I like Zinogre and Barioth ~ their design is so metal.. but i love their Counters Stygian Zn & frost fang. I think me despite only playing World + Ice _ Rise. I'm bored with same og narga altho i'd love to see its variants.. Stygian Zn really felt on par with Savage Deviljho coz they're hard hitting and fast. they gave best satisfaction of killing compared to regualr top teir non elder drags
Should you mention apex forms from 4u? Not many monsters got those and they do change the moveset of the monsters a few of the mascots here got them one of really high note being zinogre.. i swear there's some favortism going on.
Man I miss Monoblos so much, I find his design and lore alot more interesting than Diablos, the term "Proof of a Hero" has its origin in Monoblos with Kokoto chief before the guild was established managed to slay a monoblos on his own and nowadays Hunters try to replicate it and solo a monoblos inorder to proof themselves a hero. So in short Monoblos has been done dirty for how important and meaningful it is
The thing is Diablos have become 'too famous' that if they try to removed Diablos, some fans will complain. Yet the 2 way too similar, both have a more brute-style fighting method, both have not only the same skeleton, but also identical design, both even inhabits the same sandy or desert habitat and have the same cactus-based diet, so there's a risk of 'redundancy'. Unless if they wanna make them both have a complete different traits aside from the amount of horns
This is the same basic problem that fighting games run into with long running series and iconic characters. Fans scream that they're bored of the same characters over and over. Then those same fighting games do a 'new generation' release. And almost ALL of them stumble and fall. People don't end up getting attached to a whole new cast when the oldie goldies aren't around. That's why pushing a few new 'characters' along side a stable of popular returners became the norm. It's what most fighting games do. It's what MH does too.
I feel the same way. However, having too huge of a roster appearing in every single game will make that roster eventually go stale. Rathian and Rathalos are fine to have in every single game, they have always told me that "yes, this is indeed MH". Swapping the other monsters out for new ones should happen soon though. When meeting the same 10 monsters in every single game, they will go stale from lack of variation.
While this is a great lesson indeed, I'd argue that it's not exactly applicable in this situation. In fighting games, the characters are controlled by the player. Removing a playable character from a fighting game is the equivalent of removing a weapon in Monster Hunter. Yes, the game is still playable, but if you main only one specific character, this will heavily impact the player. And depending on the player and your options, you might not be able to properly enjoy the game anymore. Compared to that, having a monster or removing one is more comparable to removing a track in mario kart. Baby Park is peak Mario Kart track design, but I can still absolutely enjoy any mario kart games that don't have baby park in it.
@@blastimbre Well, personally I do feel it to be very similiar. In Monster Hunter specifically, fighting different Monsters changes how you approach the combat. You can go more aggressive, or might need to be more methodically and patient, depending on the monsters moveset. This is also very similiar to how different tracks in racing games work. Baby Park is very simple in it's track design (cant get any more simple than that), but very chaotic when it comes to item usage. In this map, your driving performance isn't as important as your awareness of your surrounding and item usage (no matter how much of a lead you have as the first place, you still have to deal with other people using stars, bullets and the like). On the other hand, Cloudtop Cruise will require much more of your driving skills to dodge the traps and exploit the various shortcuts and benefits the map has to offer. The monsters in Monster Hunter Games have a similiar effect to the player. A Rakna-Kadaki serves mostly as a punching bag (at least to me), so I can go all out with performing great combos and maximizing my damage output, but then comes an Apex Zinogre (electro doggo on crack) and I'm forced to adapt more of a hit-and-run playstyle. Wether or not you do agree with that comparison though won't change my initial point I tried to make: Removing playable characters in a Fighting game is definitely not the same (gameplay wise at least) to removing Monsters in a Monster Hunter game. But if you do have a better comparison/example regarding the monsters (and Mario Kart tracks), feel freel to share it with me :D Edit: I would like to mention that, for me at least, having a track I do love in a new Mario Kart track is similiar to fighting an older Monster in a newer Monster Hunter game. Yes, there are different nuances, but the idea is mostly the same.
My main issue with constantly reusing flagships is that they eat into design space that could be filled with a new new, more interesting monster. As much as I like chameleos, his absence in world led to the creation of vaal hazak, which while not one of my favorite designs, is something new that we hadn't really seen before
I always thought MHGU hammered to death the idea that there are an arbitrary amount of monsters slots. But then again this is coming from someone who only played 3 MH games to any significant capacity so far: MHFU, MHGU and MHWI.
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Well it probably also has to do with carry-over, since older games could get away with porting monsters from previous games over with only some touch-ups, it wouldn't be as developer intensive to keep bringing back old monsters while still making new ones. it is more of an issue when making a bigger generational leap like with World where the jump in visual fidelity and changes to the game engine that would require a lot more work to bring back older monsters.
I like both but I love chame more but I definitely get your point, wished they had swapped chame with Kush in World, so that it actually makes sense for them to be in the ancient forest design wise and so that we don’t have several elders just hogging the recess
Being honest, I’d let Zinogre rest so Lagiacrus could get more spotlight, feels like it got the short straw when talking about the Thunder Gen3 flagship
My one qualm with Lagiacrus returning is he will be gimped. Lagi is my favorite momster in the entire series by a healthy amount and I simply don't think he's recovered from the loss of water combat. Even the new moves he got don't make up for his lost water moveset. I'd legit prefer to wait for underwater hunting to return before we bring back Lagi daddy.
I don’t think he’s in a bad spot, Royal Ludroth has recovered very well after Rise despite being a mainly aquatic monster too, and Lagiacrus has the advantage of being able to borrow attacks from a subspecies whose whole concept is adapting to land combat
@@bluevern904 I must respectfully disagree, I actually find the modern Royal Ludroth to be quite bland far as his fight goes. Likewise for ivory Lagiacrus. But I suppose that's merely a matter of preference.
Rathalos is Monster Hunter's Charizard, I don't think it's going anywhere. But I definitely would love to see some of the less common monsters show up again, reworked and ready to shine. I love the flagship monsters, but seriously, shelf some of them for a game or two and let me get excited about the prospect of them showing up again.
I'd more say Rathalos is Monster Hunter's Pikachu, but Zinogre is their Lucario, their Charizard, and their Incineroar all in one. Enough Zinogre already, please. You have other electric monsters.
I would say Rath is MH’s pikachu. Not too overly popular, but definitely kept in every game/gen. I heard someone call Zinogre is more of a charizard since he’s popular but I don’t think people are tired of the love it gets yet
I agree with the fact that some flagship overstayed their welcomes but Rathalos and Rathian should be in every Monster Hunter game for sure. For example, Zinogre is everywhere and in the few games he isn’t in everyone is acting as if this game is incomplete. They should try to bring more forgotten monsters like King Shakalaka or Hypnocatrice instead of constantly prioritizing fan favorites. (Especially King Shakalaka as they could do so much with him in a modern game)
I liked what tri did cause it did kinda reset the board and introduce a ton new cool monsters that would become iconic later on. The fact tha now every new monster hunter feels like it HAS to carry over like already 10 or 15 monsters from previous games really hinders its potential and struggles more to make the new flagships as memorable cause they always have to compete with the older ones
tri did good but I do think it shaved the board a little 'too' much, if I recall there were only 18 big monsters with no variants, and with a bunch of weapons being cut (Gunlance, Dual Blades, Hunting Horn, Bow and longsword only being available 'after' you've beaten Lagi) it made the game feel kind of barebones, the aditions made in portable and Ultimate both combated this though.
@@taloscal Actually in Tri GL, DB, HH, and Bow were flat out cut completely! The only extra weapon types you unlocked through progressing the story was the Switch Axe (which got its debut in Tri), and the LongSword. The rest of the weapons didn't come back till I believe Portable 3rd in Japan and 3U in the west
I have infinite respect for the base game of Mhw for saying, “Im confident I will do well without all these monsters people love.” And it absolutely killed it Then Ib came around and said “We got Narga, we got glavenus, we got tigrex and brachy, and we all know how much you guys love the thunder dog” I still believe Ib is the pinnacle of the series, but it’s kinda obvious what they did with the flaghsips
World had some absolute standouts for sure, but it wouldn't be fair to ignore compared to other mid game monsters, anjanath is kinda boring tbh. He's a fire breathing t Rex, very aggressive, and that's more or less all. Beyond that he feels almost like a diet glavenus, complete with throat exploding and tail swings, though his use feathers not a sword.
I haven’t made up my mind in Iceborne is the pinnacle, but I can say that the inclusion of nargacuga and zinogre were disappointing to the extreme. I wanted new monsters, or old ones that I haven’t fought in a long time so their fights are fresh. I won’t get that with those flagships.
My one issue with iceborne is the alatreon fight. I feel like relying on gimmicks like escaton judgement takes away from the overall enjoyment. It forces you to use the same copy-paste safijiva build or kulve build in order to actually win. If they had made him more like his GenU counterpart, then iceborne would be without flaw in my opinion.
I don’t have a problem with meta gear but I just feel like it wasn’t necessary to force people to fashion armor builds for it. I have always been a more casual player, playing fashion hunter for the most part and worrying about builds later. It allowed me to play how It gave me freedom and any mistakes made were my fault so I adjusted as necessary. I feel like escaton judgement was interesting but the way it was implemented was kind of poor.
@@BakeNation_MH it was cause at a panel or convention Steve was debuted the crowd ask for the monsters name. But capcom didn't have a name for it yet. So they jokingly said his name was Steve and it just stuck.
I think you should’ve given special attention to a certain few other monsters. Namely, the ones that I like to call, The Invader Trio! Rajang, Deviljho, and Bazelguese!
@@dripdimetrodon4391 I'm so sick of diablos tbh. They could totally give monoblos or any other monster like gammoth the "raging brachy or amatsu treatment" where they totally got a complete makeover in their fight and spectacle. Just my opinion tho
Here's a weird one, Lagombi. He appears in p3rd and 3u, then was the only bear to appear in 4/4u, then even picked up a deviant in gen/gu, he skipped world but came back in rise. I think he has the best record of all non flagships besides deviljho, and even he missed a game. Wonder why he's so prevalent, must be really popular in japan.
Nice example, Lagombi certainly does show up a ton in these games, for better or worse, and it's interesting considering it doesn't seem too important, per se.
What about Diablos? Hes been in MH1, MH2, MH3, MH4, MHGen, MHWorld, MHRise, MH Stories and MH Stories 2. Hes been in every single game exept in Base MH4 but he was in 4 Ultimate still.
@@draw2death421 Diablos wasn't actually in vanilla Gen, only added in GU, but yeah he's super common , though missing 4 and gen actually makes his record equal to lagombi so far. He's kind of treated as a pseudo flagship, even promoted to a full one with bloodbath so I figure that's why he comes back a lot.
I wouldn't really count the expansions as seperate games. This makes it so you realise for example nargacuga has only been missing in MH4 and Diablos is in every game. In the complete package of all games they are almost always present.
I like the fact that you used both pronunciations of Tigrex. As a person who met him in MHFU and stuck to the “T-Rex” approach instead of the “Tiger” one, it made me feel more welcomed in a community where EVERYONE CALLS HIM “TIE-GREKS”
Part of having the same monsters in the game over and over again is that the balance of elements ends up following a very similiar path every single game. Personally I just want want a game that focuses on all of the weird under represented monster types like neopterons, carapaceons, temnocerans, amphibians, piscines and snakes.
I would love to see snake wyverns make their return in sunbreak. They could do some cool stuff with them coiling around you requiring wirebugs to escape from.
@@gamecavalier3230 Snake wyverns are a class of wyverns possessing a snake-like body structure. As far as I know, najarala and tidal najarala are the only snake wyverns right now.
Another thing of note is that Zinogre was the only fanged wyvern until 5th gen, I think he was a great addition for a long time because of the variety he brought but with more monsters in the category now he should take a seat for a game. The monster I've been really tired of is brachy, he steals the spotlight from a lot of other brute wyverns and he hasn't gotten a break in a long time, I'm hopeful to not see him in sunbreak. Outside of those two I'm not really tired of any flagships.
I feel like they only come back for weapon balancing purposes, we historically havent had many blast weapons and when it comes to thunder the only good weapons are Lagis and Zinogres and it seems like the dev team dont like Lagi all that much, either that or they dont want to use Lagi cause they cant really implement Abyssal.
I feel you For Fanged Wyverns, I feel they're lizards like the Great Jagras I saw that first before Zinogre, and I never knew they were made in the 3rd generation So I'm happy MHW IB has plenty of Fanged Wyverns, however I wish Odogaron returned in rise instead of Tobi Because he's abused by 3 monsters Odo would pick a fight with almost any monster, imagine if Odo had a similar fight with Magno like Luna and Garan, but Magno wins because of Hellfire
@Plain Water the only 2 brutes with their variants in mh4u I was sad there were only 2 of them Fortunately a few years later I had a dream Uragaan was in it His intro was him eating rocks inside a shed and as soon as he saw your character in the game, he got angry and roared ready for a fight
Gore magala would be a perfect DLC monster for a mh game because it would separate him from the main story and allow him to take the reigns for an endgame system
The fact the flagship monsters keep returning is actually what drives the new monsters to keep having creative designs. You won't make a knockoff Rathalos if he's already in the game. That's why Seregios has so many fast sweeping attacks and Astalos will just punch you across the map, there is a need to make them different. The same people wanting to bench these are probably the same people that think Radobaan and World Lavasioth are unique fights.
