Mango hasn’t lost a tournament set to a samus since Hugs at Evo 2007. Even then, that set at Evo 2007 was him playing jigglypuff and was a best of 3. Mang0’s spacies are undefeated vs samus and he has never lost a best of five to a samus. That is a crazy stat considering we are now in an era where Axe has lost to two Marth players and Hbox has lost to a peach (matchups they were once known for being undefeated in for 10+ years) I know samus is less common than those characters but still it’s an interesting stat
@@mspaintspartanman5230 sorry, as a samus main i get a lot of shit and people talk about how broken some of samus's stuff is and I honestly sometimes get so sick of it. You are right, nobody argues that Samus is a top tier, but a lot of people talk about how good she is and yeah she is kinda good but I think people underestimate how hard she is to play above low level
@@TuftedDreamer i dont think so, it looks like he just barely ran into like the last frame of the usmash's weak hitbox from in front because samus is bulky which he didn't expect and got sent downwards since late upsmash would usually send straight back but since it's reverse it just bounced him off of him lol
morse doing some sick tech the commentators didn't pick up on - a kind of bomb mini wave land, like at 10:54 (he does it in the pokemon stadium game a bunch as well). awesome way to apply shield pressure and cross up on shield that i don't see a lot of other contemporary samuses doing
The only time I consumed an entire 2liter of mountain dew in one day, it was for a double all-nighter for the final projects of multiple classes during my sophomore year at MIT. In total I was awake for 56 hours, thanks in large part to that 2liter on day 2. But for morsecode I guess that's just a casual Sunday of video games? Literally built different.
If Morse is going to commit to the up b being part of his gameplan, then he needs to get better at identifying his mix-up options when he's under pressure so that he can open the door to either go for grabs or wavedash back to reset neutral or what have you. Your goal really when you're using an attack like that is to keep the opponent guessing. All you have to do is pre-emptively determine when or if Mang0 is going to drop shield (which isn't to say he isn't doing that already, but he's has room to improve there on his hard reads). Like, when i was grinding Smash Ultimate constantly, learning when to hold and delay the up smash or up b with Cloud was incredibly essential to my gameplan among other things. Obviously in Melee, the game's much faster and you're having to account for Fox's shine as a get off me tool, but its still the same situation basically. You've already conditioned Mang0 to shield, the hard part is out of the way. Now you just have to identify what all of your possible options in that situation is and be able to perform any of those consistently. That's not even to mention that you have 5 i frames at the beginning of Samus's up B. The whole thing is just a game of chicken, there's not that much of a reason to panic.
You can't buffer options in Melee like you do in Ultimate, so the option select is not as free. It is mentally taxing to react to a specific move and have the right timing. Also Samus' grab is much slower and easy to punish in Melee (I think it is almost punishable on reaction if you recognize the visual cue), so getting Mango to shield really isn't enough to make progress. You need to win several neutral interactions just to damage Fox's shield safely, so I get why someone would panic and throw up-B's to get the upper hand. Let's not make it seem like playing against a Fox who plays the match up almost perfectly is not panic inducing.
I see where youre coming from as an ult player, because in my understanding its pretty easy to pick out what you "should" do when it comes to defense in that game. But in melee, especially in an actual game, it gets a lot more difficult. Reacting to fox's shield pressure is extremely difficult mid game, with the commentators even speaking about the mental stack it takes to play like morse does against Mang0. Morse is also playing against the guy who kinda invented tricky shield pressure, so i think your analysis of "the hard part is out of the way" isnt as nuanced as it should be. From my perspective, Mang0 isnt shielding in front of morse because hes conditioned to. Instead, i think Mang0 has conditioned morse to exclusively up-b oos because hes made him feel like its his only option (it kinda is, this matchup is so bad); its an adaptation to how much morse is up-bing out of shield. "conditioning" a player in as simple of a situation as a single mixup situation out of shield is not how the game works especially at the top level. in my opinion, Morse should be more aware of his mixups out of shield rather than making up b a central part of his gameplan like you said. But i dont play samus and im nowhere near as good as I should be to make qualified statements like that LOL Your ideas are correct though i think your understanding of the game lacks depth. Morse did start getting a lot more grabs and taking advantage of the shield heavy style Mang0 was making use of but it was unfortunately too little too late with it being the last games of the set. Mang0 also adapting to the adaptation that Morse made kinda shows how many layers there are to this game which are impossible to calculate
it's not an FPS lol, aim is almost irrelevant he went for some reads and didn't get them, the outcome wasn't any worse than if he held the charge and never tried
I love Morsecode's Samus and his overall playstyle and gameplan, but sometimes it feels like he doesn't react to certain situations well or his timings are a bit off
most of them weren’t reads. He missed a couple after knockdown, when I’m pretty sure you can cover ever tech option fox has with a well timed shot. I’m not a Samus so idk for sure
Lmfao, Morsecode is terrible. Mango just not grabbing him at all. He's just letting him block 1500 times a match. Also he does the same recovery ever single time in every single set, they're just bad at edge guarding it for some reason. This will be the best tournament of his life. Called it.
