Elon Musk’s Neuralink: what’s science and what’s not

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2020
  • Elon Musk showed off the latest progress on his Neuralink brain interface last month. But his biggest claims - telepathy, merging brains with AI - weren’t exactly thought through. So what will it take to connect the latest tech to arguably the most mysterious thing in the universe: the human brain?
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    2018 study on recording mouse memory neurons:
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  • @VergeScience
    @VergeScience  3 роки тому +99

    What would it take for you to get a Neuralink implant?

    • @pip5461
      @pip5461 3 роки тому +51

      "What would it take" ..? At a guess I would say some sort of neurological issues !

    • @zhorian1071
      @zhorian1071 3 роки тому +17

      If it wasn’t made by musk I’d probably get one

    • @prairiepanda
      @prairiepanda 3 роки тому +31

      I've always thought that direct internet access to your brain would be great....but I don't think I would actually go through with it, for fear of my brain getting hacked. Imagine some sneaky Bitcoin miner getting sideloaded directly into your brain and taking over all your processing capabilities. Suddenly you're a vegetable, living to generate profit for a stranger.

    • @Ukog1005
      @Ukog1005 3 роки тому +10

      I’m willing to be tested on, wouldn’t even hesitate if offered

    • @gnomechump-stiny7128
      @gnomechump-stiny7128 3 роки тому

      Hmm

  • @Chemson1989
    @Chemson1989 3 роки тому +65

    Before Neuralink,
    I can't speak
    After Neuralink,
    "We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."

  • @animationspace8550
    @animationspace8550 3 роки тому +66

    "I think it's gonna... blow your mind..."
    People who purchased the link:
    oh no.

  • @robmusial
    @robmusial 3 роки тому +416

    Watching the Gertrude demo I didn't take away that Neuralink had invented some new technology. I thought the demo was just to show that the new small threaded connections and device actually worked and that it was safe and still working after several months.

    • @resonanceofambition
      @resonanceofambition 3 роки тому +23

      It's a small but reasonable improvement but hea, these asswipes didn't get their fully functional full-option BMI and now they immediately think they have some sort of moral/technical high-ground to stand on.

    • @bernardeugenio
      @bernardeugenio 3 роки тому +1

      @@resonanceofambition why do you think they have a moral/technical high-ground?

    • @bernardeugenio
      @bernardeugenio 3 роки тому +14

      well, musk talks about lofty ideas, so they focused on how real or how fast they could be achieved.

    • @incription
      @incription 3 роки тому +8

      @@resonanceofambition go back to reddit

    • @cog592
      @cog592 3 роки тому +8

      Elon Musk said the demo was just for recruiting

  • @DA-sp2qy
    @DA-sp2qy 3 роки тому +50

    Musk is all about overselling and underperforming. It's more about getting investors and less about timeline based dilivery

    • @mehul205
      @mehul205 3 роки тому +3

      True

    • @chuckbass7276
      @chuckbass7276 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah i guess Tesla is underperforming as the best electric car in the world.

    • @DA-sp2qy
      @DA-sp2qy 2 роки тому +7

      @@chuckbass7276 it is,
      FSD was supposed to turn the car into robo taxi generating income for the customers in 2020
      Roadster is behind timeline, so is the cyber truck and the semi
      When you promise something and then done deliver on time its called under-performance

    • @mdjey2
      @mdjey2 Рік тому +1

      @@chuckbass7276 Technically yes, because they still don't have Cybertruck, Roadster and Semi while Volvo and Ford has already released cars and every time Musk says "Next year."

  • @anonismust
    @anonismust 3 роки тому +418

    TO FUTURE ME,
    IN 2020 I POSTED THIS COMMENT USING MY PHYSICAL FINGERS TO TYPE.

    • @stonechaisson8156
      @stonechaisson8156 3 роки тому +15

      TO FUTURE ME,
      IN 2020 I POSTED THIS REPLY USING MY PHYSICAL FINGERS TO TYPE

    • @dracenas6625
      @dracenas6625 3 роки тому +6

      @@stonechaisson8156 DEAR FUTURE ME, IN 2020 I ACTUALLY USED MY PHYSICAL FINGERS THAT REPLIED TO A REPLY

    • @ianbelair3047
      @ianbelair3047 3 роки тому +1

      Calculated

    • @law9062
      @law9062 3 роки тому +2

      Hi future you

    • @dravitsuki8913
      @dravitsuki8913 3 роки тому +2

      I was here

  • @heronumbertwo3171
    @heronumbertwo3171 3 роки тому +35

    Imagine your ai chip being hacked, and you involuntarily sing its everydag bro for 69 days

    • @mehul205
      @mehul205 3 роки тому +2

      That would be one of the most brutal ways to kill someone

    • @justanothermind9449
      @justanothermind9449 2 роки тому +1

      imagine waking up to choking yourself and unable to stop yourself

  • @kevinbradleymaddox
    @kevinbradleymaddox 3 роки тому +19

    From a neuroscience perspective, movement has been one of the easiest and most robust things to measure (predict) in the brain. I can imagine that Neuralink might be meaningfully linked to movement, but stating it will cure depression or any mental disease is just ridiculous at this point in time (or the next 10 years)

  • @LinnyGFX
    @LinnyGFX 3 роки тому +155

    I'm all for letting Elon advance his technology, and I think we all should be too. He said himself in the event that it won't become mainstream for another 50 years if at all. The worst I see coming from this is a failed business attempt, but we are at least going to learn some breakthrough facts about our brain in the process.

    • @gig2734
      @gig2734 3 роки тому +11

      Just making existing technology easier to use can be very valuable.

    • @LinnyGFX
      @LinnyGFX 3 роки тому +1

      @@gig2734 exactly.

    • @shreyanjoshi3622
      @shreyanjoshi3622 3 роки тому

      @@gig2734 like what? Genuinely asking, not making any jibe.

