alirpa77 Winged liner should be the main focus. That is why it looks good bc the eye w eyeshadow is quite simple. Putting all that eyeshadow around the eye and then a winged liner is too much imo
Idk if I'd use the word simple.. I think Wayne is capable of extremely complex and intricate looks as well, but he's more sophisticated in his technique and realistic in his application. But you are absolutely right, he is so refreshing to watch, especially when the beauty space on UA-cam is filled with people who wear 3 layers of foundation, 4 layers of concealer, 2 powders, and eyeliner that points to the heavens LOL
Kristan L So true! the way I see it Wayne likes ( and knows really well) to accentuate the beauty of the person wearing the makeup while most yt only concentrate on trying/adapting makeup trends and looks. That's why I like Wayne's vids above everything else makeup related on yt, you can tell he is an actual professional :)
alexahallywell12 yes! He does accentuate already existing beauty, instead of create features and facial structures that don't exist. It's so refreshing 😊
I'm living for the winged liner, with or without eyeshadow. I just love it! I've been wearing it for years and now if I just have eyeshadow I feel like something's missing on my face lol
flokwiatkowska I've worn it for literally five years now and everytime I try to do eyeliner without it I feel so weird, like my eyes are super round, and have to go add a wing. I don't know how to do eyeliner without a wing.
flokwiatkowska same! It makes my eyes pop... Can't live without it... Been doing it since I was 16! I feel like something is missing when I just put eyeshadow and mascara
flokwiatkowska yes me too. I been wearing it since I been in highschool way before it was all over social media. I feel like I look different without it. and not in a good way.
2HootHoot AGREE! When I look at people's pictures it does look amazing, but looking at in in person just looks awful! I'm not seeing faces anymore just loads of makeup!
Completely agree with you. Wing liner with shadow messes with the organic flow of the makeup look. I've always felt the sharp black line doesn't make sense with a nicely blended shadow look, it doesn't look modern or cool. Worn alone or with a simple brown shadow to define the socket however，as you said, looks great 👍🏻 spot on!
I think Wayne feels this way because he's more "classically" trained in makeup, in the sense he loves makeup because it enhances the face but makeup nowadays is meant to transform the face (in some cases into something its not). I used to think his preferences are too natural but after the contour trend exploded on instagram and the winged eyeliner WITH lots of eye shadow turned into an "everyday natural" look I see what he sees! It's absolutely unneccessary and ruins the fragile art of makeup which is to enhance. Winged eyeliner is a strong look and looks better on bare lids.
Sumaya you do realize that he isn't a certified MUA, right? He has no background on training nor does he has an online portfolio.. his private "clientele" does not exist.
@Hunni Bunny You seem very bitter for some reason, i see you all over Wayne's videos :) Does being certified MUA really matter? I say i doesn't at all. Some of the biggest celebrity makeup artists aren't certified. Anyone can get a certificate even people who really shouldn't be getting one.
Sumaya you're exactly right that makeup is an art form, which of course means there's no wrong way to do it and it isn't being "ruined" by different types of application. That's like saying that Da Vinci did art "the right way" and people like Renoir, Lichtenstein, Pollock etc ruined it. There's millions of ways to wear makeup, it's not just to enhance but to express yourself. Natural makeup is beautiful, instagram makeup is beautiful, editorial style makeup is beautiful, Drag makeup is beautiful. We shouldn't bash each other over how we choose to paint our faces 💁🏻
I feel like it's become the norm nowadays and so people feel because all these instagrammers spend hours on their makeup for one photo when in reality, most of us don't wing the eyeliner because 1) it takes up a lot of time and 2) it can easily go wrong! Plus I agree with you Wayne, winged liner can ruin a look but because it's now a norm, people think it's the only way to do eyeliner!
Kayla Gee yeah, I mean on clients I'll do what they tell me to as its not my own makeup, but on myself it just looks weird as I have hooded eyes :P. a small flick looks alright but anymore and its too much 😂
Angelina Pretty much what most youtube "beauty gurus" do. & huge on Instagram! It's doing your eyeshadow perfectly then drawing along your upper lash line, creating the wing at the end. Essentially you're going over the eyeshadow effect you've created.
dianasj Same here! On my eyes, winged liner looks like a black strip came out of nowhere at the corner of each eyelid. :P It's just not a look that goes well with Asian hooded eyes.
There's not much for hooded eyed girls, is there? I feel like I'm missing out on so much because I have hooded, almond eyes. Always having to search for specific eyeshadow techniques and stuff. I do like the winged eyeliner though. With just fine and tiny, fledgling kind of wings, with no eyeshadow. haha..
I have hooded, downturned eyelids so if I do the wing, I look like a dachshund. If you get what I mean. Like i look REALLY sad. Hate it. I do it sometimes though but just very thin...
it annoys me that people are so overly sensitive that every mua who has an opinion always has the same preamble of "do whatever you want, just my opinion ect"
Lisa G. The struggle is real for the hooded eye ladies. I love winged eyeliner with simple eye looks but I can't do it and it looks horrible with my hooded eyes.
I love a micro mini wing. We're talking a millimeter. Here in France a full wing is only done with a clean face and red lip. But you probably know that.
I only like when it's a calm, small, cute wing (I personally don't ever do it) I do not like the crazy bold wings. I am also getting so annoyed with the over highlighting.. I just watched a new Jaclyn Hill video and wow!! Two huge stripes of highlight on each cheek! It's looks insane!! It's looks like you took a very pigmented eyeshadow and drew squares on your face.. Why...
Katie H I was thinking the same exact thing! she's so beautiful, with amazing skin, my favorite part of her tutorials is in the beginning when she's not wearing any makeup at all lol
so true. I think makeup should be enhancing features, not just a copycat skill, everyone doing the same thing whether it looks right on them or not...so tired of "trends" in makeup
The thing about winged eyeliner is that it's similar to false eyelashes in a way. Once someone has worn it for too long, their own eyes don't look right to them without it. It's almost impossible to convince someone that they don't need it.
