Porsche 718 Battle: Cayman S vs Boxster GTS 4.0 | One-Mile Review
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
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The 718 Cayman S and 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 share the same platform and, in the case of this heavily optioned Cayman, many of the same features. Their engines couldn't be more different: 350-horsepower turbocharged flat four and 394-horsepower naturally aspirated flat six. For this review, we asked which one is better drive drive and came away with a surprising answer.
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2022 718 Cayman S
Engine: Water-cooled flat four
Displacement: 2.5 liters
Induction: Turbocharged
Output: 350 horsepower
Torque: 309 lb-ft
Transmission: 7-speed PDK
Original MSRP (w/options): $104,560
Options:
Python Green
Leather Interior in Black w/deviated stitching
Extended deviated stitching package
7-speed PDK
PASM Sport (lowered 20mm)
PTV with mechanical locking differential
Rear model designation delete
Silver window trim
Smoking package
Painted side intake grilles
Carbon-fiber interior trim
18-way Adaptive Sport Seats Plus
Sport Chrono Package
Door-sill guards in stainless steel
Sport tailpipes in silver
20-inch Carrera Sport wheels
Porsche crest on headrests
Clear taillights
Bose Surround Sound System
Heated multi-function steering wheel
Premium Package:
- Power Folding Exterior Mirrors
- Light Design Package
- Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
- Porsche Entry & Drive
- Lane Change Assist (LCA)
- LED Headlights with PDLS+
- Ventilated Seats
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2022 718 Boxster GTS 4.0
Engine: Water-cooled flat six
Displacement: 4.0 liters
Induction: Naturally aspirated
Output: 394 horsepower
Torque: 309 lb-ft
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Original MSRP (w/options): $102,400
Options:
Carmine Red
Roadster top in Black
Leather and Race-Tex interior in Black w/GTS package
Carmine Red deviated stitching
Tachometer in Carmine Red
GTS Interior package
PASM (Raised +10 mm)
Supp. Safety Bars in exterior color
Smoking package
Steering wheel and gear lever in Leather
Door handles high gloss black
Exclusive Design fuel cap
Premium package:
- LED headlights w/PDLS
- BOSE Surround Sound
- Power folding mirrors
- Heated multifunction steering wheel
- Light Design Package
- Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
- Porsche & Drive
- Lane Change Assist
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the 4.0 has an 8k rev limit, don't think you want past 5k, really comes alive high up, you have missed the entire point of the 4.0.
4.0 is the one for those who has a patience waiting for torque :(
As a dealer (who typically has various Porsches on hand), this video spoke to me as it can be really hard to choose between some of the newest Porsches. On paper you may think you have a clear winner, but then the actual drive of the car reveals something you weren't expecting. It is obvious that both are outstanding Porsches, and thanks for doing a fine job evaluating these cars for all of us!
It is our pleasure. You are absolutely right, it all changes once you behind the wheel. We appreciate the kind words.
I’ve owned a 718 boxter S and the GTS4.0 - I’d pick the gts anyday! Fun factor 15 !!
Thanks for sharing. Hope you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for the comparison 1 mile review. I have a 2018 718 Cayman GTS with a manual transmission, purchased new in 2020. Because of the 4 cylinder and the fact that Porsche announced that they would release a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder for 2020, the car sat, unsold, at the dealership for 20 months. I got lucky and picked up the $100K MSRP car for $75K. I have no problem with a 4 cylinder. The performance is great, or great enough, and I love the sound. I had my eyes on the car for the entire 20 months. I feel that the car was made just for me. I recently drove a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 at Barber Motorsports for 2 days. I have to say, I noticed very little difference between that and my car. Although in theory I like what Porsche did with the 718 GTS, I would say that it was likely not necessary to upgrade the displacement. They were just responding to the customer, which is what Porsche does. Like Damon, I am, and have been, a huge fan of the Cayman. Spot on review of both cars.
Enjoyed reading your response. You certainly got a great deal on it. Thank you for watching and for the kind words.
