What a good comparison. I can learn from this, I can improve, thank you. You should know that the Biocomposite Turkish bow is made in two sizes. Here is the short version. The longer Biocomposite Turkish is faster. But I still like to shoot with the smaller Turks. I'm planning a medium-sized Turkish bow now, I'd like to ask you for criticism ...in private ...how could the bow be even better!
Thanks for adding those information mister Grozer. Medium Turkish will be amazing! Can’t wait to see it! Sure, I can give you more feedback in our private conversation. Just ask me what you need to know ✌️🍀
I've had 4 Grozer bows in the past: the first was an absolute basic design Grozer calls Scythian - it was cheap and good value for the price. Next was a 'bio-composite' it exploded on stringing, Grozer apologised and said that they were using a defective glue. The next was another cheap 'Scythian' - again, no problems. The final was a full on horn and sinew composite - it was sold by Grozer as being 90 lb in draw weight - it was nearer 70 lbs, the horn belly had holes in it (poor quality horn) and when I complained about the poor quality (having waited over a year for the bow), he (via his assistant) simply said 'well that is the way horn is'. This is perhaps why Grozer won't sell using PayPal. Buyer beware!
WHOW, what a comparison of two real top Turkish Bows, maybe the best on the market! Monolith Technology VS Biocomposite Technology. So far I have shot Grozer Turkish Short (the one in Your video), Nawalny Turkish Medium (the one in Your video), Grozer Long Turkish, Nawalny Turkish Short and the Short Turkish Extra III Hornbow by Grozer. Unfortunately I had to sell so many bows because of money and only the Grozer Extra III Hornbow and Nawalny Short Turkish are left. But now back to the two bows in Your video, my archery friend: talking about my experience, both bows look very historical, Grozer Biocomposite maybe a little more because of the spine, that runs from the bash to the kazan. Grozer draws smoother, but is a little slower. No handshock on Grozer Short Turkish! Grozer Short Turkish works better around 40 lbs and up than in low draw weights 30-35 lbs. I saw Your great groupings with the Grozer, some a little to the right. I had the same problem and cured it with weaker arrows, shafts that are not so stiff on the Grozer bow. Nawalny Medium Turkish has a little handshock, depending on arrow weight. I would use a minimum of 9 gpp for the Nawalny Medium Turkish (there is NO handshock on the Nawalny Short Turkish down to 7 gpp!). Nawalny Bows are faster and great in low draw weights (30-35 lbs) too. Grozer Long Turkish was better in 33 lbs, than the short version. What would I buy again, if I had the money? Grozer as well as Nawalny! So You and me have the same result in the comparison....
What Grozer has done in modernizing ancient processes of composite bowery while using the same ancient materials is amazing; he's a scientist and an artist.
Wow what a battle they both look excellent. I like your garden I would love to shoot there running of course. Your garden your rules haha keep having fun Brother 👊😊
Really enjoyed this, I have the Grozer bow which I love. The transition from western style to eastern style is not a quick thing to learn but I am enjoying the journey.
Wow! This is awesome! Great work Mr. Charlie! Trying to pick the best of two beautiful bows?...Quite the challenge! ...I'm going to check out some more of your video's Mr. Charlie. Great video! Nice work!
It would take a little work on your part, but you could quantify efficiency and hand shock by first working out how much potential energy the bow stores a full draw. To do this, you would have to find the bow's draw weight at regular intervals. Once you know how much energy the bow stores, you can then shoot an arrow of a precisely known mass, measure its velocity and calculate its kinetic energy. The difference between the amount of energy the bow stores at full draw and the arrow's kinetic energy represents energy that is, for the most part, left over in the bow after the arrow leaves. The more energy that is left over in the bow, the less efficient it is and the more hand shock you're likely to feel. If you're going to compare different bows, a fair way to do that would be to use arrows that are the same weight relative to each bow's draw force.
These two bows are very nicely made and a pleasure to shoot. But in my personal opinion, I´d pick a Simons Bowcompany Raptor or a Paragon Raider. Even though both mentioned are laminated bows. Kindest Regards
Have you tried the Saluki Turkish hybrid? Plus Grozer is amazing value and almost half the price of Nawalny bow. It’s not like for like in price terms.
