did notice the same lack of acidity which is interesting but I found makes coffee more boring I like a pleasant acidity in my coffees usually.
Thanks for the video and the info! I’m really curious on the research idea you proposed that rounder particles are better than long ones! Looking forward to this kind of research :)
this my first video I've seen by you super funny love it, new subscriber. I would love to see a review of the varia evo if possible. electric hand grinder sounds really cool. I have a vs3 and love it, hoping for the evo to be good for traveling.
at 08:41 you show an excellent graphic grouping the broad flavor categories found in coffee. I'm specifically trying to maximize the bottom tier, which you perfectly describe as having notes of dark chocolate, caramel, and roasted nuts. What would you recommend for someone trying to emphasize those characteristics ? (I'm not at all interested in the upper tiers characterized by citrus and floral notes)
Was in the market for a hand grinder about a month ago and was really considering this but was scared off by the obvious inattention to detail, which I feared would bleed into the cups it produced--also not a ton of reviews. So I went with the safer bet of a 1Zpresso. Not disappointed, but think that this review would've swayed me the other direction.
Great review! Would be keen on particle shape impact on sensory and which grinders produce which shapes. Also, it'd be better if you focus on organoleptic aspects like you focused here than a Gagne-eque focus on quantitative optimizations.
Most hand grinders have a similar bolt on too for the handle so you should be able to that with most hand grinders however it's probably a bad idea. You want a steady slow rpm ideally which is why most of these hand grinders do so well.
@@BensCoffeeRants interesting, I wonder what people see with it. With a drill, I get very stable speed, which van be varied. On my jmax I do see a difference with speed, faster is finer and I would need to adjust grind coarser. With ZP6, no difference with speeds. This is only done for pour over and speeds are maybe 60-600x/min, all stable
@@AllenF-1that's interesting the zp6 isn't as affected by the rpm. Do you have the zp6 that had the slow feeding issue / popcorning? I found some are slow to grind others are pretty quick without that issue. You can feel its not grinding much at one time and takes a while to get the last fragments ground if you have one with that issue.
The Orca is definitely odd. The price was around $200 a few months ago. If the clicks and catch cup were updates it would be a lot better of an experience
Just because I find it fascinating… and I hope it comes across as love of the subject and interest rather than nitpicking… it isn’t technically the surface area which is larger with these burrs, but the distance the grounds travel. And distance might be more important. Because radius/diameter are squared when calculating area of a circle, the higher outer radius of other flat burrs overpowers the rest of the numbers. As that outer radius gets larger, the area grows at an increasing rate, not exponential growth, but quadratic. However, if you think about the path traveled by a bean, it doesn’t really travel across an area, but a relatively narrow band. If you only look at a narrow arc, about 1mm wide, the area in that small arc is going to be larger on the Orca’s burrs. For any individual fragment of coffee, it probably mostly goes in a straight line, so the larger difference between the outer radius and inner radius on the Orca leads to a longer distance traveled. Probably. Coffee might move around more side-to-side than I know while being ground up. If I had to guess, total area probably matters for grind speed and the total amount of coffee ground, but the thoroughness and quality of the final grounds probably has more to do with distance traveled and that inner-outer difference. With the way that the Orca tends to brew rather well, but be on the slower side, that fits. But I’m not a burr scientist. I just did some basic geometry after a different orca review I watched. Overall, the Orca looks like an interesting grinder, a good idea, but an execution which isn’t quite there yet, and a not-that-great build quality experience. I personally wouldn’t buy one, but maybe the next generation.
Great review as we have come to expect from you. Intrigued to see the meticulous is your espresso go to machine. Any chance of a six month update on that beauty?
The meticulous is still great. It’s become a tad noisy for some reason and the software is still a bit clunky and missing some of the nicer features that the new v10 has. But otherwise it’s pretty great tbh.
6:16 Those beans look like they’re very lightly roasted. Is that really the case or is it just the lighting or colour grading? Btw, love this video. The intro was quite cheeky but superb! 😁 (Slightly embarrassed that I got the innuendo😊).
Sounds like a very different profile from what I've heard. Pietro brew burrs are likely more similar to ssp MP 64mm flat burrs. If you want good flavor clarity and acidity that's a better choice but also a lot more expensive and probably not that much nicer to use. I like the zp6 for a smooth tea like pour over and timemore c2 and c3 for a more traditional brew. Timemore c2 and c3 are super cheap too.
Hey guys why don’t you bring a video on few budget friendly hand grinders? Secondly the quality of the videos being produced now are just great and really interesting
@@Phil_OG is the ZP6 a budget grinder at 200 bucks? 😅 I think something like Kingrinder K6 and P0/1 or 1Zpresso Q Air would rather fall into the budget category.
