In New Zealand, this river and park are legal persons | Jacinta Ruru | TEDxChristchurch

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  • In 2014, the Te Urewera National Park in New Zealand became recognised as a legal person under the law. In 2017, New Zealand did it again, declaring the Whanganui River as a legal entity. Law professor Jacinta Ruru considers the implications of these historic events in this warm and informative talk.
    Jacinta Ruru (Raukawa, Ngāti Ranginui) is an award winning Professor of Law at the University of Otago, Co-Director of Ngā Pae o te Māramatanga New Zealand’s Centre of Māori Research Excellence, fellow of the Royal Society Te Apārangi, and recipient of the New Zealand’s Prime Minister’s Supreme Award for Excellence in Tertiary Teaching. Her more than 100 publications assert Indigenous’ peoples rights and responsibilities to own and care for lands and waters and develop multidisciplinary understandings of landscapes. She holds a PhD from the University of Victoria, Canada, and has research collaborations around the world. Jacinta Ruru (Raukawa, Ngāti Ranginui) is an award winning Professor of Law at the University of Otago, Co-Director of Ngā Pae o te Māramatanga New Zealand’s Centre of Māori Research Excellence, fellow of the Royal Society Te Apārangi, and recipient of the New Zealand’s Prime Minister’s Supreme Award for Excellence in Tertiary Teaching. Her more than 100 publications assert Indigenous’ peoples rights and responsibilities to own and care for lands and waters and develop multidisciplinary understandings of landscapes. She holds a PhD from the University of Victoria, Canada, and has research collaborations around the world. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx

КОМЕНТАРІ • 125

  • @nikize
    @nikize 5 років тому +223

    Hi from Tom Scott

  • @CharlieTheNerd91
    @CharlieTheNerd91 3 роки тому +34

    Tom Scott mad me come here

  • @bayezidhtanu2907
    @bayezidhtanu2907 5 років тому +29

    From Tom Scottt :D

  • @sillygoose635
    @sillygoose635 5 років тому +18

    Thanks, Tom.

  • @tangata_rereke4016
    @tangata_rereke4016 Рік тому +3

    Ko Karanama Te Kuta te tangata
    Ko Ngati Te Apunga te hapu
    Raukawa ki te koakoaroa o Patetere te iwi nui tonu..❤🖤❤🖤

  • @LTPottenger
    @LTPottenger 4 роки тому +21

    Do they have the right to privacy, though?

    • @pixleace1822
      @pixleace1822 3 роки тому +4

      as a kiwi I can see how this wont make alot of sense to you not being immersed in the culture but it (no they it is still just a river) has its own set of rights that are different to that of a person

  • @Artaxerses1945
    @Artaxerses1945 Рік тому +4

    I own some property in the Atchafalaya Basin . I was just out there in a meeting with my surroundings and we voted that my soul responsibility was paying the taxes so it could exist in a perpetual state of freedom !

  • @karlbartelt3939
    @karlbartelt3939 5 років тому +29

    Tom sent me here :)

  • @philipsullivan4885
    @philipsullivan4885 Місяць тому

    Awesome speech, awesome idea!

  • @ceciliahong4898
    @ceciliahong4898 5 років тому +18

    9:45

    • @default632
      @default632 5 років тому

      I was almost giving up in 5:00 before I saw this

    • @WeirdAlSuperFan
      @WeirdAlSuperFan 4 роки тому +3

      Even this was too early. She barely ever says anything about what the law does. Maybe that means it does almost nothing.

  • @user-fp6dt1os1l
    @user-fp6dt1os1l 3 роки тому +1

    What does she keep saying before "New Zealand"? Is it a place name? Adjective? The captions say "Altera Dahl in New Zealand"??

    • @waynedas873
      @waynedas873 3 роки тому

      Idk, sounds like a place name though.