I own a 718 Cayman GTS 2.5 and love it. The low-end torque of the turbo models helps to overcome the long gearing issues that have plagued the platform since it's inception. Add an aftermarket exhaust, put it through the hands of a professional tuner and you get a 460 hp unicorn that feels stock, is easy to daily drive and will max your smile-o-meter on the backroads. It shouldn't come as a surprise, but Porsche makes excellent vehicles.
We couldn't agree more. Thank you sharing your thoughts.
Hey, actually having a 981 GTS, im looking for a 718 S or GTS 2.5.
In fact, im looking for a manual gearbox, and the thing you say about the long gearing is what lead me to think that a turbo boxster/cayman is what should be aimed at... it will clearly make more sense that way...
And I think the better châssis, steering, interior makes it for the sound for me...
Im now more into feeling the driving than listening to the car. And im a musician lol
Plus, as you said, as a turbo engine, you can upgrade it like hell !
I love both cars. Personally I loved the look of the red GTS over the green. The Boxster is one of my favorite Porsches that I have owned. It is an amazing experience driving the canyons in a convertible with my wife. It is also the only Porsche she has not complained about my owning because of how fun they are to drive.
Put a tuner on a 2.5 S model and you are approaching super car performance with 32 miles to the gallon. But I do think both cars are amazing. I would be happy with either.
Love both Cars!!! Manual is the way to go for me! Although the 4.0 GTS is highly sought after, the 2.5 Cayman is too underrated and a much better value in today's market.
The flat four is definitely underrated...
That would be true...except in this case the Cayman was over highly optioned and cost more than the 4.0.
I'm not sure you can argue it's a better value when it was the more expensive of these two cars ($104K vs $102K).
@@brooks5276 Well, maybe you're getting more options wit the S, so overall getting more goodies if you're ok with the 2.5. Some would prefer the higher usable torque and more growl in normal daily driving so maybe actually better for those folks?
I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I am wanting a Cayman and was really set on the 4.0 but the price of a used Cayman S always me to get some nice aftermarket forged wheels, PPF, Fidelity Platinum Warranty, and other goodies and still come under the 4.0 price tag. Also the usable torque is something that would be useful for my driving habits.
Morning!
I’m the owner of a 2022 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 in the Bay Area. Would have loved to see the comparison to the Boxster GTS 4.0 to my model, as opposed to the Cayman S.
Great vid
Just finished watching the whole video. A few thoughts:
1-The 10mm lift is a key option. I didn’t order it and regret the decision.
2- rare colors and configurations get more attention. My GTS 4.0 is in FrozenBerry Metallic. She gets a fair amount of attention. More than I anticipated.
3- I’ve only been to a few Cars and Coffee, but my GTS gets a fair amount of traffic. In part because of the color and the 4L engine.
4- I wanted a GTS 4.0 because these NA engines are a dying breed.
Cheers
Do you find the sport PASM too harsh?
Thanks for sharing!
I have a 2018 718 Boxster S MT and when the 4.0 GTS came out I thought for sure I would have to upgrade. But the truth is, my car is so much fun I can't really justify the cost to upgrade. Especially for the type of driving I love... It just eats up twisty roads and is generally great for autocross style driving. Maybe if I lived in Germany and drove the autobahn often...
Performance on both is almost the same…
They perform very differently. The 2.5t has gobs of torque flat almost all the way through. You really have to ring out the 4.0 to access the performance and most of the max HP is up top and very little torque.
Also, get a $1k tune on the S, youre keeping up with the GT4RS
The fours don’t have turbo lag that I notice. But there is a turbo threshold that people often mistake for lag. That’s different and it’s a non issue when you keep it in the right gear. I have a flat four manual and it’s as fantastic for the roads around me. So much torque. And you still get to Rev it out. As for the sound, I love it. It’s not tuneful as such but it’s dramatic when you wind it out.
Great point! Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts with us. We hope you enjoyed the video.
Great comparison review. I never had an issue with the sound from my carmine red 718S. It was a solid car. Enjoyed many a mile in it.
These one mile reviews feel so constrained. Leaves so much unexplored…maybe change to a 10 mile review 😬.
Turn the video speed down and you’ll have the same experience
I loved the sound of the 944 turbo so I have no problem with 4 cylinder engines.