What I would like to add, considering that I only used it for filter and the only other manual grinder I use is the 1zpresso K Plus, is that 1. I haven't experienced coffee getting stuck in the catch cup this much. Except for the first grind. Then it was an even coat all over the walls. I haven't seen anything like it. 2. After sifting though a few loads with the Kruve, what I saw is that it produces a lot less fines than my other handgrinder, but for me the spread of grind sizes was wider. Over all more even, with less fines, but quite a lot of big chunks. Lastly the flavour profile that it produces is exactly why I got it, and I really like it especially with floral coffees.
I would think so. That and other design aspects of the grinder. I remember feeling similarly when I first tried the Pietro but that was not nearly as bad as this.
Could you please get the SoFi back in stock, talk about the optimal grind size for filter coffee using a 1zpresso or any other burr grinder, review popular Indian coffee beans that you sell on Aram’s and please, please please. Somehow become more famous so people know about Indian coffee better? I’d love to help in anyway I could! HMU.
The ghost burrs version, found as Potu on the internet, exists for years, but people is too much stuck in the conical-flat bubble, to consider such... heresy. The fines quantity is so small that many people simply can't evaluate the taste of such coffee. Just compare under 400 microns fraction, about 8% for ghost versus 11-13% for any other conical. It simply lacks the body everyone is so accustomed.
I see no point with the Pietro out there, better build, best in class burr access, offer also two burrs, little effort in cranking, easy adjustment I prefer over any other that doesn’t loose its settings or calibration when taken burr out and clean a unique feature in handgrinders. It also has the correct orientation of flat burr for a flat handgrinder. It has one shortcomings it is big heavy and use while grinding take times to get accustomed too and some won’t like the way it needed to be hold/hold down… in cup it’s the cleanest, with best seperation and imho beats the 64mm Ssp MP v 1 & 2 that it resembles, the other burr is a more classic profile burr.
@@aramse It’s €272 excluding shipping, import duties and VAT, bringing it into my region would make it around €400 making it more expensive than the Pietro in my location, So while in Asia/India it might be cheaper but it will be in exactly the same price bracket here. The Pietro is €350 so even before all the taxes the price is very close of €78.
Woudn't be better if you bought it? I mean, with no money exchanging hands, it's a gift, and one would be inclined to be nice. Not saying you did it, just wondering about this.
It’s definitely a tricky balancing act and while we’d love to buy everything we review we’re not at the stage where we can just yet. That being said I was certainly not nice in this video :)
2 burrs 1 cup? That is an interesting reference for a channel exclusively about brown liquids.
Let’s skip discussing body and mouth feel. 😜
You guys are sick! I love it! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol😂
brown liquids that make me produce more brown liquids at that
🤣🤣🤣
"Blame Lance Hedrick" loooool. I recently bought a MHW-3Bomber blind shaker after seeing his videos
Does it work welI for you? I bought it and quite disappointed.
@@thamtham4924 why? What happened? You might actually save me some money on this.
For anyone struggling to grind beans with a specific handgrinder, what I noticed is that it becomes easier if you use frozen beans (no RDT necessary). It might not be true for every hand grinder, but this is what I noticed from my limited experience. I think freezing makes the beans more brittle and therefore easier to fracture/cut/shatter.
Grinding frozen beans also results in more uniform grind size and clearer cups. I freeze beans in ziploc bags with as much air removed as possible. Beans from 1 year ago still taste fresh. You save so much money by buying coffee in bulk and then freezing them.
Regrinding also works
The first thirty seconds of this video are proof that Raghunath is the funniest coffee YTer out there.
Here's hoping all the attention from your recent success is enough to spread the word...🙏
The quality of the videos are getting better and better, keep it up
Congrats on the Sprudgie! Well deserved!
As for this grinder, great idea with the burr system but if the UX is bad I don’t know if I could get over it. The coffee coming out of it might taste great but the coffee making process is just as important to me. I’m sure there’s a market for this type of grinder though and we’ll have a dope product that does it all some day soon.
Absolutely interested in the shape of grounds and flavor profile, I've been interested in balls and grains of sand rounded cylinders to give great results with at most some roundish triangles to fill in gaps and have water pass through more evenly
That "blame Lance Hedrick" tag had me rolling :)
the particle shape dictates how much surface to volume ratio the particle has
in immersion:
the round particles have the least surface/volume therefore get the least extracted
flat sides, narrow scales and pointy shards, in that order, will get higher extractions
Again man, your review always distinct, thanks for all of your reviews and details originated
Now I definitely want to see how the Potu compares.
