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It’s been a difficult time for Thomas as of late, and after an especially rough night of insecurity, Thomas made a deal with Logan to get his life in order! But it’s not going to be that easy for him to shake off all the thoughts and anxieties going through his head, and Remus is pulling out all the stops, attempting to ensnare Thomas in stronger intrusive thoughts than ever. Are all of these thoughts random? Or do they all have to do with… one thing in particular?
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"I DONT CARE ABOUT THE KNIFE BUT THE SOAP!!!" -Remus 2021
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD
That's going to be my year book quote
YES 😂😂😂😂
no one:
logans orange eyes: *exist*
the fandom: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
Yea =>= XD
Fander theorist 1 : ok So we finally are getting an orange character sadly probably will be evil Logan even though that would be pretty epic
Fander theorist 2 : OK but what if it wasn’t even Logan still thinking on your page as well but like what if it’s the dumb side what does that sound stupid
Fander theorist 1 : no no I see where you’re coming from
Etc
AND THE END CREDITS!
Heck yes
22:07 if anyone is wondering
Remus screaming "IM ALLERGIC TO SOAP YOU B*TCH" is probably my favourite part of this video
I do love how they made that part of his character I think it is so remus to be allergic to soap
can we appreciate Logan's growth? he started off being completely unconcerned about Thomas's feelings and emotions, even regarding it as annoying or childish. he only paid attention to the logical side of things and didn't care much about how it made Thomas feel. but now he's actually trying to be more empathetic and help Thomas sort out his feelings, calm down when necessary and generally take care of himself more.
actually, he started off super ok with thomas being a little lenient with schedules for the sake of mental well being, but at the start of season 2 he kinda dropped all bit of emotion and started being more strict with schedules, but he's realizing slowly but surely it's okay to be emotional, which makes his growth all the more refreshing!
but its not working because he's STILL being ignored and he seems real mad about that@@coyotix
@@coyotixi feel like he's trying his best to be what thomas needs but its not working so shits about to go down soon
Remus: * literally gets stabbed in the eye * “ *I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE KNIFE BUT THE SOAP!* “
This whole episode is basically Remus failing trickshots lmao
Sides imperfect
@@jamdatail6773 imperfect side
Every time we get more Remus content, he’s turning more and more into Beetlejuice, and I love that
omg yes
I’m happy I’m not the only one that thought that Remus is more and more becoming Beetlejuice
YESSSSSSS
I love how Remus says he's allergic to soap, but also eats soap regularly
“There is no rhyme or reason to what I do, I just do.”
Self destructive behaviour
@@Foschops70 Jesus Christ
I swear he has a pain/humiliation kink
Yep that's just why I love him so much!! Doing things he shouldn't do even if it's bad for him💖💚💚💚💚🐙🐙🐙🐀🐀
“IM ALLERGIC TO SOAP” -the man who eats deodorant
Right?! XD that had me "wait whut? You ate deodorant in the last episode"
LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can’t stop laughing. Help me!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol I did not think of that
He's like pretty much every lactose intolerant person ever - they can't eat it but that doesn't stop them from doing so
I'm loving the custom book cover, "Ignoring Dummies for Dummies, Are nerds in blue ties bothering you?" 😂
IKR like, I need a copy of that 😭
The attention to detail is amazing
Reminds me of in the game A Hat In Time, when Snatcher is sitting in his house, he’s reading the book “how to kill kids” and chapter 1 just has a picture of a knife and chapter 2 is a picture of poison
I know everyone is excited for the reveal of a new side (orange), or Remus's antics, but can we take a moment to appreciate how Logan was able to repeatedly recognize when Thomas was about to spiral (Through Remus's influence/visualized by what Remus's rube goldbergs), and three separate times, he allowed his schedule to take the back burner in favor of Thomas's wellbeing.
Like he is Logic, and adhering to the schedule is not always the most logical thing to do.
agreed
Character development.
I would liken this to emotional intelligence, which is still a type of intelligence, so it makes sense that logic(Logan) would grow to understand it
I love how Remus’s role is actually just forcing people to look at uncomfortable truths
That's a stretch. Looking at such truths is only a byproduct of interacting with Remus; as we've seen, Remus only wants Thomas to acknowledge his ideas.
@@Chestnut-xm2pv Remus's song had a section where he talks about how understanding oneself is crucial.
I love that Remus is basically honesty in some weird way. Logan represses his own feelings, Roman hides his self-esteem issues, Virgil has A TON of secrets, Janus is DECEIT, and Patton has repressed his feelings, Thomas' scary thoughts, and he's tried to sugar-coat what he thought Thomas' morals should be (even when he wasn't sure). Remus has been completely honest this whole time. Remus doesn't care about how Thomas thinks of him, he just wants Thomas to acknowledge his way of creativity (even then, he's just doing his own thing).
intrusive thoughts aren't necessarily true, though; a lot of them aren't. with intrusive thoughts, you just need to see them, acknowledge them, and then move on with your day (because ignoring them makes them louder). ascribing too much significance to intrusive thoughts can be very destructive.