When I saw Radobaan for the first time, the only thing I could think about was how sad I was there was an uragaan clone. While obviously not the same exact fight, the similar properties are there
This really doesnt make sense cause even if they were gone new monsters would take their place and they wouldnt nexessarily have to be similar, like bazelgeuse becoming the new deviljho or athal ka becoming the new final boss. The fact that you want both and not just one of the other just ends up giving less resources to the new monsters since they also need to bring back every fan favourite one
@@PraiseChika its an example not literal, im saying that if a monster gets cut for a game its replacement is usually something original or different and not straight up the same thing
@@pandinus1377 well something like Bazel and Jho have comparable roles as invaders but fight you in very different ways, Monsters that would replace/block each other from appearing would be more like the Khezu/Gigginox or the recently revealed Almudron Subspecies/Agnaktor (assuming Agnaktor doesn't appear, which is the assumption due to the recent subspecies reveal)
I have to say, I feel this a lot with the Gen 2 elder dragon trio. 4U was the first game I played with them in it, since I started the series with Tri, but MAN did 4U leave me feeling burned out on them with how many things needed large elder dragon gems for their final upgrade. And then at least two of the three have been part of the end game for every monster hunter since then. I like what Rise did with their fights, but even then I'm still kind of feeling the burnout from fighting them in so many games. I would genuinely be thrilled if the next Monster Hunter had fewer elder dragons in general, and rounded out its endgame with more rare subspecies of non-elders. There's a lot of really fun low-tier and mid-tier monsters that I would love to fight end-game versions of. I would genuinely have the time of my life if one of the hardest fights in a Monster Hunter game was some god-tier Great Jaggi subspecies. Give me a Great Jaggi rare subspecies that kicks my 24 year old, veteran hunter ass even more than the Tri demo disk Great Jaggi kicked my 12 year old noob ass.
I really love Rare Species, and they might be my favorite alternate form of monsters. I really wish Capcom would bring them back because they are absolutely amazing fights.
I share the same sentiment. I also started in tri and grinded out the endgame of mh4u, you needed elder dragon gems for literally everything and I got tired of them fast. Apex system made them even less bearable in mh4u, then in mhgen there were so many monsters to the point where I didn't have to farm them. Then came MHW and Kushala and teostra were back. again. I'm still playing Iceborne right now, but the amount of kushala and teostra hunted are almost the bare minimum I needed for armor. I'll do everything I can to not have to fight kushala again. Then the duo (because the most fun fight got taken out of games) appeared in mhrise. again. I'm getting real tired of them. Not only are they prominent, but they almost can't be ignored because elder dragons are such a big part of the endgame.
I guess for nargacuga it's more the nargacuga meta that people are sick of rather than it appearing in multiple games. Especially with Rise where it felt rather useless to use any other weapon than nargacuga for it's sharpness, ofcourse it's only high rank but it still bummed me out that my favorite weapon designs couldnt get the great stuff narga's weapons have
Nargas weapons have almost always been top tier, or almost top tier since his first appearence in portable 2nd g/freedom unite. Having purple sharpness, decent slots, and high crit were well worth the tradeoff for a lil less in raw attack. Plus having purple sharpness and high crit could easily make up the difference in power. Also they eliminated the "need" for handicraft, often a very difficult skill to get. Steve weapons are similar, but have a bit more raw, less crit rate, and have a sharpening mechanic from dodging.
@@ThijsTrials i wanna see them bring back some of the better diablos weapons. Cera cymmetry, diablos chaos broker to name a couple. But yeah, a change in the "meta" would be nice. Problem is, narga and steve weapons have a setup that makes them extremely reliable. With good positive crit rate and slots, the weapons are already good, but purple sharpness is the icing on the cake, especially since its one of the most coveted things to have on a weapon because of its modifiers. They would either need to either nerf the weapons, create even more reliable weapons with even more broken stats, or alternatively they could either adjust the current monsters defenses against raw damage or bring in new ones more resistant to it. Make them more susceptable to element damage. That could change things abit if done right. Now there are skills that can and will help other weapons combat and even excel narga and steve weapons in power and usefulness, problem is those weapons often need certain skills allocated to start getting the same result or better, such as having purple sharpness, good crit rate, meanwhile nargas and steve have all of that basic goodness built in, so they can focus on other skills to boost damage output instead. Such as crit boost and tenderizer. A constant uptime of 140% crit damage increase every hit instead of 125% is broken
I like a lot of these momsters, but I wouldn't mind Diablos or Zinogre taking a break once in a while, just to make room for some fresh blood. Obviously the Raths have to say because... well, because they're the Raths, but others can take a day or two off me thinks.
Zinogre is an evergreen monster for me cause it’s moveset always gets slight changes and it’s very varied however I’m tired of tigrex and rathalos and narga, their weapons and armor have always been great but it just lets people rely on grinding those specific monsters for good gear. I’d literally just split their armor abilities onto lesser fought monsters to incentivize their fights or unique new monsters.
Those monsters are honestly too iconic and unique to not be included. Tigrex has a cool design and while Nargacuga is more tame, the way he moves and the sounds they make are unique enough. Same for Zinogre. If anything, they kinda show how tame some new monster designs are in MHW when compared to new comers
Eh, Zinoger’s bowgun weapons have been op/ very good in a lot of the recent games. Stygian and Zinoger in world were the top of spread hbg till safi and Fatty and Zin was the second best but the most versatile pierce hbg in GU and in rise it is the best slicing gun. But yeah rath keeps getting the best armour of the lot to my dislike
@@Ritsu362 tame? Like have you seen Rakna? Or shara. Honestly Tigrex is plain, he is a simple fight and that is often the charge of him. Narga is more agile and takes attacks in a different route and while Zin is zin you can’t tell me that monsters like Odo don’t have fun fights and really carry the mantle of fanged beast well
@@victory8928 anjanath: deviljho lite with a little fire Banbaros: deviljho except he’s fat and is actually a moose? Tobi kadachi was pretty cool except they reused him. orange tobi and red tobi and black tobi lol Jyuratadous- what if lavasioth/plesioth used mud instead? 😳 also the ice version whose name I forget. Legiana also looks kinda lame even if they have some cool ice attacks. Royal ludroth- I mean great jagras Also, Nergigante is a cool fight but he’s not as interesting as Velkhana or the other Elders Val Hazak was cool tho. Shara ishvalda is absolutely one of my favorite monsters. So crazy looking, I love it when they break the mold and look really weird, kinda like Nakarkos or Ibushi from rise. Namielle also looks cool with the way they fights. Honestly, the elder dragons were all mostly cool. It seems like half were kinda meh which isn’t usually the case when compared to newcomers in most other MH games Also, I say Odogaron has a subdued design but he’s pretty cool to fight the first time. Definitely one of my favorite fights when I first started
Dude, I've been thinking the same thing Let Rathalos, Rathian, Diablos, Kushala, Teostra, Tigrex, Nargacuga, and Zinogre, take a break As for the Lunastra, Hypnocatrice, Yama, Vespoid Queen, Shen Gaoren, Lagiacrus, Gobul, Agnaktor and Duramburos return a few more times Then let the Fated 5 come back too in Generation 6 and let there be more new monsters like MH Tri, only 3 returned and then MH3u, 5 original monsters were in it So I truly agree
@@liothetitanhunter7959 Fuck yeah let's re-introduce a bunch of monsters that require their own dedicated arena that don't overlap with other monsters, rely on features that don't exist in the game anymore or are literally vespoid but big
@@FlorkGnubbler yeah, Lavasioth got 3 mainline appearances in monster hunter So why not bring him back? Or at least the other 2 Piscine wyverns Even the Aka and Uka duo And last the Molten Tigrex, only 1 appearance
To be honest, I don’t mind what happens to the rest of these, but rathalos just seems so iconic and such a good basic monster I don’t wanna see it gone
Not a flagship but still a monster I think is worth mentioning is Deviljho. He's been an iconic monsters since his introduction in Tri, serving as one of the main invader monsters that can appear in your quest at any given time. Since his appearance in Tri, Deviljho had been a mainstay of the franchise, appearing in every single mainline game until getting cut from the roster in Rise. On top of that, he has his variant, the Savage Deviljho which appeared in 3U, 4, 4U, Gens, GU, and IB. That being said, do I think he had overstayed his welcome? Not at all, because that's the point. The first lesson I taught my one friend when he first reached High Rank in 3U is to "always prepare for Deviljho," and that rule had stayed relevant ever since. Frankly, I'm disappointed his perfect attendance streak has ended with Rise. He could have been an actual invader as opposed to Rajang who mostly just sleeps when he's in a quest.
I acutaly see to benefits to giving monsters that have been showing up alot such as diablos, Zinogre, Tigrex and the elders like teostra and kushala a break for a game or 2, The first benefit is it gives a chance to design and introduce new monsters to take their place and they could show of their creativity might even give a chance for a lot of frontier monsters to make the jump over. The other is that when these monsters do show up you will make a lot off people extremely happy seeing there fan favourites showing back up and it helps build hype think back to when iceborne was showing off the returning cast people got so happy and exited, You yeah I think it would be a good idea to give those monsters a break for a couple games might be good to mabye take ones like diablos and monoblos and have them swap places from game to game for variety
Alternatively they go the GU route and include almost everything, that's my personal vote, have more diversity in what you can fight and where in one game. Frontier also had that, just a huge assortment of greatly varied monsters
As long as the monsters ai keeps getting better and their design keeps evolving, i dont mind seeing repeats. Just having them there does not take away from the creativity of new monsters. Nor should it. The more monsters the better. The only thing i dont care about is the low to lower-mid tier monsters. They can disappear for all i care. I have no love for the alpha versions of generic fodder-drome or drome similar species especially.
Short answer: Nope Long answer: No. most flagships are among my favorite monsters. Zinogre and Tigrex will always have a place in my heart and every game they are in i love them
Nope. Because in every mh game the hunt feels different. My hunt with tigrex in fu is different in 4u and different in rise. Although it is fine to remove them for new monsters but still I hope that they will return for the next mh game.
This wouldn't be remotely a problem if the game by game roster hadn't been shrinking over the more recent generations. Literally who was complaining about seeing particular monsters too often before the Gen U to World transition and the roster getting decimated?
Mhwib has the same number of monsters as 4u (70). And rise has about half it's monsters out due to sunbreak not being released yet. It also has 41 btw in it's base game which is fairly large already. Idk what you mean by smaller roster. Nothings gonna be like genU. That was made specifically to have massive representation.
@@ritten7452 World had the smallest base roster since Tri and base rise has the smallest roster since portable 3rd. It's true that Iceborne added enough content over time that it came into line with recent non-generations performances but that was achieved over time considering 8 of those were added after the initial dlc. I don't necessarily think that it can be expected that Sunbreak will see as significant an increase, particularly without many of those monsters being added afterwards. Sunbreak is set to release almost half a year faster than Iceborne did, after all.
@@jahredharrison4069 world’s roster being smaller is very understandable due to the game being built from scratch and all the monsters being remodeled from scratch to have high poly count models to fit the home consoles and PC platforms higher graphical capabilities. Im sure moving forward the games will have larger rosters, as we can already see from Rise having 45 monsters in the base game.
@@jahredharrison4069 Reguardelss of how long it took to get those monsters, my point was that the games have the same amount of monsters. The rosters arent smaller they just took time to add more.
See lagi would've been in world, and also sunbreak but they've yet to figure out his collision issues due to his body touching far more ground surface than other leviathans. Fingers crossed that gen6 brings underwater back so the poor gator can return to the spotlight
I feel like Lagi touches the ground just as much if not less than Mizutsune and Royal Ludroth so I don't think that's the problem. I'm thinking the issue is more likely something to do with his long neck behaving in strange ways or interfering with terrain or something
the reason why Lunastra hasn't shown up in many monster hunter games is because in second gen lunastra was just an easier Teostra for the village quests. i don't know why they did this, but it is the reason if my sources are to believe. it was in world where Lunastra was made to be it's own fight with different moves and mechanics. So we are most likely to see more of her as we move forward in Monster Hunter games
Nice video! Surprised when I saw your sub count! I don't mind returning Monsters, I believe all flagships have a right to return to future games, and I also have my list of Monsters I want to return
I have lots of nostalgia for 3rd gen Monsters with Tri being my first entry. So this includes Lagiacrus, Quoropeco, Gigginox and Agnaktor. Gore Magala, as much as i'd like to bring him back, they'd need to make a big deal of it. This includes the frenzy, which was woven so nicely into the narrative of MH4U I feel just bringing him back would do him huge injustice. But I'm hugely surprised that Seltas and his Queen haven't made a return, especially now we can have more complex monster interactions. I always loved how these two worked together and was MH4U's funnest fights. And I think this has been said by many others before, but we have Glavenus... Mitzizune, Astalos on the horizon... Please complete the fated 4 with Gammoth and Glavenus in sunbreak... Thanks for asking :)
@@JustJohn43 My first game was technically tri, but I didn't truly start playing until 3U, so I completely agree with you on having 3rd gen nostalgia and missing some of those forgotten monsters. I also share the same sentiment with you about Gore Magala, if he were to come back, the frenzy virus would need to play an important role otherwise it would seem forced
I wanna see Gore Magala and Shagaru Magala make a return since mh4u was how I got into the series. Honestly there’s a lot of Gen 4 monsters I want to see make a return, like zamtrios, seltas, and malfestio
for me, dunno why but I really wish to see the Najarala again. That, or another "big snake" monster, which feels like its missing somewhat. And overall, more neopterons/temnocerans. Big creepy crawlies are great as an alternative to more lizards, dinos and dragons.