I loved your "How to pour" video, I use it daily in my coffee routine to tweak my brews. I am surprised though, I always assume the equipment reviews and such outperform niche technique videos. Glad I was wrong! You are one of my favorite coffee UA-camrs and I've recommended your videos channel every chance I get.
We were just as surprised at how much better the how-to and tutorial style videos of ours performed compared to the reviews. We also enjoy making those more so I guess it’s a win. They’re a lot harder though. :)
I'd been curious about this grinder for a long time now.
I had one that looked exactly like the Potu but with only ghost burrs, the one with the adjustment mechanism in the middle that worked like the Weber key. And it suffered from a lot of the same issues you mention here but also had a lot of fines. I think it looked like it had a conical pre breaker that was slow to feed the coffee into the burrs. It also wasn't easy to grind with. I think yours seems better. I did notice the same lack of acidity which is interesting but I found makes coffee more boring I like a pleasant acidity in my coffees usually.
Thanks for the video and the info! I’m really curious on the research idea you proposed that rounder particles are better than long ones! Looking forward to this kind of research :)
this my first video I've seen by you super funny love it, new subscriber. I would love to see a review of the varia evo if possible. electric hand grinder sounds really cool. I have a vs3 and love it, hoping for the evo to be good for traveling.
Hello please make video on 1zpresso zp6
at 08:41 you show an excellent graphic grouping the broad flavor categories found in coffee. I'm specifically trying to maximize the bottom tier, which you perfectly describe as having notes of dark chocolate, caramel, and roasted nuts. What would you recommend for someone trying to emphasize those characteristics ? (I'm not at all interested in the upper tiers characterized by citrus and floral notes)
darker roasts, lower temps
How does it compare to the heptagonal conical handgrinders such as C40 and K-series?
Was in the market for a hand grinder about a month ago and was really considering this but was scared off by the obvious inattention to detail, which I feared would bleed into the cups it produced--also not a ton of reviews. So I went with the safer bet of a 1Zpresso. Not disappointed, but think that this review would've swayed me the other direction.
Another great review, thanks!
How does this grinder compare to the zp6 in terms of taste for filter coffee?
Congratulations on the Sprudgie. It’s well deserved.
Great review! Would be keen on particle shape impact on sensory and which grinders produce which shapes. Also, it'd be better if you focus on organoleptic aspects like you focused here than a Gagne-eque focus on quantitative optimizations.
i see the timemore s3 👀👀 havent seen many youtube videos covering it yet
Good eye
Can you use a cordless drill, like the 1zpresso?
Most hand grinders have a similar bolt on too for the handle so you should be able to that with most hand grinders however it's probably a bad idea. You want a steady slow rpm ideally which is why most of these hand grinders do so well.
@@BensCoffeeRants interesting, I wonder what people see with it. With a drill, I get very stable speed, which van be varied. On my jmax I do see a difference with speed, faster is finer and I would need to adjust grind coarser. With ZP6, no difference with speeds. This is only done for pour over and speeds are maybe 60-600x/min, all stable
@@AllenF-1that's interesting the zp6 isn't as affected by the rpm. Do you have the zp6 that had the slow feeding issue / popcorning? I found some are slow to grind others are pretty quick without that issue. You can feel its not grinding much at one time and takes a while to get the last fragments ground if you have one with that issue.
Where's the cup at 9:10 from?
The Orca is definitely odd.
The price was around $200 a few months ago.
If the clicks and catch cup were updates it would be a lot better of an experience
Just because I find it fascinating… and I hope it comes across as love of the subject and interest rather than nitpicking… it isn’t technically the surface area which is larger with these burrs, but the distance the grounds travel. And distance might be more important.
Because radius/diameter are squared when calculating area of a circle, the higher outer radius of other flat burrs overpowers the rest of the numbers. As that outer radius gets larger, the area grows at an increasing rate, not exponential growth, but quadratic.
However, if you think about the path traveled by a bean, it doesn’t really travel across an area, but a relatively narrow band. If you only look at a narrow arc, about 1mm wide, the area in that small arc is going to be larger on the Orca’s burrs. For any individual fragment of coffee, it probably mostly goes in a straight line, so the larger difference between the outer radius and inner radius on the Orca leads to a longer distance traveled. Probably. Coffee might move around more side-to-side than I know while being ground up.
If I had to guess, total area probably matters for grind speed and the total amount of coffee ground, but the thoroughness and quality of the final grounds probably has more to do with distance traveled and that inner-outer difference. With the way that the Orca tends to brew rather well, but be on the slower side, that fits. But I’m not a burr scientist. I just did some basic geometry after a different orca review I watched.
Overall, the Orca looks like an interesting grinder, a good idea, but an execution which isn’t quite there yet, and a not-that-great build quality experience. I personally wouldn’t buy one, but maybe the next generation.