That’s how I felt for so long I wore it from age 12-18 every day but in the 6 years since I can definitely go without. Or just without makeup I don’t even care lol
I love winged eyeliner, but I've gotten so used to seeing myself in it that I can't seem to figure out how to do an eye look without it that I'm happy with, like I'll feel like eyeliner w/no wing looks weird on me. Maybe I just have to stop doing it for awhile to get used to seeing myself w/out it again. Lol, that's why I wish I just had you on call to do my makeup!
chris green Philly spill your secrets! the only way I can do even a half decent winged Eyeliner is with kat von d tattoo liner. something about the brush and the shape/thickness and length of the tube just makes it easier for me. I cannot even try with any other brand. even gel liners where I can choose the brush, it just doesn't work. I've tried tapes. I think it's just my hands. I get nervous and my hands go wobbly lol
I love that you can actually explain your thought process! I've always thought a plain eye look pairs better with winged eyeliner but could never explain why
I love winged eyeliner... but not the GIANT wings that Guru's do today... they look like they are gonna fly away... I like winged liner that's a good medium, nothing dramatic. And i actually love a winged eyeliner with any eye look, including eyeshadow
Jedi KMA well, some people HAVE to do a giant wing because of their eye shape. I have extremely hooded eyes that extend waaay past the corners of my eyes into my cheeks almost. In order for them to be seen, I need to make it thick and sharply angled.
lately i hate winged eyeliner because wings are usually so big that it distracts from the rest of the look and sort of just takes over. people spend so much time blending out beautiful eyeshadow looks only to cover them up halfway with a black stripe.
It's the same way with my eyes. I cannot pull off winged eyes because of my hooded eyes, it makes them look worse. I can't even really wear eyeliner at all on the top lids! Now my daughter does the wings and looks great. It's just not for everybody.
But general winged liner I like. As an East Asian it really elongates and tilts up my eyes. But with unnatural eyeshadow, it's a hit or miss for me. Sometimes it looks good, most of the time it looks like a blurry circle with a sharp line poking out of it and it's :/
I feel like people on instagram ABUSE makeup usage! I find winged liner, and eyeshadow absolutely beautiful, when they are BALANCED out. Especially when the winged liner is taken out to extend the eye, rather than taken upwards toward the brows...
I'm glad to hear you say that winged liner over eyeshadow can be too jarring because I really hated covering up the beautiful color work I did with a black line, but it seemed "trendy"... so I would try and FAIL every time lol!! Trends suck sometimes.
sweetpeaify heck yeah! I don't wear makeup everyday and when I do I only wear eye makeup and even I get the heebee jeebees when I see people wearing makeup a certain way. Winged eyeliner is one and purposely shaved and then drawn in eyebrows are another, and that's just the beginning lol!
sweetpeaify these days people get offended over anything and everything. It's creating a culture of sensitive snowflakes that complain about everything.
some people also draw eyeliner when it does NOT go with their eye shape and closes it up!!! like some eyes would be so much prettier if it was a thin line drawed along the lash line
I have downturned lids and it's really tough for me. Even if I get the angle right, it's impossible to match the length and thickness of the wing. I wind up taking the edge off and lining the lashline only.
Every time you make these vids I think of NikkieTutorials😂 I'm not trying to jump on the bandwagon of disliking her like most people, but I just can't stand her makeup most of the time IM SORRY😂 Unpopular opinion, I know
Brittany G. I used to like her, but my patience has worn thin. If you look back at her looks, they are really all one look, different eye, lip colours, maybe a slight variation on shadow technique. It's the same heavy matt base, generic contour, instabrows, crazy highlight, winged liner and lashes. I know that's her thing, but how long can you go on making the same videos week after week.
I agree! Sometimes the eyeshadow looks so soft and blended that throwing a thick dark line through it ruins it. I definitely think that technique and shadow shape can make up for not using winged liner. Ps I think the peach/warm palette trend made this even worse. So many nice warm eye looks but with uncalled for liner and lashes that completely cover the eye shadow.
Nope. Winged eyeliner is life for me. I proudly wear a thick black wing every day, with neutral shadows or bold if I choose! And it does work on hooded eyelids, you just gotta find what works for you! A thick pulled out cat eye isn't for everyone but winged eyeliner can be subtle and beautiful as well. I couldn't live without my liquid liner 👌🏽
Ella Nicol when this eyeliner shape became popular for it it was in the 50s and during that time the eyeshadow looks we were very simple it was basically one eyeshadow color dusted on the lid maybe two colors but definitely not a very heavy eyeshadow look in the 50s and then they would do the winged liner and that's where it originates from
I love how you put into words what feels "off" about trends like this to me - I feel like something doesn't feel right to do it on myself (even when I try) but hadn't been able to articulate why.
Despite the mixed reactions, I really enjoy these videos to get an artist's perspective on different looks. Sometimes I find myself trying to do too many tricks in one look and wonder why I look like I got punched in the face. Now I can see like "ohhhhh, I'm trying to fit a triangle in a circle( you know those toys for kids?)." Just like art where there are different types of techniques like impressionism, pop art, cubism, etc., the more you understand the fundamentals about different looks or techniques, the more power you have to create your own style. I love learning about the actual thought process behind the application rather than trying to blindly imitate influencers and instagram models. Thank you Wayne for your insight!
I can totally see your point. I love the look of winged eye liner with minimal eye makeup, like an off white lid and slight contoured crease. Brigitte Bardot style. And I think it looks so amazing with bright pink lips. Very 60's.
perhaps he feels undervalued in todays world of makeup. I for one love instagram makeup, but also natural looks! His makeup is natural, and for people who don't want to put much makeup on. In today's society, I think its great how makeup is evolving, and I think he makes these hate videos because he is falling behind, but doesn't want to catch up, so tries to turn everyone against something they may enjoy!
Agree. It is so annoying to see it so often. Most ladies don't apply it correctly anyway, in that case it would be better to stay off it. Just looks like hooks, gross.
Absolutely love wings, They're so transformative and can create so many different affects and moods on the eye. Anywhere from short wings to thin flicks to massive, dramatic, Amy Winehouse wings. I think the key is finding a wing that complements the makeup you're wearing.
I do too but I always on in with some neutral shades and a shade a tad darker to define my crease based on my eye shape. For me the matte background makes the bold black line sexier :)
I feel bad. As an artist, I'm supposed to notice details, but I really never noticed it. I'm 61, and eye looks have changed a time or two.(ok, maybe three) . Bisecting a circle with a line can be quite attractive if done precisely. It's the smudged liner with wing added that makes no sense to me. BTW, you know I love you. It's funny how watching someone on UA-cam for an extended time you begin to feel like you know them. You have certain little facial mannerisms that are so charming. Even though I'm older than you, I feel like a little sister. It's a nice feeling❣💋
Yes! I have slightly hooded lids and I have a hard time with winged liner. Frankly, I'm not good at it and can't make it work. I would rather create a softer cat eye effect with shadow and, if I'm feeling dramatic, false lashes. I think what gets me most "riled" up is seeing all these makeup looks with winged liner and false lashes when it's not something we should all be striving for on an everyday basis....atleast not in my mind.