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 3 роки тому +9

      Also he usually just slaps his name and adds funds to existing companies/developers not using his "Genius "

    • @warpspace7871
      @warpspace7871 3 роки тому

      Hm. They are both good in a way. Sometimes it's good to have answers that not questioned

  • @jakeplease31
    @jakeplease31 3 роки тому +441

    This was a bit lazy. Skepticism seems like a weak stance to take, would’ve been more interesting with quotes from neuroscientists, neural surgeons, behavioral scientists, and so on

    • @MicroscopicMedia
      @MicroscopicMedia 3 роки тому +45

      Right? What do these vice people even know about what might be possible. Also, Musk never said neuralink would be healing anxiety but merely that the idea of curing it with a device like neuralink was mechanically possible.

    • @tamie341
      @tamie341 3 роки тому +15

      Lol the hype compared to their progress is underwhelming to say the least. Their are also other companies working on this for longer, just not as publicly known. We are decades away from the bs Musk is spewing

    • @letssuperfuntime
      @letssuperfuntime 3 роки тому +3

      There's plenty of that going around, do some legwork and you'll find it.
      Loot at the MIT technology review for instance.

    • @thestriders1771
      @thestriders1771 3 роки тому +18

      @@MicroscopicMedia bro its not like that. I am a med student. And believee when we learn about brain we only speculate. We still have no technology that can map individual neuroms and function. Biology is not a precise science every thing is relative and simultaneous. Musk is just fooling u.

    • @BlackCenturx
      @BlackCenturx 3 роки тому +8

      @@thestriders1771 Musk founded a company whit own money researching brain stuff and furthering humanitys understanding of it. If THAT is fooling people.. then yes, Musk, PLEASE fool all of us!

  • @QuestionEverythingButWHY
    @QuestionEverythingButWHY 3 роки тому +105

    “I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.”
    ― Richard Feynman

    • @acbdd4571
      @acbdd4571 3 роки тому +12

      "This is what happens when you work to change things, and first they think you're crazy, then they fight you, and then all of a sudden you change the world."
      - Elizabeth Holmes

    • @DrINTJ
      @DrINTJ 3 роки тому +6

      The moral of the story, in fact, that he's a BS artist.

    • @rohscx
      @rohscx 3 роки тому +2

      This 💯% great quote

    • @ajsmith8587
      @ajsmith8587 3 роки тому +10

      @@acbdd4571 wasn't she exposed for running a medical scam, and isn't that quote a rip off of Gandhi's 'First the ignore you , then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ?

    • @Born2Losenot2win
      @Born2Losenot2win 3 роки тому +1

      cool, but y?

  • @redabitar
    @redabitar 3 роки тому +56

    Are you really discrediting his achievement on the basis of “other people have tried this before and have failed”?
    Good thing you guys weren’t around when Elon was talking about his plan to make a rocket that can land safely on drones in the sea.

    • @Gardor
      @Gardor 3 роки тому +7

      seriously this video is big yikes

    • @PeidosFTW
      @PeidosFTW 3 роки тому +2

      What has he achieved that hasn't been done before with neuralink? It's good that they made it more portable but they don't seem to be focusing on research of the brain

    • @TheAriebudhiw
      @TheAriebudhiw 3 роки тому +5

      Remember hyperloop? Musk invention isn't all sunshine, researchers have been doing this since decades ago and not even close to understand 1% of reading and converting brain signal. Even ussr with it's immoral practice can't even understand how it work.

    • @user-en7dx1qp3k
      @user-en7dx1qp3k 3 роки тому

      @@TheAriebudhiw Idk man, isn't the hyperloop still a work in progress, that is, something still being worked on?

  • @shaaddoowwss
    @shaaddoowwss 3 роки тому +121

    Small size, wireless data transfer, highly accurate, biocompatible ...
    It's not comparable to 70s tech

    • @p0tmuffin69
      @p0tmuffin69 3 роки тому +4

      How do you write to neurons in a meaningful way though?

    • @megrocks3026
      @megrocks3026 3 роки тому

      @@p0tmuffin69 thats not the problem. The problem is we have SO MANY neurons.. 100 billion. Each thought/memory is stored in the form of connections between neurons. Unless we can have a wire across each neuron, I dont think we can get anything meaningful.

    • @p0tmuffin69
      @p0tmuffin69 3 роки тому

      @@megrocks3026 idk, I bet there would be a way to train our mind to interface with some sort device since our brains are neuroplastic and literally mold themselves to the tools we use everyday. It's just that there's no tool we have yet that can actually input data into people, we can only output right now or learn from our sense.

  • @rotinoma
    @rotinoma 3 роки тому +153

    weak sauce video with no quotes from actual neural scientists.

    • @bvishal2kn
      @bvishal2kn 3 роки тому +17

      Bro things like the neural link are in the far future!
      don't get me wrong I'm glad Musk is working on it but he is waaay overpromising with the timeline.

    • @tamie341
      @tamie341 3 роки тому +10

      Lol the hype compared to their progress is underwhelming to say the least. Their are also other companies working on this for longer, just not as publicly known. We are decades away from the bs Musk is spewing

    • @tugten
      @tugten 3 роки тому +2

      @Beau Xu Would be happy if he actually did. But overpromising isn't the way you go about it.

    • @catbunny8713
      @catbunny8713 3 роки тому +3

      tamie341 “we are decades away from the bs Musk is spewing” ... i don’t think elon has said anything about an imminent release? also surely TRYING to advance technology is the better option compared to giving up bc its “decades” away, no?

  • @adamfrisk956
    @adamfrisk956 3 роки тому +67

    Why is there "How should we feel?" question at the end? You have to think about this, not feel, and think for yourself, not succumb to groupthink.

    • @MrDnB89
      @MrDnB89 3 роки тому +5

      wow, you are so intelligent...