@@UltimaScout No, if your decision making is succeeding "every single time" theres no competitive incentive to "shake things up." Mixups only become advantageous when your opponent demonstrates the capacity to counterplay your options. A lower level player may have difficulty understanding this concept
Morse wiped the floor with mango, took a HUGE mountain dew sip and then proceeded to lose 3 games in a row
*Morse won game 1
@@melikmourali2072 with 2 stocks after sd
Spoiler :(
Morsecode needs to switch to fruit smoothies, then it’s np.
Mango hasn’t lost a tournament set to a samus since Hugs at Evo 2007. Even then, that set at Evo 2007 was him playing jigglypuff and was a best of 3. Mang0’s spacies are undefeated vs samus and he has never lost a best of five to a samus. That is a crazy stat considering we are now in an era where Axe has lost to two Marth players and Hbox has lost to a peach (matchups they were once known for being undefeated in for 10+ years) I know samus is less common than those characters but still it’s an interesting stat
Even though the match-ups suck, Marth and Peach are top tiers. Not that remarkable imo, his stats against Falcon is more impressive.
Mangos puff only has like 3 losses fucking ever its wild. Kage is the last one
And people still say samus is a top tier 😭
@@icegod4849 when did anyone ever say this in the past 8 years?
@@mspaintspartanman5230 sorry, as a samus main i get a lot of shit and people talk about how broken some of samus's stuff is and I honestly sometimes get so sick of it. You are right, nobody argues that Samus is a top tier, but a lot of people talk about how good she is and yeah she is kinda good but I think people underestimate how hard she is to play above low level
Morse drinking that big ass mtn dew is so funny to me idk why
He had to dew it to em
Same lol idk how he kept a straight face
the 2L bottle is what makes it hilarious to me. Like he plans to finish that bottle in grands
Gamer juice
are you also a fat nerd like he is? cus that would make sense
Damn, that was some good ass Tekken
Morse code seems like a freaking nightmare to play against
6:33 morse got hit by a reverse weak up smash. i don't think i've ever seen that before
Good catch
fox usmash is another level off bullshit lmao
Isn't that just downward DI when he gets hit and tecs the floor ?
@@TuftedDreamer i dont think so, it looks like he just barely ran into like the last frame of the usmash's weak hitbox from in front because samus is bulky which he didn't expect and got sent downwards since late upsmash would usually send straight back but since it's reverse it just bounced him off of him lol
morse doing some sick tech the commentators didn't pick up on - a kind of bomb mini wave land, like at 10:54 (he does it in the pokemon stadium game a bunch as well). awesome way to apply shield pressure and cross up on shield that i don't see a lot of other contemporary samuses doing
Mang definitely deserves some credit for this one, so patient and consistent. Not free:)
Commentators have never informed me a player is a heel so effectively at the beginning of a set in my LIFE
The only time I consumed an entire 2liter of mountain dew in one day, it was for a double all-nighter for the final projects of multiple classes during my sophomore year at MIT. In total I was awake for 56 hours, thanks in large part to that 2liter on day 2.
But for morsecode I guess that's just a casual Sunday of video games? Literally built different.
I would crash and burn on the second day
14:52 morsecode drop down rising fair to hit that roll and instant dsmash was siiick
The Cody Killer 😎👉
Gracias por subir esto a UA-cam !!!
6:22 PAIN
"oh ill just open a random smash vod to watch samus gameplay"
SNEEDS FEED AND SEED!?
fomerly chucks
Morse's defence is baffling. It just... Works.
If Morse is going to commit to the up b being part of his gameplan, then he needs to get better at identifying his mix-up options when he's under pressure so that he can open the door to either go for grabs or wavedash back to reset neutral or what have you. Your goal really when you're using an attack like that is to keep the opponent guessing. All you have to do is pre-emptively determine when or if Mang0 is going to drop shield (which isn't to say he isn't doing that already, but he's has room to improve there on his hard reads).
