Deep Dive On India's Nuclear Submarines | In Our Defence Podcast, S02, Ep 22
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- In this episode, host Dev Goswami and defence expert Shiv Aroor delve into India's nuclear submarine program, discussing its limited fleet despite a vast coastline of 6700 km. Why does a country with such a significant maritime border suffer from "sea blindness"? The Indian Navy, the smallest among the three-armed forces, seems disproportionally under-equipped given the strategic importance of its maritime domain. So, what factors contributed to this stagnation?
India currently boasts only two nuclear submarines, INS Arihant and INS Arighat. But what sets nuclear submarines apart from their conventional and diesel-electric counterparts?
Consider this a masterclass on the SSBNs (nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines) and SSNs (nuclear-powered attack submarines).In February 2015, the Indian government approved the indigenous construction of six SSNs at the Ship Building Center in Visakhapatnam. But we have yet to hear much about these projects since then. The absence of a nuclear-powered attack submarine in India's fleet has significant strategic implications. Why hasn't India yet commissioned one despite the urgency?
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Timestamps:
00:00-02:27-Shiv’s 'Mediocre Food' Class
02:27-6:46-DRDO tests missile-assisted torpedo delivery system
6:46-16:04-India’s submarine fleet is extremely small, why?
16:04-27:01-What makes a nuclear submarine so stealthy?
27:01- 38:22-India's Nuclear Triad Progress
38:22- 47:28-India’s missing SSNs
47:28-55:27-Navy Projects & Leadership Struggles
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It's my first time coming across this podcast and I must say it's very informative .
US also has a 900 Billion dollar defense budget against India's 72 Billion $ , but I fully agree with the sentiment that Shiv is expressing
Excuses. Do you know when the same US had GDP of 3 trillion they built 40 Nuclear Submarines in 7 years in 1960s . That's how Nations who have self respect act in a manner not like Cowardice slave India . Be ready to be Chinese Ghulam again . If Indian military really loved their motherland they would have taken over the political theatre and made the country extremely militarized and powerful nation. India is a country which has Cowardice population, absolutely useless politician, garbage bureaucrats and a shameless corrupt military.
yes economic growth is extremely important.
Excellent as always. Aircraft cariers are thought of as 'status symbols' and we all know as Indians our love for them.
One would have thought that after the INS Vikrant and pakistani submarine Ghazi situation Navy would hv learn its lessons but seems like we are no yet there.
Scorpene stoppage after 6th is criminal, constriction should not have stopped and a further 12 could have been built
yeah .. did yoy pay your taxes???
@@manisherande4568 much more then you can imagine
@manojgoel3910 yeah...how much df
@@manojgoel3910 how much??/.
8 SSKs equipped with AIPs would be pain in ass for navy.. further fueled by the fact that we have only 6 SSKs of modern era
A third aircraft carrier and more submarines are both absolute non-negotiables.
Nuclear submarine Aisa hi hai jai se jis Nadi main mager maach rehte hai waha log Jane se derte hai.
Shiv and Dev very good program about Navel Sub.marin.thanksC
I love this series
Enjoyed this edition a lot❤ ..... Please also discuss in detail about frigates and Destroyers also
Excellent explanation, we have lots of problem in self development of technically complicated machines , not able to copy it also...
Amazing show , so well put together. Can you do a show on signal intelligence and I have always wondered how the war room signal s work .. for example when we deploy our assets in a war zone .. how are they tracked ..
SSBN can be used in conventional battles with regular missiles, not nuclear missiles.
Excellent presentation and sharing of deep rooted information about SSNN and SSN.
I am a big FAN of Shiv Aroor and never missed his program at 10 Pm. Recently I came across this podcast and since been glued to all his program. Keep it up. 🫡
Shiv please next episode on special forces..Also throw some light on Fujian and where r we on IAC2
Under powered IAC 2 with only 1 squadron will ready 2050.. given our pace and. Monies eat by army and babus....
Firstly we need 10 to 12 dedicated submarine bases with outfitting, repair and arming facilities, also need shadow (tunnel) bases. Jai Hind.
This is in connection with an earlier podcast. Shiv, You mentioned in your podcast on ballistic missiles that we have thousands of them and the capability to manufacture more of them in large numbers of high quality with 99.9% strike rate accuracy etc.
Well I just came across a thought process in the CSIS on National security that they would prefer acquisition of long range missiles SM 6, SM 3, as the set up is complex and expensive to build.
Allies are preferred for such acquisition. Is there something to explore in this area?
Although nuclear weapons are usually associated with SSBNs (US, RU, CN, FR and UK); IL is suspected of being able launch them from their AIP-powered Dakar class, through purpose-built horizontal tubes. North Korea is adopting the formula the USSR used in its first models, fit up to three using the conning tower, as the missile is larger than the hull, propulsion is also diesel.