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 3 роки тому +3

      Thought it was tactful, it allowed for some perspective outside jumbled up mess that is expertise.

    • @HouseFullaFrogs
      @HouseFullaFrogs 3 роки тому +5

      bro, you are so right. Emotions are completely divorced from thinking and do not at all reflect our stance on something even logically

    • @BenVelebir
      @BenVelebir 3 роки тому +7

      Funny but I'll have to disagree with you. Humans have feelings for a reason. Our intuition and first impressions though not necessarily sufficient/thorough on their own, are genuine epistemic sources from which we can begin to work with. When something "feels" off it's often because our subconscious mind is picking up on things our concious minds are not. Beginning with those intuitions, working with them and reasoning with them is super helpful.
      And dialoguing with others is important. It's just as important to discuss your thoughts and feelings, have them challenged, disagreed with, critiqued etc as it is to not succumb to group think. It's great to not just have the same opinion as everyone else but it's also great to get out of your own head to make sure you're not biased or have any blind spots.
      Just my thoughts and feelings ;)

    • @adamfrisk956
      @adamfrisk956 3 роки тому

      @@BenVelebir Now the danger here is, that In doing so and by allowing your feelings to take precedent over your logical dispassionate analysis, you risk being infatuated with yourself defending the idea as you get addicted to the dopamine 'feels good' kick people get after they have done something they consider to be good. This is likely to lead you to, over time, losing your ability to objectively understand the idea and it's wider implications in the context in which it's supposed to operate in practice.

  • @JLS_999
    @JLS_999 3 роки тому +82

    Wow...
    Seems like in today's date everyone thinks they know what someone else is doing without any intensive research into the topic.

  • @edeshkumar9686
    @edeshkumar9686 3 роки тому +27

    Seeing neuralink
    My brain: Cyberpunk 2077

  • @xlben10
    @xlben10 3 роки тому +6

    Neuralink will compliment neuroscience and would not just sit there and wait for it to progress, that is how we progress science

  • @Anonymousg64
    @Anonymousg64 3 роки тому +31

    neuralink will allow us to understand the brain much faster, this is what you are missing.

    • @lavaslice
      @lavaslice 3 роки тому +11

      Exactly,
      This is the main goal of neuralink right now, to get fda approval and start gathering data from lots of subjects
      This will accelerate the understanding of the brain hugely

    • @tamie341
      @tamie341 3 роки тому

      Lol the hype compared to their progress is underwhelming to say the least. Their are also other companies working on this for longer, just not as publicly known. We are decades away from the bs Musk is spewing.

    • @Anonymousg64
      @Anonymousg64 3 роки тому +1

      @@tamie341 you are spewing bs, you don't really know what it means to have the technology to process so many signals directly in the brain and at the bandwidth they do.
      Just wait for what they will have to present in the next 2 years.

  • @kengallego8798
    @kengallego8798 3 роки тому +62

    "The brain is not a car and its not a rocket"... As if revolutionising those industries was a piece of cake. They too required advances in both technology and knowledge.

    • @AkilAhamed
      @AkilAhamed 3 роки тому +9

      exactly... she's talking like the person next door can do rockets...!! Rockets also goes by the pace of science b**ch... Bunch of pessimists these guys are...!!!

    • @almafuertegmailcom
      @almafuertegmailcom 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/THNPmhBl-8I/v-deo.html

    • @tamie341
      @tamie341 3 роки тому

      Lol the hype compared to their progress is underwhelming to say the least. Their are also other companies working on this for longer, just not as publicly known. We are decades away from the bs Musk is spewing.

    • @tamie341
      @tamie341 3 роки тому

      @@elixerrrr nah fam u nistaken.

    • @Gryffon3
      @Gryffon3 3 роки тому

      haha they were being so pedantic about it. They are precious.

  • @rohscx
    @rohscx 3 роки тому +5

    You know, I remember people having the same types of doubts when Musk started other projects.
    - It’s nothing new, look here, it’s been done before.
    - You don’t know more than these experts, so it can’t be done.
    ... and it goes on and on.
    Let him try, and if the project fails, we will learn something, and if the project succeeds, we will learn something. But if it should work, what unimaginable possibilities would such a tool create?

  • @Joshualacruz
    @Joshualacruz 3 роки тому +35

    If this device can cure my depression and make me more productive, hell yeah dude.
    Do I want this tech to be very well developed before I'll let it anywhere near me? Yeah.

    • @CaptivaLP
      @CaptivaLP 3 роки тому +3

      This device won’t fix those problems. You can’t fix that with electrodes forever. There are already deep brain stimulation electrodes used for depression. But the therapeutical effect often only lasts a few years...

    • @Joshualacruz
      @Joshualacruz 3 роки тому

      @@CaptivaLP You've got some sources on that? That sounds fascinating.

    • @CaptivaLP
      @CaptivaLP 3 роки тому +2

      Joshualacruz here are sources to the effect of deep brain stimulation in therapy resistant depression:
      www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006322313001364
      www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S089662730500156X
      scholar.google.de/scholar?q=long+term+side+effects+of+deep+brain+stimulation+depression&hl=de&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3Dz8BZ0EOXEeQJ
      First depression treatments with deep brain stimulation already started over 25 years ago on humans. The effect is immediate. In contrast to the last source new research shows, that the effects of deep brain stimulation are not that long lasting due to neural desensitization and adaption. I could send you more insight with some preprints if you have a validated research gate account. Also there are some nice Videos here on UA-cam showing deep brain stimulation implant surgery with follow ups. It’s currently used in Parkinson’s disease, depression and Tourette syndrome. Also there are many more indications currently being researched. This isn’t really something new. It’s already a routine procedure in some specialized hospitals since many years.

    • @Joshualacruz
      @Joshualacruz 3 роки тому

      @Queen Bellamy Not sure if you're high as a kite or dyslexic.

