I've had there Sai Cai for 4 years now, it's great. Bear Paw glass and birds eye maple, 45# at 28". I have noticed over time that it has gotten smoother to draw and I can get to the 34" max draw quite well. I did make a string change to fast flight and it made a noticeable difference in speed and vibration, but it doesn't have hand shock at all just a little vibration. It's been a sweet shooter for the money and literally 20,000 or more arrows have been shot through it and it still seems like new! Thanks for your opinion!
4 years ago would put you at the sweet spot that i mentioned. After they made changes, i didn't like how the bow worked. The shock and vibration started after the newer changes
My AF Que Yue, shiny version, is super accurate in my hands. Love the light and snappy feel. Very natural to me for some reason. AF Tatar Oak version has been very nice and I get accurate with it after some shots... Both seem very well made, mass produced by hand. Simple but quality craftsmanship...
Aesthetic is subjective. For example I like the siyah walnut color, which contrasts against the core. But I don't like the bird's eye maple, look like some diseased wood surface lol. There are some wood veneer that look nice, maybe not this particular one. I also rather have a simple black bow tip than the red/black combo. Feels overdone, too fancy. But for the price difference, I'd rather pick the basic one, it is just a much better value. The premium one breaks just as much as the basic, so I don't see the point of having it
I have several AF and I do not complain at all I have a Nawalny whose quality is excellent and I hardly see any difference with my af. Even my best precision shots have been taken with AF.I personally have had no problems with that brand. But thanks was very interesting topic.
Both the Mariner and Spearman are better than the Nawalny. I didn't like mine (Nawalny) and sold it off early this year. Even though initially, it didn't felt like shock, but after a bit, the Nawalny feel less comfortable to me. The shock sensation seems to have build with time. I'd even rate the AF basic laminated as being better than Nawalny. That's how good these AF basic bows are, hence they even rival AF's own premium selection.
@Bamboo Archery yeah, they should put what bow they achieved it with the poundage at 28 they did it with, it's misleading and what if you get a strong person who can pull 50 pounds to the supposedly 34 inch draw, would it snap? I have seen a video of them drawing a bow to like 36-37 inch but I bet it's a 25 pound bow
AF has some winners the Zhu Ran and SiCai come to mind. I think what happens is AF gets these from little cottage masters. When they stop making there is no one to replace them.
What’s your thoughts on their Ming bow. I got the cheap model. I was impressed that a 175 dollar bow shot so well. But I’ve also had friends tell me super bad things. And friends to tell me great things.
Depends on when you got them and depends on your luck. Bows are not tillered, so you get random positive, negative, or even. Some unit sucks, some ok. It's like a lucky draw and you won't know what you'll get next.
@@BLACKXARCHERY same batch same model, i string them up and put them all together. I get everything from +, -, or even tiller and they don't even have the same limb curvature. Some bend more, some bend less. But great price, can't beat that lol
@@bambooarchery well for me. (Somone who only has 100 dollars in the bank account) it’s not about price. It’s about durability and longevity, while remaining true for years to come.
@@bambooarchery and from what your saying, I’m not going to buy in bulk from there. I thank you brother. I have a question, what company so you recommend.
I don't sell Ali anymore. Something happened between us and I felt cheated. Lost a few thousand USD for nothing. It's kinda like you paying full price for product A, and then you are given B, which is worth a lot less. Then you're told to just assume it being the same, and consider it settled. I kid you not, that's exactly what they did.
@@bambooarchery if you get a non-tillered bow, could you improvise a positive tiller just by putting felt under the top limb string where it touches the syiah? If you lift up the string a few mm, does that change the tiller?
@@pyramid_scheme_termination3655 no, you can't. Also, positive tiller alone is not enough. Positive tiller simply means that you have the lower limb stronger than the top. It doesn't say anything about the synchronicity of the two limb. The only way to do this is by slowly shaving material off.
