Edison DD Record on Victor 10-50 Orthophonic Victrola

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  • @earlnut
    @earlnut 13 років тому +6

    You know, what so much of this shows is how well designed the diamond disk machine really was right from it's very beginning. If you have a good diaphragm in a diamond disk machine they really do a a good job of reproducing the music. Edison did experiment with aluminum diaphragms and even did some experimenting with larger horns and all of that, but it really didn't improve things all that much. It does sound a lot better than I would have expected with one of those Brunswick reproducers!

  • @jeeprod1
    @jeeprod1 2 роки тому +1

    I was fascinated by your experiment. I have always felt that one of the shortcomings of Edison's later machines was that there was no easy way get a bigger horn on anything. With some spare time and some homemade crane parts, I put a big 12 panel cygnet horn on an Amberola 30, and it sounded great. I did the same thing with a big horn on a Gem!. You can play a Diamond Disc on a modern turntable and amplifier only to realize that the sound put into the record was always greater than the machine's ability to reproduce.

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +4

    Hello to Reading!
    glad you found my videos, I have been enjoying yours. I shall put a video of a straight soundbox playing Edisons soon.
    Stay posted.
    Cheers from San Francisco.

  • @gmmix
    @gmmix 14 років тому +3

    Very enlightening! Your commentary is splendid. Thanks for taking the time to educate us. A 5-star presentation.

  • @BURKECOUNTYSKYHAWK
    @BURKECOUNTYSKYHAWK 12 років тому +1

    That is an amazing piece of equipment All I done was turn my needle on my british made 78 turn table sideways a little and i could hear the tune so I new there was music on the disk,It was not clear at all so I took the entire arm off and tryied that no better so i taped the arm on and put it sideways and i could hear the tune a little louder,was not clear,but it worked a little.So i put my stereo back together and looked on enternet 4 the two records i have and found u all Thanks 4 bein there.

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +5

    Oh Moo, there is a special place in Edison Hell for people playing DDs with the Ultona, I know.
    As you probably know from playing DDs on a modern turntable, the bass can be all over the place, but usually they seem to emphasize the mid-range and treble with rather subdued bass, even when compared to acoustic Victrola records.
    Cheers,

  • @gmmix
    @gmmix 15 років тому +1

    Kudos for taking the time and trouble to produce the result heard here. FASCINATING! While I have a Brunswick with the Ultona, I've only ever played a Diamond Disc once with it. As you note, there is some degree of damage with each and every playing. Your commentary is very informative. Thanks again for your obvious efforts. FIVE STARS!

  • @gmmix
    @gmmix 5 років тому

    I can appreciate the time you devote to produce your comprehensive commentaries. Very enlightening! Thank you!

  • @luismantaras6460
    @luismantaras6460 6 років тому +1

    Remarkable machine, the surface noise doesn't bother and indeed the bass sound is increased. congratulations and thanks for shearing! Ida is a beautiful song!

  • @MisterTalkingMachine
    @MisterTalkingMachine 12 років тому +5

    I love the second record!!

  • @doctorgoldbud1321
    @doctorgoldbud1321 Рік тому +1

    I have a Columbia that has a similar set up on the part where you put the needles I have one that has three different tips one's a diamond till turn it sideways rotates has two different needles it has a wonderful sound to it

  • @luismantaras6460
    @luismantaras6460 7 років тому +3

    Very interesting demo and music as well! Thank you very much and congratulations for your device.

  • @MichaelJHuman
    @MichaelJHuman 14 років тому +1

    Wow that looks like it was an expensive model. I had not seen one like that before with the very large horn. Very cool.

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  13 років тому +3

    @earlnut Not quite my impression - and I heard them in person.
    First - my point of reference was the Edisonic, not the Edison DD phonograph. There is quite a difference between the two, and Theodore Edison realized that a bigger horn gives better sound.
    Then, the new set up gives you a much better treble clarity - Edison diaphragms are rather muffled ("mellow in E's parlance). Edison DDs are low volume and have weak bass, so yes for what Edison discs are the Edison Phonograph is adequate.

  • @maxinDetroit
    @maxinDetroit 15 років тому +1

    interesting-years ago waltrip made me an adfaptor to play Pathe (vertical ) on ortho--damamged and gone but much like this idea... really neat video
    max

  • @ThePhonographStop
    @ThePhonographStop 5 років тому +1

    Sounds good!!! I would be interested in hearing an electrically recorded Edison disc on that setup!

  • @mukke67
    @mukke67 14 років тому +1

    a great video ..a great player

  • @ThePhonographStop
    @ThePhonographStop 6 років тому +2

    Nice demo! You should try an Edison electrically recorded disc and see how it sounds!