    • @areyoujelton
      @areyoujelton 3 роки тому

      The only cure for depression is... well, you know.

  • @bri1085
    @bri1085 3 роки тому +45

    The swiitching between hosts felt awkward for the main segment of the show, the dialogue bit is actually nice, but it is a little awkward itself, although in a different way to how, the main segment was awkward

    • @theedanwatson
      @theedanwatson 3 роки тому +4

      I came to the comments to see if anyone else thought this video felt Arkward. 😂

  • @snowboomer5004
    @snowboomer5004 3 роки тому +37

    Wow, those two at the end have no idea what they're talking about.

    • @beenis08
      @beenis08 3 роки тому +17

      "Oh no they're criticizing elon musk, why would they ever do that he's so cool."
      Actually what they said is completely accurate, you know how many times humanity has come across something that would "change the world" only for it to be less than a novelty. "Carbon nanotubes will change structural engineering forever" or "wireless charging will make cars be able to drive forever." sorry that im crushing your dreams of being kirito from sao world but thats just how it works.

    • @tamie341
      @tamie341 3 роки тому +3

      Lol the hype compared to their progress is underwhelming to say the least. There are also other companies working on this for longer, just not as publicly known. We are decades away from the bs Musk is spewing

    • @borgadaloglu6684
      @borgadaloglu6684 3 роки тому

      @@beenis08 Dude you know the examples you gave are still being researched and worked on. They (including neuralink) still may actually be the innovations that change things forever. It's pure hard-work and dedication. Be patient. For example, we still don't know how to produce carbon nanotubes in massive quantities and efficiently. It may not be this year but it will probably be maybe 50 years from now. Who knows?

    • @Gryffon3
      @Gryffon3 3 роки тому +2

      @@beenis08 I now right, like planes (who would use those we have air baloons), electricity (and alternative current), steam engines (novelty in China), the internet (it's for scientists and nerds who cares), the tv (we have the radio and this tech is not good at all), the radio (we have newspaper and radio signals are hard to interpret, maybe dangerous even), computers (I guess we can sell ten worldwide per IBM), smartphones, electric cars (such a stupid fad in the 1990s) machine learning (was used in the 80s but considered a dead end really fast). All those and many more were considered novelty by the vast majority of people, including the scientific community, at some point. And a few decades later they were everywhere (except for the steam engines which had to be reinvented). In other words, you are not crushing any dreams you are being pedantic about something you have 0 way of knowing. Get a solid grip.

  • @chachibesoain
    @chachibesoain 3 роки тому +77

    I dont know if I want the verge to tell me what’s science and what is not.

    • @SarcasticData
      @SarcasticData 3 роки тому +5

      I mean... they aren't the only source reporting on it.

    • @carlogaytan7010
      @carlogaytan7010 3 роки тому

      TRUEEEE. Hey bud go check out all the other news sources reporting on this. NEVER TAKE NEES FROM JUST ONE SOURCE.

    • @Ohmygoodnessfrancisc
      @Ohmygoodnessfrancisc 3 роки тому

      Francisco. It's Francisco speaking.

  • @GiovanniMotterle
    @GiovanniMotterle 3 роки тому +17

    It's good to see a viewpoint that takes into consideration what Neuralink actually can do and what can't. I'm tired of reading comments of people that didn't understand half of what Elon Musk showed in that presentation and are screaming about improbable dystopian futures.

    • @NeonLuminous
      @NeonLuminous 3 роки тому +1

      I'm pretty sure (i hope) most of those are just jokes. Also, please tell me you don't actually consider this video as any more informative than knowing that H2O is water.

    • @GiovanniMotterle
      @GiovanniMotterle 3 роки тому +1

      @@NeonLuminous I don't think that most are jokes actually.. and no, this video doesn't say anything new with respect to Neuralink presentation but it rephrases the concepts in a more clear manner that doesn't let people imagination run wild

  • @rileyragnet5250
    @rileyragnet5250 3 роки тому +6

    I get theranos vibes from neuralink tbh, especially with how many scientists that have come out and said that this isn’t possible in the timeframe that musk is suggesting. He doesn’t have a product yet but people have invested so much money. Elon is really starting to remind me of Elizabeth Holmes....

    • @noobnoob5072
      @noobnoob5072 3 роки тому +3

      He is

    • @megrocks3026
      @megrocks3026 3 роки тому +1

      Who invested money? The company is private. I dont think money is their goal because elon is already rich. The only good outcome I see out of this is us gaining tons of knowledge of our brains due to wide spread experiments. I think the reason elon hyped it up so much is to record brains from all over the world while still getting back the money he invested. In a scientific setting, they would've had to not only spend money in research but they would've also had to pay people money to let them put stuff into their brains. By marketing it as a super cool thing, they're not only getting people to excitedly agree to put stuff into their brains but they're also getting people to pay them for it. Now, do I think neuralink could be a reality in the far future? Absolutely. But we're not gonna get anywhere close before understanding and knowing everything about the brain first.

    • @noobnoob5072
      @noobnoob5072 3 роки тому

      @@megrocks3026 This is just a pr stunt Bethany Lee McLean commented on this. That every time the stock was going down. Elon would always present something. To try and pump up the stock. Also if you don’t now who Bethany Lee McLean she is. The journalist that exposed Enron.

    • @orlandofurioso7329
      @orlandofurioso7329 2 роки тому

      @@megrocks3026 Do you even know capital investment works?
      Did you know that Google and UA-cam, two of the biggest Internet monopolies, need investments from alphabet to stay afloat?

  • @owenklijnsma
    @owenklijnsma 3 роки тому +65

    This is such a lazy take. Just saying "I don't think this is going to work" is exactly what people did with both SpaceX and Tesla. We'll see in a few decades what happens

    • @Gardor
      @Gardor 3 роки тому +4

      for real... Its ridiculous how people still doubt elon musk

    • @oktagon4546
      @oktagon4546 3 роки тому +4

      preach bruh.
      some people wouldnt be able to see a genius if he was streaking on national television.