Eyelid surgery is pointless, the eyelid is moveable skin therefore will over time become stretched and sag again. I know this how, because I myself have hooded lids and looked into it and was told not to waste my money. Jaden, I wear the same look. I don't like this heavy make up look daily. Do not make people feel like they need surgery to fix something that isn't a problem!
Smoky eyes is not a look that necessarily follows a rounded shape. So it's not actually like putting a straight line into a circle (which can be a nice editorial look by the way).
I completely agree with you, Wayne. After years of practice with makeup, I have come to the same conclusion. I would love to see you do a tutorial on winged liner over simple shadow for hooded, mature eyes.
I think I've finally figured out why I disagree with you so often. I think you use makeup purely as a means of enhancement to your natural features. I use makeup as a means of self expression and essentially completely change the features of my face. It seems everything you love is soft subtle and natural. But when I wear makeup, I want people to KNOW in wearing it: I want it to be a statement and I want it to catch attention. Mostly when it comes to the eyes.
Winged eyeliner is my go to look. For a regular day, I do just gel eyeliner, mascara and lipstick. Recently, for more evening look, I tried gel eyeshadow ( bronze shade, Maybelline Color Tattoo) and black eyeliner, which give my eyes more definition. Anyways, lots of love from Slovakia! :)
RIGHT ! and also the tons of product some women use, it's incredible : it's seems they don't see well ! Huge dark brows, huge eye liner wings, lipstick, bronzer, blush, concealer, serums, primers, lipliners etc etc... But we still love make up ! Kiss from France
I like it. I see makeup as art, some things I wouldn't like for myself, but I can appreciate on others. It's interesting the looks people are creating. ☺
you say your opinions so respectfully and I really love that about you. alot of people's opinions usually come off as disrespectful and judgemental but you always seem to just word everything so kind and honestly
I've started using a method from Linda Hallberg, taking a small bit of an eyeliner pencil, and gently smudging that out with an angled brush. It's way less intense, very subtle and way easier. Regular winged liner I strongly dislike, it makes the eye look way smaller and if it isn't PERFECT it looks tacky.
I love it personally. I actually hate how I look with makeup if I don't have my super winged liner! It really just opens and elongates my eyes which I love without it my eyes look very small
YES! This makes so much sense to me because 9 out of 10 times if I've worked really hard on my eyeshadow I don't want to mess it up with a wing! I love when the eyeshadow is light and the wing is the statement of the look, or when the eyeshadow is the statement and the liner is simply for definition's sake. Of course there's exceptions--wings can look stunning with bold looks too--but this video sums up why I always seem to struggle making a wing look right with strong eyeshadow looks. Thanks for putting it into words!
what do you think about makeup without doing a lot to eyebrows? I wear light foundation, setting powder, blush, mascara, a darkish lip stain, and occasionally eyeliner. but I don't do much to my brows. I darken them a bit and fill in any patches. I like the shape, and I don't like the overdone Instagram eyebrow look. but I hear so much about how terrible it looks when girls don't fill, contour, make their eyebrows perfect.
Rose Lee Natural brows always look better,I barely have brows due to a fucking idiot who burnt my follicles with hot wax at a salon so i have no choice but the chola look...Still i Rock it tho ha,ha.😉💕
I personally think that's okay as long as everything is equal by that I mean the lips can't be fully done with a dark colour with nothing on the eyes, but I think you can get away with a lot of eye makeup and subtle lips. So basically what your doing is what I would do anyway but do whatever you want! If u end up regretting it, it's okay u will learn
For a full glam look, those with patches or really fair hair- well groomed eyebrows are essential. For the average person with minimal makeup? You're fine. 😊
you literally have made my day. I have always hated liner on myself for the same reason. But people always told me I couldn't be a pro artist without knowing how to do it. Melly Patrice is another artist i love who does amazing makeup without liner. I personally think it creates a fresher eye look.
You can avoid that problem by mapping out the liner first, that way it doesn't "cut" through your colored shadow. That's a pet peeve for me too, but it can be avoided if you know how.
when I used to do eyeliner, my friend showed me the scotch tape trick. I only applied the liner, however my friend would first define the line with a black shadow, then apply all the other shadows she has in mind and then she would draw on the eyeliner... I think in this order. Worked like a charm!
I'm glad you brought this up. It seems that lately we are taught that our makeup looks are incomplete unless we do a winged eyeliner. And while I do appreciate a winged eyeliner and love many looks that include it, I think we (UA-cam gurus) need to focus on the beauty of a beautiful eyeshadow look WITHOUT a winged liner. Thanks for making this Wayne!
I feel naked without my bold winged eyeliner. I'll usually go for a nude eye with maybe a dark brown at the outer edge.. but as a closet goth girl (I'm a mum so I can't be going around with serious goth make up 24/7) I love a good dark eye and my eyeliner too when I'm feeling like heavy make up. however my eyeliner usually lines up perfectly with my shadow. maybe it's my eye shape that affects that?
Completely agree. It's like creating a lovely piece of art and slashing through it with a sharpie marker. Cosmetics are to enhance, not deform. But, to each their own, yes?
No, I agree with you! In my opinion, it's too much going on. I think winged eyeliner looks so good when it's the sole focal point of the eyelook.
alirpa77 Agreed. Choose one element to stand out and go minimal on the rest.
Same. I love a really bold wing with fresh dewy skin and nude lips
alirpa77 True dat. Winged liner with a bold lip can be really flattering. ~Terese
alirpa77 Winged liner should be the main focus. That is why it looks good bc the eye w eyeshadow is quite simple. Putting all that eyeshadow around the eye and then a winged liner is too much imo
I got hooded eyes so winged eyeliner actually hates me....
Tamago Jealous though, hooded eyes are so beautiful x
KyAngela omg that's the frist time someone is telling me this haha !
Tamago really?! Omg I think they are so flattering so rock your natural beauty!