    • @imabeloveddaughter
      @imabeloveddaughter 3 роки тому +2

      New Zealand is a country. South pacific. Beautiful. Getting taken over by commies

    • @luciaedwards3476
      @luciaedwards3476 3 роки тому +22

      Aotearoa is the indigenous Maori name for New Zealand, the translation means "the long white cloud" :)

    • @RubyDoobieScoo
      @RubyDoobieScoo 2 роки тому +3

      @@imabeloveddaughter you don't know what a communist is

  • @cohli514
    @cohli514 3 роки тому +3

    I came from Tom Scott

    • @thekuba9352
      @thekuba9352 2 роки тому

      may i ask kindly who tf is tom scott

    • @leiph
      @leiph Рік тому

      @@thekuba9352 UA-camr, he makes a variety of different vids

  • @user-fp6dt1os1l
    @user-fp6dt1os1l 3 роки тому +8

    Interesting conicidence that she has the same name as the Prime Minister. I feel like it's a pretty unusual name

    • @mikag5766
      @mikag5766 3 роки тому +15

      Her name is Jacinta and our Prime Minister’s name is Jacinda! It’s close but not quite the same!

  • @E.V.817
    @E.V.817 2 роки тому +3

    Tf did I just click on?

  • @Slaarduk
    @Slaarduk 6 місяців тому

    When the druid becomes the lawyer

  • @jonathanm9436
    @jonathanm9436 4 роки тому +13

    I nearly didn't persist. But I did. Intriguing. Please NZ, stop being so awesome - you're better Aussies than we are. So irritating.

    • @imabeloveddaughter
      @imabeloveddaughter 3 роки тому +4

      Then covid happens and illusion is burst.

    • @RubyDoobieScoo
      @RubyDoobieScoo 2 роки тому +4

      @@imabeloveddaughter what?

    • @RubyDoobieScoo
      @RubyDoobieScoo 2 роки тому +1

      @@imabeloveddaughter you'd rather people died like they did in other countries? We got to pretty much avoid having to live with the virus for a year, saving people from lifelong health issues or death and now we have vaccines available now that we actually have to deal with it.
      Unfortunately morons like you probably think the vaccine has microchips in it because that's what your meth dealer said.

    • @--Traveler--
      @--Traveler-- Рік тому

      @@RubyDoobieScoo you're kidding right?

    • @martinhawes5647
      @martinhawes5647 Рік тому +2

      All countries had lockdown restrictions.
      And all countries had people unwillingly to sacrifice for the greater good.

  • @axeljones8456
    @axeljones8456 Рік тому

    Princes hill secondary college give me an yo

  • @jla5404
    @jla5404 Рік тому

    I didn't hear anything until 2 minutes in because I was freaking out how much she looked like the painting, of the Mona Lisa 🙄😳✌️

  • @mahirahirangi-thompson9715
    @mahirahirangi-thompson9715 6 років тому +4

    Tikanga , kawa ,me te ture Maori hoki ,other cultures just wouldn’t understand and we don’t expect then too know or learn “Te Ao Maori”.

    • @ngaarauuira1685
      @ngaarauuira1685 6 років тому +2

      They can't quite figure out how destructive their thinking and doctrines are toward the very thing they purport to be preserving.

  • @InservioLetum
    @InservioLetum Рік тому

    Ooooof.....

  • @karin7.london
    @karin7.london 4 роки тому +4

    Jacinta Manawahine

  • @stupidAgeverificatio
    @stupidAgeverificatio 5 років тому +56

    This speech is a mess. Facts are extremely sparse. Lots of emotion is expressed but none of it is explained. Here's an example of just how verbose the speech is while saying very little: 6:35 "The law also looks to and has created other entities to have legal personality. and for example incorporated companies is a really good example of it. Around the world companies have been regarded as having legal personality."
    Are you kidding me? Is this a speech or an exercise in saying legal personality as many times as possible before actually explaining anything.

    • @christopherprice01
      @christopherprice01 5 років тому +8

      This is common with a significant number of people in legal professions. Verbose without actually saying much, often arguing from authority and never explaining or putting into context their assertions. Usually followed by mild condescension.

