Victor Victrola Automatic Changer VE 10-35 X Ten Thirty Five circa 1928 Hi-Def
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- The Victor Company's 2nd-version automatic changer, circa 1928, which can play ten and twelve-inch record sizes intermixed. Brings a whole new meaning to "record reject" but despite the quirky operation it really handles records well.
Records are played acoustically via Victor's Orthophonic reproducer. This was the last of Victor's changer machines offered without a tube amplifier.
Wow! I like how gentle the mechanism handles and then record and then just tosses it aside into the bin.
Yes, it's fun to watch! Thanks for the comment!
Greetings from Calcutta, India.
Your treasure is worth millions of dollars. Please preserve it.
Just a beautiful Victor Victrola. The cabinet is a work of art.
Thank you! The Victor company had a world-class cabinet manufacturing facility and these late-1920's designs were a refreshing departure from the standard "Victrola" look. This cabinet would fit in nicely in any room today!
My great Uncle had one of these machines. He left me his huge record collection from that era. They are in quite nice condition actually. When I was a kid I did get to witness the thing go haywire on several occasions, throwing record out the top, crush record on turntable. I had forgotten they can sound THIS good! Thanks!
Ive actually never seen a 78 rpm record sound that clean.
The Magic’s of cleaning vinyl records.
@@Luc-Sist_07 it's not vinyl. smh
@@Luc-Sist_07 Shellac, but yeah, the Magic of cleaning records. Lol
@@leiilo excuse me. I forgot the technicality. Thank you for reminding me.
@@Luc-Sist_07 Haha np!
As if the changer was not AWESOME enough, The Acoustical properties are truly unbelievable, Sounding truly ELECTRICAL in sound quality!!
I'm glad you liked the music selections! I used a pair of Neumann microphones mounted on a stereo T-bar and short microphone stand, placed about 18 inches in front of the horn opening. This close proximity with the added sound reflections does give a sort of stereo effect, but of course this is a monophonic player. Thanks for the nice comments!
Just wonderful! What a true hybrid. The sensing of record sizes is amazing. The tossing the records aside was only done very early in record changer history, fortunately. I have a 1974 RCA Victrola console; the last year for the 2 towers letting the records down. BTW, Victor Ortho-phonic reproducers are terrific sounding, getting everything out of the new, electrically recorded records of the late-20s day.
Thanks, TuneStunnaMusic! Although a lot of 78's are worn-out and heavily scratched, there are thankfully still a lot of nice unworn ones out there to find if one is lucky, and also knows where to look for them. Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks, Helios Haul! I enjoy watching peoples' reactions when they see this in person!
Thank you! Just over a year ago I had never heard or seen one of these myself! I enjoy playing it nearly every day, and I'm very glad to have restored it.
That is remarkable. Amazing fidelity and sound output considering it's acoustical. Interesting to see there were record changers before there were amplifiers, and what an elaborate mechanism! It's a privilege to see it in action!
Thank you very much! I glad you enjoyed it!
Love the way it almost throws the played record away.
Was für ein traumhaft wundervoll einzigartig schönes elektrisches Grammophon!😍
Danke! Es freut mich das es Ihnen gefallen hat!
To Hiruit Nguyse: The "horns" you ask about act as record separators. In case an adjacent record slides up with the bottom one, the pawls will restrict the extra record so that it won't drop with the intended bottom record. It will drop on the subsequent change cycle. Thanks for the question!
Thanks for your comments! The rounded finished edges of the Victor records of that era seem to help minimize surface scratching, at least in my experience. Glad you liked the video!
Wonderful machine for that time. Pure sound. No record noises.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you!
Where can I find Cactus Thorn Needles?? I can`t get over the Sound of this Beautiful Machine! Truly a Masterpiece!!
Excelent fidelity fantastic! Cant belive the sound qwality.
Truly a beautiful machine...and an engineering marvel. Thanks for making this video and sharing. What might one expect to pay for a functioning machine.
I'm glad you like it! I enjoyed restoring this machine and making the video. Price for a restored unit would vary widely depending on condition and location, but would be at least $1500.00 in my opinion. Thanks for posting!
Thanks for your comments! I used a pair of Neumann microphones mounted on a stereo T-bar and short microphone stand, placed about 18 inches in front of the horn opening. This close proximity with the added sound reflections does give a sort of stereo effect, but of course this is a monophonic player. Hope you liked the video!