I had a 2018 Cayman S and now have a 2023 Cayman GTS, both with manual transmission. One thing that doesn't seem to get mentioned, and this probably only applies to manual transmissions cars, is that even though the 2.5T generally has more low and mid-range torque the 4.0 has more right off idle. With the 2.5 you kind of had to modulate the clutch and throttle in order to get going smoothly. With the 4.0 you can ease off the clutch much more casually without having to modulate the throttle as much. I almost think it would be a good car to teach someone how to drive standard without worrying too much about stalling the engine. After 2k, yeah, the 2.5T was stronger but when you get to about 5k the 4.0 will start to pull harder. The 2.5T was a pretty smooth engine but the 4.0 is MUCH smoother. In terms of sound I had no issues with the 2.5T but the 4.0 is on another level - not just in tone but the way the sound personality changes with RPM and load. I liked my 2.5T. I like my 4.0 much more.
Heard the turbo engines are less reliable.
The ground clearance of Cayman S and Vanilla seems to be higher.
Heard it is really difficult to change oil as its a Mid engine car.
Heard… what is that mean? A person without data his just a person with an opinion… facts matter.
2.5l F4 is rowdy, shame all the initial reviews were so hard on it for sound. Wouldn't kick a 4.0 gts out of bed either though.
They were hard on it for sound because it pales in comparison to the sound a N/A flat-6 makes. It's like going from steak to a hamburger. Might be a great burger but it'll never be a choice cut of steak.
Plus, it 100% sounds like a Subaru. Not exactly what someone wants who spends almost six figures on a sports car.
Wymotome, I have grown up on Subaru WRCs and disagree 4 cylinders in Porsche sounds different than Subaru. Those who say that has problem with their ears! Mayby you need to see your Doctor!
@123antimiro flat 4 turbo is a flat 4 turbo. They don't sound identical but they sound very similar. I don't need a doctor to tell me that the motor configuration is the same because it's obviously audible. Sorry that you cannot hear it.
There are flat 6 subarus as well, sound just like a gt3
@aaronschen9896 in lower rpms they definitely do. They don't spin to 9k though and a lot of the gt3/porsche flat 6 unique character comes in above 7000 rpms.
Totally agree with the sound of the boxer 4 though, it’s a porsche version of the subaru sound and it has a fantastic sound in its own right. If any one is considering buying the flat 4 go out and drive it and don’t let childish journalists put you off
Great point. Highly recommend taking a flat-four model on a test drive if you're not dead set on a flat six.
I love the low bassy sound of it in the low revs in my Boxster S. For me the reason to buy a S over the 4.0 is the fact that you can tune it way better, to 500 HP if you've the money. And the fuel economy is better ;-)
@@nicovink7745this is the only thing that matters. That turbo is the key 🔑 🔑🔑
If the cheaper model is lighter and faster when tuned… why are you getting the gts?
Im a little biased as i already have a flat 6 but that fomo of not being able to slap a turbo on the engine without it blowing up really hits hard
Good comparison. Both cars “wake up” even more with aftermarket mods. Changing the exhaust system on the 4.0 has quite an impact on the sound level at lower revs, but doesn’t release much extra power. Adding a tune to the 2.5 turbo has quite a dramatic impact - taking it to 420HP and even more torque. An out of warranty 718S with a tune is quite fun to drive in any situation, and is easier on the wallet. Love them both though.
Great points about both of these cars.
If you want to get an idea of “S” capability here is a mostly stock 718S (SPASM and PTV) with a tune and some track tires having a go at a track day ua-cam.com/video/NpHpAKBKbAo/v-deo.html
I got the 4.0 Cayman and couldn’t be happier with it, love everything about it. The 2.5 looks amazing as well and is better value of course, I was just lining after the noise a bit too much
Good to hear! Thanks for watching.
Thank you for the really great review. I would like to ask you a polite question. Do you think it is better to add (PASM) (Raised 10 mm) option to GTS car or not to add it?
Totally agree with the pdk and manual point. Quite a few reviews of the GT4 and GTS highlight that the PDK wakes the 4.0 engine up.