Small quibble with the notion that India has been Sea blind. The north of India is land locked, boxed in by the Vindhyas in the south. So, North Indians are Sea blind. South India has had a robust naval presence for a long time with maritime conquests in other land masses. Since independence, when India became one country, the center has had people from the North who have (justifiably) been wary of land invasions. Also adding to the equation, the British recruited Indians to an Army because they did not have their own in the subcontinent but were content to run their navy themselves. Now, as the southern states flex their economic muscle, the Navy will get a lot more attention.
How did Shiv forget SSGNs?
I would say because they only exist in the US Navy, and are an afterthought of reconverting an SSBN that has been replaced by a newer class, and using them as a conventional missile transport truck. So, its like a boomer but with less bang; usually housing 4 conventional missiles (eg Tomahaws) in each ballistic tube. This is a concept also being explored in air power too.
Discuss on why we need to go for mrfa when we can make an air force version of tedbf.
Instead of investing on subs....India should invest on UAV carriers....and UAV subs
Please also do another podcast on India's Main battle tank story or DRDO's AWACS/radar success.?
@ShivAroor and @DevGoswami, for a country with a long coastline along the Indian peninsula as well as quite a few outlying islands including A&N, we seem to be lacking and definitely not talking about creating a serious tri-service 'Marine Expeditionary Force' capability with serious troop transportation, amphibious assault, landing and sustaining capabilities as part of the Peninsular theater. We will need this capability to protect the main coastline as well as the far flung islands. The A&N tri-service command seems to have some limited capabilities in that regard, but it will need backup and relief from a MEF from mainland, if it comes under pressure in any serious way as it is separated from the mainland logistically. Even compared to some south east asian nations, we seem to be lacking good well protected LSTs, LCUs and Amph Assault Vehicles, in numbers that match our coastline requirements, just as an example. Can you guys talk about that?
He is talking about Navy and he forgot the name of the new navy chief. Ridiculous.
It's very important for our strategic military might needs stronger bigger smarter Navy for our vast ocean with coastline from suyez canal to Malacca...its necessity for us ..then we needs indian Ocean to india Pacific for countable observable...
Shiv is not entirely correct. SSN can also carry nuclear weapon. For example us navy SSN submarine carry tomahawk cruise missile which can carry nuclear warhead.
Hello guys hey great show I am from Detroit Michigan USA but I saw your program and it's really interesting I can't turn it off but I just wanted to find out if your buddy there or your interview guy was a captain or an officer or chief petty officer or something I didn't hear that part.
India should have 12 nuclear submarines, 4 Slbm and 8 Ssn and 30 diesel submarines for complete protective authority over entire indian ocean but the speed the work is going it looks like it will take till 2040 atleast for the numbers to reach.
Our Coastline is 13K kms+.Don't forget the island territories.
only 27 year delay in p75i and v r yet to sign the deal.. MOD should b given bharat ratna for this outstanding achievement.
Will they remember to close the hatch before they dive? Brown water navy only
Podcast request :
A detailed episode on PM Modi's spontaneous visit to Pakistan.
*The rationale behind the visit
*Security challenges
*Havings balls to land in Pakistan😅
*Assuming it was Pm`s firat term , was it naive of him to do something like this
* The action plan if anything went wrong
And any other pointers you can think of.
Not much in extreme detail is supposedly available on the internet about this .
Question : China and India Naval engagement. India is unlikely to go to the south China Sea to engage with the Chinese Navy.
About the Indian Ocean region, and engaging with China in our neighborhood. What are the real chances.
Should China's submarine count matter to us? Why?
Can you make an episode on India's lack of urgency regarding electronic warfare and surveillance capabilities? We have very few number of AWACS, whereas even Pakistan outnumbers us in this regard. With only 30 squadrons of fighter aircraft, more AWACS are desperately needed to see deep inside enemy territory and direct our limited air assets wherever needed. We need to remember how UK won the battle of Britain despite having a limited number of Spitfires and Hurricanes against formidable numbers of Luftwaffe assets. All because they had a good radar system that detected incoming German aircraft and were able to vector fighters accordingly.
Netra mk1 will be ordered
Why not make annelid on the aircraft manufacturing capabilities of india both civial and military and can we have atleast an assembly line in india of Boeing or Airbus
India is to develop nuclear operated submarines so as to maintain its strength in sea.
S4 is supposedly Aridhaman
next episode??
Isn't India getting French subs after France lost contract to Oz ? Also the stealthiest diseal sub is a Swedish origin & only Japan has the license to produce that type of engine , hopefully we either get it as well or develop our own. Agree in the point that we need many more naval vessels to be produced.
As per the host the huge maritime border of India appeared just after 2014 out of no where.
India has 15 subs with only 2 power vs china 70 subs with 10 nuclear subs😂
IND should have 30 minimum
10 ssbn
10 ssn
10 diesel electric.
Jai Hind.
Then they also have SSGNs.
where is In Our Defence Podcast, S02, Ep 22?
Why is there, what seems to be a commercial, a discussion on anti israel protests?
