Oscar Robertson explains who might have been better than him
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I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Robertson when I was about 9 or 10. I was shooting baskets at a resort in Georgia a skinny white kid shooting hoops by himself and he just walked up and started shooting with me. I had no idea who he was but my Dad did. He watched from the porch of the cabin we were staying at. Only after Mr. Robertson was gone did my Dad tell me who he was. My experience with him was awesome. He was a class individual.
True Hoosiers! The Big O Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird! Two of the best basketball players ever! Top 10 both of them. PERIOD. Enough said.
Saw Oscar play many times at MSG. It was like he was playing with children. His game was so advanced.
I think The Big O was one of the greatest players whoever graced the court. He had such a great all around game it was staggering.
I was a Wilt fan but must admit The Big O was my favorite to watch because he could do it all and make it seem so effortless, scoring, passing or rebounding. Not an ounce of showboat in him while being by far, the most complete player in the NBA at that time and certainly a strong argument for GOAT.
I so admire the intelligence and depth of insight of Mr Webber as well as the class, integrity and intelligence displayed by mr. Robinson
It’s Robertson
The Big O could have been an NFL linebacker. I was just a kid watching him on a small grainy black and white tv but he looked stronger than any opposing guard trying to stop him.
He did it all. Score,rebound, pass, shoot and defend... Just didnt have the players around him until he played with Kareem...5 TOOL PLAYER.
6 tool, he was also a great ball handler.
Well said .
@@johnkomosa9508 I TOTALLY AGREE SIR!!
Oscar is a prince of a man. I also had the pleasure of meeting him in a Cincinnati cigar shop in 2016. He joined my date and I for over two hours of wonderful conversation and was genuinely interested in us, very engaging and kind. I think he appreciated that I knew quite a bit about his high school days playing for Indianapolis Crispus Attucks High School and winning the state championship in 1955. I have a cherished picture of Oscar with us that day. I wish I had the presence of mind to ask whether he might have gone to the ballpark and seen Henry Aaron play for the Indianapolis Clowns in 1952?
Oscar and Baylor were the greatest all around players in the league during their era. No else was even close. Saw them both live many times. Used to drive down to Cincinnati from Detroit to see Baylor and West play against Oscar and Lucas. Unforgettable memories!
I would say Wilt and then those two.
Jerry West.
@@krisharkleroad8Great also but Wilt was the man
The Big O was probably the best basketball player of his era. Actually, IMHO, he would be just as great in todays game. It was amazing watching him play and he made it seem so effortless.
Gus Johnson was listed at 6'4, but that was wearing 3 pairs of socks. He was a jumping jack who played forward. Oscar was a very proud person who was in the spotlight during the most heated times of the civil rights movement.
I don't think West and Big O can be compared, West Mr. Clutch, Oscar Mr. Triple double
I never really understood how you could be 1-8 in the finals and be called Mr. Clutch. He should be called Mr. Not Clutch.
Those are my two (sorry Mike &magic)greatest guards ever. Period. 🏀🏀
West quicker, better defender, better range on his shot.
Oscar Robinson was a special talent, floor general, especially when he played for the BUCKS. His patented open hand one handed shot was as smooth as butter. Great passer and rebounder with true fundamentals. He was one tough individual, feared no one.
It’s sad to see how cut throat reporters and team business are. glad Oscar handled it
The two best NBA guards during the '60s and early '70s were Oscar Robertson and Jerry West. I thought Oscar was the better of the two in the first half of their careers, although both were great, and Jerry was better on the back half. In any case, they are both two of the greatest basketball players of all-time. 💯
Love that Robertson seems to be getting his due, but to his point, Elgin Baylor is also massively underrated. One of the all-time greats and he was basically Jordan before Jordan. He needs to get his renaissance.
Baylor is probably a bit underrated, but "basically Jordan before Jordan" is a bit of a stretch. He was never considered to be the best player in the league at any one point in his career. No MVP's and no titles unfortunately limit his ceiling on my all-time great lists (although he had a strong case for MVP in the 1963 season). Despite a few monster games in the playoffs, he didn't have Jordan's (or even West's) knack for coming through in the clutch. He was a great all-around player, though. ESPN ranked Scottie Pippen, Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett over Baylor in 2020, which was a bit ridiculous. But they corrected that, somewhat, a year later, when they ranked the 75th Anniversary team and put Baylor back ahead of Pippen and Garnett, but not Nowitzki. Baylor is a top-20 player, but I think his accomplishments aren't quite enough to get him into the top 15.