Tamago I have hooded eyes 👀 to wings awful
Same. :')
I've learned through watching you that you are a very sort of simplicity based mua. I love that. It's refreshing to watch.
xoMonica Rose 150% agree!!
Idk if I'd use the word simple.. I think Wayne is capable of extremely complex and intricate looks as well, but he's more sophisticated in his technique and realistic in his application. But you are absolutely right, he is so refreshing to watch, especially when the beauty space on UA-cam is filled with people who wear 3 layers of foundation, 4 layers of concealer, 2 powders, and eyeliner that points to the heavens LOL
Most "MUAs" look like drag
Kristan L So true! the way I see it Wayne likes ( and knows really well) to accentuate the beauty of the person wearing the makeup while most yt only concentrate on trying/adapting makeup trends and looks.
That's why I like Wayne's vids above everything else makeup related on yt, you can tell he is an actual professional :)
alexahallywell12 yes! He does accentuate already existing beauty, instead of create features and facial structures that don't exist. It's so refreshing 😊
I hate when the liners so thick it covers up the entire eyeshadow like u spent 3 hours blending that eyeshadow only to cover it entirely with liner
Kari so true
Are you a drag queen? Legitimately curious by your picture.
@@DelphineTheWorstBladeEver her picture looks nothing like that
I'm living for the winged liner, with or without eyeshadow. I just love it! I've been wearing it for years and now if I just have eyeshadow I feel like something's missing on my face lol
flokwiatkowska I agree.
flokwiatkowska I've worn it for literally five years now and everytime I try to do eyeliner without it I feel so weird, like my eyes are super round, and have to go add a wing. I don't know how to do eyeliner without a wing.
flokwiatkowska same! It makes my eyes pop... Can't live without it... Been doing it since I was 16! I feel like something is missing when I just put eyeshadow and mascara
flokwiatkowska yes me too. I been wearing it since I been in highschool way before it was all over social media. I feel like I look different without it. and not in a good way.
That's how I feel too! Haha I wear winged liner even when I'm wearing a really casual outfit.
I think instagram makeup looks so horrible
2HootHoot right?!
I so agree
overdone highlighting is the worst
2HootHoot AGREE! When I look at people's pictures it does look amazing, but looking at in in person just looks awful! I'm not seeing faces anymore just loads of makeup!
get over it for goodness crying out loud. it's just makeup
nvm nvm you must overdo your makeup, please stop.
I don't mind a small Angelina Jolie wing... I don't like the thick lines seen on Instagram and youtube.
Or in public. lol.
lmfao deadasssss
Danielle Joseph Any with that very soft nude definition, not all the super detailed heavy make up, or major colours.
Danielle Joseph agreed. She usually rocks it with very minimal eyeshadow that is neutral in tone.
Completely agree with you. Wing liner with shadow messes with the organic flow of the makeup look. I've always felt the sharp black line doesn't make sense with a nicely blended shadow look, it doesn't look modern or cool. Worn alone or with a simple brown shadow to define the socket however，as you said, looks great 👍🏻 spot on!
I hate winged liner because I can never get both of them to match. lmao.
Juleen Forbes me either!
Juleen Forbes use tape & put it next to ur lid next time (: you're welcome
and they come off too so you have to re-apply the missing soot
Nicaury Cid you mean at the tips? where they smudge? I usually apply eyeshadow (whatever color that suits you) at the tip to prevent that.
N I do but it still smudges.😭😭
I think Wayne feels this way because he's more "classically" trained in makeup, in the sense he loves makeup because it enhances the face but makeup nowadays is meant to transform the face (in some cases into something its not). I used to think his preferences are too natural but after the contour trend exploded on instagram and the winged eyeliner WITH lots of eye shadow turned into an "everyday natural" look I see what he sees! It's absolutely unneccessary and ruins the fragile art of makeup which is to enhance. Winged eyeliner is a strong look and looks better on bare lids.
Sumaya you do realize that he isn't a certified MUA, right? He has no background on training nor does he has an online portfolio.. his private "clientele" does not exist.
Sumaya absolutely agree! 👏🏻🙌🏻 amen!
So true. Makeup is art and I feel that makeup nowadays has lost its true meaning
@Hunni Bunny You seem very bitter for some reason, i see you all over Wayne's videos :)
Does being certified MUA really matter? I say i doesn't at all. Some of the biggest celebrity makeup artists aren't certified. Anyone can get a certificate even people who really shouldn't be getting one.
Sumaya you're exactly right that makeup is an art form, which of course means there's no wrong way to do it and it isn't being "ruined" by different types of application. That's like saying that Da Vinci did art "the right way" and people like Renoir, Lichtenstein, Pollock etc ruined it. There's millions of ways to wear makeup, it's not just to enhance but to express yourself. Natural makeup is beautiful, instagram makeup is beautiful, editorial style makeup is beautiful, Drag makeup is beautiful. We shouldn't bash each other over how we choose to paint our faces 💁🏻
I feel like it's become the norm nowadays and so people feel because all these instagrammers spend hours on their makeup for one photo when in reality, most of us don't wing the eyeliner because 1) it takes up a lot of time and 2) it can easily go wrong!
Plus I agree with you Wayne, winged liner can ruin a look but because it's now a norm, people think it's the only way to do eyeliner!
and on this note: extreme, thick winged eyeliner on hooded eyes = no no. just closes up the eyes so much and it's better to tight line :)
McInHeather my full face of makeup takes 10 mins. the eyeliner takes 3 minutes max lol
McInHeather I usually turn to a wing because it's so easy for me but I don't like when people do all this colorful eyeshadow AND wing eyeliner
Kayla Gee I don't even know how to do ANY eyeshadow😂 it's eyeliner, eyebrows, falsies, foundation and concealer for me
Kayla Gee yeah, I mean on clients I'll do what they tell me to as its not my own makeup, but on myself it just looks weird as I have hooded eyes :P. a small flick looks alright but anymore and its too much 😂
WAYNE. I love how in all your videos especially tutorials you just get to the POINT! short and sweet.
I wish you'd put a example pic. I got the visual nonetheless.
same. I need pics idk what "winged eyeliner through the shadow" means lol
some examples would have helped me understand better yeah
+Angelina Exactly. lol. I hope he'll respond.
+N Omr I can't do my makeup W/out a wing. So... I'd like to see his example.