I have no problem with almost any flagship monsters. Except rathalos. That thing can die in the most horrible, gruesome way imaginable and I wouldn't bat an eye about it
The problem with the Magalas is its story/lore significance. I would love for it to make a return, but it needs to be significant in the story as well, without stealing the spotlight from the main game's flagship. It's impact is in a much larger scale, infecting monsters with the frenzy virus. If it ever does return, it would need to be a big event for it to actually shine.
I've been of the mind that when the Magalas do return, it should be as the stars of a title update. It would be an event that would take place after the game's main story, so no need to worry about overshadowing the new flagship and final boss elder dragon. You could throw in frenzied versions of a handful of monsters as build-up to fighting them.
Flagships that invented particular elements should probably stick around. Having blast but no brachy is... weird. It's almost insulting when an older monster steals that spotlight. Looking at you, Teostra. Same went for bleed but no steve (which is making a graceful return). There's an odd abundance of electric flagships though. We have 3 of them yet we mostly just get Zinogre. I know they tried to get lagi in world but because the engine was wank it never happened so i'm not quite sure what the excuse is with rise since we have almudron running around. I must say though, sunbreaks highlight returning monsters of late have just been flagships. First astalos, now steve? What's next, gore? So I can definitely see where people are coming from.
Brachy is a tricky one because he did introduce the "blast" mechanic, but it was slimeblgiht in 3U and it was changed to blast in gen 4. So, in one sense he pioneered it, but in another sense, blast belongs to multiple monsters. Plus, I would be really surprised if they brought back Gore in Sunbreak as well. Given they have already brought Seregios back, plus Mizutsune (in Rise) and now Astalos too, it would be very surprising. But hey, I could definitely be wrong xD
i won't mind too much if they add more variants with new move set, just like Coral Pukei-Pukei in Iceborn, the new water attack just make it likes i fight actual new monster instead of just something more aggressive and more HP.
Great vid as always! This was very informative and interesting. Tbh, most of the monsters actually seem to be ok in terms of overstaying their welcome. But I will say it would be kinda nice if Diablos could take a backseat for a while XD Also by any chance you two have Discord? Was wondering if you ever plan to make a server I could join :3
Heh, yeah. They've already killed his streak of being in every MH in gen 4, but now we could use another break from him. Also, I added a link to our Discord in the description if you want to join it. It's nothing much at the moment as we haven't spent much time working on it yet, but we definitely intend to in the future!
Nargacuga is my all time favourite monster, but I was fine with not seeing him in 4U. When it comes to the the next game, I think I'd prefer if the returning monsters are mostly ones we haven't seen in the spotlight as much, my main hopes being some Tri monsters and Hypnocatrice.
While I think Rathalos/Rathian are fine for the same reason Pikachu is fine for Pokémon, I feel re-using the old monsters is fine so long as there's some sort of new touch to a familiar face - Such as a new variant with lore as to why the monster is that way. I place more value into innovating honestly, so creating new monsters relative to the environment (Vaal Hazaak was a perfect example of this and paired with the Veil perfectly). Introducing side quests with nostalgia hits is also nice IMO so long as they're not over-done either. Fatalis appearing at Castle Schrade in IB for instance was great, and to see either white or crimson appear in a later game is something I could get behind.
I'd say the problem is more so that when a new MonHun is on the horizon you get all these posts begging for previous monsters to return instead of adding new monsters. Would be more interesting to see which mon hun has the most new monsters and sub monsters. I'm more attached to good hunting than I am seeing the same hunts over and over, learning new monsters is a lot of fun. I do have a soft spot for the raths though.
I really liked World’s approach to introducing new monsters in the base game, then bringing back fan favorites in the expansion. It really gave the new monsters room to breathe and become iconic in their own right. I consider Odogaron, Anjanath, and Bazelgeuse to be “pseudo-flagships” because of their prevalence in the game and the fact that they got carried over (except Odogaron) to the next game. I can’t think of any particularly memorable new monsters in Rise. I’ve heard that Goss Harag sort of fills that role, but the dev team clearly didn’t think so because he didn’t get a new form in Sunbreak. I was personally more excited to see Zinogre, Mizutsune, and Rajang than any of the new monsters, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to force them to compete with old fan favorites right off launch.
Honestly wouldn't mind mizutsune being present in all future games, the color theme sets it apart from the other monsters, and is honestly one of the most beautiful monster designs.
I think the flagships are prevalent partly because they teach all those new players something. Nargacuga and Seregios teach hunters to stay on their feet at all times, Tigrex to a greater extent and Barioth to a lesser one. Zinogre, Gore, Magnamalo, and Brachy teach the player how to adapt to new, powerful foes, like how Brachy's punching adds new layers to the fight or Zinogre's flips and Gore's staggered swipes create chaos. The Raths teach them to... make flash bombs; all jokes aside, they are a rewarding challenge for all quest ranks. Those that return do so because they provide valuable lessons to those new players and, if lucky, teach old ones to adapt to a new environment like SunRise (though Zinogre is really getting boring).
Zinogre is my fav monster from MH franchise, so i dont mind he is in every single game, but i also would like some new monsters, some times it feels like they are using the old ones as a sorry excuse for not adding new ones Google translator kinda
I agree that flagships have started to become overused (although Zinogre is my favourite monster and I always love seeing him), I feel like there are a lot of non-flagships that return too much as well. The most notable one for me is Barroth who has been in every game aside from 4u since he was released in 3rd gen. I fucking hate Barroth, stop putting him in. Please. I beg you.
@@funjukebox1324 1, 1G, Dos, Portable 2, Freedom Unite, 4, 4U, Gen, GenU, Rise, Sunbreak. He was in 11, of 16 Games. Unless hes not getting a MR Version like Deviljho in Iceborne, but thats unlikely.
@@Sunaki1000 Deviljho didn't have a master rank version right? But we got Savage jho instead. Damnnn, khezu has been in a lot of games but that makes sense since he's one of the OGs
I think a good mix would be good. Have a the starting roster of a new game be mostly new monster. Then you can roll out some of the old monsters in patches and make them more than cannon fodder. I like seeing old monsters but there is also a large list of beloved monsters that don't get to see the light of day! Also I agree on giving rathian and rathalos a pass. Although I'd be fine if they left out the variants. Although dreadking/queen are really neat so they can have some more love 🤣
Rathalos is not just a flagship, but basically the mascot for the whole monster hunter series, with him comes Rathian, because the two monster is a pair. I think they'll always have a place in every MH game. The rest? I could totally live without having to hunt Diablos in every new game. And I hope the Zinogre problem will sort itself out. So far Zino was the only fanged wyvern, but now they added much more fanged wyverns into the game, so I hope it means that they can put the thunder dog to rest a bit.
I think there are a definitely a few flagships that could stand to miss some games. Mainly Narga, Tigrex, Zino, and Brachy as others have said. What I’d like to see is an Mh game that wipes the slate completely clean. Rathalos and Rathian would be there, obviously, but most everything else would be original.
@@AstonMartinGT5 Very fair point. I think some people put too much emphasis on the sheer number of monsters in the roster as a measure for how good the game is going to be, and that's just not a good way to judge the game. I would much prefer quality over quantity in terms of the monsters I am fighting.
@@BakeNation_MH definitely just bringing 2 or 3 back is enough let the rest be new there will always be new games where they come back or come back in the G rank expansion
Well, I guess Capcom is also taking into account new players. I started playing in World and at that point I had never seen a Diablos, obviously. I'm glad he was in the game cause it's one of the monsters that had a big impact for me.
The real problem with having all this returning monsters is that the new one are usually low or at best mid tier, so they get overshadowed by the stronger returning one that we end up hunting way more because they are harder. For example in Rise near all the new monster are low tier, the one that aren't are Almudron (a shit monster so it barely counts) Magnamalo and Goss Harag, mid tier monster and the only end game tier are the Ibushi and Narwa
TBH i think MHR was more made for the people who couldnt play MHW+ICE. Most of the returning Monsters where in MHW and because of that we might have this kind of way thinking that the flagships need to take a break. Because i fought most of the Monsters in Rise alot in MHW so i kinda got to dry form me to fast. but i still engjoyed because of the combat and overall feeling but would have liked it more if there wasnt MHW before Rise
I will never be tired of seeing thunder puppy. Zinogre, Stygian, Jho and Rajang are my favourite monsters of all time and I hope to Fatalis that they are never left out of the future games
I'd much rather see new invaders tbh. Bazelgeuse is more interesting to me than goku and pickle. I'd be okay with zinogre if they did more variants but only having one which they dont put in every game and is extreamly late game sucks. I didnt even know he was in World cuz I never got far in iceborne. I just wish to see Gore Magala and maybe Great Jaggi back
There should be a massive game of Monster Hunter, a so-called “Smash Ultimate” of Monster Hunter, where everyone is there. A Monster Hunter World on steroids. If you loose essential monsters like Rathalos, it’s like having a Pokémon game without its mascot, Pikachu. We need a massive local that leads to multiple other areas known in older games, and monsters that are underwater variants could have some touch ups in underwater combat controls to make it worthwhile. Bring it all in! All the gigantic monsters! All the deviant forms!
I would love to see new monsters, there are so many things they could do with new skeletons to work with, subspecies don't bother me too much because they're just a small variation.
I would be fine seeing Zinogre, Tigrex, and Nargacuga take a back seat for a bit, but the Rath's need to stay in my eyes. I saw people having this same discussion one day, and someone worded it the best way I could think. "Having a Monster Hunter without Rathian or Rathalos is like having a Pokemon game without Pikachu. It just wouldn't be right."
I think you scew the numbers a bit by separating world and iceborne, they're not separate games, Iceborne is an expansion you can't play on its own, of course everything in world will also be in iceborne. Probably should have done something like MHW/IB
My first monster hunter is monster hunter 2, my favourite is Kushala, for me he represent perfect defense, metal shell, wind barrier and his incredible flight ability. I heard a lot of hate from other hunters, i think it's because it's annoying, it never land, they can't touch it, it's very tough, but that's exactly why it's an amazing Elder Dragon. "The best defense is a good offense" Kushala laughs at that
3:24 I love how you have Chameleos icon be invisible just like he is during the other games with his constant camo. Amazing attention to detail right there!
My ideal my game is like 80/20 split 80% new 20% old. But I'd like the old monsters to be odl monsters we havent seen in a long time. Have some variants and subspecies maybe some rare species too.
Personally I don't mind the flagship monsters returning, but good god they just get boring to fight because they spam the same moves. Especially the Raths. Actually only the Raths. They get so boring jesus christ. I love hearing my character yell "WATCH OUT" 5 times in a row because the raths just spam the tail moves... sigh
Honestly world did amazing! With only a small bunch of old world monsters present in the New World to open the gates for a completely new roster, wish the next gen game does something similar by implementing new biomes outside of plain forests and deserts and with them comes a brand new roster of monsters
I think the only flagship that could either take a break or get a break is Rathalos. He's the only flagship to never have his own theme (his main theme is a watered down Fatalis' and map themes) and I can't remember him winning in promo materials anymore. Challenged by Astalos, and killed by Malzeno.
Regarding Nargacuga not getting more love in Iceborne is probably due to the fact whatever plans Capcom had for him were scrapped when they decided to work on Fatalis for the final title update, according to one of the devs (I forget who) their plans involved something new for one of the monsters in the game... It was gonna be Narga 100% if you ask me since every other "relevant" monster in IB had some sort of Sub/Rare species or Variant like Raging Brachy, Furious Rajang, Stygian Zino, Brute Tigrex, Frostfang Barioth, the Metal Raths, Ruiner Nergi.... etc, they were also gonna touch on the lore behind Safi'jiiva and his connection to Alatreon apparently but instead we got Skinny... Another thing is that I personally don't think that the problem lies in the number of times a monster reappears but rather the frequency in which they do, say if the same monster makes an appearance in 3 consecutive MH games (excluding expansions) it gets to a point where you just expect them to always appear and makes their reappearance less special, meanwhile when a monster skips a game or two before making an reappearance that makes that reappearance more special and appreciated... say for example Tigrex who has made so many appearances that it got to a point where when you see him it's like "oh of course it's Tigrex again" meanwhile a monster like Monoblos that had a lot of appearances in 1st and 2nd gen his absence from 3rd gen made his 4th gen appearance special.
I can feel the sense of specialty when it came to Chameleos. When he wasn't in Worldborne, but he was in Rise, I was extremely excited to fight him because he is my favorite of the three and would be a fresh empierce in fifth gen
For sure! That's bound to happen as well. The flagships are just made to be these incredible and memorable monsters, especially compared to some of the other regular monsters in the game.