Once again, I’m liking the comparison format. Also like the ties to Rennbow paint can ratings. Other posters have mentioned the current value differences in these cars, which is hard to ignore.
What's the mid tem/ long term maintenance reliability between the 2.5 vs. 4.0?
The Turbo bcoz of Turbo should be less reliable engine wise.
@@hpspectre5184turbos used to be less reliable years ago - but that hasn’t been the case for a decade or so.
Whats the point of driving a porsche with automatic transmission?
On track or an autocross course, there is a distinct advantage.
PDK is much better if you’re using it as a daily especially if it’s primarily city driving.
Getting the 2.5 T because of the daily usable torque for normal speeds in commutes, but I totally get the draw if the 4.0 when chasing those sexy RPMs!
Excellent and definitely non biased comparison!
I am personally very happy with my Boxster S and I have zero international to “upgrade” to a 4.0 or even sell…
Enjoy!
Hey Bay Area buddy 👋 I also got the same car as you but in a more stealthy agate grey color. I agree with your 4th conclusion and the same reason I had to secure one before it’s gone. I don’t mind the spasm it’s not as low as I thought I’m able to go over parking stops without scratching and after 9 months my front lip is still Virgin.
Can we take a moment to love those wheels on the Cayman? Not going to Bum the Yum of the GTS owner’s spec, but the Cayman nails it in my book.
Indeed, best color and wheels for sure.
Yes. PORSCHE has the best wheels, no question, that combine styling with being an adult owning a fantastic auto.
Totally agree. 4k is all you really need. Then to think it goes to 7.8k. Still breaking it in, so trying to keep revs down.
Ive grown to like the 2.5 flat 4. It’s better for regular driving. The 4.0 gts is good as a weekend or track car
Agreed. Thanks for watching.
Just a note for taller drivers in that the 4 cylinder has a full 2 inches more leg room than the 6. So for tall folks don't get in a 4cyl and assume the 6cyl will be the same.
Thanks for the tip👍
And more space in the trunk according to the configurator when you select show differences if a S and 4.0 GTS are selected. The S has 2 Liters more space.
Yes thought he would mention but he didn't.
It was in another review. Your legs will be higher so it makes long drives uncomfortable but in that case you should go for 911 as it has a much more comfortable drive.
Really? I’ve never heard this. Are you inferring that Porsche modified the rear firewall for the 4.0 to fit? I’m 6’-6” and “just” fit into my Boxster S. I’d been considering upgrading to the 4.0 but if there’s a physical/dimensional difference, I’ll have to reconsider this.
I drove 1174 miles.in one day and it was just great. A 9+ on road trip and 11 on fun factor. We are basically in full agreement. I do have a V8 RS5 for rev therapy so, now I will watch to hear your thoughts on the 4.0 As a product development and marketing person I would rethink the decimal scoring system, it is....
The color of the 2.5 718S is awesome , but I would go for the 4.0 engine manual it is more fun to drive in my opinion. Great format I like it much.
Nice job and great review.
I think with the 4 cylinder it was the length of shift points. By the time you were to shift into 3rd, you were going far over the speed limit. So it was the shift interaction. Just shifting between 1st and 2nd, sometimes 3rd, wasn't enough.
I am amused that the Boxster is somewhat looked down upon. I test drove a new Cayman in ‘09 bought a70 911E instead. During the pandemic I bought a pristine speed yellow ‘10 Boxster S manual 6 cylinder with 22K miles. Very different cars but the Boxster turns heads and runs and drives like a champ
Thanks for sharing. Happy to hear you are enjoying enjoying your Boxster.
I would take the Boxster...
Boxster is clean! Thank you for watching.
Damon, great job did you have the GTS in sport exhaust?
Thank you! And for loaning the car out for a bit! Yes, I did put the GTS 4.0 in sport exhaust mode.
I like these reviews! Keep them coming.
copy that.
Remark that in Europe the taxes for a 4.0 engine are extremely high ! ......
Not in Germany 😊
I am located in Belgium 🇧🇪
One time tax 5000 €
yearly tax 2500€
@@cayman9815 really, you have to pay a yearly tax on the 4.0?