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  12 років тому +3

    I hear these arguments a lot, but believe me when I say that the Edisonic Beethoven (arguably the loudest Edison DD machine with the widest frequency range ) produced a strong and pleasing sound, but could not even get close to the orthophonic Credenza next to it when it came to impact, fidelity and loudness.
    For comparison, play any G&T record of De Lucia and Huguet or the Original Dixiend Jazz Band's Tiger rag on a Victor Credenza next to your best Edison machine, and you will see my point.

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +4

    Yes and no - Pathe was the first one to use sapphire style on records in 1905, but Edison used sapphire styli on cylinders back in the 1890s.
    Steel needles on shellac records was a perfectly fine solution. Edison's incompatible Diamond Disc machine of 1912 played records with very high pressure, so that he needed a diamond stylus, but also records made from hard bakelite to withstand the diamond.
    Diamonds are fiddly and can break or chip if you are not careful.

    • @SubTroppo
      @SubTroppo 2 роки тому

      Reminds me, I watched Michael Fremer setting up a hugely expensive record deck on UA-cam; talk about fiddly! I've set up a deck myself, but not to that degree. To get the best out of records it is always fiddly, and then there is the static & dust! In the UK we had the Dust Bug but I imagine there were many earlier similar "solutions".

  • @Moooperator
    @Moooperator 15 років тому +1

    Oh Sanfran, you'll go to phono hell over this one! Bless your heart for all the time you put in this excellent experiment. So, how many DD will fit on the Changer? LOL From a guess before you played a DDI would have thought the bass would have been more enhanced over treble...

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +4

    You would rip an LP record apart. These Victrolas are designed for very hard records made from shellac.
    Cheers

  • @tyroneepps3018
    @tyroneepps3018 3 роки тому +1

    I 👍 the double play 🎶

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  14 років тому +1

    @merrihew Yep, it's smoother and has more definition.
    Also, the recording is much more spatial. Small bass increase.
    For all extents and purposes, the Edisonic Beethoven does a job that's very close.
    Replaced the spider - needed it for another project, and replaced it with a stiffened cone.
    Same difference, possibly the cone is stiffer and gives you a little more treble.

  • @doctorgoldbud1321
    @doctorgoldbud1321 Рік тому

    This is absolutely mind-blowing is there a diamond tip does it have three different needles can you rotate the part that holds the needle in it

  • @butchfoot
    @butchfoot 15 років тому +1

    HI, listened to the second record this time, sounds great!!! Have never been an Edison fan but these sound great, may change my mind. I have Edison skinneys and they are ok but not as good as Columbia or Victor in my estimation though.

  • @dannyasher3259
    @dannyasher3259 6 років тому +1

    Would love to own one of these reproducers for my Victrola.

  • @madbear3512
    @madbear3512 6 років тому +2

    Holy shit that record player is huge. I would love to have one but I don't have the room. How much did it cost new back in 1927. What else can it play

  • @sophietucker4159
    @sophietucker4159 9 років тому

    Hello Sanfranphono-I'm attempting to do the same thing with my 1925 orthophontic credenza and the same Brunswick sound box, the only questions-exactly which and where did you purchase the orthoponic diaphragm, and does it have a spider, because from what I can see it doesn't look like it does.
    The other question is-lol-- how the hell did you ever connect it!!??
    I'm new at this and had one hell of a time getting the old sound box apart let alone putting this back together please help if you can-- thanks waiting with great anticipation and excitement!
    ps-I don't care if the second record is worn-Love it, reminds me of BIX

  • @merrihew
    @merrihew 14 років тому +1

    I have a clean copy of this record which I have just played on an Edison machine and then listened again to yours. Its an especially good sounding Edison anyway, but the orthophonic reproduction is smoother with less rumble. Same with the electric. Do you think removing the spider makes much difference? What are you using for a microphone?

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +2

    The big horn of the 10-50 helps, but Edison had excellent acoustic records up to 1927. I do not get from the electric DDs the full sound that you get from an orthophonic. Bass is not appreciably bigger, only the treble has a little more detail. See if you can find someone to play you a couple of electrics on an Edisonic Phonograph. Check out my Video of Edisonic, you note I play a late acoustic since it's more impressive than the electric.

  • @spannerworks1
    @spannerworks1 15 років тому +3

    If I am getting this right Edison was using stylus technology well before others who were still using needles made of steel?
    Regards
    Richard

    • @omegafilmcorporation
      @omegafilmcorporation 6 років тому +2

      Sorry for the late comment, but yes they do use stylus technology for the Edison Diamond Disc phonograph. Quite ahead of it's time when you ask me. Same with the cylinder phonograph, which also uses stylus technology. Like for example a sapphire and diamond stylus! It never wears out like the gramophone needles do. It lasts forever!! :)

  • @johnjames4213
    @johnjames4213 Рік тому

    I believe the Edison diamond disks were 81rpm so the tempo would be slightly slower on a 78prof machine than recorded. I suppose you could adjust the speed control to compensate.