Here’s my list of monsters I would love to fight and get armour of in the new/future games: Rathalos’s fate is to be in every single game and I’m not gonna fight that. (This is the only exception. Oh and Rathians.) We keep getting Khezu but no Gigginox? Why? I never got the game that has it and I would like to fight that since Khezu always comes back. So why not? and I would like to see the new people/players experience the Gigginox as well. I want to see people’s reaction to it. I would like to fight Rust Kushala (idc about the normal Kushala. I never got the chance to fight rust Kushala) Lunastra. Even though she was super annoying and rage inducing in world/Iceborne, for some reason I wouldn’t mind seeing her again. Molten Tigrex and Grimclaw together would be cool to have. I don’t want or care about normal Tigrex since I’ve fought it so many times. I’ve only fought Molten once in 4U and it was too hard for me in that game with the clunky old controls. I Never got to fight Grimclaw and I didn’t want to with the slower controls in the older games. I would absolutely love to fight lucent Nargacuga. I never got 3U so it’s a brand new monster to me. I would also like to fight silver and green Nargacuga together in the same game. The only experience I’ve had fighting or using green nargacuga was in the monster hunter stories games and I would like to experience it in a game that isn’t a spin off. I don’t care about the Barioths but I wouldn’t mind taking on the sand barioth since that one feels less loved in general. I would like to fight all the Laggi’s (Lagiacrus’s). Especially the Abyssal one I have never got to experience fighting that one. Ivory is too op in the monster hunter stories games and lots of people used it because of that. So I’m not too fond of ivory because it was so overused in those games. But I’m up to experience it in an non spin off game. I am tired and bored of Zinogre. It’s my friends favourite monster which is fine and all but I’m getting sick and tired of having to get its armour for my friend in every single game or see them always have it. They always have to get its armour because they love it too much and it’s just tedious, boring, predictable and too repetitive. I would like to see and help my friend try to get some new armour instead of the same shit over and over again. I’m not annoyed of Brachy yet (Brachydios) Gore Magala was and still is my favourite monster of all time and I miss it. My first ever Monster Hunter game I got was 4 or 4U and it was really cool in those games. They didn’t put it in the first Monter Hunter Stories game even though the game had Gore Magalas frenzy virus mechanic thing in it, which was disappointing. Then years later they announced the second Monster Hunter Stories game and again they didn’t put it in that game either. It really sucks because I would of loved to have had a buddy Gore Magala to fight with in those games. I never got to fight Chaotic Gore Magala so I would really like to experience that. Idc about normal and Acidic Glavenus since I’ve fought those two so much in World/Iceborne. Hellblade though I only fought once or twice and never got to really try and get its armour or weapons so I would like to try and do that in a new game. I’m satisfied with Mizutsune and I feel like it’s got enough love for now and I wouldn’t be upset if that one took a break from being in a couple of games. I’ve fought normal Astalos enough. I didn’t get to really experience the boltreaver astalos so I would like to fight that one some more. I’ve never cared about Gammoth and I still don’t care about that one. I would love to fight Valstrax especially its other forms or new future forms. I was really hoping it was gonna get put in Iceborne to experience it in that game but that didn’t happen. I don’t care about the Diablos’s and wouldn’t miss it if it got replaced by all the Monoblos’s for a game or two. I think there is a white Diablos (not sure) if there is a white Diablos I would like to fight that one since i haven’t experienced the white one. Nergi (Nergigante) was cool but I don’t miss it. I don’t care about Velkhana and I’ve had enough of fighting Velkhana in World/Iceborne. I wouldn’t mind if Magnamalo stayed as a Rise exclusive monster. There’s a lot of really cool monsters that have been left behind and forgotten in Monster Hunter Online and I don’t understand why they don’t bring those monsters into the main games. What’s the point of getting the new games if most of the monsters they put in are ones we’ve already fought and experienced in the previous game or have fought so many times in the recent past games? It’s just repetitive predictable slaps of copy and pasting with just new maps and mechanics. Pokémon is just as bad but at least they try to add multiple new monsters for every new generation to spice things up, instead of the monster roster being 70-90% the same every game.
- I would also LOVE to see Gigginox, Lagi, Rust Kushy would be cool, Sand barioth (I hope he is in Sunbreak because we literally have Sandy Plains), Molten, lucent, Gore. There isn't a white diablos, but there is a white Mononblos which would be neat to see again. Lastly, the reason Capcom has not brought over stuff from MHOnline is because the game wasn't actually developed by Capcom. MHOnline was developed by Tencent Games and backed by Capcom.
I feel like you need to mention that zinogre also gets an apex in 4u (not many monsters have them they get some moves from variants and are generally tougher to fight on top of bouncing without wystones unless you attack weak spots..) Just to make sure everyone knows that zinogre is like overdone. he's like the new rathalos. Also diablos has an apex form in 4 giving it black diablos moves because yes.
As someone who has started since World, I only know Nargacuga, Tigrex and Zinogre being repeat flagship mons. As in, I've seen them in both World and Rise. Sure, Rathalos, but Rathalos is like the Ryu. He's going to be in it whether you like it or not. If anything, I appreciate the Rise was able to up his threat level so that he feels appropriately dangerous, compared to World where he was kinda mid-level. Personally I like Zinogre and Nargacuga. It's Tigrex I don't like, and it's mostly due to how they set him up. Because he was the first with his particular model/skeleton, he tends to be set up as one of the highest-level threats, while Nargacuga and Barioth are encountered earlier. But Tigrex doesn't feel all that special compared to them. After dealing with the tail needles and rage of Narga, or the blizzard tornados of Barioth, a crawling T-rex who shoves rocks at you doesn't feel special. All that said, I'd love to see more Flagships from other games. I'm working to try out Valstrax before Sunbreak comes out, and I'm personally chomping at the beat to see a modern game rendition of Gore Magala, a monster I never got to fight. I would ALSO like to see some of the "final" bosses from other games, such as Nakarkos, Gogmazios, or Ahtal-Ka.
Technically, Iceborne doesn't have regular Nergigante. Iceborne content is only about Master Rank, and in Master Rank, we do not have regular Nergigante, only ruiner. If you do seperate base World and Iceborne as inidivudal games, I think you should also make that seperation here as well. I dunno about other games/monsters, as I've only played World and Rise.
rathalos and tigrex make sense to return in every series since rathalos is the pikachu of mh.. and why tigrex too? tigrex is supposed to be the flagship of the first mh but rathalos took the places so i give him a pass Lagiacrus should be return with underwater battle tho,, without underwater is just boneless lagiacrus
Tigrex design and body structure was made for the portable 2 series, he wasn't even in monster hunter dos, he was not supposed to be the flagship monster of the first mh game at all
Honestly, I'd be fine with another Zinogre IF THEY DID SOMETHING NEW WITH HIM!!! He's a monster that has a symbiotic relationship with thunderbugs! What if he instead learned to attract different kinds of bugs like the Toxic Kumori, the Dracophage bug or even something weird like the Blossom Cricket? If you wanna get really freaky, have it attack alongside a swarm of wild Kinsects! I'd pay money for the chance to fight a Zinogre using Kinsects AGAINST us!
I have two things to say about this: 1) I like seeing flagships because they are the most memorable. In their respective games, they are often a monster that brings a specific challenge unique to that monster. Due to this uniqueness, seeing flagships come back as late game heavy hitters is something that I appreciate. It makes sense that flagships are revered. 2) There IS a case to be made that focusing on using flagships shifts time and resources away from creating NEW monsters for the roster. The problem is that can also be said about ANY returning monsters.
Considering how much they improved Kushala in Rise, I would be happy to see him return in MH6. If it was the same version that appeared in W/IB then I would be okay with giving him a break, but I love Kushala in Rise so it would be a shame if they didn’t continue to improve on it and redeem him into the next game in my opinion. I would be okay with giving Tigrex a break though, because it’s not a very fun monster in my opinion. But I can’t complain if Rathalos/Rathian, Zinogre and Nargacuga appear in every game because they are fun to fight for the most part. But I guess I wouldn’t be mad if they didn’t return for a game if it means it would make room for brand new monsters that would be even better.
Probably nargacuga FEELS prelevant, despite being not quite, cause if it appears, it usually bolsters ctit gear, witch has been the cornerstone of all the builds in monster hunter and people farm this monster a lot.
How about just put every monster with every variant ever in and giving them the Rise treatment where they retooled their fights if they were badly designed, along with the new monsters they add in each generation. It's not like pokemon where they add 150 every damn generation either so there's no reason outside of maybe development time/budget why they can't. Problem solved, if it weren't for the fact that they just don't because it creates hype for the next game, plus Capcom is pretty stupid when it comes to a lot of things.
I think some flagships should be shelved for now while others get their time in the spotlight by reappearing in a few games. As many have said, Zinogre, Tigrex, and Nargacuga are ones that could sit out a few games. I'd love to see most of the Gen 4 flagships in immediate future games, and regarding the 5th Generation I wouldn't mind seeing Nergigante, Velkhana, and Malzeno in MH6.
If Lagiacrus doesn't make it into the next game after sunbreak, I'm officially handing in my resignation. See you later Monster Hunter. Your Lagiacrus is what bought me. And it is what will get me to quit if it doesn't show up again asap.
I think MHW/Iceborn was a perfect balance of new and old monsters tbh and it's why I liked it so much as it gave me new fave monsters I never expected like Odogaron, Tobi Kadachi, Vaal Hazaak, Banbaro, Fulgur Anjanath, Valkhana, Nergigante, Bazelgeuse, Shara Ishvalda, Namielle and Safi Jiva. So far with Monster Hunter Rise my fave new monesters have been Magnamalo, Somnacanth and Goss Harag... The reason I loved World is the fact that when you start the game it's an entirely fresh new region with alot of new monsters to experience and not too many returning monsters so it was a very exciting fresh experience. With MH Rise I feel like one of the issues is how many reused monsters there are and how badly the older gen monsters struggle to keep up with the hunters and wirebug mechanics due to their outdated movepools compared to the newer monsters native to MH Rise like Maganamalo who can really keep up with the hunters and the mobility. If the next MH World game is anything like the previous MHW title then I don't think we have to worry about seen alot of returning monsters and not enough new monsters tbh... I would be more concerned with seeing shitty Armor and Weapon designs again like base MHW 😆 💀
I am definitely going to make another video like this after Sunbreak!
I like Zinogre and Barioth ~ their design is so metal.. but i love their Counters Stygian Zn & frost fang. I think me despite only playing World + Ice _ Rise. I'm bored with same og narga altho i'd love to see its variants.. Stygian Zn really felt on par with Savage Deviljho coz they're hard hitting and fast. they gave best satisfaction of killing compared to regualr top teir non elder drags
Looks like 4th gen got a lot of love for the expansion
@@dygouken Indeed. Love to see it!
Should you mention apex forms from 4u? Not many monsters got those and they do change the moveset of the monsters a few of the mascots here got them one of really high note being zinogre.. i swear there's some favortism going on.
Man I miss Monoblos so much, I find his design and lore alot more interesting than Diablos, the term "Proof of a Hero" has its origin in Monoblos with Kokoto chief before the guild was established managed to slay a monoblos on his own and nowadays Hunters try to replicate it and solo a monoblos inorder to proof themselves a hero. So in short Monoblos has been done dirty for how important and meaningful it is
Wow, I never knew this, that's really cool!
Thats how you get the Chiefs weapon in the back of the house right?
The thing is Diablos have become 'too famous' that if they try to removed Diablos, some fans will complain. Yet the 2 way too similar, both have a more brute-style fighting method, both have not only the same skeleton, but also identical design, both even inhabits the same sandy or desert habitat and have the same cactus-based diet, so there's a risk of 'redundancy'.
Unless if they wanna make them both have a complete different traits aside from the amount of horns
Diablos is way more iconic than Monoblos so i doubt that will happen unless capcom changes the fight somehow to be more unique.
Hm. This makes me want a monoblos deviant
This is the same basic problem that fighting games run into with long running series and iconic characters. Fans scream that they're bored of the same characters over and over.
Then those same fighting games do a 'new generation' release. And almost ALL of them stumble and fall. People don't end up getting attached to a whole new cast when the oldie goldies aren't around.
That's why pushing a few new 'characters' along side a stable of popular returners became the norm. It's what most fighting games do. It's what MH does too.
That's a good way to look at it. Personally I just never get tired of the flagships, they're all so good!
I feel the same way. However, having too huge of a roster appearing in every single game will make that roster eventually go stale. Rathian and Rathalos are fine to have in every single game, they have always told me that "yes, this is indeed MH". Swapping the other monsters out for new ones should happen soon though. When meeting the same 10 monsters in every single game, they will go stale from lack of variation.
While this is a great lesson indeed, I'd argue that it's not exactly applicable in this situation.
In fighting games, the characters are controlled by the player. Removing a playable character from a fighting game is the equivalent of removing a weapon in Monster Hunter. Yes, the game is still playable, but if you main only one specific character, this will heavily impact the player. And depending on the player and your options, you might not be able to properly enjoy the game anymore.
Compared to that, having a monster or removing one is more comparable to removing a track in mario kart. Baby Park is peak Mario Kart track design, but I can still absolutely enjoy any mario kart games that don't have baby park in it.
@@blastimbre Well, personally I do feel it to be very similiar. In Monster Hunter specifically, fighting different Monsters changes how you approach the combat. You can go more aggressive, or might need to be more methodically and patient, depending on the monsters moveset. This is also very similiar to how different tracks in racing games work. Baby Park is very simple in it's track design (cant get any more simple than that), but very chaotic when it comes to item usage. In this map, your driving performance isn't as important as your awareness of your surrounding and item usage (no matter how much of a lead you have as the first place, you still have to deal with other people using stars, bullets and the like). On the other hand, Cloudtop Cruise will require much more of your driving skills to dodge the traps and exploit the various shortcuts and benefits the map has to offer.
The monsters in Monster Hunter Games have a similiar effect to the player. A Rakna-Kadaki serves mostly as a punching bag (at least to me), so I can go all out with performing great combos and maximizing my damage output, but then comes an Apex Zinogre (electro doggo on crack) and I'm forced to adapt more of a hit-and-run playstyle.