    • @mirellajaber7704
      @mirellajaber7704 Рік тому

      Faulty reasoning all the way… it’s a PANDEMIC

  • @accessaryman
    @accessaryman Рік тому +1

    is this what a university education produces, wow it also educates you to be able to change history, yay for the education system

    • @CCelia1953
      @CCelia1953 Рік тому

      Maybe it's common sense..... The most dependable source to get answers from.

  • @Nile09
    @Nile09 4 роки тому +13

    I'm a Kiwi, but this is embarrassing

    • @saa82vik
      @saa82vik 4 роки тому +8

      Nile Ah thank you. I know teds are peppered by virtue signaling and self important blabbering, but this trumps all of them.

    • @Nile09
      @Nile09 4 роки тому +1

      Well said

    • @thingme9941
      @thingme9941 Рік тому

      Be fair! Seeing is believing. Until someone proves to me that this is fashion reinventing itself I'm quite happy here on the Chathams.

  • @levigarrett8674
    @levigarrett8674 4 роки тому +12

    I hate everything about this womans incoherent jumble of thought vaguely tied together with a heap of self shaming ,then a boat load of political correct gibberish.

  • @anthonysherry2628
    @anthonysherry2628 Рік тому +5

    How can Maori be indigenous? They came here in the 13th Century. She is not indigenous, she is of mixed race.

    • @thingme9941
      @thingme9941 Рік тому

      It was proven in the sequel to the fim Utu with Ututu.

    • @micahstoodley2488
      @micahstoodley2488 Рік тому +1

      Bro, that's like saying Europeans aren't indigenous to Europe or Asians aren't indigenous to Asia, humans originated from Africa however we generally refer to the people who first lived in a given area as indigenous.

    • @--Traveler--
      @--Traveler-- Рік тому +1

      @@micahstoodley2488 incorrect.
      europeans are caucASIAN, as well as peoples known as native eurasian. those bordering east europea and asia.

  • @ranuitiopira23
    @ranuitiopira23 2 роки тому +5

    boys can be girls, trees can be human...
    it's all mad.

    • @thingme9941
      @thingme9941 Рік тому +1

      No! It's quite a cunning move to bewilder all the 70 million sheep in Godzone, four million of whom are humans. But sheep have rights too.

    • @ktakashismith
      @ktakashismith Рік тому +1

      Corporations are people too, perfectly natural, yet you're not up in arms about that are you?

    • @hamzagencay6744
      @hamzagencay6744 10 місяців тому

      Clearly you are in confusion as you cant distinguish natural person from legal personality.

  • @skywatcher2025
    @skywatcher2025 5 років тому +14

    cringe...

  • @jruskky7545
    @jruskky7545 4 роки тому +5

    People first, this the land is a "Legal Person" it is simply to bilk it for value, and scam it like you. You who are Human, a man, or woman. A child of god, sovereign and with Rights granted by that creator. A " Legal Person" is a Trade name in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. eg: John Smith a man, is different from JOHN SMITH the legal person. Open your eyes and be Red Pilled

    • @govcorpwatch
      @govcorpwatch 2 роки тому +2

      Thank god people other than me understand this and see this. The park and river can do business as a "legal person." that's what these people have accomplished. lol!

    • @gavincarey4782
      @gavincarey4782 3 місяці тому

      Beliefs are not facts , we can choose

  • @alankilduff3207
    @alankilduff3207 Рік тому

    Silly Idea.

  • @b-manz
    @b-manz 6 років тому +23

    First people? Not proven, but the idea helps the cause. Making a river a legal person is a bit ridiculous. Does it also pay tax? I agree with keeping these areas pristine.