Angelina Pretty much what most youtube "beauty gurus" do. & huge on Instagram! It's doing your eyeshadow perfectly then drawing along your upper lash line, creating the wing at the end. Essentially you're going over the eyeshadow effect you've created.
I have hooded eyes so i dont fucks with winged liner. The most i can do is line the top lash line, getting thicker towards the outer corner
Me too. Simple shadow with winged liner is gorgeous on the right eyes though.
dianasj Same here! On my eyes, winged liner looks like a black strip came out of nowhere at the corner of each eyelid. :P It's just not a look that goes well with Asian hooded eyes.
I have hooded eyes as well and winged eyeliner looks so bad I'm pissed I can't do it but whatever. I just line the top lash line as well.
There's not much for hooded eyed girls, is there? I feel like I'm missing out on so much because I have hooded, almond eyes. Always having to search for specific eyeshadow techniques and stuff. I do like the winged eyeliner though. With just fine and tiny, fledgling kind of wings, with no eyeshadow. haha..
I have hooded, downturned eyelids so if I do the wing, I look like a dachshund. If you get what I mean. Like i look REALLY sad. Hate it. I do it sometimes though but just very thin...
lmao why is everyone getting butthurt? He is allowed to dislike things just as much as you are allowed to like them.
People can't handle the things they like being critiqued. Pretty immature. I always enjoy his perspective on things, even if I disagree.
Chapter Eleven That was exactly my thought. o.0
You'd think people would thank him for correcting their mistakes.... I must have a different logic or something
Marjorie Mabry 💗
Yes!😁 Damn! People are so sensitive & defensive! It's NOT THAT SERIOUS PEOPLE!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
it annoys me that people are so overly sensitive that every mua who has an opinion always has the same preamble of "do whatever you want, just my opinion ect"
miranda panda then don't read the comment section because you will hate all day long
If I was a beauty guru I would never do that haha.
miranda panda Preach
ETC* the word is et cetera.
Lol that statement was worded terribly. I know what you're trying to convey, but it's still confusing to read.
I dislike winged liner because I have severe hooded eyes and couldn't achieve it even if I wanted too! Lol.
Lisa G. Sssaammee
Lisa G. Me too!! I couldn't do winged eyeliner if I wanted to because my eyes are so hooded.
Lisa G. me either. hooded eye curse
Lisa G. The struggle is real for the hooded eye ladies. I love winged eyeliner with simple eye looks but I can't do it and it looks horrible with my hooded eyes.
Meeka's Momma yup! same!
I think sometimes winged liner takes away from the look....like, let the eye shadow have its moment! Lol
Right!?
I love a micro mini wing. We're talking a millimeter. Here in France a full wing is only done with a clean face and red lip. But you probably know that.
Ps- why are you the best, smartest, truthful person on UA-cam?
Nikka Cookie want a cookie for being French?
LaurenAwesomesauce1 yes.
Shut up Lauren and drink your awesome sauce...
Clean face meaning no foundation?
Winged eyeliner looks stunning when worn with nude eye. And Adele’s pic example was stunning!!
I only like when it's a calm, small, cute wing (I personally don't ever do it) I do not like the crazy bold wings. I am also getting so annoyed with the over highlighting.. I just watched a new Jaclyn Hill video and wow!! Two huge stripes of highlight on each cheek! It's looks insane!! It's looks like you took a very pigmented eyeshadow and drew squares on your face.. Why...
Rectangles lol not squares
Katie H I was thinking the same exact thing! she's so beautiful, with amazing skin, my favorite part of her tutorials is in the beginning when she's not wearing any makeup at all lol
so true. I think makeup should be enhancing features, not just a copycat skill, everyone doing the same thing whether it looks right on them or not...so tired of "trends" in makeup
Katie H saw the same video and her highlights looked like a landing strip for airplanes ✈️. It was too much
Katie H I saw that too and was horrified
The thing about winged eyeliner is that it's similar to false eyelashes in a way. Once someone has worn it for too long, their own eyes don't look right to them without it. It's almost impossible to convince someone that they don't need it.
TryMyMartini I feel personally attacked by this. 😂😂😂
I can personally relate to this!!! 😂😂
I relate to this XD I've worn winged liner for 5 years and I look so odd without it
That’s how I felt for so long I wore it from age 12-18 every day but in the 6 years since I can definitely go without. Or just without makeup I don’t even care lol
This is me!! My eyes turn downward. So when I do my eyeliner, it really picks them back up. Without it, I feel like I looks older then hell.
I love winged eyeliner, but I've gotten so used to seeing myself in it that I can't seem to figure out how to do an eye look without it that I'm happy with, like I'll feel like eyeliner w/no wing looks weird on me. Maybe I just have to stop doing it for awhile to get used to seeing myself w/out it again. Lol, that's why I wish I just had you on call to do my makeup!
chris green Philly spill your secrets! the only way I can do even a half decent winged Eyeliner is with kat von d tattoo liner. something about the brush and the shape/thickness and length of the tube just makes it easier for me. I cannot even try with any other brand. even gel liners where I can choose the brush, it just doesn't work. I've tried tapes. I think it's just my hands. I get nervous and my hands go wobbly lol
You can use a makeup remover pen to clean up any mistakes and define the wing :)
chris green Philly I know exactly how you feel, it feels like my make up is missing something if my eyeliner is not winged
same here, i do it all the time, now when i dont do it i feel like something is missing in my make up lol
chris green Philly Same!
I love that you can actually explain your thought process! I've always thought a plain eye look pairs better with winged eyeliner but could never explain why
OMG IM NOT ALONE!!! 😫🙌🏾🙏🏾
OMG, Haneef I keep finding you!
right! don't you feel validated?!
Jagahuke-ROAD TO 1K!! lmao I love Wayne!
I haven't watched you in over a year and honestly, wtf you're even more perfect than I remember? Flawless
Awwww xxx :)
I hate it too bc I can never do it !! lol
zakiah tukes same hereeee
Na Ce Me 3! I think AMY WINEHOUSE? Did she wear it? I tried it.. it looked like I had a fight with a bat...and it won! 😱😱😱
zakiah tukes I hate it because it looks like shit on me
zakiah tukes Same! I can't do to save my life lol
same!