Mate! I finally placed an order and my 25# draw weight bow is on the way. I never had a light bow like this. But what it is? A Drake fiberglass ''Tatar'' bow. I never heard about the Drake as a brand. Very little information is found about Drake Archery. Near nothing in English and almost all information is German language. Their store is located in Germany as well. Did you ever hear about them?
hey brother what a great video. Im new to bows and im thinking of getting a turkish bow. what is the difference between biocompoiste bow and a laminated bow. what would you reccomend?
Really liked your video, you are doing a very good work. And yes, what an amazing place you have to shoot! Only wish you would also shoot thumb, you'd have a different feedback and this viewer could relate more
Very nice video Charlie, very nice! You really should be in the film and video industry doing this for a living. Seriously, you are phenomenal at video editing, filming and your compositions are stellar. This is just your hobby but I think you definitely have the skills and the eye to do this on a professional level. Keep up the great work!
Very nice comparison! Something I always wanted to see. I thank you for that. Now I have another question... have you ever tried or thought about trying the Paragon Raider? 34 Inch max draw. Some people say it is better and for sure much more efficient then Grozer's and Nawalny's bows.
Hello and good day! I am new to your channel, and am currently going through all of your videos. I really appreciate how you break down every aspect of each bow! I currently shoot with a compound bow and want to start working with one of these more traditional bows... So far I am gravitating towards the Laminated Turkish bow you reviewed by Grozer... Do you think that is a good entry point for me? Thanks! Or are there others that are better for starters?
Well, I’d start with laminated by Vegh or Bogar. Overall very good performance and for a good price. Grozer is much more adult bow and previous experience with traditional bows is important ✌️🍀
Mas.. Mas.. Then translate it into your own language. occasionally your people translate our language. sampean ini ndak membidik, ya pantesan hasilnya berbeda saat peninjauan (review), cobalah adil dalam meninjau alat. apalagi saat pembahasan akurasi. maaf, ndak semua orang barat itu atau bule-bule itu paham dan tau soal panahan apalagi tradisional panahan, bukan berarti archer di negara kami juga sangat ahli-ahli. setidaknya kami agak paham saat pembahasan review lah. ingat, cobalah bidikan, berhenti dulu saat anchoring, jangan langsung di shoot aja. kenapa ndak pakai teknik tarikan dengan jempol atau thumbdraw, selalu slavic ya gpp, tapi cobalah thumbdraw..
Which bows do you consider better? I have grozer biocomposite bows, but if want more professional and better performing turkish short bows. Please let me know brands/models
I really like your videos, you are doing a nice job! Please, can you tell me where can I buy an adjustble thumb ring/thumb protector for an affordable price? I saw some on amazon, but the shipping cost is higher than the product
@@CharliesRunningArchery Thanks In such a case where both bows are nearly equal price might be the deciding factor for many. What I have never seen in bow reviews, is a longtime review. Where someon take a looka t a bow after 1 or 2 years of real use. I know that limbs nowadys hold up for mayn years and that strings have to be replaced. But espcially on bio bows how does the whipping hold up or age and also how well does the painting hold up use.
@@CharliesRunningArchery i will soon get a 100lbs tartar compositbow, excited to see how it differs from modern tartarbows with glas and carbon laminats.
Tyhle dva luky jsou úplně jiný vesmír. Tady nehrajeme na poměr cena/výkon. Tady se bavíme o vyšší třídě, kde kupujeme zážitek, emocí, něco hlubokého a silného 🍀
kamo čau nevědel jsem že jsi cech ted jsem te našel na tvem florbal uctu a říkam na rovinu díky že jsi mě naučil hrat florbal z videi a střílet z luku dik -JAN
Same arrow weight but different dynamic spine, since both bows deliver at different speeds. Perhaps take your time to see which arrow works best for each bow and then shoot 20 in a row for each bow. But it'd still be subjective
Well, interesting idea. Since both bows are 38lbs I just used same 500 spine arrows so it's as relevant as possible. Maybe it is not. At the other hand, everyhing about bows is subjective. You will love something I would hate and so on... this is just my view and you can take what you feel is right for you :)
I really like the idea of running archery. It has a potential to compensate a non-athletic nature of archery as a sport discipline... I think, in order to develop it as a sport and get in more people to compete with you need to establish some standardized rules. Maybe something like those in horse archery, were you have some standard route and get judged based both on accuracy and lap time.