    • @williammontalvo5242
      @williammontalvo5242 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah they're just being super conservative. This kind of stuff gets easier and easier every year as new technologies appear and mature. Who knows what will be possible in ten years with ever increasing processing power, neuroscience development and AI support?

    • @kelvinilla
      @kelvinilla 3 роки тому +5

      This is what people were also saying about Hyperloop 7, 8 years ago. I think it's fair to judge ideas on their own merits, not past successes.

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU 3 роки тому +2

      Making cars and rockets isn't anything special, it just requires tons of money and great marketing. Making a device that can cure and influence the brain is very different tho, as explained in the video.

  • @baguettebunny9063
    @baguettebunny9063 3 роки тому +2

    Neuralink can fix Anxiety, Addiction, Insomnia and Depression
    Me: *IMPOSSIBLE!*

  • @QuestionEverythingButWHY
    @QuestionEverythingButWHY 3 роки тому +65

    “Without science, everything is a miracle.”
    -- Lawrence Krauss

    • @kotin5725
      @kotin5725 3 роки тому +1

      A friend of mine though that it's all so simple and stupid, especially for the wireless charging.
      I said that he thinks this way because he knows how all the components work, if he didn't it would be like magic to regular people.

    • @Obscurum
      @Obscurum 3 роки тому

      He got destroyed by John Lennox in that one debate though.

  • @MayankKumar-so6sr
    @MayankKumar-so6sr 3 роки тому +2

    Technological advancements in the field of neuroscience. Good.
    But to be frank, I am not comfortable sharing data directly from my brain with any corporation. Companies work with making profit, not the betterment of people, as their primary goal. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that we need to remember it while making decisions.

  • @BeepDerpify
    @BeepDerpify 3 роки тому +8

    Elon is a hype merchant

  • @marinheiromc
    @marinheiromc 3 роки тому +5

    spec·​u·​late | \ ˈspe-kyə-ˌlāt
    speculated; speculating
    "to take to be true on the basis of insufficient evidence"

  • @Rocksteady72a
    @Rocksteady72a 3 роки тому +18

    "novelty like VR"
    And just like that, he lost all credibility 🙄

  • @QuestionEverythingButWHY
    @QuestionEverythingButWHY 3 роки тому +50

    “If something is important enough, even if the odds are stacked against you, you should still do it.”
    - Elon Musk

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 3 роки тому +3

      Does Musk not care about the plight of his compatriots back home in South Africa?

    • @acbdd4571
      @acbdd4571 3 роки тому +3

      "Funding secured."
      - Elon Musk

    • @aslemke7341
      @aslemke7341 3 роки тому +1

      Question everything but Elon Musk

  • @julian3bk
    @julian3bk 3 роки тому +12

    Thank you for your healthy skepticism

  • @tonykastaneda1
    @tonykastaneda1 3 роки тому +2

    Remember when Elon said he'd have a fully electric and self driving car back in 2005? Remember when Elon said he'd be able to write to the brain in 2020

    • @williammontalvo5242
      @williammontalvo5242 3 роки тому

      He's made some progress on his goals, something is better than nothing and 15 years is a blip on the historical time scale.

  • @alejulul2379
    @alejulul2379 3 роки тому +3

    hype drives up the stock price maybe. Elon's been known to mess around with that so...

  • @bru6104
    @bru6104 3 роки тому +1

    Imagine ads popping out every single minute on your brain

  • @MajorWTech
    @MajorWTech 3 роки тому +1

    I think those scientific breakthrough (like moving the mouse with the brain, etc) still require the person to be tethered right? Or no?

  • @Edittname
    @Edittname 3 роки тому +27

    You know, Tesla and SpaceX were started when everyone doubted Musk.
    Just saying.

    • @altertopias
      @altertopias 3 роки тому +3

      You know, Tesla and SpaceX were both engineering problems which had already been done before and he just improved them and not something nobody in the world is even close to figuring out just yet. Just saying.

    • @nabilsilva
      @nabilsilva 3 роки тому +1

      When Tesla started Musk wasn't around, because he didn't found Tesla.

    • @Edittname
      @Edittname 3 роки тому +2

      Julia Sepúlveda That's not the point. You can say whatever you want about the engineering problem that had already done before, but the fact is he's the only one who's willing to do it, take the risk and did it well. Just saying.

    • @altertopias
      @altertopias 3 роки тому +1

      @@Edittname Survivor bias.

    • @Edittname
      @Edittname 3 роки тому

      Julia Sepúlveda Maybe, but that's just the fact.

  • @McBenjiBoo
    @McBenjiBoo 3 роки тому +56

    "it feels kind of like a novelty like VR"
    People in the future will look back at that statement and laugh. They way we laugh at the people who thought "Television will never take off, we have the radio and people are happy with that"
    neuralink will be a life changer for many people.
    Re: black mirror, yes I can see this being researched and used by militaries and secret services around the world.

    • @neohyalite1043
      @neohyalite1043 3 роки тому +5

      I agree, people said the same about landing on the moon in 1969.
      (P.S. you reminded me of a video from the channel NowYouKnow)
      ua-cam.com/video/d7m6ivDvWNI/v-deo.html

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 3 роки тому +4

      There still isn't any certainty that the things Musk is proposing are possible.

    • @MrNikoSrb
      @MrNikoSrb 3 роки тому +1

      Exactly, i just facepalm when people don't get that VR is the future and that it might seem like a toy now but it won't stay like that.

    • @fattahrambe
      @fattahrambe 3 роки тому +1

      Novelty for now

    • @DmedZWN
      @DmedZWN 3 роки тому

      Imagine Neuralink and VR ... My gaaaawd!