Wether or not you do agree with that comparison though won't change my initial point I tried to make: Removing playable characters in a Fighting game is definitely not the same (gameplay wise at least) to removing Monsters in a Monster Hunter game.
But if you do have a better comparison/example regarding the monsters (and Mario Kart tracks), feel freel to share it with me :D
Edit: I would like to mention that, for me at least, having a track I do love in a new Mario Kart track is similiar to fighting an older Monster in a newer Monster Hunter game. Yes, there are different nuances, but the idea is mostly the same.
The issue with this comparison is that's a fighting game. Theyte characters not monsters. Monsters dont have a personality or a character
My main issue with constantly reusing flagships is that they eat into design space that could be filled with a new new, more interesting monster. As much as I like chameleos, his absence in world led to the creation of vaal hazak, which while not one of my favorite designs, is something new that we hadn't really seen before
I always thought MHGU hammered to death the idea that there are an arbitrary amount of monsters slots.
But then again this is coming from someone who only played 3 MH games to any significant capacity so far: MHFU, MHGU and MHWI.
In mhwi it was cool because you can experience them with a fresh look and fight, but in rise experiencing it again just got old real quick.
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Well it probably also has to do with carry-over, since older games could get away with porting monsters from previous games over with only some touch-ups, it wouldn't be as developer intensive to keep bringing back old monsters while still making new ones. it is more of an issue when making a bigger generational leap like with World where the jump in visual fidelity and changes to the game engine that would require a lot more work to bring back older monsters.
Personally I really liked Vaal Hazak, honestly preferred it over Chameleos.
I like both but I love chame more but I definitely get your point, wished they had swapped chame with Kush in World, so that it actually makes sense for them to be in the ancient forest design wise and so that we don’t have several elders just hogging the recess
Being honest, I’d let Zinogre rest so Lagiacrus could get more spotlight, feels like it got the short straw when talking about the Thunder Gen3 flagship
I would love that as well, lagiacrus has definitely gotten the short end of the stick
My one qualm with Lagiacrus returning is he will be gimped. Lagi is my favorite momster in the entire series by a healthy amount and I simply don't think he's recovered from the loss of water combat. Even the new moves he got don't make up for his lost water moveset. I'd legit prefer to wait for underwater hunting to return before we bring back Lagi daddy.
I don’t think he’s in a bad spot, Royal Ludroth has recovered very well after Rise despite being a mainly aquatic monster too, and Lagiacrus has the advantage of being able to borrow attacks from a subspecies whose whole concept is adapting to land combat
@@bluevern904 I must respectfully disagree, I actually find the modern Royal Ludroth to be quite bland far as his fight goes. Likewise for ivory Lagiacrus. But I suppose that's merely a matter of preference.
Zinogre is literally just a land lagiacurus
Rathalos is Monster Hunter's Charizard, I don't think it's going anywhere. But I definitely would love to see some of the less common monsters show up again, reworked and ready to shine. I love the flagship monsters, but seriously, shelf some of them for a game or two and let me get excited about the prospect of them showing up again.
I like it when they show up themtically you know? Where it makes SENSE for them to be where they are.
I'd more say Rathalos is Monster Hunter's Pikachu, but Zinogre is their Lucario, their Charizard, and their Incineroar all in one. Enough Zinogre already, please. You have other electric monsters.
I would say Rath is MH’s pikachu. Not too overly popular, but definitely kept in every game/gen. I heard someone call Zinogre is more of a charizard since he’s popular but I don’t think people are tired of the love it gets yet
@@topazshot88 oh hey we had the same comment basically
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I agree with the fact that some flagship overstayed their welcomes but Rathalos and Rathian should be in every Monster Hunter game for sure. For example, Zinogre is everywhere and in the few games he isn’t in everyone is acting as if this game is incomplete. They should try to bring more forgotten monsters like King Shakalaka or Hypnocatrice instead of constantly prioritizing fan favorites. (Especially King Shakalaka as they could do so much with him in a modern game)
I have never foguht a King Shakalaka yet, so that would be pretty interesting, plus, I would love to see Shakalaka back
@@BakeNation_MH They would fit well in Sunbreak because they are goblins!
Why not both? Lol zinogre doesn't take much effort to put in another game. More is better idk 🤷♂️
I liked what tri did cause it did kinda reset the board and introduce a ton new cool monsters that would become iconic later on.
The fact tha now every new monster hunter feels like it HAS to carry over like already 10 or 15 monsters from previous games really hinders its potential and struggles more to make the new flagships as memorable cause they always have to compete with the older ones
tri did good but I do think it shaved the board a little 'too' much, if I recall there were only 18 big monsters with no variants, and with a bunch of weapons being cut (Gunlance, Dual Blades, Hunting Horn, Bow and longsword only being available 'after' you've beaten Lagi) it made the game feel kind of barebones, the aditions made in portable and Ultimate both combated this though.
@@taloscal Actually in Tri GL, DB, HH, and Bow were flat out cut completely! The only extra weapon types you unlocked through progressing the story was the Switch Axe (which got its debut in Tri), and the LongSword. The rest of the weapons didn't come back till I believe Portable 3rd in Japan and 3U in the west
@@maddeeps5520 yeah that's what I meant, sorry I worded it wierdly XD you unlock the longsword and switch axe while the others were cut out.
I have infinite respect for the base game of Mhw for saying, “Im confident I will do well without all these monsters people love.” And it absolutely killed it
Then Ib came around and said “We got Narga, we got glavenus, we got tigrex and brachy, and we all know how much you guys love the thunder dog”
I still believe Ib is the pinnacle of the series, but it’s kinda obvious what they did with the flaghsips
Yeah, Iceborne's roster was almost like MHGen 2.0 with all the returning fan favorites that were added.
World had some absolute standouts for sure, but it wouldn't be fair to ignore compared to other mid game monsters, anjanath is kinda boring tbh. He's a fire breathing t Rex, very aggressive, and that's more or less all. Beyond that he feels almost like a diet glavenus, complete with throat exploding and tail swings, though his use feathers not a sword.
I haven’t made up my mind in Iceborne is the pinnacle, but I can say that the inclusion of nargacuga and zinogre were disappointing to the extreme. I wanted new monsters, or old ones that I haven’t fought in a long time so their fights are fresh. I won’t get that with those flagships.
My one issue with iceborne is the alatreon fight. I feel like relying on gimmicks like escaton judgement takes away from the overall enjoyment. It forces you to use the same copy-paste safijiva build or kulve build in order to actually win. If they had made him more like his GenU counterpart, then iceborne would be without flaw in my opinion.
I don’t have a problem with meta gear but I just feel like it wasn’t necessary to force people to fashion armor builds for it. I have always been a more casual player, playing fashion hunter for the most part and worrying about builds later. It allowed me to play how It gave me freedom and any mistakes made were my fault so I adjusted as necessary. I feel like escaton judgement was interesting but the way it was implemented was kind of poor.
With Astolos returning in Sunbreak theres a good chance we might have Steve also returning.
I really hope we get Steve, it's one of the monsters I want to return the most!
Whos Steve?
@@TufanK93 Apologies, Steve is a nickname given to Seregios. I honestly don't know why, but it is
@@BakeNation_MH oh i didnt know that 😅😂
@@BakeNation_MH it was cause at a panel or convention Steve was debuted the crowd ask for the monsters name. But capcom didn't have a name for it yet. So they jokingly said his name was Steve and it just stuck.
Rathalos should appear in every single Monster Hunter game
Also steve is underused
I agree 100% on both of these!
Good ol steve
I highly doubt Rathalos won't appear in every game that will be like a Pokemon game without pikachu
@@thecorruptedgamer7032 i agree
Steve will be back in a few weeks though! :)
I just think that they need to add more new monsters rather than the old ones. If they can do that then bringing the old ones back is fine to me.
This is fair, I do love seeing me some new monsters!
I think you should’ve given special attention to a certain few other monsters. Namely, the ones that I like to call,
The Invader Trio!
Rajang, Deviljho, and Bazelguese!
And the original trio diablos rathalos and rathian should keep appearing
@@dripdimetrodon4391 it was a quadrio everyone forgets about poogie.
@@dripdimetrodon4391 I'm so sick of diablos tbh. They could totally give monoblos or any other monster like gammoth the "raging brachy or amatsu treatment" where they totally got a complete makeover in their fight and spectacle. Just my opinion tho
Here's a weird one, Lagombi. He appears in p3rd and 3u, then was the only bear to appear in 4/4u, then even picked up a deviant in gen/gu, he skipped world but came back in rise. I think he has the best record of all non flagships besides deviljho, and even he missed a game. Wonder why he's so prevalent, must be really popular in japan.
Nice example, Lagombi certainly does show up a ton in these games, for better or worse, and it's interesting considering it doesn't seem too important, per se.
@@BakeNation_MH I feel like Lagombi is a good beginner monster that adds variety to the type of monsters available.
What about Diablos?
Hes been in MH1, MH2, MH3, MH4, MHGen, MHWorld, MHRise, MH Stories and MH Stories 2.
Hes been in every single game exept in Base MH4 but he was in 4 Ultimate still.
@@draw2death421 Diablos wasn't actually in vanilla Gen, only added in GU, but yeah he's super common , though missing 4 and gen actually makes his record equal to lagombi so far. He's kind of treated as a pseudo flagship, even promoted to a full one with bloodbath so I figure that's why he comes back a lot.
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I wouldn't really count the expansions as seperate games. This makes it so you realise for example nargacuga has only been missing in MH4 and Diablos is in every game. In the complete package of all games they are almost always present.
I like the fact that you used both pronunciations of Tigrex. As a person who met him in MHFU and stuck to the “T-Rex” approach instead of the “Tiger” one, it made me feel more welcomed in a community where EVERYONE CALLS HIM “TIE-GREKS”
Part of having the same monsters in the game over and over again is that the balance of elements ends up following a very similiar path every single game. Personally I just want want a game that focuses on all of the weird under represented monster types like neopterons, carapaceons, temnocerans, amphibians, piscines and snakes.
I would love to see some more snake wyverns, all we have is Najarala and Tidal Najarala. At least in rise we got a new temnoceron with Rakna Kadaki
I would love to see snake wyverns make their return in sunbreak. They could do some cool stuff with them coiling around you requiring wirebugs to escape from.
@@gamecavalier3230 Snake wyverns are a class of wyverns possessing a snake-like body structure. As far as I know, najarala and tidal najarala are the only snake wyverns right now.
@@gamecavalier3230 I didn't know about them either them until playing GU recently. It's a cool skeleton that I'd love to see return for a new monster.
@@gamecavalier3230 I'm close to hitting G-rank myself. You've got plenty of good stuff to look forward to.
Another thing of note is that Zinogre was the only fanged wyvern until 5th gen, I think he was a great addition for a long time because of the variety he brought but with more monsters in the category now he should take a seat for a game.
The monster I've been really tired of is brachy, he steals the spotlight from a lot of other brute wyverns and he hasn't gotten a break in a long time, I'm hopeful to not see him in sunbreak. Outside of those two I'm not really tired of any flagships.
Indeed. As much as I love both of them, it's hard to defend them when they've both been in so many of the Monster Hunters.
I feel like they only come back for weapon balancing purposes, we historically havent had many blast weapons and when it comes to thunder the only good weapons are Lagis and Zinogres and it seems like the dev team dont like Lagi all that much, either that or they dont want to use Lagi cause they cant really implement Abyssal.
I feel you
For Fanged Wyverns, I feel they're lizards like the Great Jagras
I saw that first before Zinogre, and I never knew they were made in the 3rd generation
So I'm happy MHW IB has plenty of Fanged Wyverns, however I wish Odogaron returned in rise instead of Tobi
Because he's abused by 3 monsters
Odo would pick a fight with almost any monster, imagine if Odo had a similar fight with Magno like Luna and Garan, but Magno wins because of Hellfire
Zinogre was technically the only Fanged Wyvern (excluding Stygian), in terms of skeleton re-use, there are also the Magalas.
@Plain Water the only 2 brutes with their variants in mh4u
I was sad there were only 2 of them
Fortunately a few years later I had a dream Uragaan was in it
His intro was him eating rocks inside a shed and as soon as he saw your character in the game, he got angry and roared ready for a fight
Gore magala would be a perfect DLC monster for a mh game because it would separate him from the main story and allow him to take the reigns for an endgame system
The fact the flagship monsters keep returning is actually what drives the new monsters to keep having creative designs. You won't make a knockoff Rathalos if he's already in the game. That's why Seregios has so many fast sweeping attacks and Astalos will just punch you across the map, there is a need to make them different. The same people wanting to bench these are probably the same people that think Radobaan and World Lavasioth are unique fights.
When I saw Radobaan for the first time, the only thing I could think about was how sad I was there was an uragaan clone. While obviously not the same exact fight, the similar properties are there
This really doesnt make sense cause even if they were gone new monsters would take their place and they wouldnt nexessarily have to be similar, like bazelgeuse becoming the new deviljho or athal ka becoming the new final boss.
The fact that you want both and not just one of the other just ends up giving less resources to the new monsters since they also need to bring back every fan favourite one
@@pandinus1377 that's pretty dumb why would a flagship monster replace atlal ka? You really think having Nargacuga prevents that?