I love winged eyeliner... but not the GIANT wings that Guru's do today... they look like they are gonna fly away... I like winged liner that's a good medium, nothing dramatic. And i actually love a winged eyeliner with any eye look, including eyeshadow
Jedi KMA well, some people HAVE to do a giant wing because of their eye shape. I have extremely hooded eyes that extend waaay past the corners of my eyes into my cheeks almost. In order for them to be seen, I need to make it thick and sharply angled.
It's not the shape that bothers me, it's just the full on super glam extra dramatic over the top part that makes me go 😬
Modern Martha by Kelsey lmao thts the best part to me tbh 😂😂 i like makin my eyes pop with some drama
lately i hate winged eyeliner because wings are usually so big that it distracts from the rest of the look and sort of just takes over. people spend so much time blending out beautiful eyeshadow looks only to cover them up halfway with a black stripe.
I hate it on myself because it makes me look even uglier 😱😱😱 and I have the "druggie eyes", so any type of eyeliner gets hidden and it looks heavy 😐
Abigail Black awww don't put yourself down!
It's the same way with my eyes. I cannot pull off winged eyes because of my hooded eyes, it makes them look worse. I can't even really wear eyeliner at all on the top lids! Now my daughter does the wings and looks great. It's just not for everybody.
Abigail Black you don't necessarily need to put eyeliner then, believe mascara alone does wonders!
Abigail Black 😂😂😂😂 druggie eyes? That's a little harsh don't you think?
Abigail Black hey, fellow junkie-eyed sister! #uglypride
I like my winged eyeliner simple and sharp. I wing one for the haters and the other for the fakers and I am ready to go.
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Preach 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Lol it’s for you not them, but I like your spunk! BIG UPS!!!
He's very much like a Lisa Eldridge and Kevyn Aucoin. Simple and classic. Instagram makeup is very different.
When people do black winged liner after doing a black smokey eye... wtf??
But general winged liner I like. As an East Asian it really elongates and tilts up my eyes. But with unnatural eyeshadow, it's a hit or miss for me. Sometimes it looks good, most of the time it looks like a blurry circle with a sharp line poking out of it and it's :/
Lisa Wang it's a mental disorder, they can't do liner without winging it
I feel like people on instagram ABUSE makeup usage! I find winged liner, and eyeshadow absolutely beautiful, when they are BALANCED out. Especially when the winged liner is taken out to extend the eye, rather than taken upwards toward the brows...
I'm glad to hear you say that winged liner over eyeshadow can be too jarring because I really hated covering up the beautiful color work I did with a black line, but it seemed "trendy"... so I would try and FAIL every time lol!! Trends suck sometimes.
Do people really get offended over makeup?
sweetpeaify hooooooly shit are you new here ? Haha people go bat shot crazy in some comment sections haha x
sweetpeaify heck yeah! I don't wear makeup everyday and when I do I only wear eye makeup and even I get the heebee jeebees when I see people wearing makeup a certain way. Winged eyeliner is one and purposely shaved and then drawn in eyebrows are another, and that's just the beginning lol!
sweetpeaify these days people get offended over anything and everything. It's creating a culture of sensitive snowflakes that complain about everything.
Jenna Hopkins ...says the sensitive complaining snowflake...
Lol omg yes ssoooooooo much offenseness there is a ton of drama
some people also draw eyeliner when it does NOT go with their eye shape and closes it up!!! like some eyes would be so much prettier if it was a thin line drawed along the lash line
*winged eyeliner
BeauTAY well I think they just like winged eyeliner and I think it's just fine because we should do what we like and not only if it looks pretty 😊
I think it all depends on your lid , when your lid is downturned sometimes it's better to just do the lash line
I have downturned lids and it's really tough for me. Even if I get the angle right, it's impossible to match the length and thickness of the wing. I wind up taking the edge off and lining the lashline only.
+Makeup Fabulousness I agree I end up doing the same. I only do winged liner with no shadow or little shadow like he says.
I don’t like it. I hate how the “gurus” do these huge thick lines that cover half the shadow they just did. Overdone and over it.
can you please forward this video to every single beauty guru on youtube
Same with the one about the highlighting the nose tip making your nose look like a ski slope.
Every time you make these vids I think of NikkieTutorials😂 I'm not trying to jump on the bandwagon of disliking her like most people, but I just can't stand her makeup most of the time IM SORRY😂 Unpopular opinion, I know
i think she's a mixed bag. sometimes she looks great, but when her looks are bad, they're _really_ bad.
Brittany G. I used to like her, but my patience has worn thin. If you look back at her looks, they are really all one look, different eye, lip colours, maybe a slight variation on shadow technique. It's the same heavy matt base, generic contour, instabrows, crazy highlight, winged liner and lashes. I know that's her thing, but how long can you go on making the same videos week after week.
Brittany G. Omg same😂 she's the first person who pops up in my mind
Lissy Lis Exactly!
I would like to see if anybody of her a thousand million subs ever recreat one of her looks, I bet 0! loll
I completely agree. Winged eyeliner only looks good when it fits the shape of your eyeshadow. You can't slap it on a rounded eye look.
I agree! Sometimes the eyeshadow looks so soft and blended that throwing a thick dark line through it ruins it. I definitely think that technique and shadow shape can make up for not using winged liner. Ps I think the peach/warm palette trend made this even worse. So many nice warm eye looks but with uncalled for liner and lashes that completely cover the eye shadow.
Nope. Winged eyeliner is life for me. I proudly wear a thick black wing every day, with neutral shadows or bold if I choose! And it does work on hooded eyelids, you just gotta find what works for you! A thick pulled out cat eye isn't for everyone but winged eyeliner can be subtle and beautiful as well. I couldn't live without my liquid liner 👌🏽
you look younger and younger each video, and so handsome!
J Gam I think he's a vampire, a handsome vampire ajaja
RukiTheBigMonster I want him to drink my blood then xD
J Gam a sexy ass vampire he could definitely turn me. I could listen to him speak forever and a day....
I thought I was the only one!!!! The winged eyeliner should only be by itself!!!!
Ella Nicol I totally agree with you
Ella Nicol k
Ella Nicol Yup💖
Ella Nicol when this eyeliner shape became popular for it it was in the 50s and during that time the eyeshadow looks we were very simple it was basically one eyeshadow color dusted on the lid maybe two colors but definitely not a very heavy eyeshadow look in the 50s and then they would do the winged liner and that's where it originates from
Same
I love how you put into words what feels "off" about trends like this to me - I feel like something doesn't feel right to do it on myself (even when I try) but hadn't been able to articulate why.