@@AwkwardDancer93 of course normal instructive thoughts have little to no meaning, but when they get more violent and frequent, it’s usually because you’re repressing something
Logan: You knew they (closets) weren't sentient, right?
Thomas, who has held a conversation with his stove: ...
XD
Thomas: 👁👄👁
He's now the official wine aunt. 🤣
Logan: do you remember cognitive distortions, Thomas
My brain: COGNISANT DISPORTIONS
Hagendaz Disportions
Getting close: cognitive distortions
Gettin further away.
Gognizant dispopoportiooon
almost
Logan is amazing and loving.
1) Helping Thomas get a schedule.
2) Taking care of his health.
3) Validating him.
4) Being gentle to him.
5) Calming his fears.
YES. THANK YOU.
Ikr? This is why my friend loves Logan
So what you're saying is boyfriend material
I mean he was also possessed by the devil for a second so
Can I adopt him?
Thomas: *being a typical horror movie protagonist*
Logan: DANCE!!
To know that Logan is the "Aunt that's done with everyone's crap is just drinking through the pain" is probably the best character arc in 5 seconds.
Logan and Remus’ dynamic is just so funny to me. It’s like the stoic friend who gives 0 fucks having a solo day with the friend who would probably punch a cop then steal their car.
I love that even thought its obvious whose who, it could be either of them depending on the day
Honestly, perfection 👌
me, the autistic girl who also has adhd: and i'm BOTH OF THEM, JAHAHAHJAJAHA-
I love Logan trying to reason with Remus too, treating him like an accepted side. I'm in tears
It’s more like a weird back and forward
I actually feel bad for Logan he tried so hard to get Thomas in line but he just ended up being ignored again
YEAH
Most people are rarely angry for no reason, there’s often (at the very least in their mind) a logical reason behind their rage
Logan never shows many emotions, or claims to not have them. However, on a many many occasions we have seen him portray one emotion, and that’s anger.
It makes sense that logic, could be the center for rage. It also makes sense that he would try to keep it locked away
meaning Logan could be both dark blue and orange as a side
mhh i see thomas took inspiration from a certain book about a logical man having a anger monster inside of him
Logan has most definitely shown emotion on a number if occasions. Happiness being one of them. Atleast in the earlier episodes.
Logan does not smile anymore.
Orange could stand for hopelessness, impatience, and pride. Funny thing to it can stand for deceit and creativity.
@@jakoblent4694 no he cannot. please look at the thumbnail for putting others first.
anyways responding to op, he also experiences fear. is he virgil?
and idk man, Logan isnt the only one getting angry in this episode. even while Logan is talking to Remus we see clips of c!Thomas getting angry at Nico for not responding. and interestingly enough, he gets angry at Nico when they both have knifes, despite this being a fake scenario he imagined. doesnt seem like an exactly logical reason to get worked up
The entire fandom is on a ROLL. We get one drop of Content and we're immediately like "ANGST???"
Fanders are to angst as sharks to blood in the water. We can smell it from miles away
Indeed we can
@@echomoon4693 facts
Seagulls from Finding Nemo! "angst? Angst? Angst! :D"
@@echomoon4693 actually sharks can’t smell blood miles away, because the particles of blood would need to enter their noses for them to smell them, but I know whatcha meant
forget "i thought i was your hero", say hello to "STOP IGNORING ME"
I kin Roman and Logan. I am in pain.
pain.
:,(
I've always loved that the Dark Sides have positive aspects to them, and the implication in this video that the "good" sides could have darker aspects absolutely thrills me. Any trait in an extreme can be hazardous.
Well, the thing about the sides is they only are a part of Thomas personality wich means they are all extremist in there particular domain. And no matter what, being an extremist is never good.
It's so hard to see how Remus has a positive trait though. Like he should have one but like.... WHAT IS IT? It's driving me insane.
@@grayish2538
Well, to me atleast, he almost seems to represent truth in a way.
Like he said in his introduction episode "I would never lie to you Thomas". Which seems to have rained true and makes sense. Remus encompasses intrusive thoughts primarily, now, I need to make sure I word this correctly because its very confusing and took me a minute to wrap my head around. He's definitely the most complicated side imo, lol.
Ok so, intrusive thoughts are.. how do I put this? Not exactly "telling" of a person, they arent something you inherently plan to do or even want to do. But you still thinks those thoughts which CAN mean something. Now, it has been brought up in episodes before that thoughts don't have to have any meaning whatsoever. Im inclined to believe that about say, the bear trap, or the knife flying through the air. However, for the three primary intrusive thoughts of the video 1 thing is consistent and that is what they are alluding to.