These Machines are Truly Amazing! The Sound Quality is AWESOME! The Changer, ASTOUNDING!
Thank you! It's an enjoyable machine to play and watch!
It is indeed!
@amberola1b Glad you liked the video! I think any changer can damage records if it isn't adjusted or maintained properly. Victor's earlier changer has the record drop through a slot to a lower storage drawer, where it hits a thick bed of padded felt as it comes to rest vertically. Victor's records of the era were nicely finished, with smooth edges. I've examined them after playing but really haven't found any surface scratches or other problems caused by the changers.
PS: I'm looking for a 1B!
Not only does this phonograph have a unique automatic mechansim, but is the best sounding I have ever heard.
@75capriceconvertible Thanks for your comments! Yes, it's nice to imagine how inventive engineers could be in designing such remarkable machinery-American genius at its best!
I've only just heard about this model today, and It's amazing! I've gotta get myself one someday.
These are fun changers when functioning correctly and they sound very good!
Thanks for your comment!
Really fine presentation, great machine, terrific sound... THANK YOU!
Great video!, very explicative and funny. Thanks for it!. What a pleasure is hearing and seeing a beautiful victrola. All the best from Viña del Mar, Chile.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I finally found my own after years of watching your video hoping that I one day would find one. Thanks for making this great video!
I'm so glad you have your own 10-35 now! Glad that the video was helpful in your search! I hope you have many years of enjoyment. Thanks for your comments.
GracevilleMN Thanks! How much trouble was yours to get running? I had to take mine out of the cabinet at least 5 or 6 times because something would go wrong 🙄. Worth it though, I love mine!
@@greg6767 Mine needed motor work and some minor mechanical adjustments. As you already know it's quite difficult to access any part of the works! I'm glad yours is working properly now!
Amazing, how acoustic players can sound.
What a gorgeous piece of gear!
Glad you like it! It was Victor's most sophisticated (and complicated) changer for many years. Thanks!
@CurzonRoad Thanks! I enjoyed making the video and continue to enjoy this machine!
What a beautiful machine. I love victrolas but never saw one with an auto load. Very cool. Nice job on the recording too.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
For an acousticly amplified player, this really does sound good.
Thank you! These machines were designed to play acoustically very well. Electric reproduction took awhile to catch up and eventually surpass them in the eyes/ears of the buying public.
Thanks for your comment!
I've never seen a record player like this before. It's pretty neat.
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks for the comment!😉
I did the restoration myself on this machine. My needle set-down issue was very slight, and rather than adjust the mechanism I made the adjustment when rebuilding the reproducer. There's some leeway when placing the new rubber connector (where reproducer joins the arm) to change the needle set-down in or out. If yours is slight, you might try this. Removing the changer, weighing 60 lbs, is a major pain. Send a private message for more info re/ repair manual for this. Best regards
Reminds me of some parties I've been to, Just fling the records to the side!
Those must have been wild parties! Thanks for your comment!
@@GracevilleMN No really: just the usual lubricant is enough. I have to admit that I (much to my shame) managed to stop the music at one party by somehow breaking the stylus. I blame the huge amount of fluff which accumulated on the "needle".
I had no idea there were acoustic record changers. Thanks for sharing this.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment!
great camera and great flash back!!
Incredibly good fidelity for an acoustic machine.Presumably it is electric motor driven, and would it have used steel needles originally which would be wearing during the large long playing sequence ?.An excellent video of a wonderful piece of engineering that I could watch all day !.
No, the player/changer mechanism has an electric motor, running on regular household current. The sound reproduction is completely acoustic, however. Sorry about any confusion!
An antique dealer in New London CT told me that mechanical (wind up) gramophones were manufactured as late as the 1940s. Your model is absolutely beautiful. Thank you for posting.
@@michaelmckenna6464 I'm so glad you liked it! Thanks for your comment!
Superb machine - can't be many of these left? Great sound too. Thank you!
I'm glad you liked it! These machines in working order do seem rather scarce.
Thanks for the comment!
what a beautiful machine
Can you post more 78s with this phonograph? The sound is absolutely fantastic!
Beautiful!
Thank you! I was lucky to find it!
The Wagner piece sounds startlingly good! What a neat machine. :)
Thanks! I continue to enjoy using it! Stokowski was especially interested in improving the sound of the recorded orchestra and worked closely with the Victor engineers in the early electric era. Thanks again for your comments!