@@PraiseChika its an example not literal, im saying that if a monster gets cut for a game its replacement is usually something original or different and not straight up the same thing
@@pandinus1377 well something like Bazel and Jho have comparable roles as invaders but fight you in very different ways, Monsters that would replace/block each other from appearing would be more like the Khezu/Gigginox or the recently revealed Almudron Subspecies/Agnaktor (assuming Agnaktor doesn't appear, which is the assumption due to the recent subspecies reveal)
I have to say, I feel this a lot with the Gen 2 elder dragon trio. 4U was the first game I played with them in it, since I started the series with Tri, but MAN did 4U leave me feeling burned out on them with how many things needed large elder dragon gems for their final upgrade. And then at least two of the three have been part of the end game for every monster hunter since then. I like what Rise did with their fights, but even then I'm still kind of feeling the burnout from fighting them in so many games. I would genuinely be thrilled if the next Monster Hunter had fewer elder dragons in general, and rounded out its endgame with more rare subspecies of non-elders. There's a lot of really fun low-tier and mid-tier monsters that I would love to fight end-game versions of. I would genuinely have the time of my life if one of the hardest fights in a Monster Hunter game was some god-tier Great Jaggi subspecies. Give me a Great Jaggi rare subspecies that kicks my 24 year old, veteran hunter ass even more than the Tri demo disk Great Jaggi kicked my 12 year old noob ass.
I really love Rare Species, and they might be my favorite alternate form of monsters. I really wish Capcom would bring them back because they are absolutely amazing fights.
I share the same sentiment. I also started in tri and grinded out the endgame of mh4u, you needed elder dragon gems for literally everything and I got tired of them fast. Apex system made them even less bearable in mh4u, then in mhgen there were so many monsters to the point where I didn't have to farm them. Then came MHW and Kushala and teostra were back. again. I'm still playing Iceborne right now, but the amount of kushala and teostra hunted are almost the bare minimum I needed for armor. I'll do everything I can to not have to fight kushala again. Then the duo (because the most fun fight got taken out of games) appeared in mhrise. again. I'm getting real tired of them. Not only are they prominent, but they almost can't be ignored because elder dragons are such a big part of the endgame.
We need to bring back Dire Miralis and Gogmazios
Low and behold, if that Sunbreak road map is any sign it seems Capcom got the memo on rare species.
@@Andyjoe522 Woohoo Lucent!
I guess for nargacuga it's more the nargacuga meta that people are sick of rather than it appearing in multiple games.
Especially with Rise where it felt rather useless to use any other weapon than nargacuga for it's sharpness, ofcourse it's only high rank but it still bummed me out that my favorite weapon designs couldnt get the great stuff narga's weapons have
Just watch , same things gonna happen with seregios
@@Paradox1012 Yeah, atleast the seregios weapons have awesome designs
Nargas weapons have almost always been top tier, or almost top tier since his first appearence in portable 2nd g/freedom unite. Having purple sharpness, decent slots, and high crit were well worth the tradeoff for a lil less in raw attack. Plus having purple sharpness and high crit could easily make up the difference in power. Also they eliminated the "need" for handicraft, often a very difficult skill to get. Steve weapons are similar, but have a bit more raw, less crit rate, and have a sharpening mechanic from dodging.
@@patrickleblanc613 So I'm not crazy for wanting a change in what's on top for once xD
@@ThijsTrials i wanna see them bring back some of the better diablos weapons. Cera cymmetry, diablos chaos broker to name a couple. But yeah, a change in the "meta" would be nice. Problem is, narga and steve weapons have a setup that makes them extremely reliable. With good positive crit rate and slots, the weapons are already good, but purple sharpness is the icing on the cake, especially since its one of the most coveted things to have on a weapon because of its modifiers. They would either need to either nerf the weapons, create even more reliable weapons with even more broken stats, or alternatively they could either adjust the current monsters defenses against raw damage or bring in new ones more resistant to it. Make them more susceptable to element damage. That could change things abit if done right. Now there are skills that can and will help other weapons combat and even excel narga and steve weapons in power and usefulness, problem is those weapons often need certain skills allocated to start getting the same result or better, such as having purple sharpness, good crit rate, meanwhile nargas and steve have all of that basic goodness built in, so they can focus on other skills to boost damage output instead. Such as crit boost and tenderizer. A constant uptime of 140% crit damage increase every hit instead of 125% is broken
I like a lot of these momsters, but I wouldn't mind Diablos or Zinogre taking a break once in a while, just to make room for some fresh blood. Obviously the Raths have to say because... well, because they're the Raths, but others can take a day or two off me thinks.
I feel the exact same way
Zinogre is an evergreen monster for me cause it’s moveset always gets slight changes and it’s very varied however I’m tired of tigrex and rathalos and narga, their weapons and armor have always been great but it just lets people rely on grinding those specific monsters for good gear. I’d literally just split their armor abilities onto lesser fought monsters to incentivize their fights or unique new monsters.
Nooo not tigrex. You can't take him from me. You don't know him how I do. Tigrex is not up for debate. Good day sir
Those monsters are honestly too iconic and unique to not be included. Tigrex has a cool design and while Nargacuga is more tame, the way he moves and the sounds they make are unique enough. Same for Zinogre. If anything, they kinda show how tame some new monster designs are in MHW when compared to new comers
Eh, Zinoger’s bowgun weapons have been op/ very good in a lot of the recent games. Stygian and Zinoger in world were the top of spread hbg till safi and Fatty and Zin was the second best but the most versatile pierce hbg in GU and in rise it is the best slicing gun. But yeah rath keeps getting the best armour of the lot to my dislike
@@Ritsu362 tame? Like have you seen Rakna? Or shara. Honestly Tigrex is plain, he is a simple fight and that is often the charge of him. Narga is more agile and takes attacks in a different route and while Zin is zin you can’t tell me that monsters like Odo don’t have fun fights and really carry the mantle of fanged beast well
@@victory8928 anjanath: deviljho lite with a little fire
Banbaros: deviljho except he’s fat and is actually a moose?
Tobi kadachi was pretty cool except they reused him. orange tobi and red tobi and black tobi lol
Jyuratadous- what if lavasioth/plesioth used mud instead? 😳 also the ice version whose name I forget.
Legiana also looks kinda lame even if they have some cool ice attacks.
Royal ludroth- I mean great jagras
Also, Nergigante is a cool fight but he’s not as interesting as Velkhana or the other Elders
Val Hazak was cool tho. Shara ishvalda is absolutely one of my favorite monsters. So crazy looking, I love it when they break the mold and look really weird, kinda like Nakarkos or Ibushi from rise. Namielle also looks cool with the way they fights. Honestly, the elder dragons were all mostly cool. It seems like half were kinda meh which isn’t usually the case when compared to newcomers in most other MH games
Also, I say Odogaron has a subdued design but he’s pretty cool to fight the first time. Definitely one of my favorite fights when I first started
Dude, I've been thinking the same thing
Let Rathalos, Rathian, Diablos, Kushala, Teostra, Tigrex, Nargacuga, and Zinogre, take a break
As for the Lunastra, Hypnocatrice, Yama, Vespoid Queen, Shen Gaoren, Lagiacrus, Gobul, Agnaktor and Duramburos return a few more times
Then let the Fated 5 come back too in Generation 6 and let there be more new monsters like MH Tri, only 3 returned and then MH3u, 5 original monsters were in it
So I truly agree
Rathalos is literally the flagship of mh as a series... why take it out?!
@@literallysafijiva alright, then leave the Rathas alone
But still take the other flagships out
@@liothetitanhunter7959 Fuck yeah let's re-introduce a bunch of monsters that require their own dedicated arena that don't overlap with other monsters, rely on features that don't exist in the game anymore or are literally vespoid but big
@@FlorkGnubbler yeah, Lavasioth got 3 mainline appearances in monster hunter
So why not bring him back? Or at least the other 2 Piscine wyverns
Even the Aka and Uka duo
And last the Molten Tigrex, only 1 appearance
Fated 5????? Who's the 5th???
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To be honest, I don’t mind what happens to the rest of these, but rathalos just seems so iconic and such a good basic monster I don’t wanna see it gone
Not a flagship but still a monster I think is worth mentioning is Deviljho. He's been an iconic monsters since his introduction in Tri, serving as one of the main invader monsters that can appear in your quest at any given time. Since his appearance in Tri, Deviljho had been a mainstay of the franchise, appearing in every single mainline game until getting cut from the roster in Rise. On top of that, he has his variant, the Savage Deviljho which appeared in 3U, 4, 4U, Gens, GU, and IB.
That being said, do I think he had overstayed his welcome? Not at all, because that's the point. The first lesson I taught my one friend when he first reached High Rank in 3U is to "always prepare for Deviljho," and that rule had stayed relevant ever since. Frankly, I'm disappointed his perfect attendance streak has ended with Rise. He could have been an actual invader as opposed to Rajang who mostly just sleeps when he's in a quest.
I acutaly see to benefits to giving monsters that have been showing up alot such as diablos, Zinogre, Tigrex and the elders like teostra and kushala a break for a game or 2,
The first benefit is it gives a chance to design and introduce new monsters to take their place and they could show of their creativity might even give a chance for a lot of frontier monsters to make the jump over.
The other is that when these monsters do show up you will make a lot off people extremely happy seeing there fan favourites showing back up and it helps build hype think back to when iceborne was showing off the returning cast people got so happy and exited,
You yeah I think it would be a good idea to give those monsters a break for a couple games might be good to mabye take ones like diablos and monoblos and have them swap places from game to game for variety
Alternatively they go the GU route and include almost everything, that's my personal vote, have more diversity in what you can fight and where in one game. Frontier also had that, just a huge assortment of greatly varied monsters
@@Lockz1111 well yeah my issue is that they show up in almost every game and it kind of takes away from the wow factor for me
As long as the monsters ai keeps getting better and their design keeps evolving, i dont mind seeing repeats. Just having them there does not take away from the creativity of new monsters. Nor should it. The more monsters the better. The only thing i dont care about is the low to lower-mid tier monsters. They can disappear for all i care. I have no love for the alpha versions of generic fodder-drome or drome similar species especially.
Short answer: Nope
Long answer: No. most flagships are among my favorite monsters. Zinogre and Tigrex will always have a place in my heart and every game they are in i love them
If there is one thing I want to see, it's to have Molten Tigrex reborn
@@BakeNation_MH Oh my god i would love that
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Nope. Because in every mh game the hunt feels different. My hunt with tigrex in fu is different in 4u and different in rise. Although it is fine to remove them for new monsters but still I hope that they will return for the next mh game.
Rath gotta be there. He's not just a flagship, he defines the series.
the fact that a monster as popular and as frequently present in all games as Diablos didnt make it in Generations of all games blows my mind lol
I know right, it's crazy!!!
This wouldn't be remotely a problem if the game by game roster hadn't been shrinking over the more recent generations. Literally who was complaining about seeing particular monsters too often before the Gen U to World transition and the roster getting decimated?
Mhwib has the same number of monsters as 4u (70). And rise has about half it's monsters out due to sunbreak not being released yet. It also has 41 btw in it's base game which is fairly large already. Idk what you mean by smaller roster. Nothings gonna be like genU. That was made specifically to have massive representation.
@@ritten7452 World had the smallest base roster since Tri and base rise has the smallest roster since portable 3rd. It's true that Iceborne added enough content over time that it came into line with recent non-generations performances but that was achieved over time considering 8 of those were added after the initial dlc. I don't necessarily think that it can be expected that Sunbreak will see as significant an increase, particularly without many of those monsters being added afterwards. Sunbreak is set to release almost half a year faster than Iceborne did, after all.
@@jahredharrison4069 world’s roster being smaller is very understandable due to the game being built from scratch and all the monsters being remodeled from scratch to have high poly count models to fit the home consoles and PC platforms higher graphical capabilities. Im sure moving forward the games will have larger rosters, as we can already see from Rise having 45 monsters in the base game.
@@AysarAburrub I understand and agree with that, but it is still a major factor in people getting tired of flagship monsters.
@@jahredharrison4069 Reguardelss of how long it took to get those monsters, my point was that the games have the same amount of monsters. The rosters arent smaller they just took time to add more.
Gore/Shagaru should definitely return, I think he deserves an HD model and modern animations/mechanics.
See lagi would've been in world, and also sunbreak but they've yet to figure out his collision issues due to his body touching far more ground surface than other leviathans. Fingers crossed that gen6 brings underwater back so the poor gator can return to the spotlight
I feel like Lagi touches the ground just as much if not less than Mizutsune and Royal Ludroth so I don't think that's the problem. I'm thinking the issue is more likely something to do with his long neck behaving in strange ways or interfering with terrain or something
Well I think monsters like rathalos and rathian can stay since they are the face of the franchise.
But I do kinda agree with the other ones
the reason why Lunastra hasn't shown up in many monster hunter games is because in second gen lunastra was just an easier Teostra for the village quests. i don't know why they did this, but it is the reason if my sources are to believe. it was in world where Lunastra was made to be it's own fight with different moves and mechanics. So we are most likely to see more of her as we move forward in Monster Hunter games
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I don't mind returning Monsters, I believe all flagships have a right to return to future games, and I also have my list of Monsters I want to return
What monsters in particular do you want to see return?
I have lots of nostalgia for 3rd gen Monsters with Tri being my first entry. So this includes Lagiacrus, Quoropeco, Gigginox and Agnaktor.
Gore Magala, as much as i'd like to bring him back, they'd need to make a big deal of it. This includes the frenzy, which was woven so nicely into the narrative of MH4U I feel just bringing him back would do him huge injustice.