That being Thomas's fear of being alone.
Take the oat meal scene for starters, Remus gives Thomas the thought of "What if there's something in my food and I choke and die" Thomas proceeds to express to Logan that if that happened there'd be no one there to help him. He'd be doomed do to his being alone and would die alone in the process.
The closet? While that's probably the most subtle of the examples here, it still contributes to the overall point. Generally when you live with someone the fear of someone hiding in your home to kill you is diminished, and/or if that were to happen you arent alone, you'd have someone there to help you, protect you, watch you back. Also if someone were to break in to kill you and your there alone then dieing alone is simply a thought that will resurface.
Lastly there's the Nico scene/the knife scene, a fear that Nico doesn't actually like him and will leave him. Aswell as a perpetuation of the idea that if Thomas doesn't end it first then Nico will and that will hurt more. To put it into words most everyone has heard re-iterated time and time again in some story, or series, or media, Kill or be Killed or more accurately Hurt, or get Hurt. Resulting in ending up right back where we started sad, afraid, and alone.
Remus's role is messy, its scary, its uncomfortable but it IS important. He helps Thomas to realize some unsavory truths. In his own, very, very roundabout way. Remus and Janus are almost a weird antithesis to each other. Janus lies to Thomas, i.e Thomas lying to himself about how truthful he is, but he also gets Thomas to lie to others to protect him. Janus or your decit could represent when your mental health is in the gutter and a friend asks if your ok, your uncomfortable and afraid to talk about it, so your decit has you say "Im fine" to protect you, it doesn't want you to be distressed or to break down so it puts a sheild of false stableness up to keep you safe. While Remus can represent those horrible thoughts that you have when your mental health isn't doing well, the thoughts that you explain to you therapist that they proceed to decifer and use to unveil the truth of you issues, and once you have realized those, potentially ugly and uncomfortable truths, you can then work them out. Id go as far as to say Remus is one of if not the most important or prominent side when contributing to working out mental health. He shows you whats wrong so you can fix it. Remus is step number one to being in a good place mentally.
Can I just say, Thomas woke at 2:00pm, did other stuff for about 20mins, and coloured until 3:20pm.
He coloured for an hour, and I don’t know why, but that makes me so happy
It’s 2:30 when he has breakfast.
@@aniallater33 Yeah- I said *about* 20mins. It's just a relative estimate. But, thank you for the extra info anyway!
SAAAAAAAME
Logan snapping "Stop ignoring me!" Is really important because often people ignore logic or reason when faced with their intrusive thoughts. I should know, because I have them. Logan feels ignored not only because Thomas is having trouble with his intrusive thoughts, but is not getting anything productive done. Intrusive thoughts are very annoying to say the least.
Especially since he's been pushed to the side for the last few episodes
I agree entirely wit this comment, as someone who also deals with intrusive thoughts, ignoring logic and reason when facing them is something I do frequently
Thomas also ignored logan at the end.
Man I miss this fandom :']
Seconded! One of by biggest theories going off this is that Logan *is* the next dark side, and only shows that side of himself when he isn't being listened to. Or, at the very least, the next dark side is a direct counter to Logan. :)
LOGAN. VALIDATING. THOMAS’. FEELINGS. AND. ADJUSTING. CHARACTER. DEVELOPMENT.
THIS. IS. EXACTLY. WHAT. I. WAS. GOING. TO. COMMENT.
YES.
*Screams in Logan's arc*
YES!
BUT WHERE IS THE VALIDATION FOR LOGAN IN RETURN. HE VALIDATED EVERY ONE ELSE IN THIS EP AND WAS NOT VALIDATED IN RETURN 😭😭
Right after Remus said "And who do you really want to scream that at?" I got an ad for "Mr. Clean magic erasers!" I guess Remus's hatred for soap transcends even into the ads...
Lmao
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Haha!
logan: remember cognitive distortion?
me, nodding solemnly: hagendas dispersion
thomas: **just trying to enjoy his lil gay moment**
remus: *hey there bestie*
Thomas: So I'm going to do some chores around the house
Remus: ... And I took that personally.
Thomas: *is trying to be productive*
Remus: *haha no*
“I don’t care about the knife- BUT THE SOAP” 😂
edit: thank you for all of the likes 😳
I relate🤧
That one gets me every time I skip back just to watch it
@Nathan Stuart ???
The soap!!!!!