What a good comparison. I can learn from this, I can improve, thank you. You should know that the Biocomposite Turkish bow is made in two sizes. Here is the short version. The longer Biocomposite Turkish is faster. But I still like to shoot with the smaller Turks. I'm planning a medium-sized Turkish bow now, I'd like to ask you for criticism ...in private ...how could the bow be even better!
Thanks for adding those information mister Grozer. Medium Turkish will be amazing! Can’t wait to see it! Sure, I can give you more feedback in our private conversation. Just ask me what you need to know ✌️🍀
I've had 4 Grozer bows in the past: the first was an absolute basic design Grozer calls Scythian - it was cheap and good value for the price. Next was a 'bio-composite' it exploded on stringing, Grozer apologised and said that they were using a defective glue. The next was another cheap 'Scythian' - again, no problems. The final was a full on horn and sinew composite - it was sold by Grozer as being 90 lb in draw weight - it was nearer 70 lbs, the horn belly had holes in it (poor quality horn) and when I complained about the poor quality (having waited over a year for the bow), he (via his assistant) simply said 'well that is the way horn is'. This is perhaps why Grozer won't sell using PayPal. Buyer beware!
That sounds like a very bad experience. Sorry to hear that...
WHOW, what a comparison of two real top Turkish Bows, maybe the best on the market! Monolith Technology VS Biocomposite Technology. So far I have shot Grozer Turkish Short (the one in Your video), Nawalny Turkish Medium (the one in Your video), Grozer Long Turkish, Nawalny Turkish Short and the Short Turkish Extra III Hornbow by Grozer. Unfortunately I had to sell so many bows because of money and only the Grozer Extra III Hornbow and Nawalny Short Turkish are left. But now back to the two bows in Your video, my archery friend: talking about my experience, both bows look very historical, Grozer Biocomposite maybe a little more because of the spine, that runs from the bash to the kazan. Grozer draws smoother, but is a little slower. No handshock on Grozer Short Turkish! Grozer Short Turkish works better around 40 lbs and up than in low draw weights 30-35 lbs. I saw Your great groupings with the Grozer, some a little to the right. I had the same problem and cured it with weaker arrows, shafts that are not so stiff on the Grozer bow. Nawalny Medium Turkish has a little handshock, depending on arrow weight. I would use a minimum of 9 gpp for the Nawalny Medium Turkish (there is NO handshock on the Nawalny Short Turkish down to 7 gpp!). Nawalny Bows are faster and great in low draw weights (30-35 lbs) too. Grozer Long Turkish was better in 33 lbs, than the short version. What would I buy again, if I had the money? Grozer as well as Nawalny! So You and me have the same result in the comparison....
Thanks for amazing sharing of your experience mister Karl!
What Grozer has done in modernizing ancient processes of composite bowery while using the same ancient materials is amazing; he's a scientist and an artist.
This his bow is very good 🏹🍀
Wow what a battle they both look excellent. I like your garden I would love to shoot there running of course. Your garden your rules haha keep having fun Brother 👊😊
Really enjoyed this, I have the Grozer bow which I love. The transition from western style to eastern style is not a quick thing to learn but I am enjoying the journey.
Glad you like it!
Thanks Charlie about to purchase my first Turkish Bow these videos help I would love to order some of your Nocks 🎯
I have non of the nocks for sale anymore 🧘 only data for 3d printer
Both very nice bows, calm surroundings, and fun video..!
Wow! This is awesome! Great work Mr. Charlie! Trying to pick the best of two beautiful bows?...Quite the challenge! ...I'm going to check out some more of your video's Mr. Charlie. Great video! Nice work!