Even when it comes to power projection the Indian navy's aircraft carriers are a joke. They are not big enough to pose a threat to Pakistan, the country which we usually have to fight a war against.
The navy actually hid the original vikrant in the Andaman islands during the 71 war because they were terrified that the Pakistani submarine which was hunting for it would find it and sink it, and that would be a humiliation for the navy as well as the country. And it was only after the Pakistani submarine was sunk did they remove the vikrant from it's hiding and use it's aircraft to bomb chittagong, which was totally unnecessary because the IAF had already achieved total air superiority over the E Pakistan airspace. And even today the Indian navy dare not use a aircraft carrier against Pakistan, because unless the IAF provides it with air cover the paf will attack that juicy target and sink it.
So who else is the navy going to " project power " against? Sri Lanka. Maldives or Bangladesh?
We are not the USA. Even the UK realized that they have committed a great blunder by ordering and building 2 aircraft carrier's, because they cannot afford them, but our navy insists on more aircraft carrier's and is not interested in submarines, especially SSNs because according to them they are not as sexy and glamorous as a aircraft carrier.
aircraft carrier and submarine saath mai nahi ho sakta to kyu nahi hum heli carrier bnate.. ..vo hamari najdiki area ko cover kar sakta hai
95% of India's imports and exports is via sea. Therefore India's naval strength is vital for India's defence and trade security. The Indian government's policy of ignoring its nave and in particular its submarine and naval aviation is incompetence and babuism to unbelievable degree.
Pakistan has AIP since 90's agosta B
It looks like glorifying not a shameful situation 😂😂
shiv is always good with his english but his answers lack depth & his response is always same 'lackadaisical approach'.. bhai AF k jets ka pucho tab bhi ye hi... Navy ka pucho tab bhi ye hi.. army ka pucho fir same..
by deisgn SSKs are more stealthy under the water than SSNs as SSKs don't have dynamic part other than electric motor & propeller which is powered by batteries.. whereas in SSNs your nuclear reaction which power turbine to generate electricity or mechanical power has certain amount of sound signals.. but SSNs advantage is at certain depth it can cross ocean without noticed by patrol aircrafts.. which SSK can't as it had to snorkel to run diesel engine..
we didn't got 9 of SSKs from P75 because it was believed that DRDO's AIP would be ready when L&T would be fabricating 4th Kalvari class & additional 3 or 6 would ordered later..
9 SSKs of P75I didn't happen because the amount of TOT (Know how this time not just fabrication that happened in case of P75) wasn't agreed by foreign vendors & also navy wanted Submarine which has operational AIP, Navy could figure out the operational logs of those & the real capability of AIP which is usually less then advertised.. also it's navy also to be blamed as they wanted AIP design only for this.. but in reality Japanese & korean sub with lithium battery are almost on par with AIP equipped sub of that era..
now most frightening condition of navy would be in 5 years when paki will have latest 8 SSKs from china equipped with AIP doing patrols in eastern as well as western boards & chinese SSNs lurking in middle & southern IOR.. ideally we should have dealt with french for SSNs to get atleast 12 of those but this government is more on making announcement & actually dealing with irregularities of lost decade of UPA toward our militaries laggards
Ref. war-footing acquisition of 36 Rafale;
Bharat existing fab. capacity is capable of pumping out subs. - yards silent.
GoI has the money and political will to buy some of the latest bling-blings now, if they wanted to - not done.
Could it be because they're in no particular hurry ?
'V' coasts of Bharat is under layers of protection already, hence GoI approach to subs like a woman buying saree !?😊
The knowledge was too much fragmented too much and the author redefines, updates it so much with his personal comments.... that the podcast becomes 😴.
👍👍👍🫡
India can not perform a strong offensive role without a massive help from our navy. 21st century wars around India will be fought in water. Reason chinese are investing so much in Indian ocean, gulf of oman, gulf of aden, bay of bengal and south china sea.
Navy brass has become a joke 😂 Pakistani are getting Chinese subs and these chaps are just planning . SSBNs but nothing to defend them 😢
75i exists because of AIP technology and French are bad at it.
I agree with Shiv,, khandvi is super pathetic
Whats that random woke video inbetween. This is the second time i am seeing in this podcast series
Nice work on the podcast ! Thanks
You forgot to mention the UK Nuclear deterrence seems to be a joke at the moment…Didn’t their last 2 tests of their missile fail?
SSNs are deadly Ninjas operating in utter secrecy. SSBNs are our Battle elephants, once they charge no one survives. That is a better explanation.
Excellent as always. Aircraft cariers are thought of as 'status symbols' and we all know as Indians our love for them.
One would have thought that after the INS Vikrant and pakistani submarine Ghazi situation Navy would hv learn its lessons but seems like we are no yet there.
Amazing show , so well put together. Can you do a show on signal intelligence and I have always wondered how the war room signal s work .. for example when we deploy our assets in a war zone .. how are they tracked ..