It all comes down to your budget. Low budget -> AF Medium budget -> AF Premium, AF Super, Mariner Basic, Mariner Basic Carbon High budget -> AF Super, Mariner Premium, Mariner Premium Carbon, Yuwen, Yuwen Carbon
I just bought an AF Han Fibreglass bow. I quite like it but the string is crap. Not even sure what it's made from but the strands are huge! Already ordered a better one from someone else
@@timormsby1722 i got the Han Fibreglass long siyah bow in 35 pounds, and I recommend making a flemish twist out of the cheap waxy polyester bowstring material you can get on Aliexpress for $2-$5 a spool like I did. From the nonexistent stretch and creep, plus speed readings on the chrony I would say it counts as a fastflight type material. Shoots much faster with no issues for me after 500-1000 shots. Handshock was already remarkably low for a fibreglass bow but now it's nonexistent. If it does break I don't really mind - it cost less than a meal out when I bought it. If it begins to show wear i'll just reinforce the nocks with horn.
Hi just found your channel and love the resources specially the one about how to avoid shoulder injuries. That one hepled me a lot with some shoulder possitioning. I am looking for my first laminated bow. If my budget is around $300-350.00 usd which company do you think is the best?
That's because I'm cheap on equipment. Nothing fancy or much editing work. As long as it works out for most people. You may have to check your audio setup, others don't seem to have an issue hearing it fairly clearly.
I've had there Sai Cai for 4 years now, it's great. Bear Paw glass and birds eye maple, 45# at 28". I have noticed over time that it has gotten smoother to draw and I can get to the 34" max draw quite well. I did make a string change to fast flight and it made a noticeable difference in speed and vibration, but it doesn't have hand shock at all just a little vibration. It's been a sweet shooter for the money and literally 20,000 or more arrows have been shot through it and it still seems like new! Thanks for your opinion!
4 years ago would put you at the sweet spot that i mentioned. After they made changes, i didn't like how the bow worked. The shock and vibration started after the newer changes
@@bambooarchery I was wondering about the time it was best! Thank you for the info it's greatly appreciated!
My AF Que Yue, shiny version, is super accurate in my hands. Love the light and snappy feel. Very natural to me for some reason. AF Tatar Oak version has been very nice and I get accurate with it after some shots... Both seem very well made, mass produced by hand. Simple but quality craftsmanship...
The oak version is the basic. It rivals their own premium bearpaw version.
Moreover the basic Turkish bow look way better than the premium one imo, so it's really a matter of taste. Good vid, keep up the great work!
Aesthetic is subjective. For example I like the siyah walnut color, which contrasts against the core. But I don't like the bird's eye maple, look like some diseased wood surface lol. There are some wood veneer that look nice, maybe not this particular one. I also rather have a simple black bow tip than the red/black combo. Feels overdone, too fancy. But for the price difference, I'd rather pick the basic one, it is just a much better value. The premium one breaks just as much as the basic, so I don't see the point of having it
I have several AF and I do not complain at all I have a Nawalny whose quality is excellent and I hardly see any difference with my af. Even my best precision shots have been taken with AF.I personally have had no problems with that brand. But thanks was very interesting topic.
Both the Mariner and Spearman are better than the Nawalny. I didn't like mine (Nawalny) and sold it off early this year. Even though initially, it didn't felt like shock, but after a bit, the Nawalny feel less comfortable to me. The shock sensation seems to have build with time. I'd even rate the AF basic laminated as being better than Nawalny. That's how good these AF basic bows are, hence they even rival AF's own premium selection.
id argue they are saying it hits 34 cause you can pull a 20 pound bow to 34, but if you get it in 50 pound, good luck
Not sure about 20#, but I buy some 25, 30# and those drawlength aren't happening at these poundages.
@Bamboo Archery yeah, they should put what bow they achieved it with the poundage at 28 they did it with, it's misleading and what if you get a strong person who can pull 50 pounds to the supposedly 34 inch draw, would it snap? I have seen a video of them drawing a bow to like 36-37 inch but I bet it's a 25 pound bow
AF has some winners the Zhu Ran and SiCai come to mind.
I think what happens is AF gets these from little cottage masters. When they stop making there is no one to replace them.
It's all possible. I can't be 100% sure unless I visit their factory and see it in person.
Enjoys your videos... Thanks.