@@cmsmhp Baylor transformed the game. His athleticism wasn't seen before he came along. Him and Bob Petit are hugely underrated. Ta hell with rings as some metric. Players stayed with one team- good or bad, for their entire careers. It takes good coaching and a good GM/ front office to be a consistently good team. Russell had that in spades. OR played on mediocre teams. Rings are won by TEAMS, not individual players.
@@lance6112 I'll certainly give you that Baylor moved things forward by making the game more aesthetically pleasing with his athleticism. But most of the very greatest players brought some transformative element to the game as well. IMO, to be near the very top, you have to be both transformative and tremendously accomplished. But I agree that Bob Pettit is underrated too...too much recency bias in many of the latest rankings by the "experts." Yes, Russell did have the fortune of joining an already pretty good team. But Baylor still missed on clear opportunities to beat the Celtics. I hate it for him, because he really deserved a title.
@@cmsmhp Another thing I recently came to see- we always talk about it players back in the day could compete at the highest level today. Ima flip the script. Listen to 50s & 60s players re how brutal going into the lane was..No such thing as an uncontested layup. It was a gauntlet every time. Petit said he lifted weights and went from 210 to 245 to be able to withstand the physical abuse in the lane. Could today's players compete with that eras toughness?
What about no 3 point shot? Players had to get closer for jumpers cuz shooting from way outside still only got you 2 points.
I've been a Bucks fan since I was in junior high school and Kareem was a rookie. I've always taken up for Oscar. He wasn't flashy, but he was extremely efficient and productive. Top ten easily, maybe top five.
Great interview. Oscar is great
Amen ! 😊
Great work ON the video great player very forgotten and its the NBA'S FAULT.
Oscar was an amazing all round player.
One of the great guards ever.
Like I said, Baylor might just be the GOAT.
Well, where is the evidence for that? No MVP's, no championships, and no particular clutch moments in big games that anyone can point to. Yes, he had the misfortune of playing in the league with a lot of great players, but there was no point in his career where he would have been considered the best player in the league - he was overshadowed by either Wilt, Robertson or Russell. He had some huge individual games (even 61 in the Finals), but he was also a main reason that the Lakers missed multiple opportunities to beat the Celtics.
@@cmsmhp You're goofy. Baylor causef the Lakers to lose? That's kooky talk.
A healthy pre knee i jury Baylor was not to be believed offensively-Great rebounder as well-NOT a great defender for that matter , the big o never would have Mande an Al defensive team.there are only a handful of players with all the skills- bird, Jordan, walton, big O, Havlicek ,
@@lance6112 I didn't say Baylor was the sole reason the Lakers lost. But his performances in closeout games against the Celtics were not as good as most of his other games, and that did contribute to the Lakers failing to get over the hump.
@@cmsmhp That describes 11 teams in 13 years vs the Celtics. Baylor and his Lakers weren't alone in coming up short against Boston. lol js Wilt's 76ers, Petit's Hawks, etc etc
Has any1 seen Mr. ROBERTSON DUNK?
Oscar was great at his peak, Jerry West was fabulous, but if you wanted the best pound for pound player in the 1960s, realistically, Elgin Baylor was the best...he was full of creativity, he could score 40 points and not once play the same shot...
Wilt, who was the one anomaly in basketball (then and now) would have picked Elgin Baylor for his team without hesitation, but elgins knees went (he could still do the impossible) but he lost three feet of space, which is something you just cannot give at the professional level and hope to beat the best...
Wilt as an anomaly was the only player who had knee problems but still could play good enough to win a championship...
Hard to believe they are both gone, at their peak they were the two greatest individual basketball players of their era...
Russell had Baylor and Petit on his all time team.
I agree. I'd add Oscar to make him, with Wilt and Elgin, a triumvirate of GOATS.
With all due respect, if Wilt didn't say HE would have picked Elgin who are to say it? Realistically, whether it was Oscar or Elgin, Wilt would not be wrong...
@@lance6112
My alltime team:
Wilt
Russell
Jabbar
Oscar &
Magic
@@MMBeing Right.
He played during a time when the defense was allowed to hand cbeck , look it up
THE BIG O. .. UH, ONE OF THE GREATEST. IF HE HAD HOPS,, ARGUABLY BETTER THAN M.J. I PROBABLY GET SHOT DOWN FOR THAT..