  • @Bigband78
    @Bigband78 10 років тому +1

    Sounds GREAT to me.Loved the reproduction of the electric record.When I moved 7 years ago I dumped my 10-50.That machine must have weighed a 1/2 ton.

    • @janettewalker3991
      @janettewalker3991 10 років тому +1

      Fascinating. Love learning of these old machines and listening.

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +1

    Hello Check out my video of the Edisonic Beethoven - the miking is not as great, but that was Edisons phonograph for electric records.
    At the end, Edison issued two famous Electrola (electronically amplified) phonographs, the C-1 and C-2, which had a unique dual head pick-up for lateral and DD records.
    Glad you liked it.
    Cheers

  • @butchfoot
    @butchfoot 15 років тому +1

    wonder how it would sound with one of the Edison 52000 electrics??

  • @nacho66662000
    @nacho66662000 2 роки тому

    looks like a brunswick ultona single side reproducer, not from a victrola. Now that i saw the whole video .The sound box looks like the edison side of the double sided ultona with the lateral cut - pathe side removed .

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +3

    The second record is electric.
    Never been a fan of the electric DDs, don't seem to sound that much better. But then this is based on a sample size 3
    : )

  • @5botball
    @5botball 15 років тому +1

    can you put newer records on it?

  • @ikonix360
    @ikonix360 9 років тому +2

    The way the record drops after being rejected does it harm or have the potential to harm the record?

    • @sanfranphono
      @sanfranphono  9 років тому +2

      +jmcinvale I did it just for the shock value : )
      The drawer was empty, and it dropped on about 7/4" of dense felt. I would not drop a second DD on the first one.
      The system works perfectly with lateral 78s however.

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  14 років тому +1

    @riqzster hey, it's the only way. To flange an Edison DD, you would need to modify the tone arm quite a bit. Not going to do that for a little experiment.
    Unless you go the Pathe way and use a diamond stylus in a pathe style soundbox, as I did in my video: Rachmaninoff Edison vs Victor - should be in the side bar, or check in my channel.
    Cheers

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  14 років тому +1

    @riqzster Yeah kindof - with a machine shop you could modify an Edison soundbox to play on a victrola - but way too much work.
    I;ll leave that to someone else ....
    : )

  • @danielguevara9023
    @danielguevara9023 4 роки тому

    "Chale, es de que tá rechido"

  • @audiophile1024
    @audiophile1024 3 роки тому

    I thoroughly enjoyed the video. I know you only ejected the first record for the video, but it still made me cringe, because DD records are so fragile. I really like the idea of playing a DD record with an orthophonic reproducer.

  • @robfriedrich2822
    @robfriedrich2822 8 років тому +1

    Was it a Pathe stylus?

    • @sanfranphono
      @sanfranphono  8 років тому +1

      No, a straight diamond stylus. Pathe styli are potentially larger, but could be tried-

  • @robfriedrich2822
    @robfriedrich2822 8 років тому +1

    You played a Long Play?

    • @sanfranphono
      @sanfranphono  8 років тому +1

      Nah, you know that LP's skip like mad, without a wormgear this would be a very bad idea.
      Cheers

    • @robfriedrich2822
      @robfriedrich2822 8 років тому +1

      So it's usual to get up to 8 minutes per side?

    • @sanfranphono
      @sanfranphono  8 років тому +2

      No, those are 2x4minute sides.
      On an Edison DD the max is almost 5 mins per 10" side

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  14 років тому +1

    @TheRiqzster Check my video Rachmaninoff C# Minor Prelude and the video Pathe Hallelujah for an answer ...

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +3

    Define new? the machine will play records made before the LP, that's up to 1950, though works best with records before 1935.
    Carsten

  • @sanfranphono
    @sanfranphono  15 років тому +1

    the C-1 and C-2 are both tube amplified radio phonographs.
    If you go to myvintagetv dot c o m click on consoles, the C-1 is right at the top.
    Cheers

  • @5botball
    @5botball 15 років тому +1

    I mean relatively new. those are edison records. I mean like a beetles record

  • @BURKECOUNTYSKYHAWK
    @BURKECOUNTYSKYHAWK 12 років тому +1

    Yea 1 more thing Im tired Goin 2 bed Up all nite messin with that turntable ,hay It worked not good but none the less it didnt cost a million 2 see if there was music on them.Later Taters .

  • @BURKECOUNTYSKYHAWK
    @BURKECOUNTYSKYHAWK 12 років тому +1

    Sorry I forgot If anybody wants them 2 disks i have Ill mail them 2 uall I dont no how much it would cost but i need a little extra 4 gas please Later Taters again.40.00 dollars mabey .

  • @artshifrin3053
    @artshifrin3053 5 років тому +1

    SO WHAT? STILL NEITHER HI NOR LOW END...