@@victoryismine2121 ignore him. Just a random troll
It kind of only just sank in that Logan and Remus fighting is literally Thomas's Logic trying to fend off his intrusive thoughts in a visual representation of the battle leaving him a wreck throughout the episode. In the end, Remus wins not bc his distractions worked but bc the random intrusive thoughts were a symptom of Thomas being unable to stop thinking about this issue with Nico, THAT was what was actually intruding on his ability to focus on the tasks, including the little fun tasks Logan sets to try and soothe the random episodes - the alarms (literal reminders of the pressuring schedule Logan set) go off and interrupt the nice and fun task (which he's supposed to do until the intrusive thoughts are soothed I.e. representing him paying attention to his mental health) which both breaks his calm focus on the colouring/puzzle/dancing and draws his attention back to his phone and the still unanswered message to Nico. It's all connected, one thing leading to the next and in the process Logan was distracted by the random intrusive thoughts, missing that it wasn't actually something like a screw in the oatmeal or a house intruder that he's focusing too much on, it's a totally separate issue that the alarms he told Thomas to set are constantly reminding him of! And judging by Remus saying (well, singing) "can't fix him all by yourself" he's aware of the true root of the issue and knows Logan isn't...was this his reason for being such a pain? Logan tried to say that he acknoedges that there must be some use for Remus existence at some point but right now Logan is doing something more relevant and important, but that common sense doesn't change the fact that last night was when Thomas sent that text so it's today he's freaking out over it - no amount of calming yourself down from random intrusive thoughts will change that Thomas has something to be concerned about (From his perspective). Logan is trying so hard but just isn't able to pick up on what's ACTUALLY going through Thomas head, or why he jumps at the chance to reassure himself that Nico wants to spend time with him, I think THATS what Remus can bring to the table - understanding the less reasonable parts of how Thomas's mind works!
HEY YEAH
When remus went into the corner with his lil dunce cap its literally the enbodiment of "Don't talk to me, i'm angy"
Narrator: Everything was in fact not fine.
god this made me laugh harder then it shouldve
Yes, everything is just...fine.
*Crunches apple ominously*
Not any Sander Side in the world:
Remus: -screaming in pain- "Oh~" -followed by more painful screaming-
IKR
I just noticed this! When Thomas said, "I'm sorry, and impressed by your reflexes." Logan just replies with "Coffee." That was so funny and it's true with me.
Yeah that response was great... But you know a bit confusing considering he didn't drink coffee, but actually threw it away for wine 🤔
I love think about how Thomas just sits reading long complicated comments about theory’s and such just laughing because he actually knows who is correct and who is wrong.
same
Nobody:
Not even Roman:
Not even a drop of Water:
Remus:
*ALLLLLL BYYYYY MYSELLLLLLLFFFFF*
@Vaxerious I love that one too 😂😂😂😂😂
Can we just appreciate Thomas’ singing as Remus
ALSO SOOOOOOOOOOOOAPP
@@jakman8515 I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE KNIFE BUT THE SOAP
S O A P
LOGAN DUMPING OUT HIS COFFEE AND POURING WINE INTO HIS CUP IS SUCH A MOOD
It really is
XDXD
True lmao
Logan being a wine mom confirmed
He really said "I need something stronger to deal with YOU today"
9:29 Logan giving the tiniest smile while trying not to laugh at Remus is EVERYTHING to me!!!! I love the subtlety of it!
The way Logan sinks down after looking all lonely in the end GENUINELY makes me so sad
Half expected the closet door to open and Thomas go: “AH. DECEIT.”
I feel like after Janus' last video there's no real reason for him to pull the strings from the shadows anymore
@@monikakavaliunaite8017 no now thats the orange sides job, just like reem is blurring with Virgil's old job.
@@DarkRelm22 Not sure what you mean with: blurring with Virgil's old job, do you mind explaining?
I like how Logan has slowly become more emotionally intelligent overtime. Real character development there!
yesss! exactly what I was thinking
It’s amazing I was like why he’s doing so good with caring about C!Thomas’s emotions
I am so proud of him!
Yess, and i'm SO proud of him for that! Its awesome to see this character growth!
True
When Logan said ‘Stop ignoring me’ then Nico called what went through my mind was “damn he manifested”
Y’know Remus has a main role when there’s several content warnings 😂
Logans character growth putting mental health before schedule is great
Yes, yes, yes!
Logan’s character arc has got to be one of my favorites
“I don’t care about the knife but the soap”-Remus 2021 XD
I played that part for my brother and he was in stitches. He's never really been into the Sanders Sides and is like whatever but he said he'd watch the whole video because of that one line.
Why would that be me though if I was stabbed in the eye?
I love how Remus could have so easily just done half of the things to freak Thomas out himself, but instead, he relies on the most convoluted 'Home alone' stunts
I think those weird things were a metaphor for the 'subconcious' 'thought process' behind intrusive thoughts that no-one is aware of that end up leading to the intrusive thought.