It would take a little work on your part, but you could quantify efficiency and hand shock by first working out how much potential energy the bow stores a full draw. To do this, you would have to find the bow's draw weight at regular intervals. Once you know how much energy the bow stores, you can then shoot an arrow of a precisely known mass, measure its velocity and calculate its kinetic energy. The difference between the amount of energy the bow stores at full draw and the arrow's kinetic energy represents energy that is, for the most part, left over in the bow after the arrow leaves. The more energy that is left over in the bow, the less efficient it is and the more hand shock you're likely to feel. If you're going to compare different bows, a fair way to do that would be to use arrows that are the same weight relative to each bow's draw force.
Honestly I’m not patient enough and at the same time I bad at mathematics. Sorry
These two bows are very nicely made and a pleasure to shoot. But in my personal opinion, I´d pick a Simons Bowcompany Raptor or a Paragon Raider. Even though both mentioned are laminated bows. Kindest Regards
would have been better if you'd put all the specs on the same lines for easy comparison.
Thanks for feedback! I wanted to do so - I just forgot and did not recall it before upload 🤦🏻
This Is one of my favorite pages for archery.I would like ti Watch a review from you about a Kassai bow.
Have you tried the Saluki Turkish hybrid? Plus Grozer is amazing value and almost half the price of Nawalny bow. It’s not like for like in price terms.
I did try Saluki. Will check it out :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery Nawalny v Saluki maybe a better comparison based on price. For value for quality and easy of use Grozer is an easy solution.
Mate! I finally placed an order and my 25# draw weight bow is on the way. I never had a light bow like this. But what it is? A Drake fiberglass ''Tatar'' bow. I never heard about the Drake as a brand. Very little information is found about Drake Archery. Near nothing in English and almost all information is German language. Their store is located in Germany as well. Did you ever hear about them?
Amazing video!
go for bows by Peter Bogar - the Vegh bows
Tested them all… reviews are here on my channel :)
NAWALNY bow is to expensive, it start at 650€, the Grozer is more acessible
Yes, Nawalny is expensive. But it worth the money!
hey brother what a great video. Im new to bows and im thinking of getting a turkish bow. what is the difference between biocompoiste bow and a laminated bow. what would you reccomend?
Hi, thanks for come by :) If begginer, go with laminated. 100% :)
This target is diy ? And, nice videos, as always !
All my targets are bought from e-shops :)
Really liked your video, you are doing a very good work. And yes, what an amazing place you have to shoot!
Only wish you would also shoot thumb, you'd have a different feedback and this viewer could relate more
I'm not good at thumb, it's not my style, sorry :(
Could you make a video on your purchasing experience for both bows. I have one coming for Grozer and it won't be pretty.
My experience is not from the side of view of a customer. We have a business relationship. But it sounds that you are but happy at all 🥶
What's the specific name of that grozer?
Very nice video Charlie, very nice! You really should be in the film and video industry doing this for a living. Seriously, you are phenomenal at video editing, filming and your compositions are stellar. This is just your hobby but I think you definitely have the skills and the eye to do this on a professional level. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! I’m filmmaker, I do video and photos for a living 🍀
Thank you! I’m filmmaker, I do video and photos for a living 🍀
@@CharliesRunningArchery Oh okay then nevermind LOL! Great job!!!
Very nice comparison! Something I always wanted to see. I thank you for that. Now I have another question... have you ever tried or thought about trying the Paragon Raider? 34 Inch max draw. Some people say it is better and for sure much more efficient then Grozer's and Nawalny's bows.
Hi, thanks. I have never tried Paragon Rider bow, so cannot expand on the topic. Sorry.
@@CharliesRunningArchery thank you for replying. maybe in the future you will et to try one. keep up with the great work you do! thank you.
Hello and good day! I am new to your channel, and am currently going through all of your videos. I really appreciate how you break down every aspect of each bow! I currently shoot with a compound bow and want to start working with one of these more traditional bows... So far I am gravitating towards the Laminated Turkish bow you reviewed by Grozer... Do you think that is a good entry point for me? Thanks! Or are there others that are better for starters?