  • @dorianmckoy6898
    @dorianmckoy6898 3 роки тому +3

    the first thought that came to my mind is that this is giving people the ability to hack your brain

  • @roeesi-personal
    @roeesi-personal 3 роки тому +2

    As musk said, it starts do sound like a Black Mirror episode. Let's hope he really understands that so it won't end like one.

  • @Stenveel
    @Stenveel 3 роки тому +1

    You understood information wrong. Elon said that it’s a long term goals, that should be reach in 100-200 years and for those goals he plan to stimulate other parts of a brain too. This first version can only read your motor functions and transmit touch sensations.

  • @SentinelTheOne
    @SentinelTheOne 3 роки тому +1

    I need to disagree with some things said in thhis video: Deep Brain Stimulation ALREADY is able to stimulate the brain for curing (/or curing symptoms) certain diseases like severe Depression or Alzheimers. Its just, that there is a highly invasive surgery involved in that.

  • @neilfordan
    @neilfordan 3 роки тому +37

    Some videos they interviewed experts on the field. But here they did not present any expert on the matter. 🤔🤔🤔

    • @Adrischa
      @Adrischa 3 роки тому +3

      So what?

    • @burstofsanity
      @burstofsanity 3 роки тому +2

      Must be the technology cabal that they are trying to hide I guess, right? 🤔🤔🤔 Conspiracies everywhere lol.

    • @bernardeugenio
      @bernardeugenio 3 роки тому +1

      ars technica had a more technical take and talked to experts and it is pretty much what they said in the video. some advancements in implant part of it, some is nothing new or already surpassed but the vast majority depends a lot of scientists doing research around the world and it will take a long time.

  • @7024395683
    @7024395683 3 роки тому

    Where do I sign up for this

  • @Omnigreen
    @Omnigreen 3 роки тому +1

    Color correction of your footage is eye candy!

  • @sunilprajapati6377
    @sunilprajapati6377 3 роки тому +17

    I love Musk ideas as any other guy but Neuralink is decades away, science hasn’t caught up with his ambitions yet. But we will get there one day.

    • @nksmarb5737
      @nksmarb5737 3 роки тому +1

      True, but on the other hand Elon wouldn‘t be where he is now if he only accepted the status quo... if we don‘t push & challenge us to go further, we are not gonna get anywhere :D

    • @zacharyeversole
      @zacharyeversole 3 роки тому

      You are ignorant

    • @oberoiswisdom9589
      @oberoiswisdom9589 3 роки тому

      What you're saying would be true for someone else. But this is Elon musk. He doesn't do things if he can't achieve them!

    • @burstofsanity
      @burstofsanity 3 роки тому

      @@oberoiswisdom9589 Same is everyone else...

    • @deldrise9169
      @deldrise9169 3 роки тому

      @@oberoiswisdom9589 Elon musk is only human. Most people can achieve what he has done.

  • @zackblast_9416
    @zackblast_9416 3 роки тому +2

    wait if you think about this when your doing a test just look up your memory for the answer

  • @hunched_monk3279
    @hunched_monk3279 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks was very helpful to understand the neurallink presentation

  • @gutobernardo7457
    @gutobernardo7457 3 роки тому +2

    6:52 that's a great name for a rock band: Band of Bionic Pigs

  • @jesseinfinite
    @jesseinfinite 3 роки тому +1

    The future is getting advertisments straight to your brain.
    Thankyou Elon Musk. Very cool.

  • @Cyclops0000
    @Cyclops0000 3 роки тому +1

    Could be very useful for the average office worker; implant makes you type automatically because you know what needs to be done and the info is in your head but you can actually think about something else.

    • @maxanderson9187
      @maxanderson9187 3 роки тому +1

      You're looking at the forest and not seeing the trees. The days of the average office worker are gone. Look up GPT-3 AI. While you're at it, clear out your desk.

  • @lemongrasscap8693
    @lemongrasscap8693 3 роки тому +5

    look im not saying you don't know what your doing but id rather trust the guy who put people into space and has created some of the worlds leading tech.

  • @manchester777
    @manchester777 3 роки тому +2

    Elon Musk is crazy rich. He is also crazy, rich.
    The brain will remain an unknown entity for a very long time...

  • @jorgearellano9204
    @jorgearellano9204 3 роки тому +6

    Does The Verge have scientists in their staff?

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume 3 роки тому +2

      the verge: "brains r different from rockets and cars"

    • @jorgearellano9204
      @jorgearellano9204 3 роки тому

      @@pumpuppthevolume Right? I feel these guys can seem rather arrogant sometimes.

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume 3 роки тому

      @@jorgearellano9204 I understand why they r covering it this way.... but what they don't get is.... neuralink is a great step in the right direction.... even if Elon likes to shock people with overpromising
      www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2011/10/13/reading-minds-with-fmri/

    • @jorgearellano9204
      @jorgearellano9204 3 роки тому

      pumpuppthevolume But this is what I mean, many tech reportes are so arrogant and they think they have all the answers. And they are not even engineers nor scientists. So how would they really know?

  • @oneandonlyjark
    @oneandonlyjark 3 роки тому +5

    The problem with Anxiety is that, even years after the diagnosis separation of PTSD symptoms/etc., it is still very NON-SPECIFIC. (The general populace still conflates fear/fright with anxiety and vice versa, as an example of how non-specific a concept it is).

  • @theknave4415
    @theknave4415 3 роки тому +6

    Never under-estimate a guy who has started more than a dozen successful tech companies, employing 100's of thousands of people who provide goods and services to millions of consumers. (I've noticed that most people [left side of The Bell Curve] don't understand a thing Musk says [right side of The Bell Curve], but they keep saying that Musk is wrong.)

  • @steffanjensen9
    @steffanjensen9 3 роки тому +2

    To future me there download the entire internet, go offline.