    • @ngaarauuira1685
      @ngaarauuira1685 6 років тому +51

      Not proven? Maori are acknowledged as Indigenous Peoples throughout the world, especially by the Global Indigenous Community - only seems to be White people continuously challenging and undermining Maori claim to indigeneity.
      Secondly, did you forget that the river existed before the concept of taxation was even thought of?
      Thirdly, recognising that the river is a living entity is about reengineering our broken relationship with it. For too long human interests have sat at the heart of decision-making and its not working. Clearly, this is about placing the interests of the river at the focus of our attention and then reflecting this in the human systems we impose upon it.

    • @delmarae100
      @delmarae100 5 років тому +30

      If the USA can recognise a corporation as having rights to vote as individuals in a political system why shouldnt a living entity have rights.

    • @jypsridic
      @jypsridic 5 років тому +6

      @@delmarae100 Rivers aren't alive. lol. Also, why would you assume that the OP isn't against the idea of corporations being legal people too?
      Personally I am of the opinion that having a brain is a prerequisite to having rights or earning respect.

    • @iuriepripa3171
      @iuriepripa3171 5 років тому +2

      not proven? what do you mean?

    • @jcnash02
      @jcnash02 5 років тому +2

      Delma Rae corporations do not have the right to vote in the USA.

  • @samkalma8268
    @samkalma8268 4 роки тому +9

    wth this is delusion!

    • @levigarrett8674
      @levigarrett8674 4 роки тому

      Lmao you called that right,this woman is straight off the flower child bus with her boring AF acid induced PC rambelings .

    • @govcorpwatch
      @govcorpwatch 2 роки тому

      India has given Dolphins and rivers legal personhood.... and saudi arabia has granted a computer AI "digital" legal personhood!

    • @--Traveler--
      @--Traveler-- Рік тому

      @@govcorpwatch dolphins should have animal rights, not rights of people.

    • @govcorpwatch
      @govcorpwatch Рік тому

      @@--Traveler-- then you can't say that people should be "legal persons" because "legal persons" DO NOT HAVE the natural human rights of living breathing humans! Legal privileges are NOT natural god given rights.

  • @jakobbryn5625
    @jakobbryn5625 5 років тому +9

    wtf

  • @peterchristie292
    @peterchristie292 Рік тому

    Delusional!

  • @keanongee2032
    @keanongee2032 Рік тому

    The natives said they weren't the first first natives in NZ

  • @gavincarey4782
    @gavincarey4782 3 місяці тому

    Where are the adults?? this is story time in fantasy land , WHICH WOULD BE OBLITERATED by any fact based argument " GOODNIGHT CHILDREN "

  • @ptorq
    @ptorq Місяць тому

    This sounds somewhere between hippy dippy new age BS and the most cynical possible superficial pandering that I can think of. Ascribing the best possible motives to the people who passed the law (instead of just "get the Maori to vote for my party), such that they actually believed that this would be meaningful in any but a symbolic sense: So the park is "a legal person with rights and responsibilities." What, exactly, are its responsibilities? What is the recourse should it fail to perform those responsibilities? Can I sue it? What can I recover, should I win?

  • @antonsmith1497
    @antonsmith1497 4 роки тому +4

    Oh god another of those green lefties speaking.

    • @androlsaibot
      @androlsaibot 3 роки тому +6

      Look who's talking with a green circle to his left ;-)

    • @elchaffinch4986
      @elchaffinch4986 3 роки тому

      As a green lefty I can assure you this is quite far gone from anything left or right thinking has created before. It is not welcomed as part of green lefty rhetoric but I guess you (insert your own term) right wingers need to paint everyone one colour or the other right?

    • @antonsmith1497
      @antonsmith1497 3 роки тому

      @@elchaffinch4986 I would prefer painting you red :)

    • @thingme9941
      @thingme9941 Рік тому

      Please be fair! I'm off to Brazil to lay a legal charge against all the rain-forests that have caused damage to my roof and guttering.

    • @--Traveler--
      @--Traveler-- Рік тому

      @@elchaffinch4986 interesting that you assume he is right wing lmao!

  • @BaxterRoss
    @BaxterRoss 3 роки тому

    Ghey