Like, when i was grinding Smash Ultimate constantly, learning when to hold and delay the up smash or up b with Cloud was incredibly essential to my gameplan among other things. Obviously in Melee, the game's much faster and you're having to account for Fox's shine as a get off me tool, but its still the same situation basically. You've already conditioned Mang0 to shield, the hard part is out of the way. Now you just have to identify what all of your possible options in that situation is and be able to perform any of those consistently.
That's not even to mention that you have 5 i frames at the beginning of Samus's up B. The whole thing is just a game of chicken, there's not that much of a reason to panic.
You can't buffer options in Melee like you do in Ultimate, so the option select is not as free. It is mentally taxing to react to a specific move and have the right timing. Also Samus' grab is much slower and easy to punish in Melee (I think it is almost punishable on reaction if you recognize the visual cue), so getting Mango to shield really isn't enough to make progress.
You need to win several neutral interactions just to damage Fox's shield safely, so I get why someone would panic and throw up-B's to get the upper hand. Let's not make it seem like playing against a Fox who plays the match up almost perfectly is not panic inducing.
I see where youre coming from as an ult player, because in my understanding its pretty easy to pick out what you "should" do when it comes to defense in that game. But in melee, especially in an actual game, it gets a lot more difficult. Reacting to fox's shield pressure is extremely difficult mid game, with the commentators even speaking about the mental stack it takes to play like morse does against Mang0. Morse is also playing against the guy who kinda invented tricky shield pressure, so i think your analysis of "the hard part is out of the way" isnt as nuanced as it should be.
From my perspective, Mang0 isnt shielding in front of morse because hes conditioned to. Instead, i think Mang0 has conditioned morse to exclusively up-b oos because hes made him feel like its his only option (it kinda is, this matchup is so bad); its an adaptation to how much morse is up-bing out of shield. "conditioning" a player in as simple of a situation as a single mixup situation out of shield is not how the game works especially at the top level. in my opinion, Morse should be more aware of his mixups out of shield rather than making up b a central part of his gameplan like you said. But i dont play samus and im nowhere near as good as I should be to make qualified statements like that LOL
Your ideas are correct though i think your understanding of the game lacks depth. Morse did start getting a lot more grabs and taking advantage of the shield heavy style Mang0 was making use of but it was unfortunately too little too late with it being the last games of the set. Mang0 also adapting to the adaptation that Morse made kinda shows how many layers there are to this game which are impossible to calculate
Formerly chucks
Yea I'm sure mango asked for Hugs practice before this match.
Cody study this set!
Why didn't morse go for any ledgehogs? I feel like every time I watch spacies that's at least a consideration
This Samus reminds me of a dude who used to play 64 named Kabal
Dude that’s the type of bottle they use at pizza parties 😂😂😂
That was clinical
Anybody seen Morsecode hit a charge shot? Obviously the best Samus but mans a worse shot than hugo
he hit a charge shot on cody on yoshi's story in their set before this one
it's not an FPS lol, aim is almost irrelevant
he went for some reads and didn't get them, the outcome wasn't any worse than if he held the charge and never tried
@@slenderMax28 Hey I know that guy!
I love Morsecode's Samus and his overall playstyle and gameplan, but sometimes it feels like he doesn't react to certain situations well or his timings are a bit off
most of them weren’t reads. He missed a couple after knockdown, when I’m pretty sure you can cover ever tech option fox has with a well timed shot. I’m not a Samus so idk for sure
Lets GO!!! close fight
morse hits every f smash but misses every charge shot
goddamn morsecode looks annoying to play against haha
The Morsecode slayer 💪
Morse is the prime gamer
モース硬度って名前いいな
Samus is a tank
First
This commentary sucks.
Mango boring me with that S rank broken character.
Lmfao, Morsecode is terrible. Mango just not grabbing him at all. He's just letting him block 1500 times a match. Also he does the same recovery ever single time in every single set, they're just bad at edge guarding it for some reason. This will be the best tournament of his life. Called it.
ok pal
@@papadelta9485 funny how kids these days abilities have degenerated compared to the way they used to be. This is like 2015 local level Samus.
You ever think he does the same recovery because his opponents arent covering it
@@ryanlucht6625 Yeah, complacency and inability to shake things up shows the lower level of play
@@UltimaScout No, if your decision making is succeeding "every single time" theres no competitive incentive to "shake things up." Mixups only become advantageous when your opponent demonstrates the capacity to counterplay your options. A lower level player may have difficulty understanding this concept