The fact we get to see Logan respond with “coffee.” Despite the fact we know he barely took a few sips of it before replacing it with wine made my day.
Janus eating the apple after saying "Everything is just fine." - THE SYMBOLISM - foreshadowing that we are going to learn more about the orange side soon!!! AHHHH
Plus the snake in the tree? It calls back to the whole adam and eve thing and it's so cool to see
@@Ashokas_Wheelhouse That's what I meant by the symbolism, the apple/tree of knowledge and all that, it is VERY damn cool, I love that stuff in Sanders Sides
Also more biblical meaning because Janus is in a tree eating an apple and he's constantly referred to as a snake boy. Nice touch Thomas
@@surrealrosalynd that's right the fruit of knowledge which was forbidden in Eden! I didn't think of that til you mentioned it, nice
Thats what he said? Wow
The photos of Thomas and his family changed to photos of himself when he was saying "because I'm alone".
THE DETAIL-
OMG thank you for pointing that out
Intrusive thoughts can magnify underlying problems in your daily life and Remus has now twice brought attention to the source of problems. First being Remus' introduction brought more adult humor and content in the series, now Remus is pointing out that having Nico in Thomas' life is distracting him from taking time to better himself as well as basic self care.
Which is why I think Patton doesn't like Nico. I can't remember which video but when they brought up Nico, Patton got really uncomfortable. Nico is giving Thomas more things to worry about, which means he's giving Remus more fuel.
What Remus said at 22:30 could mean:
1. Logan could off wanted to shout at the others as they always forgot he was there and make fun of him. This could mean this was the creation of Orange (I believe may be Rage, Revenge or Pain) or Awaking of him.
2. Logan wants to shout at Orange as maybe Orange is kinda like a voice in his head. This is a head cannon:Orange was a Light Side but he was annoying and he left to join the Dark sides.
Or, Remus might be implying that Logan specifically wants to yell at Thomas
The fact that Logan dumped his coffee for wine after he saw Remus’ list made me laugh so hard !!!
LOGAN NEEDS A RAISE, HE WAS HELPING THOMAS EVEN WITH HIS SCHEDULE AND THEN GETS LEFT AT THE END AND THEN ORANGE EYES AND THEN JANUS AND HOLY CRAP IM DYING
#GiveLoganARaise
Janus? when did he come in?
OMG THE ENDCARD
#GiveLoganARaise
@@lesbianfander2085 Is it just me but I can’t hear what Janus is saying- is that on purpose or are my headphones messing up?
"Logan.
I'm a grown man.
I would LOVE to colour."
Mood
14:10 Remus' random good "ooo" between being stabbed is just gold
Remus being allergic to soap while eating deodorant on the regular is pretty telling about his personality
It reminds me of someone who's lactose intolerant but eats ice cream all the time.
He enjoys the hives
Self destructive, the thing intrusive thoughts can do with ease
intrusive thoughts can be self destructive
@@inkdemon6065 that’s me bestie.
No-one:
Literally no-one:
Duke: *puts a wiener on a skateboard*
That was my favorite part
The glizzy be rollin
@@WeedzTyphoon "they see me rolling, they hating"
His pouty little stomp when it didn't work 😂
among all the comments theorizing about the orange eyes and such, is one light in the dark. wiener in a skateboard.
Logan: You know they aren't sentient
Thomas: [Still grabs Keyblade]
As someone who *LOVES* cleaning, I really just want to drive over there and clean everything
FR 😭 I SAW THE HOUSE. AND LITERALLY DIED💀
Hey if it makes you feel any better they specifically messed up the apartment for the video and cleaned it right after. :)!
Seeing that room made me cry a bit on the inside
Are we not gonna talk about how much Remus messed with Virgil to get under Logan’s skin. He was making Thomas hella anxious the entire time.
I loved how we could still see Virgil at work even if we couldn’t see him physically. Such good attention to detail. And yeah Frl Remus was really just poking Virgil this whole video
It is like Remus knows he has no real effect on Logan himself, but his weakness is his love for Thomas and his friends.
I noticed that myself
I was like
Where the hell is Virgil
The entire time…I knew he was there but I wanted to see him
@@alpacamari1874 omg SAME!!!
If Remus ever sinks away the camera should just pan down and he’s just sitting on the floor
one day maybe
That'd be so funny-
Hopefully soon cause that’s hysterical
@@remussanders648 one day Remus, one day...
or doing something unspeakably rude lol as usual
Love that Logan mentioned Apollo. Most people only think of the sun when he's mentioned but in this context it means a different sphere of his control. He was very orderly. Logan mentioning a god known for his order and productivity in an episode where he(Logan) is promoting just that is such an amazing detail
Anyone else catch the pun when Thomas was afraid something was in his food. There was an imaginary screw that Remus put in the oatmeal, then a few moments later Thomas proceeds to say that he would be screwed if he choked.