Ask JW if he was way better than Robertson. He'd laugh you out of the room. 😂
I grew up wanting to be like JW. I was a Lakers fan through and through. Baylor and West a dynamic duo that "almost" beat Boston a few times. That being said when I saw the Big O i was always like 'why don't i see this guy more often?' JW Wilt Baylor were in big markets. Oscar wasn't. That was the reason. Now as far as West and Oscar push comes to shove Oscar was a better player in the sense, he controlled a game in a way not seen until Magic in the 80's. Oscar was a true floor general. He was under control. He saw the whole floor. He was methodical and could post up players in the post and he had a great medium jumper, and his precision passing was off the charts. He could rebound because he was 6'5' and for a guard then that was pretty big and mostly he positioned himself very well. Now West was a different style of player. They together in the Olympics were a perfect tandem. Jerry and his pull up jumper were a level above anyone's i have ever seen. He was a good rebounder when needed. He was a decent passer. But to me watching his whole career it was on defense that people forget. I have never seen a guy play the passing lanes as well as him. He had extremely long arms and was very quick. But yes, Oscar was a more complete player. But you couldn't go wrong with those guys. And both consummate professionals who had great respect for each other.
In his revealing autobiography, West, after always downplaying the riviarly, said he was better than O.
And Wilt said he's better than Russell, and Kareem said he's better than Wilt. These guys respect each other immensely; but they also have egos. js
@@lance6112 I saw Bill. I saw Wilt. I saw Kareem. And I saw Wilt.
Cool. I saw Wilt and co. at the Spectrum in Philly. Got caught sailing a pizza plate and brought court side til my Dad was called on the PA to retrieve me. I was standing right next to these giants. It was great! Lol
Gus "Honeycomb" Johnson......A great player. But I'll tell you this, NOBODY was better than the Big O! He is criminally overlooked as the GOAT. He, and Elgin Baylor, did remarkable stuff 30 years before MJ was even born. They didnt play against janitors, either. Huge problem with todays 40 and under people is that they have no respect for the people who came before them. Just because the players today are in the same generation they are doesn't mean they're all superior to guys from the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s...
Exactly! There were fewer than 10 teams in the NBA til the late 60s expansion. These GOATS played each other 10+ times a year.
No question the bottom 6 players would be outclassed by today's bench players; but the starters would compete today at the highest level..And like Rick Barry said: they didn't have huge teams of dirt, strength and conditioning coaches, etc etc. With those available to old time players, they'd also do just fine today.
,*diet, strength and conditioning coaches...
Plus modern fancy reconstructive surgery that didn't exist then.
@@lance6112
What also didn’t exist then were PF/SF or PG/SG
Yeah. Jerry West is way better than Oscar,? Sure he is. 🤣 The big O only averaged a triple double for an entire season! Mhm. The man sucked.
O was better. But let's face it how could you go wrong with either. JW loved Oscar's game and agreed. But fundamentally they were two DIFFERENT types of players. West was a primary shooting guard who slipped to the point as well. Oscar was a point guard extraordinaire. I just consider myself so fortunate to see those guys at their peaks. And they had the opportunity to play together in 1960 Olympics and win a gold. Yea push comes to shove Oscar was better. But there is a lot more to their two games to consider. A backcourt of those two on the same team i believe could have brought Boston down a notch. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
I'm responding to the clueless dude who claims JW was way better than Oscar. Preposterous!
@@lance6112 I hear ya.
When ranking players, is never fact. That said also when ranking players there is the difference of a players prime vs a players career success. Like Oscar had the better prime than Magic Johnson. I’d take a prime early 1960s Oscar over any Magic Johnson season. Yet Magic has the most career success because of the 5 rings. The media portrays Magic has the #1 PG of all time on every list. Even on some lists they put Steph Curry ahead of Oscar. The media counts winning and rings in a team sport to justify and anoint the individual. Which is wrong, but is what happens. In a school yard pick of every player in their prime Oscar would be my #1 guard. I would take him over Magic and Jordan. Over Jordan because point guard is a more vital position on the basketball floor than a shooting guard is. Oscar has the mismatch against his opposing PG on most nights because he’s bigger. Jordan is a volume shooter and doesn’t acclimate and dictate pace of the offense like O does. I’m taking Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Russell over BIG O in my school yard though. Great centers like those have the mismatch almost every night..
Magic, Michael and LeBron were all better than the big O, simply because they all took winning championships more seriously than Oscar.
GYFFS! Oscar played on shitty teams till he got to Milwaukee late in his career!
Laughable. Evidence? He played for mediocre teams with mediocre mgt And players didn't shift around the league every couple years forming superteams & chasing after gold rings.
To all you Oscar & Baylor haters: “teams win titles-numbers win the HOF”!……yes, I’m certain that I’ve read that somewhere once!
I said that exact thing earlier. Teams and coaches and GMs and owners have much to do with teams' success. Celtics, Lakers, Bulls- a huge advantage for great players to have mgt that surround them with good players and coaches.
...And players didn't chase rings by forming superteams and jumping teams in search of a championship every couple years.
People don't realize how big the Big "O" was. He was 6'5" and he weighed between 205-220lbs. Could shoot the lights out.