Despite the mixed reactions, I really enjoy these videos to get an artist's perspective on different looks. Sometimes I find myself trying to do too many tricks in one look and wonder why I look like I got punched in the face. Now I can see like "ohhhhh, I'm trying to fit a triangle in a circle( you know those toys for kids?)." Just like art where there are different types of techniques like impressionism, pop art, cubism, etc., the more you understand the fundamentals about different looks or techniques, the more power you have to create your own style. I love learning about the actual thought process behind the application rather than trying to blindly imitate influencers and instagram models. Thank you Wayne for your insight!
I prefer my eyes with a wing at all times when wearing makeup. My eyes are really round and it gives a cool shape.
I have round-ish eyes, and I think they look weird with winged eyeliner.. maybe it's just me ?
Gabe Collins maybe you can change the angle of your wing :) that worked out for me.
Brii Cosgalla maybe.. I'll try a few different angles. thanks :)
KEISHA OMG
I can totally see your point. I love the look of winged eye liner with minimal eye makeup, like an off white lid and slight contoured crease. Brigitte Bardot style. And I think it looks so amazing with bright pink lips. Very 60's.
i need a GIF of this moment 3:00
PromiseSoul648 I still want it too
Haha yes
It looks unnatural. looks like cleopatra is trying to make a comeback
theAbeElement In my opinion I don't think winged eyeliner is meant to look natural lol...
Only if it's overdone. It became popular in the 1960s and looked so great.
It's a retro look.
theAbeElement so does purple lips and golden cheekbones, it's makeup. it doesn't have to look natural
k let me rephrase: unnatural was the wrong word. I think it looks stupid.
Completely agree it looks so much better with a lighter shade of eyeshadow!!❤️💜💙💚💛
So clearly you hate all makeup trends now lol
Your videos have been so bizarre lately
Vanessa love he's gunna hate foundation next & say we should all start using bare makeup 😂
Hunni Bunny right?! 😂 ridiculous
Vanessa love I know... I've noticed this lol. He says "it's just make up" yet feels the need to make a vid saying that he hates it 🤔 😂
perhaps he feels undervalued in todays world of makeup. I for one love instagram makeup, but also natural looks! His makeup is natural, and for people who don't want to put much makeup on. In today's society, I think its great how makeup is evolving, and I think he makes these hate videos because he is falling behind, but doesn't want to catch up, so tries to turn everyone against something they may enjoy!
He is so fucking right.
I totally agree. And then some people do wings with every. Single. Look.
Alicia Haight yuhfkoyjl jkokujmmlhfh
Alicia Haight yes omg it's so annoying
Probably because a lot of people don't blend very well and the winged liner and lashes cover it up.
Why do you care how other people wear their makeup? Wear your own shit and shut the fuck up
Agree. It is so annoying to see it so often. Most ladies don't apply it correctly anyway, in that case it would be better to stay off it. Just looks like hooks, gross.
Absolutely love wings, They're so transformative and can create so many different affects and moods on the eye. Anywhere from short wings to thin flicks to massive, dramatic, Amy Winehouse wings. I think the key is finding a wing that complements the makeup you're wearing.
Aluna Shepard truth! They're just so amazing and satisfying themselves there's no need to wear eyeshadow.
Amy never used eyeshadow. That's what he is saying
I also prefer to wear eyeliner without eyeshadow :)
I do too but I always on in with some neutral shades and a shade a tad darker to define my crease based on my eye shape. For me the matte background makes the bold black line sexier :)
Verena Valkyrie same! 99.99% of the time I'm wearing it I'm wearing it without any eyeshadow.
I hate it and obsessed too. prefer minimum eyeshadow and focus on wing liner more and to me looks beaut
I feel bad. As an artist, I'm supposed to notice details, but I really never noticed it. I'm 61, and eye looks have changed a time or two.(ok, maybe three) . Bisecting a circle with a line can be quite attractive if done precisely. It's the smudged liner with wing added that makes no sense to me.
BTW, you know I love you. It's funny how watching someone on UA-cam for an extended time you begin to feel like you know them. You have certain little facial mannerisms that are so charming. Even though I'm older than you, I feel like a little sister. It's a nice feeling❣💋
Yes! I have slightly hooded lids and I have a hard time with winged liner. Frankly, I'm not good at it and can't make it work. I would rather create a softer cat eye effect with shadow and, if I'm feeling dramatic, false lashes. I think what gets me most "riled" up is seeing all these makeup looks with winged liner and false lashes when it's not something we should all be striving for on an everyday basis....atleast not in my mind.
You're missing out get eyelid surgery
Sonika ....Rude
Eyelid surgery is pointless, the eyelid is moveable skin therefore will over time become stretched and sag again. I know this how, because I myself have hooded lids and looked into it and was told not to waste my money.
Jaden, I wear the same look. I don't like this heavy make up look daily.
Do not make people feel like they need surgery to fix something that isn't a problem!
I don't usually go back on comments that I've left on videos but the response of "get eye surgery" made me laugh.
Always respect your thoughts on things Wayne , people have different opinions that's why we are all individuals you're awesome
Being Asian winged eyeliner is what I ve been doing since high school. I think winged eyeliner is best for monolids😂
I completely agree!!! I hate when they make a beautiful eye shadow look and then hide it all with a HUGE wingliner and faulsies!
You really are the only beauty UA-camr I know, that isn't annoying
Smoky eyes is not a look that necessarily follows a rounded shape. So it's not actually like putting a straight line into a circle (which can be a nice editorial look by the way).
Totally. Like i said in this video... elongated, kate eye smoking eye, the list is endless. Its just preferences.
Yes! Thank u for sharing your point of view Wayne ❤
Marco Menichini I think the rounded smokey eye was just an example
Marco Menichini
hi Marco, just wondering how you put the *love heart* in your comment...?
Ahahahahah!!! :D If you have a macbook you can search the heart emoji and use it ❤️
I genuinely like him but at this point he just complains too much about other people's makeup
I completely agree with you, Wayne. After years of practice with makeup, I have come to the same conclusion. I would love to see you do a tutorial on winged liner over simple shadow for hooded, mature eyes.
you should have done Tati's wedding makeup.
Agreed!!