GracevilleMN I've read Maxfield and Harrison's paper on the first electric recording system and the design of the Orthophonic reproducer they designed. It's amazing what the did with what was available in 1925.Your machine is a great example. :)
Joe Collins Thanks again! I'm glad to have it operating so nicely.
@Turkeydoodlers Yes, until I was satisfied that I had adjusted the mechanism I would be standing by too, making sure the records came off properly into the bin. There haven't been any chipped or broken records at all so far! Glad you liked the video!
Very beautiful
Early robotics! Fascinating!
It's quite a setup! Thanks for the comment!
Thanks Montanarus! I really enjoy playing this.
Thanks for the compliment! I used a good off-camera stereo mike placed in front of the speaker opening for better sound. The cactus needle cuts a lot of record surface hiss.
LOVE that mechanism.
Your videos are the best, thank you!
+jerzmacow I'm glad you like them! Thanks for the comment!
@merrihew Thanks for the nice comments! Yes, everything is orginal with the machine. The woodwork and shading of the finish was typical of the trends of the late 1920's. I'll experiment with mike placement in later posts, though I like what came across here. I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
You have the coolest players love them
Thanks for the comment! I enjoy them a lot!
@maryhartline I'm glad you liked it! I'm sure lots of machines sound better than what we hear in many videos, due to the limited capabilities of built-in camera microphones, along with the added compression.
I wasn't aware of the Rienzi recording location, but know that Stokowski was an avid participant in improving the recorded orchestral sound. Thanks again!
The Rienzi Overture was recorded by Stokowski and The Philadelphia Orchestra at the Academy of Music in 1926. What you see is side 3 of the performance.
incredible fidelity
Yes, the sound can be remarkable with a good record and machine! Thanks for your comment!
Through headphones it sounds as if this is playing in stereo! Of course I know it's not playing in stereo and it's probably just and effect of the the microphone placement and room acoustics, but it really does make it sound as if some instruments are panned!
+CoolDudeClem I'm glad you liked the music selections! I used a pair of Neumann microphones mounted on a stereo T-bar and short microphone stand, placed about 18 inches in front of the horn opening. This close proximity with the added sound reflections does give a sort of stereo effect, but of course this is a monophonic player. Thanks for the nice comments!Hope you check out my other machine videos, including this one: ua-cam.com/video/73_CQAfQON8/v-deo.html
Glad you liked it! And thanks for your story!
I had wondered why some records had an accented lead out groove. I had even heard that it is for some automatic players, never saw one of them in action. Loved the video and the music.
I'm glad you liked the video! Thanks for your comments!
@pigpaul Glad you liked it! The modern palm-sized video cameras are easier and better than those in the years past.
Very nice Maine, but geesh when that slides them records off to the side lol.. I'd be standing there nervous lol.. But they don't look like they get damaged?
Very nice machine. Excellent sound, especially for an acoustic machine. I can't tell from looking at this what causes the played record to eject from the turntable and be dropped into the storage space on the side. It just seems to drop on its own. Machines are quicker than the eye it seems.
+cricketrecords Thanks for the comments! There's a leather-tipped metal finger just outside the turntable at the 10-o'clock position that rises up under the record rim at the start of the reject cycle. That contact, combined with the moving rubber surface of the turntable is what causes the record to be ejected off to the left. There's a quick glimpse of the finger at the 3:27 mark on the video. PS: I like your user name! I remember the 7-inch Cricket Records from my childhood!
Got it, thanks. My favorite record as a child was a 7 inch Cricket Record that a friend owned, "Miguel the Mighty Matador". Hence my user name.
Amazing sound for acoustic playback
Yes, it does sound wonderful, doesn't it? Thanks for the comment!
In general I am surprised, how good the vintage records could sound. Seems, that most people doesn't expect much. The autor of a "vinyl" plug in for audio editors claims a "1905 sound" as "1930", that is pretty wrong.
So often we only hear very worn records played improperly, so these old recordings often suffer with a poor reputation for sound quality. Thanks again for the comment!
Lightweighted pick ups with saphire or diamond stylus were introduced in the end of the 1930's, but a minority was willing, to use them. So much records are worn, especially the "non shellacs" in the shellac age, as "Hit of the week", "Durium", "Phonycord flexible" or the amateur records, because the material was softer, people didn't care about special angle styli, and today's record player were available after 1938, but one possible option, most machines has steel needle and were "record grinder".