Well, I’d start with laminated by Vegh or Bogar. Overall very good performance and for a good price. Grozer is much more adult bow and previous experience with traditional bows is important ✌️🍀
Mas.. Mas.. Then translate it into your own language. occasionally your people translate our language.
sampean ini ndak membidik, ya pantesan hasilnya berbeda saat peninjauan (review), cobalah adil dalam meninjau alat. apalagi saat pembahasan akurasi.
maaf, ndak semua orang barat itu atau bule-bule itu paham dan tau soal panahan apalagi tradisional panahan, bukan berarti archer di negara kami juga sangat ahli-ahli.
setidaknya kami agak paham saat pembahasan review lah.
ingat, cobalah bidikan, berhenti dulu saat anchoring, jangan langsung di shoot aja.
kenapa ndak pakai teknik tarikan dengan jempol atau thumbdraw, selalu slavic ya gpp, tapi cobalah thumbdraw..
Great comparison video! I'm looking to get a new bow after an old one snapped on me... oops. Are these considered higher end more expensive bows?
Yes, absolutely they are more expensive and better bows :)
Which bows do you consider better? I have grozer biocomposite bows, but if want more professional and better performing turkish short bows. Please let me know brands/models
I really like your videos, you are doing a nice job! Please, can you tell me where can I buy an adjustble thumb ring/thumb protector for an affordable price? I saw some on amazon, but the shipping cost is higher than the product
Sorry 😞 have no idea since I don’t use it 🤔
Prices of both bows would have been nice. :)
Sorry… NAWALNY 850 Euros, Grozer 460 Euros :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery Thanks
In such a case where both bows are nearly equal price might be the deciding factor for many.
What I have never seen in bow reviews, is a longtime review. Where someon take a looka t a bow after 1 or 2 years of real use.
I know that limbs nowadys hold up for mayn years and that strings have to be replaced.
But espcially on bio bows how does the whipping hold up or age and also how well does the painting hold up use.
Can you shoot with Native American short long bow? They are 3ft long
While running? Probably not 🤷♂️
Where to buy that bow please
Search for Grozer bow and NAWALNY bow :)
By look I can easily say that, Grozer looks more Turkish!
having just 38lbs and talking about how important handshock is..... 🙂
Yes, most men (unfortunately) are not strong enough to shoot even 38lbs, so it’s important for them 👌
@@CharliesRunningArchery i will soon get a 100lbs tartar compositbow, excited to see how it differs from modern tartarbows with glas and carbon laminats.
Nadherne luky a urcite skvele. Ale assyrsky je stale najlepsi v pomere cena/vykon ,ze? :)
Tyhle dva luky jsou úplně jiný vesmír. Tady nehrajeme na poměr cena/výkon. Tady se bavíme o vyšší třídě, kde kupujeme zážitek, emocí, něco hlubokého a silného 🍀
Hye,did you try golhan sipahi bow,i think that bow great.
I haven’t even herd of that brand 🤔
@@CharliesRunningArchery that bow from Turkey,bowyer name mehmet golhan.
Bro do you use Slavic/Pwrsiant release?
Yes I do
@@CharliesRunningArchery I just saw your video comparing thumb release to Persian 2 finger draw.
Is this where I sign up for my vehicle's extended warranty?
… no 🤷♂️
An interesting test, but a bow shooting technique that is not suitable for popularization ;)
Why not? :)
Nawalnyj probably stands for Saluki founder Lukazc Novotny a descendant from Czech Republic now living in US
Have no idea...
not same
These are two different bowbuilders
kamo čau nevědel jsem že jsi cech ted jsem te našel na tvem florbal uctu a říkam na rovinu díky že jsi mě naučil hrat florbal z videi a střílet z luku dik -JAN
The accuracy test is nonsense...
How it should be done correctly according to you?
Same arrow weight but different dynamic spine, since both bows deliver at different speeds. Perhaps take your time to see which arrow works best for each bow and then shoot 20 in a row for each bow. But it'd still be subjective
Well, interesting idea. Since both bows are 38lbs I just used same 500 spine arrows so it's as relevant as possible. Maybe it is not. At the other hand, everyhing about bows is subjective. You will love something I would hate and so on... this is just my view and you can take what you feel is right for you :)
I really like the idea of running archery. It has a potential to compensate a non-athletic nature of archery as a sport discipline... I think, in order to develop it as a sport and get in more people to compete with you need to establish some standardized rules. Maybe something like those in horse archery, were you have some standard route and get judged based both on accuracy and lap time.