But I'm hugely surprised that Seltas and his Queen haven't made a return, especially now we can have more complex monster interactions. I always loved how these two worked together and was MH4U's funnest fights.
And I think this has been said by many others before, but we have Glavenus... Mitzizune, Astalos on the horizon... Please complete the fated 4 with Gammoth and Glavenus in sunbreak...
Thanks for asking :)
@@JustJohn43 My first game was technically tri, but I didn't truly start playing until 3U, so I completely agree with you on having 3rd gen nostalgia and missing some of those forgotten monsters. I also share the same sentiment with you about Gore Magala, if he were to come back, the frenzy virus would need to play an important role otherwise it would seem forced
I wanna see Gore Magala and Shagaru Magala make a return since mh4u was how I got into the series. Honestly there’s a lot of Gen 4 monsters I want to see make a return, like zamtrios, seltas, and malfestio
There are a lot of gen 4 monsters that haven't come back, and I am hopeful that some of them will either in Sunbreak or MH6
for me, dunno why but I really wish to see the Najarala again. That, or another "big snake" monster, which feels like its missing somewhat. And overall, more neopterons/temnocerans. Big creepy crawlies are great as an alternative to more lizards, dinos and dragons.
I have no problem with almost any flagship monsters. Except rathalos. That thing can die in the most horrible, gruesome way imaginable and I wouldn't bat an eye about it
The problem with the Magalas is its story/lore significance. I would love for it to make a return, but it needs to be significant in the story as well, without stealing the spotlight from the main game's flagship. It's impact is in a much larger scale, infecting monsters with the frenzy virus. If it ever does return, it would need to be a big event for it to actually shine.
I've been of the mind that when the Magalas do return, it should be as the stars of a title update. It would be an event that would take place after the game's main story, so no need to worry about overshadowing the new flagship and final boss elder dragon. You could throw in frenzied versions of a handful of monsters as build-up to fighting them.
Flagships that invented particular elements should probably stick around. Having blast but no brachy is... weird. It's almost insulting when an older monster steals that spotlight. Looking at you, Teostra. Same went for bleed but no steve (which is making a graceful return).
There's an odd abundance of electric flagships though. We have 3 of them yet we mostly just get Zinogre. I know they tried to get lagi in world but because the engine was wank it never happened so i'm not quite sure what the excuse is with rise since we have almudron running around.
I must say though, sunbreaks highlight returning monsters of late have just been flagships. First astalos, now steve? What's next, gore? So I can definitely see where people are coming from.
Brachy is a tricky one because he did introduce the "blast" mechanic, but it was slimeblgiht in 3U and it was changed to blast in gen 4. So, in one sense he pioneered it, but in another sense, blast belongs to multiple monsters.
Plus, I would be really surprised if they brought back Gore in Sunbreak as well. Given they have already brought Seregios back, plus Mizutsune (in Rise) and now Astalos too, it would be very surprising. But hey, I could definitely be wrong xD
i won't mind too much if they add more variants with new move set, just like Coral Pukei-Pukei in Iceborn, the new water attack just make it likes i fight actual new monster instead of just something more aggressive and more HP.
Great vid as always! This was very informative and interesting. Tbh, most of the monsters actually seem to be ok in terms of overstaying their welcome. But I will say it would be kinda nice if Diablos could take a backseat for a while XD
Also by any chance you two have Discord? Was wondering if you ever plan to make a server I could join :3
Heh, yeah. They've already killed his streak of being in every MH in gen 4, but now we could use another break from him.
Also, I added a link to our Discord in the description if you want to join it. It's nothing much at the moment as we haven't spent much time working on it yet, but we definitely intend to in the future!
I personally like seeing them in the newer games. I just really want a nargacuga varient on par with raging brach in world and that theme.
Nargacuga is my all time favourite monster, but I was fine with not seeing him in 4U.
When it comes to the the next game, I think I'd prefer if the returning monsters are mostly ones we haven't seen in the spotlight as much, my main hopes being some Tri monsters and Hypnocatrice.
While I think Rathalos/Rathian are fine for the same reason Pikachu is fine for Pokémon, I feel re-using the old monsters is fine so long as there's some sort of new touch to a familiar face - Such as a new variant with lore as to why the monster is that way. I place more value into innovating honestly, so creating new monsters relative to the environment (Vaal Hazaak was a perfect example of this and paired with the Veil perfectly). Introducing side quests with nostalgia hits is also nice IMO so long as they're not over-done either. Fatalis appearing at Castle Schrade in IB for instance was great, and to see either white or crimson appear in a later game is something I could get behind.
I would love to have some of the rare species of the flagships make a reappearance, such as Lucent Nargacuga or Molten Tigrex!
@@BakeNation_MH I agree, stuff that's had hardly any presence in the series can do wonders to breathe new life into old monsters
I'd say the problem is more so that when a new MonHun is on the horizon you get all these posts begging for previous monsters to return instead of adding new monsters. Would be more interesting to see which mon hun has the most new monsters and sub monsters.
I'm more attached to good hunting than I am seeing the same hunts over and over, learning new monsters is a lot of fun. I do have a soft spot for the raths though.
I completely agree, the Monster Roster is not as a big deal for me as is the gameplay
I really liked World’s approach to introducing new monsters in the base game, then bringing back fan favorites in the expansion. It really gave the new monsters room to breathe and become iconic in their own right. I consider Odogaron, Anjanath, and Bazelgeuse to be “pseudo-flagships” because of their prevalence in the game and the fact that they got carried over (except Odogaron) to the next game. I can’t think of any particularly memorable new monsters in Rise. I’ve heard that Goss Harag sort of fills that role, but the dev team clearly didn’t think so because he didn’t get a new form in Sunbreak. I was personally more excited to see Zinogre, Mizutsune, and Rajang than any of the new monsters, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to force them to compete with old fan favorites right off launch.
Honestly wouldn't mind mizutsune being present in all future games, the color theme sets it apart from the other monsters, and is honestly one of the most beautiful monster designs.
I would totally be fine with having Mizu in every game
I think the flagships are prevalent partly because they teach all those new players something. Nargacuga and Seregios teach hunters to stay on their feet at all times, Tigrex to a greater extent and Barioth to a lesser one. Zinogre, Gore, Magnamalo, and Brachy teach the player how to adapt to new, powerful foes, like how Brachy's punching adds new layers to the fight or Zinogre's flips and Gore's staggered swipes create chaos. The Raths teach them to... make flash bombs; all jokes aside, they are a rewarding challenge for all quest ranks. Those that return do so because they provide valuable lessons to those new players and, if lucky, teach old ones to adapt to a new environment like SunRise (though Zinogre is really getting boring).
Zinogre is my fav monster from MH franchise, so i dont mind he is in every single game, but i also would like some new monsters, some times it feels like they are using the old ones as a sorry excuse for not adding new ones
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I agree that flagships have started to become overused (although Zinogre is my favourite monster and I always love seeing him), I feel like there are a lot of non-flagships that return too much as well. The most notable one for me is Barroth who has been in every game aside from 4u since he was released in 3rd gen. I fucking hate Barroth, stop putting him in. Please. I beg you.
I was actually going to include more monsters, such as Barroth, but I decided to simply leave it at flagships to keep them as the main focus.
He wasnt in 4, 4U, Gen thats not so much.
And why did you hate him? I find him perfectly fine, only Jade sucks, and maybe Worlds cause hes boring.
What about Khezu? How many games has he been in?
@@funjukebox1324 1, 1G, Dos, Portable 2, Freedom Unite, 4, 4U, Gen, GenU, Rise, Sunbreak.
He was in 11, of 16 Games. Unless hes not getting a MR Version like Deviljho in Iceborne, but thats unlikely.
@@Sunaki1000 Deviljho didn't have a master rank version right? But we got Savage jho instead. Damnnn, khezu has been in a lot of games but that makes sense since he's one of the OGs
Bring back my boys the magalas 😡 their designs are so good, their mechanic is unique, and their musical themes slap!
I think a good mix would be good. Have a the starting roster of a new game be mostly new monster. Then you can roll out some of the old monsters in patches and make them more than cannon fodder. I like seeing old monsters but there is also a large list of beloved monsters that don't get to see the light of day!
Also I agree on giving rathian and rathalos a pass. Although I'd be fine if they left out the variants. Although dreadking/queen are really neat so they can have some more love 🤣
Rathalos is not just a flagship, but basically the mascot for the whole monster hunter series, with him comes Rathian, because the two monster is a pair. I think they'll always have a place in every MH game.
The rest? I could totally live without having to hunt Diablos in every new game. And I hope the Zinogre problem will sort itself out. So far Zino was the only fanged wyvern, but now they added much more fanged wyverns into the game, so I hope it means that they can put the thunder dog to rest a bit.
I think there are a definitely a few flagships that could stand to miss some games. Mainly Narga, Tigrex, Zino, and Brachy as others have said. What I’d like to see is an Mh game that wipes the slate completely clean. Rathalos and Rathian would be there, obviously, but most everything else would be original.
This is something I thought would be really cool as well, just a clean slate and a completely fresh experience
Look what Mh tri did every Monster except the Raths & Diablos were New It had the smalest roster ever in a Mh game but it didnt matter
@@AstonMartinGT5 Very fair point. I think some people put too much emphasis on the sheer number of monsters in the roster as a measure for how good the game is going to be, and that's just not a good way to judge the game. I would much prefer quality over quantity in terms of the monsters I am fighting.
@@BakeNation_MH definitely just bringing 2 or 3 back is enough let the rest be new there will always be new games where they come back or come back in the G rank expansion
Well, I guess Capcom is also taking into account new players. I started playing in World and at that point I had never seen a Diablos, obviously. I'm glad he was in the game cause it's one of the monsters that had a big impact for me.
You, and every other hunter splattered between it's horns
The real problem with having all this returning monsters is that the new one are usually low or at best mid tier, so they get overshadowed by the stronger returning one that we end up hunting way more because they are harder. For example in Rise near all the new monster are low tier, the one that aren't are Almudron (a shit monster so it barely counts) Magnamalo and Goss Harag, mid tier monster and the only end game tier are the Ibushi and Narwa
There is also Rakna-Kadaki, I would say that monster is above low tier
@@BakeNation_MH You're right Rakna should be mid/mid high tier. It's another fight i don't like so i tend to forget about it
TBH i think MHR was more made for the people who couldnt play MHW+ICE. Most of the returning Monsters where in MHW and because of that we might have this kind of way thinking that the flagships need to take a break. Because i fought most of the Monsters in Rise alot in MHW so i kinda got to dry form me to fast. but i still engjoyed because of the combat and overall feeling but would have liked it more if there wasnt MHW before Rise
I will never be tired of seeing thunder puppy. Zinogre, Stygian, Jho and Rajang are my favourite monsters of all time and I hope to Fatalis that they are never left out of the future games
I'd much rather see new invaders tbh. Bazelgeuse is more interesting to me than goku and pickle. I'd be okay with zinogre if they did more variants but only having one which they dont put in every game and is extreamly late game sucks. I didnt even know he was in World cuz I never got far in iceborne. I just wish to see Gore Magala and maybe Great Jaggi back
There should be a massive game of Monster Hunter, a so-called “Smash Ultimate” of Monster Hunter, where everyone is there. A Monster Hunter World on steroids. If you loose essential monsters like Rathalos, it’s like having a Pokémon game without its mascot, Pikachu.
We need a massive local that leads to multiple other areas known in older games, and monsters that are underwater variants could have some touch ups in underwater combat controls to make it worthwhile. Bring it all in! All the gigantic monsters! All the deviant forms!
I would love to see new monsters, there are so many things they could do with new skeletons to work with, subspecies don't bother me too much because they're just a small variation.
9:24 really glad how that turned out
I would be fine seeing Zinogre, Tigrex, and Nargacuga take a back seat for a bit, but the Rath's need to stay in my eyes. I saw people having this same discussion one day, and someone worded it the best way I could think. "Having a Monster Hunter without Rathian or Rathalos is like having a Pokemon game without Pikachu. It just wouldn't be right."
Bloodbath has to return not as a Deviant but as a rare species.
It has to be the craziest non Frontier fight in main series.
I think you scew the numbers a bit by separating world and iceborne, they're not separate games, Iceborne is an expansion you can't play on its own, of course everything in world will also be in iceborne. Probably should have done something like MHW/IB
So are every U and G games, they are an expansion of the previous entry.
Why don't you say the same thing for all the other games on the list?
My first monster hunter is monster hunter 2, my favourite is Kushala, for me he represent perfect defense, metal shell, wind barrier and his incredible flight ability.
I heard a lot of hate from other hunters, i think it's because it's annoying, it never land, they can't touch it, it's very tough, but that's exactly why it's an amazing Elder Dragon.
"The best defense is a good offense"
Kushala laughs at that
3:24 I love how you have Chameleos icon be invisible just like he is during the other games with his constant camo. Amazing attention to detail right there!
Only true mh gamers classify MHW and MHWI as individual games >:)
My ideal my game is like 80/20 split 80% new 20% old. But I'd like the old monsters to be odl monsters we havent seen in a long time. Have some variants and subspecies maybe some rare species too.