But she still looked stunning 💓
Morgan Bev why JC slayed it...
maybe next wedding? lol
I think I've finally figured out why I disagree with you so often. I think you use makeup purely as a means of enhancement to your natural features. I use makeup as a means of self expression and essentially completely change the features of my face. It seems everything you love is soft subtle and natural. But when I wear makeup, I want people to KNOW in wearing it: I want it to be a statement and I want it to catch attention. Mostly when it comes to the eyes.
Winged eyeliner is my go to look. For a regular day, I do just gel eyeliner, mascara and lipstick. Recently, for more evening look, I tried gel eyeshadow ( bronze shade, Maybelline Color Tattoo) and black eyeliner, which give my eyes more definition. Anyways, lots of love from Slovakia! :)
stomedy oh, yes I do
Thank God for you, Wayne! You are the only one I can find who reads my mind when it comes to makeup. How I wish there were more artists like you.. ❤
I think it looks pretty, as long as the eyeshadow is a very light colored neutral.
I love winged eyeliner no matter what it's on
RIGHT ! and also the tons of product some women use, it's incredible : it's seems they don't see well ! Huge dark brows, huge eye liner wings, lipstick, bronzer, blush, concealer, serums, primers, lipliners etc etc... But we still love make up !
Kiss from France
Totally agree! And my fav wing is the stripped down, bare eye with just the eyeliner as the focus. It's so fresh & youthful. Love that!
I like it. I see makeup as art, some things I wouldn't like for myself, but I can appreciate on others. It's interesting the looks people are creating. ☺
Lol i love winged eyeliner!! I put it on daily based 😂
Winged eyeliner looks terribly done most of the time I see it. I don't know why it is so common, considering many can't do it right.
Halo eye shadow with winged eye liner is my pet peeve!!!
I don't dislike eyeliner I dislike the fact that I can't do a winged eye for shit
i love you but i LOVE me some winged eyeliner
And i love you :)
What Wayne!!!😲
Only thing stopping me from winged eyeliner are my hooded eyes.😭
Love you tho.😆💕
you say your opinions so respectfully and I really love that about you. alot of people's opinions usually come off as disrespectful and judgemental but you always seem to just word everything so kind and honestly
PLease show the examples in action of what wrong and what's good thank you
I've started using a method from Linda Hallberg, taking a small bit of an eyeliner pencil, and gently smudging that out with an angled brush. It's way less intense, very subtle and way easier. Regular winged liner I strongly dislike, it makes the eye look way smaller and if it isn't PERFECT it looks tacky.
I love it personally. I actually hate how I look with makeup if I don't have my super winged liner! It really just opens and elongates my eyes which I love without it my eyes look very small
YES! This makes so much sense to me because 9 out of 10 times if I've worked really hard on my eyeshadow I don't want to mess it up with a wing! I love when the eyeshadow is light and the wing is the statement of the look, or when the eyeshadow is the statement and the liner is simply for definition's sake. Of course there's exceptions--wings can look stunning with bold looks too--but this video sums up why I always seem to struggle making a wing look right with strong eyeshadow looks. Thanks for putting it into words!
what do you think about makeup without doing a lot to eyebrows? I wear light foundation, setting powder, blush, mascara, a darkish lip stain, and occasionally eyeliner. but I don't do much to my brows. I darken them a bit and fill in any patches. I like the shape, and I don't like the overdone Instagram eyebrow look. but I hear so much about how terrible it looks when girls don't fill, contour, make their eyebrows perfect.
Rose Lee check out his videos on the perfect eyebrow. He said in one of them he's not (or wasn't at the time) a fan of over-groomed eyebrows.
Rose Lee Natural brows always look better,I barely have brows due to a fucking idiot who burnt my follicles with hot wax at a salon so i have no choice but the chola look...Still i Rock it tho ha,ha.😉💕
Me too. I often wonder if I should do more with my eyebrows. I still leave them natural all the time. Maybe I'm doing it wrong!
I personally think that's okay as long as everything is equal by that I mean the lips can't be fully done with a dark colour with nothing on the eyes, but I think you can get away with a lot of eye makeup and subtle lips. So basically what your doing is what I would do anyway but do whatever you want! If u end up regretting it, it's okay u will learn
For a full glam look, those with patches or really fair hair- well groomed eyebrows are essential. For the average person with minimal makeup? You're fine. 😊
here comes all the people who are offended by this video.
RENAY Singleton aka me
I hate it because I can't do it lol
you literally have made my day. I have always hated liner on myself for the same reason. But people always told me I couldn't be a pro artist without knowing how to do it. Melly Patrice is another artist i love who does amazing makeup without liner. I personally think it creates a fresher eye look.
You can avoid that problem by mapping out the liner first, that way it doesn't "cut" through your colored shadow. That's a pet peeve for me too, but it can be avoided if you know how.
when I used to do eyeliner, my friend showed me the scotch tape trick. I only applied the liner, however my friend would first define the line with a black shadow, then apply all the other shadows she has in mind and then she would draw on the eyeliner... I think in this order. Worked like a charm!
I agree winged eyeliner has its place
I like a little wing..or a short thick flick. Some of these beauty gurus its like damn! In person some would look like complete clowns!
I'm glad you brought this up. It seems that lately we are taught that our makeup looks are incomplete unless we do a winged eyeliner. And while I do appreciate a winged eyeliner and love many looks that include it, I think we (UA-cam gurus) need to focus on the beauty of a beautiful eyeshadow look WITHOUT a winged liner. Thanks for making this Wayne!
totally agree!! finally someone said it!!
all he does is enhancing beauty, not drawing unnatural features. no one was born with winged eyes
how boring lol
No-one is born with dark red lips either but it looks stunning on many
Actually a lot of people are born with dark red lips lol
Shrek Boi fuckin show me a baby with dark red lips fresh out the womb and I'll be scared
I feel naked without my bold winged eyeliner. I'll usually go for a nude eye with maybe a dark brown at the outer edge.. but as a closet goth girl (I'm a mum so I can't be going around with serious goth make up 24/7) I love a good dark eye and my eyeliner too when I'm feeling like heavy make up. however my eyeliner usually lines up perfectly with my shadow. maybe it's my eye shape that affects that?
Completely agree. It's like creating a lovely piece of art and slashing through it with a sharpie marker. Cosmetics are to enhance, not deform. But, to each their own, yes?