Oh. My. Remus killed braincells and Janus gifted lawyer obsession. You are a GENIUS.
@@whenitgrowsbright 🤣
Logan's back must hurt from carrying the entire show
logan has always been my favourite 🥰
I mean, without Logan there wouldn't be a organized-enough-to-make-an-episode Thomas.
Ikr???!
@@kdiebeucijdwhwu Yes.
This is why my favorite is Logan and Virgil, they're mysterious yet comforting
Can we appreciate how everything that Remus does is a perfect representation on how intrusive thoughts snowball when you leave them unattended and how one intrusive thought creates a domino effect of intrusive thoughts.
I didn't even notice that!! Thank you kind stranger for assisting me in appreciating this artistic masterpiece to it's full glory!!
Yes exactly!!
I expected the other sides to appear... like, Virgil when the door was open (like, THAT was quite a panic attack) or Patton when Thomas was so low and sad about being alone. Or Roman when "Disney princess puzzle", heh. Logan handeled it all very well alone... as always. He's the best 😔. Oh, and... do we know when will the next chapter come out?? I'm sooo intrigued.
Lil fun fact: I came here to try to distract myself bc someone is not answering my messages (one of my uhhh three friends) and istead i ended almost crying bc I feel same as Logan. Yay...
Okay but Janus. Deceit. A snake. In a tree. Biting into an apple. SAYING "everything is just... fine." I CAN'T IT'S SUCH A GOOD SHOT AHHHHHHHH
Also, Remus said "Speaking of honesty, recently a snake offered me a morsel from the tree of knowledge" in his intro song with Janus's silhouette- this whole thing is a really cool theme, Janus is my favourite character for so many reasons :)
@@alisond929 Wait how did I not notice that- that's actually such a cool detail! Thanks for noting :)
My theory as to why everything isn't actually fine: Thomas feels like he has to force the relationship with Nico despite not knowing him that well and maybe not having a ton of feelings (hence Roman pushing for things to happen in the relationship while none of the other sides seem to know anything about Nico at all). No idea what the orange side will be though or how that'll tie in.
@@alisond929 I'd definitely agree on Orange being wrath/rage/anger of some sort! The way Logan's eyes flashed orange though makes me think that maybe Orange is possesses the other sides in some way? Or maybe he gets channelled through them somehow, like some sort of spirit? Could be interesting, just a thought
Are we not gonna mention Logan saying “just gonna shift this degree a couple degrees”
Pun!
@@sp4c1ng_0ut8 ...It wasn't intentional, and please don't tell Patton.
@@logansanders9307 :3c
I will
@@logansanders9307 Patton has taught you well.
Logan. I'm telling.
Therapist: old man thomas isn’t real, he can’t hurt you…..
old man thomas:
this will age well in 60+ years. take and save a screenshot.
16:13
"Looks like someone is getting fired up!"
Foreshadowing.
He acts these characters so well and has developed them to such a T that I sometimes forget he's acting them all himself. I know it sounds dumb but I see them and think "Thomas is talking to Logan" not "Thomas is 'talking' to himself playing the character Logan".
TL;DR: Great acting, amazing characters, love the audio work and the cinematography!
Edit: I love how elabourite Remus' schemes are, really ties in how a tangent of thoughts can spiral into intrusive ones (speaking from experiance at least, idk about others)
Janus and Remus being the only people remotely aware of how much everyone is ignoring Logan is kind of sad. But it does make sense that they wouldn't point it out, as it will probably allow another Darkside to show up.
I hope at some point we do away with the concept of “Light and Dark” sides because even “wrath” if that is the orange side has a good purpose in people’s lives. Anger in healthy amounts allows one to stand up for themself or give motivation for something. Same if the orange is instead Pride, we need to be prideful of ourselves but too much pride can lead to huge egos and thus quick to rage.
I feel like they’re the ones who notice because they know what it feels like being ignored
@@RikudoMadaraUchiha yeah, the series has continuously showed us that even the "light/good" sides of us can hurt us if allowed to take complete control and overshadow every other side. There's a need for balance and cooperation between all of the sides so that one can lead a healthy life. I think the dark sides are called that because we usually think of exhibiting that kind of behaviour as bad, whereas the Light sides are the ones whose existence we tend to encourage and think of as nothing but good. Lying, living in fear and letting intrusive thoughts take up your mind are seen as something bad and Ambition and Creativity, Empathy and Logic are seen as something great that can keep the former three in check, but the truth is Caution, and whatever Janus and Remus embody (wit and cynicism? nihilism? destructive creativity?) are just as necessary to keep the others from becoming too much.