  • @snowballeffect7812
    @snowballeffect7812 3 роки тому

    Actually Gabe Newell of Valve is also extremely excited about brain-user interfaces. Hopefully a less invasive option is what Valve is looking into.

  • @ataiwanese
    @ataiwanese 3 роки тому +1

    30years ago, smartphone would have been too far fetched....nothing is imposible

  • @jasonnavidad9335
    @jasonnavidad9335 3 роки тому

    i think something big you guys missed is reading the brain for movement for prosthetic limbs. most of the applications would benefit people who dont have the full set of abilities that we all do. i think that musk will most likely create something great

  • @alexabbott16
    @alexabbott16 3 роки тому +4

    I smell Sword Art Online in the near by future 🔥

  • @andregomez5986
    @andregomez5986 3 роки тому +1

    Funny how they mentioned machine learning but nothing about Open Ai just saying... Gpt-3 is crushing and it doesn’t look like it’s even close to the end of that

  • @brandonalexander1259
    @brandonalexander1259 3 роки тому +8

    Verge standard is very low

  • @DerperDoing
    @DerperDoing 3 роки тому +1

    By the time Cyberpunk 2077 will release, we'll be already living the Cyberpunk life XD

  • @aldente9470
    @aldente9470 3 роки тому +1

    The most mysterious thing in the universe, the human brain.
    Black hole: Am I a joke to you?

    • @SarcasticData
      @SarcasticData 3 роки тому +1

      She said " *Arguably* the most mysterious thing in the universe...." 0:58
      Selective hearing at it's finest.

    • @aldente9470
      @aldente9470 3 роки тому

      @@SarcasticData I'm arguably the smartest thing in the universe, so don't argue with me

  • @scottkidder9046
    @scottkidder9046 3 роки тому +1

    This is very true. Musk can’t just solve the brain by himself. It’s going to take a long time. The first step is probably something along the lines of a “connectome” of the brain. A physical map of how every neuron is connected to every other neuron. Then another thing that would help is being able to read every signal released by every neuron and be able to track impulses from neuron to neuron in real time. And then it would be helpful to be able to simulate a brain. But all of these things are huge projects that will take decades to complete in the best of cases. Elon still has a lot to work with though. If he can improve the interface, and I think he can, he may revolutionize the entire industry and start helping paralyzed people walk and generally interact with the the world. The applications so far are pretty vast. So if he can start there, it’s enough to be excited about. The sci-fi stuff will come much much later. It’s probably at least a century away, but most likely longer than that.

  • @MrSpeedyduck
    @MrSpeedyduck 3 роки тому

    This is my take on this in the progress of this neuralink...lets say two person have this on them, instead of ordinarily talking to each other by moving your mouth, what if we can communicate just by thinking to the other person like telepathy and the other person can completely understand what you're saying and vice versa.

  • @anypercentdeathless
    @anypercentdeathless 3 роки тому +1

    Could Verge not find any scientists to talk to?

  • @varunskumar9426
    @varunskumar9426 3 роки тому +1

    10 years back when this man said that he will launch rockets and land them back, it sounded just as impossible. So was the case when he said he will make a electric soortscar 20 years back.
    If there is one thing I e learnt about him is not to laugh at his ideas.

    • @TheRhinodon
      @TheRhinodon 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/RNFesa01llk/v-deo.html

  • @sofitocyn100
    @sofitocyn100 3 роки тому

    How to purchase Neuralink shares?

  • @bobbygxo1289
    @bobbygxo1289 3 роки тому

    This article and discussion between the moderators is 5 years ahead, Musks vision is 10-100 years ahead. he's looking at a way bigger picture and I'm glad someone is pushing us in a real direction with the technology we have at hand, and the technology we would like to benefit us as a human race.

  • @itsnotyasir
    @itsnotyasir 3 роки тому

    The brain maybe the universe's biggest mystery but I think this company and more and more of research will get us really close to what Elon Musk envisions.

  • @DejanMarkovic93
    @DejanMarkovic93 3 роки тому

    Time when computer virus get access to human brain. I imagine Homer Simpson opening B-mail...

  • @mathewbarta4804
    @mathewbarta4804 3 роки тому

    VR a "novelty"? you may see it as that in 2020, but I think you'll find practical use cases in everyday life arise out of VR and AR. I think the same can be said for Nuralink. Elon is about starting things "while we have a chance" no matter what happens because of Nuralink we will learn more about the brain. I cant help but be excited about Elon bringing hype to brain research, I hope its equally if not more profound than Tesla and SpaceX combined.

  • @frozenfire72
    @frozenfire72 3 роки тому +2

    Well that's the difference between pessimists like the Verge and optimistic dreamers like Elon and the engineers, scientists, doctors working with him. They dare to set milestones that sound impossible and are not afraid to fail.
    A simple media house like the Verge or a stupid peasant like me can't even start to understand how these genius people think. We can only hope that they are able to achieve their goals, even if it takes a decade or so.
    If anything, Tesla and SpaceX has taught me not to doubt people like Elon and his team.

  • @itsgrey8135
    @itsgrey8135 3 роки тому +1

    Wait are CyberNewtypes gonna be a thing?! Can't wait to Pilot my own Mass Production Qubeley

  • @Nithyanandan.S
    @Nithyanandan.S 3 роки тому

    Electric cars were already existed but the man who shown a different dimension on Electric car space is Musk. Now all companies are started to release the electric cars though. Lets see how the neural link works.. His thinking is visionary... Let's hope for best.

  • @memomorph5375
    @memomorph5375 3 роки тому +6

    Love those dopamine hits about Tesla from my Neuralink brand anti-anxiety chip. Those convulsions when I think about unionizing, however, are starting to get in the way!