Great review as we have come to expect from you. Intrigued to see the meticulous is your espresso go to machine. Any chance of a six month update on that beauty?
The meticulous is still great. It’s become a tad noisy for some reason and the software is still a bit clunky and missing some of the nicer features that the new v10 has. But otherwise it’s pretty great tbh.
6:16 Those beans look like they’re very lightly roasted. Is that really the case or is it just the lighting or colour grading?
Btw, love this video. The intro was quite cheeky but superb! 😁 (Slightly embarrassed that I got the innuendo😊).
They are pretty light but the lighting is washing them out a little.
Great review! And congratulations on the well-deserved Sprudgie award!
How would you say this grinder compares to the Pietro, in the cup?
Sounds like a very different profile from what I've heard. Pietro brew burrs are likely more similar to ssp MP 64mm flat burrs. If you want good flavor clarity and acidity that's a better choice but also a lot more expensive and probably not that much nicer to use.
I like the zp6 for a smooth tea like pour over and timemore c2 and c3 for a more traditional brew. Timemore c2 and c3 are super cheap too.
I really love your brand name "ARAMSE" 😄😉😎
Hey guys why don’t you bring a video on few budget friendly hand grinders?
Secondly the quality of the videos being produced now are just great and really interesting
Noted. Budget equipment in general is something we’ve discussed internally and plan to focus on this year.
Yeah that's great! 1zpresso grinders would be nice - like the zp6@@aramse
@@Phil_OG is the ZP6 a budget grinder at 200 bucks? 😅 I think something like Kingrinder K6 and P0/1 or 1Zpresso Q Air would rather fall into the budget category.
whats your recommendation for light roast coffee roasters in india, ive tried bloom and grey soul and tokai
Qbf
What I would like to add, considering that I only used it for filter and the only other manual grinder I use is the 1zpresso K Plus, is that
1. I haven't experienced coffee getting stuck in the catch cup this much. Except for the first grind. Then it was an even coat all over the walls. I haven't seen anything like it.
2. After sifting though a few loads with the Kruve, what I saw is that it produces a lot less fines than my other handgrinder, but for me the spread of grind sizes was wider. Over all more even, with less fines, but quite a lot of big chunks.
Lastly the flavour profile that it produces is exactly why I got it, and I really like it especially with floral coffees.
Keep up the good work!
Could the feel and feedback from this grinder be attributed to it having flat instead of conical burrs?
I would think so. That and other design aspects of the grinder. I remember feeling similarly when I first tried the Pietro but that was not nearly as bad as this.
@@aramse thanks!
That opening line 😂
I think if 1ZPresso did that I might be interested.
Okay man that was wild out of the gate come on
Hi bro may i know where are you based ? Which country?
Could you please get the SoFi back in stock, talk about the optimal grind size for filter coffee using a 1zpresso or any other burr grinder, review popular Indian coffee beans that you sell on Aram’s and please, please please. Somehow become more famous so people know about Indian coffee better? I’d love to help in anyway I could! HMU.
The ghost burrs version, found as Potu on the internet, exists for years, but people is too much stuck in the conical-flat bubble, to consider such... heresy.
The fines quantity is so small that many people simply can't evaluate the taste of such coffee.
Just compare under 400 microns fraction, about 8% for ghost versus 11-13% for any other conical. It simply lacks the body everyone is so accustomed.
I see no point with the Pietro out there, better build, best in class burr access, offer also two burrs, little effort in cranking, easy adjustment I prefer over any other that doesn’t loose its settings or calibration when taken burr out and clean a unique feature in handgrinders. It also has the correct orientation of flat burr for a flat handgrinder. It has one shortcomings it is big heavy and use while grinding take times to get accustomed too and some won’t like the way it needed to be hold/hold down… in cup it’s the cleanest, with best seperation and imho beats the 64mm Ssp MP v 1 & 2 that it resembles, the other burr is a more classic profile burr.
All fair points but you’re talking about a completely different price point so it’s hard to compare the two.
@@aramse It’s €272 excluding shipping, import duties and VAT, bringing it into my region would make it around €400 making it more expensive than the Pietro in my location, So while in Asia/India it might be cheaper but it will be in exactly the same price bracket here. The Pietro is €350 so even before all the taxes the price is very close of €78.
Hi, are this Ghost burrs are a good combo with the zp6 or too similar, taste speaking
Woudn't be better if you bought it? I mean, with no money exchanging hands, it's a gift, and one would be inclined to be nice. Not saying you did it, just wondering about this.
It’s definitely a tricky balancing act and while we’d love to buy everything we review we’re not at the stage where we can just yet. That being said I was certainly not nice in this video :)