@@angelic252 Janus can also be seen as governing outer presentation in society and self-preservation, so that's his positive purpose. Remus I'm less sure of, but maybe dark creativity? Or maybe self-awareness, given that he tends to bring darker thoughts to light.
I feel like the main colors of each side are gonna complete a rainbow, with the "dark" sides being the opposites to the "light" sides in the color wheel, because remus was the mirror version of roman, and also the complementary color for roman's red, which might indicate that Janus or deceit is somehow a mirror version of anxiety, going off their colors (maybe even virgil was the "dark" side of janus in the first place, but idk) meaning the new orange side that might be coming is a warped or mirror version of Patton and Logan (the color wheel would give both blues an orange hue as complementaries) with something about them being about a "bad" type of logic.
-edit: i think virgil and deceit being "opposites" makes sense, as maybe Thomas might view anxiety as some sort of "self-deceit" into thinking something is scary or... Well... Anxiety deserving, than it should be. (Also sorry for bad English, it isn't my first language)
Remus is like if a looney tunes villain wasn’t pg
that.. that is the best description I've heard as of yet, you are a true genius, I am off to draw this.
Wile E coyote but as a human
I HAVE A THEORY!!!
I think the orange side might not be a new side at all! I mean, itd be freaking cool if it was, but I think it could just be Logan finally cracking under everything and lashing out, like how Patton turned into a giant frog when things got too intense in Selfishness VS Selflessness Redux!
Break, my dude. Break Logic
Imagine Orange and Logan being Jekyll and Hyde type of situation its 1 body with 2 characters
well...yeah but then, why would they show an orange profile in the putting others first thumbnail
@@Fynchfire he can still be his own side and own design but canonically hes just like Remus and Roman before the split ya get me?
@@jakoblent4694 Yeah true or, what if he could become the orange side if he gets angry enough?
Logan saying "Shake what ya mama gave you" had me wheezing on the floor
Someone on Tumblr pointed out that if you look at Thomas’s phone, the date says *April 20.* That means chronologically, this happened only _a week_ after "Putting Others First". No wonder tensions seem so high between the Sides, especially in the end card. Everything that happened is still very fresh in their minds.
Not to mention it’s 420
@@cmd0317 the only thing that matters
That's so clever, holy heck they put a lot of detail into these episodes-
How come Virgil seemed touchy with Patton, tho? Virgil had no participation in that episode. Maybe he was told about it later, and he’s taking a side?
Ngl, if he is, and it’s seemingly against Patton, then it would have to be Roman’s side, which could also explain why they seemed to be getting along in Flirt or Flight.
Which would be adorable, cause like, PRINXIETYYYYYY
@@winterling223 I think it's more because he's still sort of mad about Patton treating him like he's younger than the rest, but I also can't imagine he wasn't aware of what happened in POF since everyone else (meaning Remus) seems to be?
Logan: who’s updog
Remus: that’s not the line
That line was amazing-
Just love how Remus also had this planned out here was excited about it and then was just like: :0 that wasn't the line- my beautiful mischievous plan!
So close yet so far
No, this isn't how you're supposed to play the game.
Video: Content Warning
Me: Ah, Remus is back.
I'm sorry but remus's little walk at 11:25 has me dying 🤣
SAME
Uh oh, I smell some Logan character development with that “stop ignoring me” clip. I’m absolutely here for this.
what I smell is Orange Side reveal o.o
Just imagine all the theories. It'll be great.
What i smell is now that Virgil is now a good side…… a good side (Logan) has to turn to the Dark sides.. ????
@@tonialexis125 Possibly.
@@acetraineraster5171 also did we get a possible orange side name reveal? During the end card, Logan mentioned Apollo. It could have just been the Greek god of the sun, but Logan wouldn't be one to call upon aso called "god," especially when it's not one that Thomas would believe in. Idk, I just chose to spitball here, get my idea out.
@ me realizing that Logan is showing Thomas the *other sides* coping mechanisms…
Roman colors, Patton does puzzles, and Virgil listens to music.
I... didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing it out
Funny thing is...
I just noticed that the first color Thomas took is a RED one!
The puzzle thing could actually be a call back to the Q&A video though because Logan's answer to a question like "how do you like to relax after a hard day?" is puzzling. But liking puzzles fits both Logan and Patton's personalities. So you could be correct.
OMG
Yeah, and the color he chose was red, the puzzle he did was Disney, and the color that appeared with the music was purple!!