But at the same time i am wondering which country you are from... Could it be malaysia.
Yes, I'm located in Malaysia
@@bambooarchery o... thanks for your reply.
I already have you subscribed... Cause I enjoy archery...
By not tillering their bow, do you mean they make the top and bottom limb equal even though the top limb should be a little higher than the bottom?
Random. Sometimes even, sometimes positive, sometimes negative tiller
What’s your thoughts on their Ming bow. I got the cheap model. I was impressed that a 175 dollar bow shot so well.
But I’ve also had friends tell me super bad things. And friends to tell me great things.
Depends on when you got them and depends on your luck. Bows are not tillered, so you get random positive, negative, or even. Some unit sucks, some ok. It's like a lucky draw and you won't know what you'll get next.
@@bambooarchery holy smokes
@@BLACKXARCHERY same batch same model, i string them up and put them all together. I get everything from +, -, or even tiller and they don't even have the same limb curvature. Some bend more, some bend less. But great price, can't beat that lol
@@bambooarchery well for me. (Somone who only has 100 dollars in the bank account) it’s not about price. It’s about durability and longevity, while remaining true for years to come.
@@bambooarchery and from what your saying, I’m not going to buy in bulk from there. I thank you brother. I have a question, what company so you recommend.
You should do a compare between ALI bows and AF archery. Would be nice to hear your opinion!
I don't sell Ali anymore. Something happened between us and I felt cheated. Lost a few thousand USD for nothing. It's kinda like you paying full price for product A, and then you are given B, which is worth a lot less. Then you're told to just assume it being the same, and consider it settled. I kid you not, that's exactly what they did.
@@bambooarchery if you get a non-tillered bow, could you improvise a positive tiller just by putting felt under the top limb string where it touches the syiah? If you lift up the string a few mm, does that change the tiller?
@@pyramid_scheme_termination3655 no, you can't. Also, positive tiller alone is not enough. Positive tiller simply means that you have the lower limb stronger than the top. It doesn't say anything about the synchronicity of the two limb. The only way to do this is by slowly shaving material off.
Thank you for sharing your amazing knowledge.
Thank you for watching
How height are u, what is ur bowhand lenght, the way u draw the bow, u mention lenght 28" after pass behind ur ear.. correct me if im wrong
169cm
Do you have other brand recommendations?
It all comes down to your budget.
Low budget -> AF
Medium budget -> AF Premium, AF Super, Mariner Basic, Mariner Basic Carbon
High budget -> AF Super, Mariner Premium, Mariner Premium Carbon, Yuwen, Yuwen Carbon
I just bought an AF Han Fibreglass bow. I quite like it but the string is crap. Not even sure what it's made from but the strands are huge! Already ordered a better one from someone else
That's nylon material. You can use dacron on the bow, but don't use fast flight. The tips are not reinforced to withstand fast flight
@@bambooarchery oh damn. Probably should've checked that first
@@timormsby1722 i got the Han Fibreglass long siyah bow in 35 pounds, and I recommend making a flemish twist out of the cheap waxy polyester bowstring material you can get on Aliexpress for $2-$5 a spool like I did. From the nonexistent stretch and creep, plus speed readings on the chrony I would say it counts as a fastflight type material. Shoots much faster with no issues for me after 500-1000 shots. Handshock was already remarkably low for a fibreglass bow but now it's nonexistent. If it does break I don't really mind - it cost less than a meal out when I bought it. If it begins to show wear i'll just reinforce the nocks with horn.
Very helpful. Now do one for Alibow as well 😁
Read the other reply
@@bambooarchery I see. Too bad.
Hi just found your channel and love the resources specially the one about how to avoid shoulder injuries. That one hepled me a lot with some shoulder possitioning. I am looking for my first laminated bow. If my budget is around $300-350.00 usd which company do you think is the best?
Again Too much background humming sound and voice is resonating. Ruined the actual audio.
That's because I'm cheap on equipment. Nothing fancy or much editing work. As long as it works out for most people. You may have to check your audio setup, others don't seem to have an issue hearing it fairly clearly.
the audio is FINE, youre just being picky and sensitive, sheese......