  • @Sivah_Akash
    @Sivah_Akash 3 роки тому

    You could have also added that this will eventually be figured out so we should indeed be thinking about it now. Just like we figured out killing microbes which took a long time or figuring out quantum computing.
    7:32, we can't even be sure we have asked all the questions and we may not even notice that in the future after the integration, since they may not direct effects.

  • @praneshkandasamy3175
    @praneshkandasamy3175 3 роки тому +7

    This is how people spoke when he said I am gonna land back the frist stage of rocket from the edge of space to a small pod floating on a sea.

    • @lox_07
      @lox_07 3 роки тому

      @@kylezhang77 Isn't that what he should do to keep the project going

  • @sandror6984
    @sandror6984 2 роки тому +1

    Would not rule out Elon Musk he seems pretty determined and if he brings attention and funding to this area which is sorely needed then I think it is great. We barely know the power and science of the human brain. Maybe even finding more about the brain could help with cancer cells which sciencetist and doctors still can't crack.

    • @square5726
      @square5726 2 роки тому +1

      It’s just a another vaporware by big daddy Elon. Look at tunnel in Vegas. It’s never going to work.

  • @unstrungstudios818
    @unstrungstudios818 3 роки тому

    Nuerolink is just a fancy transistor and Drs have been putting those transistors in peoples brains ( not consensual) for decades.

  • @anypercentdeathless
    @anypercentdeathless 3 роки тому

    "To pull off the sci-fi stuff, the technology has to connect with the most mysterious thing in the universe..."
    Cell phones, airplanes, bicycles-you can say that about all current technology.

  • @FLAC2023
    @FLAC2023 3 роки тому +2

    We will never understand how the brain truly stores and process information...

    • @mehul205
      @mehul205 3 роки тому

      We may eventually but it would take a lot of years maybe decades

    • @FLAC2023
      @FLAC2023 3 роки тому

      @@mehul205 no you won't. You can't communicate with molecules...

    • @square5726
      @square5726 2 роки тому

      @@mehul205 Claude Elwood Shannon estimate it would be almost impossible if I remember correctly.

  • @user-en7dx1qp3k
    @user-en7dx1qp3k 3 роки тому +4

    Idk man, this is a pretty lazy and poorly researched video. It would've been great to hear from scientists in the field and what they thought about Neuralink, it would've been great to hear nuanced takes instead of just the usual "everything he's doing has been done before, but also all of the things that he's planning on doing are impossible because they've never been done before" stance.

  • @saanvalbajaj6052
    @saanvalbajaj6052 3 роки тому +1

    Elon should address this brain writing part as well...

    • @maxanderson9187
      @maxanderson9187 3 роки тому +1

      Elon doesn't play a card until the time is right. He can't talk about what he's not sure of yet. That's the benefit of being an engineer. When they know (and can replicate) how the brain writing stuff works, we'll surely hear about it. This is Elon Musk, not Anthony Robbins.

  • @ToxicGamer3000
    @ToxicGamer3000 3 роки тому +2

    Y'all really doubtin my boy elon??

  • @macemoneta
    @macemoneta 3 роки тому +18

    This sounds very much like what was said when SpaceX claimed they would develop reusable rockets that would land on their tail: it's science fiction.
    The issue with much of today's brain research is the lack of hard data. But that was the same with self-driving vehicles. Once Tesla started collecting millions of miles of driving data and correlated that with the camera streams to train AIs, self-driving development accelerated exponentially. In case you missed it, SpaceX first crew launch, docking, and return was performed completely autonomously too.
    I believe the same progression will be followed by Neuralink; collect and correlate vast amounts of data, train AIs, achieve the stated goals.

    • @joetec6674
      @joetec6674 3 роки тому +4

      I don't know what world you're living in but Tesla's "self-driving AI" is well known as being near the bottom of the list when comparing to other technology developed by Google and other companies.

    • @macemoneta
      @macemoneta 3 роки тому +6

      @@joetec6674 Reality disagrees with you.

    • @marcosfelipe99mfc
      @marcosfelipe99mfc 3 роки тому +1

      Musk is known for overexaggerating both goals and timeline. If he says "we will do this by this year" you divide de goal by 5 and multiply the time by 10.
      According to his promises, we would be colonizing mars by early 2020's. Still, they are still struggling with making the rocket, which should be the easiest part of the project for them.
      So I don't think Seeker's skepticism around Neuralink is misplaced. His recent track record has not been very good.

    • @ataraxia7439
      @ataraxia7439 3 роки тому +2

      Or it could be like the hyperloop which never took of and is still slower than trains.

    • @maxanderson9187
      @maxanderson9187 3 роки тому

      Precisely

  • @THEGRENAAAAADE
    @THEGRENAAAAADE 3 роки тому

    If you can move prosthesis with your brain today, why is it far fetched to think you could control your devices with neuralink or a similar device. Downloading data into the brain is far fetched at this time, but it would be interesting if you could send inputs to your devices as fast as you could think. Would be a game changer for productivity imo and transform the way we use technology.

  • @markedis5902
    @markedis5902 3 роки тому +1

    He needs to change the company name to Cyberdyne Industries and offer full upgrades

  • @rajusapkota5623
    @rajusapkota5623 3 роки тому

    I don't know what point you are trying to make?

  • @VellankiGanesh
    @VellankiGanesh 3 роки тому

    I think we have to appreciate musk for investing money & time into this.

  • @servo1991
    @servo1991 3 роки тому

    People need to understand that in the fields science, medical, engineering etc....the people in those fields are always trying to tear each other down saying “no, I’m smarter..shut up” this video is a perfect example of it...I’m going to wait and see where Elon ends up with this.

  • @glebdude
    @glebdude 3 роки тому +1

    I would like to see what video you will make after Neuralink will succeed

  • @emiledorsey196
    @emiledorsey196 3 роки тому +8

    Every breakthrough takes small steps with a big imagination... Js

  • @mr_skull8489
    @mr_skull8489 3 роки тому

    Amazing video like always.