I can only imagine how many dominos and home alone style traps Remus must have in his room
Thomas - having several consecutive breakdowns
Logan - immensely stressed
Remus - playing
Remus made a huge mistake showing Logan the list because he was
just giving away what he was gonna do. That is how Logan was able
to stop the things happening.
didn't notice
That is true but with Remus' unpredictability it could have all been a trick even doe he isn't much of a liar so he could have if he would have done it more elegantly caught Logan in a paradox of did he say the truth or not but luckily Logan is too smart for that
Oml I didn’t even realize that. Such a wonderful detail!!!
I thought the list was supposed to be Thomas' to-do list made by Remus? Cause he said Thomas was "double booked," meaning Re already had a schedule for Thomas. Why would Thomas' schedule be to make those traps?
@@yufaelia It was just a theory and I was saying it could like say something like (Thomas gets stabbed) Just a theory
The fact that Logan doesn't push him to just get on with stuff and looks out for Thomas' wellbeing and understands he's not doing well. That's huge growth from s1. Logan
Yup
He’s logic. He’s learning from the experiences
@@winterling223 That's fair
Yeah...!
100%
23:18 I wonder if Thomas's house when dirty is how Remus's room is like?
Logan immediately tossing out his coffee and pouring a cup of wine is hilarious
“You’re the least favorite side and you know it.”
“Logan, can you stop?”
“Not that any of you care, but I am unharmed.”
This has been happening for a while. Logan :(
I know he’s been so mistreated but I never though he would turn out to be the orange side wrath!!
Patton even took the chance to skip Logan’s text in Svs redux. Just passed him by like he wasn’t valid. I feel awful for Logan like really he’s so taken for granted
@@tyjaelittle36 I don't think he is the orange side i think he's being affected by the orange side
@@echomoon4693 I think Thomas mentioned in a stream that it wasn’t on purpose
;_;
Remus and Logan are like the kind of roommates who hate each other but can’t leave because they have a lease
No they can't leave because they know they improve each other
@Nathan Stuart get out of here, bridget.
@Nathan Stuart who ask?
Lol the arguments they would have
“I TOLD YOU TO PAY THE BILL”
“ *I NEEDED TO BUY MORE DEODORANT* “
“ BIILS FIRST THEN FOOD YOU HETHEN ”
This literally made my day🤣
Logan is honestly one of my favorite sides, he’s like the strict friend but he just wants to help you the best he can^^
Love how unnecessarily complex Remus is.
Unnecessarily??
Okay theory.
Remus wasn’t trying to get to Thomas. He was trying to get to Logan, through Thomas. He forced Logan to confront him, and pushed until those eyes came out
As an addition, Remus is right. Logan wants to scream at Thomas. He’s so used to being ignored as Thomas either sides with Patton and Roman for fun, or Virgil to deal with his feelings. Logan is ignored.
And we see Logan in that moment parallel Thomas. He reverted to normal as soon as Thomas realised he wasn’t being ignored. Even more so when that ignoring had a logical explanation. It might be that he’s far more connected to Thomas’ emotions than the others.
Is that Remus’s purpose, do you think? To bring to light the things you try to ignore/repress?
I didn't think of it that way... yea maybe Remus wasn't trying to get to thomas but instead he was trying to get the dark side version of Logan to come out
YES!
He's all about repressed thoughts. So it makes sense the personas have their own repressed thoughts
Oh my god that makes total sense
Logan’s speech about not being flashy and not being able to get through to someone was very well written. Logic gets often ignored in favor of more impulsive anxieties and fits of human passion. But we all need a little logic to keep us balanced
Otherwise, worse case senario, you become Chris-Chan...
You know it’s gonna be a good episode when there is a content warning
Seriously djdndjdjdns
The way Thomas says "listen to me" and Logan says "stop ignoring me"
👌top tier
The line “but who do really want to scream that at?” Has got me worried and now I’m theorizing.
Same. I'm wondering who he wants to actually say that to..
I didn't really understand that line..
@@Sam-hj7qs i think he was referring to thomas and how hes ignoring him. as well as the other sides
@@ravena1441 my theory is Thomas and like the other sides since they've been ignoring him 👀
He meant Thomas. Logan wants to yell "Stop ignoring me!" at Thomas. By the way he lives, it's clear that Thomas character is a very chaotic and whimsical person who really isn't strong on his logical side, so Logan is undervalued and underutilized.
“ah look the closet is BEGGING you to be organised. you see it’s a humorous remark because closets aren’t sentient.”
yeah logan. it was funny don’t worry. /srs
Yeah we’re not gonna forget how cool you are don’t worry😎
I loved that 🤣
I love that Thomas shows not all intrusive thoughts are about hurting yourself or others they can sometimes be very bad paranoia
This video was really helpful for me in coming to terms with my paranoia and intrusive thoughts. I worry about people hiding my dorm room when I'm out at night, but the coping mechanisms shown and just knowing I'm not alone makes it a little easier to live with. Thank you for putting content like this out there!