That the microgroove records in PVC came in the end of the 1940's was related to the fact, that people were willing to play records via loudspeakers and also willing to use saphire and diamond styli, because the advantages of record changer and long playing records.
Where can I find some of these Cactus Thorn Needles? I can`t believe seeing these play up to 10 Records, I had some bamboo needles, if I got one play out of them I was lucky, I hate to stop and sharpen a needle in the middle of a good "Little Wonder" Record!
Here is a link to the Talking Machine Forum with some information you can use regarding purchasing new cactus thorn needles. Good luck!
forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33004&start=10
Amazing!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
A bit harsh on the exit mode...does it ever break records ?
+Richard Allen Properly adjusted, I'd say just about never. However, a warped record might not cycle properly, and may jam in the lift ring (around the turntable). Even then, the motor would simply stop, with likely not enough force to break the record. Surprisingly, it doesn't seem to scratch the records either. Victor was pretty good about smoothly rounding its record edges so not much of this happens. Thanks for the question!
+GracevilleMN Thanks for the information. Nice item
It's never broken a record AFTER all adjustments were completed while bench-testing! :) In early trials I stayed very near the changer while it went through its cycles! Thanks for the question!
@@GracevilleMN I am glad for that, because the way it changes records is a bit harsh.
1) Aren't you supposed to change the needle between each and every record? Did they make special needles that would you play the full 12 sides?
2) The sound quality sound excellent! Hardly any surface noise and good fidelity.
Check out this guy.... He has a awesome sounding machine
ua-cam.com/video/boO0WCl75bI/v-deo.html
@maynardcat Thanks! I've long wanted to do a demo using something better than the internal video camera mic.
really cool video, and you posted it on my birthday. By the way, do you agree about the negative things that have been said about this model being the second version of the auto changer, that damage to the records could occur during the record changing process, and that it`s not as delicate to the records as the first version?
What a great mechanism! And what a great recording!
It's stereo!?
Funny how you mention using a cactus thorn needle, since I use rose thorns to listen to my shellac records.
I'd like to know what species rose would have large enough thorns to do this! Thanks for the comment!
Wirklich sehr exklusives Teil und ein super Klang! mich würde interessieren was so etwas 1928 gekostet hat !
Help me to understand. This is an electric phonograph that plays records acoustically. It means you can't control play volume levels...
Volume was controlled in two ways: By using the doors in front of the speaker opening, and/or using different needle types-soft, medium or loud tone. Thanks for your question!
@GracevilleMN Will keep you in mind. Stay tuned!
WOW! Great stereo sound! And I thought that stereo was introduced in 1958, not 1928.
Its not stereo. The microphones give an l and r channel , i assume, in real life mono played through dual speakers can sound incredibly spacious and when I play my 78 back with a stereo DJ cartridge that is stiff enough to handle it they actually sound even more spacious than through a dedicated mono cartridge and it can be a weird affect hearing it sound like it's stereo, they're definitely not recorded in Stereo though
There were some earlier stereo records that played with two different needles at once and film sound head stereos far back is if I'm not mistaken The Wizard of Oz or some other early title like Gone With The Wind I can't remember exactly but the stereo Long play record was indeed invented when you say and the masses didn't experience stereo until around then except at movie theater houses
The cosmetics on this machine are impressive. Is it original? I too use a separate decent mike for posting and it makes a big difference. About 6 ft. back and about 18' off the floor (the lower position seems to help).
Nice bit of engineering, but it looks like a record buster to me. And that antiquated accoustical sound. A dinosaur!
Thanks for your comments! Lots of steps have been taken to get us to the present level of audio playback!
wow moi qui adore la mécanique
Mecanismo fantastico
Si! Gracias!
excellent machine. I always thought you had to use a fresh needle for each play. is this not the case on this model
Good question! This changer was designed to use Victor's Tungs-tone "semi-permanent" needle. These needles had a metal shaft with a tip of tungsten wire, designed to wear itself, rather than the record groove. New old-stock needles such as these are in somewhat scarce supply, so I've used new cactus thorn needles which I make up myself. I feel the softer fiber needles cause less wear on the shellac groove, and they can be re-sharpened for dozens of plays. Thanks!
+GracevilleMN hi. thanks for the quick reply.
I see, thanx :)
Wow that great.
Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked it!