Personally I don't mind the flagship monsters returning, but good god they just get boring to fight because they spam the same moves. Especially the Raths. Actually only the Raths. They get so boring jesus christ. I love hearing my character yell "WATCH OUT" 5 times in a row because the raths just spam the tail moves... sigh
Honestly world did amazing! With only a small bunch of old world monsters present in the New World to open the gates for a completely new roster, wish the next gen game does something similar by implementing new biomes outside of plain forests and deserts and with them comes a brand new roster of monsters
I think the only flagship that could either take a break or get a break is Rathalos. He's the only flagship to never have his own theme (his main theme is a watered down Fatalis' and map themes) and I can't remember him winning in promo materials anymore.
Challenged by Astalos, and killed by Malzeno.
"Seregios was the flagship of MH4U"
Me: *crying in the corner with my Zamtrios plushie*
Also if they could bring back Plesioth, Blangonga and Congalala. Just fix Plesioth's GINORMOUS FOR NO REASON hitbox 😂
Regarding Nargacuga not getting more love in Iceborne is probably due to the fact whatever plans Capcom had for him were scrapped when they decided to work on Fatalis for the final title update, according to one of the devs (I forget who) their plans involved something new for one of the monsters in the game...
It was gonna be Narga 100% if you ask me since every other "relevant" monster in IB had some sort of Sub/Rare species or Variant like Raging Brachy, Furious Rajang, Stygian Zino, Brute Tigrex, Frostfang Barioth, the Metal Raths, Ruiner Nergi.... etc, they were also gonna touch on the lore behind Safi'jiiva and his connection to Alatreon apparently but instead we got Skinny...
Another thing is that I personally don't think that the problem lies in the number of times a monster reappears but rather the frequency in which they do, say if the same monster makes an appearance in 3 consecutive MH games (excluding expansions) it gets to a point where you just expect them to always appear and makes their reappearance less special, meanwhile when a monster skips a game or two before making an reappearance that makes that reappearance more special and appreciated...
say for example Tigrex who has made so many appearances that it got to a point where when you see him it's like "oh of course it's Tigrex again" meanwhile a monster like Monoblos that had a lot of appearances in 1st and 2nd gen his absence from 3rd gen made his 4th gen appearance special.
I can feel the sense of specialty when it came to Chameleos. When he wasn't in Worldborne, but he was in Rise, I was extremely excited to fight him because he is my favorite of the three and would be a fresh empierce in fifth gen
@@BakeNation_MH You must be confused sir, Chameleos WAS in World and Iceborne...
I would honestly rather have these old monsters than some of the new monsters in Rise
For sure! That's bound to happen as well. The flagships are just made to be these incredible and memorable monsters, especially compared to some of the other regular monsters in the game.
Thankfully Steve is back and looking bigger and better than ever
You know it! Can't wait to fight him :D
Here’s my list of monsters I would love to fight and get armour of in the new/future games:
Rathalos’s fate is to be in every single game and I’m not gonna fight that. (This is the only exception. Oh and Rathians.)
We keep getting Khezu but no Gigginox? Why? I never got the game that has it and I would like to fight that since Khezu always comes back. So why not? and I would like to see the new people/players experience the Gigginox as well. I want to see people’s reaction to it.
I would like to fight Rust Kushala (idc about the normal Kushala. I never got the chance to fight rust Kushala)
Lunastra. Even though she was super annoying and rage inducing in world/Iceborne, for some reason I wouldn’t mind seeing her again.
Molten Tigrex and Grimclaw together would be cool to have. I don’t want or care about normal Tigrex since I’ve fought it so many times. I’ve only fought Molten once in 4U and it was too hard for me in that game with the clunky old controls. I Never got to fight Grimclaw and I didn’t want to with the slower controls in the older games.
I would absolutely love to fight lucent Nargacuga. I never got 3U so it’s a brand new monster to me. I would also like to fight silver and green Nargacuga together in the same game. The only experience I’ve had fighting or using green nargacuga was in the monster hunter stories games and I would like to experience it in a game that isn’t a spin off.
I don’t care about the Barioths but I wouldn’t mind taking on the sand barioth since that one feels less loved in general.
I would like to fight all the Laggi’s (Lagiacrus’s). Especially the Abyssal one I have never got to experience fighting that one. Ivory is too op in the monster hunter stories games and lots of people used it because of that. So I’m not too fond of ivory because it was so overused in those games. But I’m up to experience it in an non spin off game.
I am tired and bored of Zinogre. It’s my friends favourite monster which is fine and all but I’m getting sick and tired of having to get its armour for my friend in every single game or see them always have it. They always have to get its armour because they love it too much and it’s just tedious, boring, predictable and too repetitive. I would like to see and help my friend try to get some new armour instead of the same shit over and over again.
I’m not annoyed of Brachy yet (Brachydios)
Gore Magala was and still is my favourite monster of all time and I miss it. My first ever Monster Hunter game I got was 4 or 4U and it was really cool in those games. They didn’t put it in the first Monter Hunter Stories game even though the game had Gore Magalas frenzy virus mechanic thing in it, which was disappointing. Then years later they announced the second Monster Hunter Stories game and again they didn’t put it in that game either. It really sucks because I would of loved to have had a buddy Gore Magala to fight with in those games. I never got to fight Chaotic Gore Magala so I would really like to experience that.
Idc about normal and Acidic Glavenus since I’ve fought those two so much in World/Iceborne. Hellblade though I only fought once or twice and never got to really try and get its armour or weapons so I would like to try and do that in a new game.
I’m satisfied with Mizutsune and I feel like it’s got enough love for now and I wouldn’t be upset if that one took a break from being in a couple of games.
I’ve fought normal Astalos enough. I didn’t get to really experience the boltreaver astalos so I would like to fight that one some more.
I’ve never cared about Gammoth and I still don’t care about that one.
I would love to fight Valstrax especially its other forms or new future forms. I was really hoping it was gonna get put in Iceborne to experience it in that game but that didn’t happen.
I don’t care about the Diablos’s and wouldn’t miss it if it got replaced by all the Monoblos’s for a game or two. I think there is a white Diablos (not sure) if there is a white Diablos I would like to fight that one since i haven’t experienced the white one.
Nergi (Nergigante) was cool but I don’t miss it. I don’t care about Velkhana and I’ve had enough of fighting Velkhana in World/Iceborne. I wouldn’t mind if Magnamalo stayed as a Rise exclusive monster.
There’s a lot of really cool monsters that have been left behind and forgotten in Monster Hunter Online and I don’t understand why they don’t bring those monsters into the main games. What’s the point of getting the new games if most of the monsters they put in are ones we’ve already fought and experienced in the previous game or have fought so many times in the recent past games? It’s just repetitive predictable slaps of copy and pasting with just new maps and mechanics. Pokémon is just as bad but at least they try to add multiple new monsters for every new generation to spice things up, instead of the monster roster being 70-90% the same every game.
- I would also LOVE to see Gigginox, Lagi, Rust Kushy would be cool, Sand barioth (I hope he is in Sunbreak because we literally have Sandy Plains), Molten, lucent, Gore.
There isn't a white diablos, but there is a white Mononblos which would be neat to see again.
Lastly, the reason Capcom has not brought over stuff from MHOnline is because the game wasn't actually developed by Capcom. MHOnline was developed by Tencent Games and backed by Capcom.
I feel like you need to mention that zinogre also gets an apex in 4u (not many monsters have them they get some moves from variants and are generally tougher to fight on top of bouncing without wystones unless you attack weak spots..) Just to make sure everyone knows that zinogre is like overdone. he's like the new rathalos.
Also diablos has an apex form in 4 giving it black diablos moves because yes.
As someone who has started since World, I only know Nargacuga, Tigrex and Zinogre being repeat flagship mons. As in, I've seen them in both World and Rise. Sure, Rathalos, but Rathalos is like the Ryu. He's going to be in it whether you like it or not. If anything, I appreciate the Rise was able to up his threat level so that he feels appropriately dangerous, compared to World where he was kinda mid-level.
Personally I like Zinogre and Nargacuga. It's Tigrex I don't like, and it's mostly due to how they set him up. Because he was the first with his particular model/skeleton, he tends to be set up as one of the highest-level threats, while Nargacuga and Barioth are encountered earlier. But Tigrex doesn't feel all that special compared to them. After dealing with the tail needles and rage of Narga, or the blizzard tornados of Barioth, a crawling T-rex who shoves rocks at you doesn't feel special.
All that said, I'd love to see more Flagships from other games. I'm working to try out Valstrax before Sunbreak comes out, and I'm personally chomping at the beat to see a modern game rendition of Gore Magala, a monster I never got to fight. I would ALSO like to see some of the "final" bosses from other games, such as Nakarkos, Gogmazios, or Ahtal-Ka.
Technically, Iceborne doesn't have regular Nergigante. Iceborne content is only about Master Rank, and in Master Rank, we do not have regular Nergigante, only ruiner. If you do seperate base World and Iceborne as inidivudal games, I think you should also make that seperation here as well.
I dunno about other games/monsters, as I've only played World and Rise.
Only if you're a veteran. For the vast majority, all monsters are brand new experiences.
rathalos and tigrex make sense to return in every series since rathalos is the pikachu of mh.. and why tigrex too? tigrex is supposed to be the flagship of the first mh but rathalos took the places so i give him a pass
Lagiacrus should be return with underwater battle tho,, without underwater is just boneless lagiacrus
Tigrex design and body structure was made for the portable 2 series, he wasn't even in monster hunter dos, he was not supposed to be the flagship monster of the first mh game at all
Honestly, I'd be fine with another Zinogre IF THEY DID SOMETHING NEW WITH HIM!!!
He's a monster that has a symbiotic relationship with thunderbugs! What if he instead learned to attract different kinds of bugs like the Toxic Kumori, the Dracophage bug or even something weird like the Blossom Cricket?
If you wanna get really freaky, have it attack alongside a swarm of wild Kinsects! I'd pay money for the chance to fight a Zinogre using Kinsects AGAINST us!
Rathelos is the mascot! So he is here to stay!All monsters are created equal, they must all return in the next game!
Rathalos: Oh Well, anyways I showed up in the next trailer
Rathalos and Rathian are the Ryu and Ken of Monster Hunter. The series simply would not exist without them.
I have two things to say about this:
1) I like seeing flagships because they are the most memorable. In their respective games, they are often a monster that brings a specific challenge unique to that monster. Due to this uniqueness, seeing flagships come back as late game heavy hitters is something that I appreciate. It makes sense that flagships are revered.
2) There IS a case to be made that focusing on using flagships shifts time and resources away from creating NEW monsters for the roster. The problem is that can also be said about ANY returning monsters.
Considering how much they improved Kushala in Rise, I would be happy to see him return in MH6. If it was the same version that appeared in W/IB then I would be okay with giving him a break, but I love Kushala in Rise so it would be a shame if they didn’t continue to improve on it and redeem him into the next game in my opinion. I would be okay with giving Tigrex a break though, because it’s not a very fun monster in my opinion. But I can’t complain if Rathalos/Rathian, Zinogre and Nargacuga appear in every game because they are fun to fight for the most part. But I guess I wouldn’t be mad if they didn’t return for a game if it means it would make room for brand new monsters that would be even better.
Probably nargacuga FEELS prelevant, despite being not quite, cause if it appears, it usually bolsters ctit gear, witch has been the cornerstone of all the builds in monster hunter and people farm this monster a lot.
How about just put every monster with every variant ever in and giving them the Rise treatment where they retooled their fights if they were badly designed, along with the new monsters they add in each generation. It's not like pokemon where they add 150 every damn generation either so there's no reason outside of maybe development time/budget why they can't.
Problem solved, if it weren't for the fact that they just don't because it creates hype for the next game, plus Capcom is pretty stupid when it comes to a lot of things.
I definitely understand people getting sick of Kushala, not because he's in a lot though, I just hate wind mechanics.
I think some flagships should be shelved for now while others get their time in the spotlight by reappearing in a few games. As many have said, Zinogre, Tigrex, and Nargacuga are ones that could sit out a few games. I'd love to see most of the Gen 4 flagships in immediate future games, and regarding the 5th Generation I wouldn't mind seeing Nergigante, Velkhana, and Malzeno in MH6.
MY biggest hope is that Velkhana returns for Sunbreak
If Lagiacrus doesn't make it into the next game after sunbreak, I'm officially handing in my resignation. See you later Monster Hunter. Your Lagiacrus is what bought me. And it is what will get me to quit if it doesn't show up again asap.
I do want Lagi back, and I am willing to wait as long as it takes to have that happen
I think MHW/Iceborn was a perfect balance of new and old monsters tbh and it's why I liked it so much as it gave me new fave monsters I never expected like Odogaron, Tobi Kadachi, Vaal Hazaak, Banbaro, Fulgur Anjanath, Valkhana, Nergigante, Bazelgeuse, Shara Ishvalda, Namielle and Safi Jiva. So far with Monster Hunter Rise my fave new monesters have been Magnamalo, Somnacanth and Goss Harag... The reason I loved World is the fact that when you start the game it's an entirely fresh new region with alot of new monsters to experience and not too many returning monsters so it was a very exciting fresh experience. With MH Rise I feel like one of the issues is how many reused monsters there are and how badly the older gen monsters struggle to keep up with the hunters and wirebug mechanics due to their outdated movepools compared to the newer monsters native to MH Rise like Maganamalo who can really keep up with the hunters and the mobility. If the next MH World game is anything like the previous MHW title then I don't think we have to worry about seen alot of returning monsters and not enough new monsters tbh... I would be more concerned with seeing shitty Armor and Weapon designs again like base MHW 😆 💀
slap on weapons were such a disappointment xD
Rathalos deserve his spotlight
because he reminded me
the first time I played monster hunter freedom