1:47 Sliding the disc that way after playing is okay for shellac because they are hard and can't easily get scratched. I think it would be disastrous for vinyl.
You're right! Fortunately, by the time regular vinyl lps were introduced the changer designs had been simplified in most cases, although engineers kept coming up with other unusual designs for later changers. Thanks for the comment!
Hammer Teil
nice phonograph record changer I hope I get one
Frigging heck....that mechanism is absolutely AMAZING man....like a sort of juke-box style....is that thing Electric...or windup..??..just read in the text, that apparently the machine has NO amp..??.
+Steve Wyman Thanks for the comments! I'm glad you liked it! The changer is run by an electric induction motor, and yes, the sound reproduction is all acoustic with no electronics involved. I used a better off-camera recording device to best demonstrate how well the Orthophonic recording playback can sound.
yeh, as I said..its great...I could imagine..that if a mechanism like that was built into a machine..with a normal electronic pick up cartridge...and a nice hefty powerful valve / tube amp...it would be something quite amazing indeed...!!! ~ I have a lovely collection of 1950 's era 78 's....and have to make do with a standard Garrard deck..running through my sound system rig..to play them on..!!!
Who did the restoration on your machine?? I have the same machine but mine needs some adjustments with the tone arm when it starts at the beginning of the record.
What about needles. Usually single play. Do you use chrome needles?
Back when these were introduced Victor recommended using its "Tungs-tone"
multi-play needle. I use a cactus-thorn needle on these. They will play several records before needing resharpening. Thanks for your question!
Vielen Dank!
Ja bym się bał, że to potłucze płyty, tak tym rzuca. Bym na Waszym miejscu jakieś gąbki zastosował w miejscu, w którym pada płyta.
Dzięki za komentarze! Właściwie nie miałem rekordów w tej maszynie, chociaż wygląda to przerażająco! Mam nadzieję, że film Ci się podobał!
@@GracevilleMN Bardzo mi się podoba! Super! Dziękuję i pozdrawiam!
Please I need a favor where I can find a set like this in the nearest place or in another state no problem for me.. Thanks
I suggest you check out The Talking Machine forum forum.talkingmachine.info/
and become a member for free. You can then post your request for anyone who may have this model for sale. Please read the "Yankee Trader" guidelines before posting. These changers are rather rare. Good luck with your search!
@@GracevilleMN many thanks for the valuable information !
It's funny how carefully it rejects the record played! Maybe nowadays the mechanism can be adapted to change tires. lol
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment!
The Gramophone Company of England OWNED the "Dog & Gramophone" trademark and leased the same to Victor Talking Machine Co. of USA. What might've been better to happen was that the Gramophone Co. of England completely buy out Victor and make Victor a USA subsidiary(junior member of future EMI group) of The Gramophone Co., thereby heading off any RCA interest. The British parent would then rebrand Victor to be The Gramophone Company(USA) Pty. Ltd. Then, in 1938 when the Gramophone Company Ltd. merged with Columbia Graphophone Ltd. in England to form EMI, the new branding would then carry over to make the American arm EMI(Americas) Ltd. and shift the head office from Camden, New Jersey USA to Toronto, Ontario Canada. Then in 1955 when EMI bought out Capitol, the administration of that label moved to Toronto, Canada(A British Commonwealth country, in keeping with EMI's home base) with the Capitol Tower used only as a distribution warehouse and studio facility. Then, and only then could RCA take over the now-empty building that was the former Victor Talking Machine Company's factory at Camden, New Jersey to make their radio sets. RCA would've entered the recording industry anyway but at least they wouldn't have been using a trademark that wasn't theirs to use. The Dog & Gramophone trademark would've been safely retained by its rightful owner and its North-Americas-based junior member of the EMI group.
It plays completly with no elecrticity??
3-lb. tonearm
How much was this brand new in 1928?
This retailed for $365.00 in 1928!
@@GracevilleMN Holy moly! I think you could get a Ford T for $600 back then. Those $365 are about $5500 in today's money.
Que hay mecanismo de las fonola de disco simple .eran fonola a ficha
Gracias!
1:47 I literally gasped at that sound of that part. A bit harsh on the records, I would never buy this machine, although the thought and mechanisms behind it are genius, I wouldn't want my records to break!
Thanks for your comment! Oddly enough, this changer hasn't damaged a record since it was restored. It does look scary, though, when the record is pitched off to the side! Thanks for watching!
No, thank you for posting!