@@wyang4895
indeed 2500€ every year
Who listens to NPR when there are engine notes to entertain you? 🤣 Another great vid, but 1 mile is still not enough!!
Agreed. If we could we would drive it for over a mile. Nevertheless, we have been working on making the reviews longer and more entertaining.
I don’t care what the engine is, I am not listening to npr.
PCA Members here and I’m torn about trading my 992 S for a GTS 4.0. Not sure what to do, my 992 just feels too big to me….thoughts?
Just drove one, if it's in Sport Plus and PSE it is louder than the Cayman S.
He prefers the sound bouncing off the walls in the cabin for the S, but then decides to drive the 4.0 with the roof down for comparison.
Great content and production. Really like the extended format too.
The Boxster had me at the word "manual." Manual seats, manual transmission - sign me up!
I have a 2020 GT4 and I have to say the engine is pretty special. The GTS version is slightly detuned but I’m not sure what else they took out of it. That said buying a GTS now will cost more than what I paid for the GT4. I would not bother daily driving the car but it sure is fun on banzai runs. I think it might still be a bit soft as a dedicated track weapon but within the Porsche lineup. This car is the most fun for the buck. I’ve had six Porsches over the last 35 years including a GT3 RS. The 992s are surely more capable but there’s a point where too much sauce no matter how tasty doesn’t always improve the experience. I’d also agree the flat 4 deserves better ratings. If you just want to be fast, a PDK with a good engine tune will get you right on the ass of any GT4, for a driver with similar skills.
Thank you for sharing. All good points. Hope you enjoyed the video.
NPR, is a state sponser propergander station !
It is, isn't it? 30 years ago it was still okay. Now, it's progressive talking points. But back to cars!
Maybe the 718 sounded louder because it’s a coupe? I would imagine you lose some decibels given it’s a convertible.
That's what Damon thought. The engine noise in the 4.0 sounded a bit more distant.
I hate the manual seats. It is super simple to adjust the AND program the 18 way seats for multiple drivers.
You listen to NPR. That radio must have EXTRA volume!!
Really, not to nitpick but comparing a manual vs a pdk really prevents any direct comparison of the engines. Disappointing.
Thanks for the feedback.
Your point is well taken, but a direct comparison of engines was never the purpose of the video.
As someone who was slightly involved with setting this up - 😜 - the idea was to compare the extremes of the 718 platform - body style, engine, and transmission, without dipping into the GT cars.
As an alternative to the much rarer 4.0 GTS models, I believe the flat four turbo models aren’t the “major downgrade” in performance that is sometimes reported by journalists. It’s certainly not like the 911/912 or 914/914-6 differences.
We should all be grateful that Porsche offers so many different configurations and options, especially in these crazy times of supply chain issues.
You should have raised the convertible top and widows, so that you could hear the engine better.
@@M_IkeLeBlanc No one said they (4pot turbo) were necessarily a downgrade in performance. But they were a massive downgrade in sound and character. The 4pot turbo is absolutely nothing like the n/a flat 6 when you get over 5K RPMs.
@@wymotome - while I agree about the sound characteristics of the 4.0 being better than the 2.5, it’s all relative to me since my previous car was a 2018 Audi TTRS. Neither of the Porsche engines come close to the rumble and growl of the Audi 2.5L Five cylinder.
Wish they would try 5 mile reviews instead
Unrelated to this specific video I would like to ask Damon a question about his 987. I understand that you installed a lighter flywheel, can you give us a handle on the impacts of that and how much lighter it is? I am doing some weight reduction on mine and Im thing about that mod.- Thanks- Allan
Glad to answer. I installed the Aasco 13-pound single mass flywheel part# AM10-6412-11. I also installed a Sachs sport spring-centered clutch disc, Spec pressure plate, spec metal throwout bearing. At the same time, Wevo semi-solid transmission mounts. A bit more NVH, but not bad at all in my opinion, much less than what I was expecting. The engine revs more quickly, but not as quickly as I was expecting. Pulling away in first is nearly unchanged from the stock flywheel; my best comparison is that the difference in how 964s drive with stock vs lightweight flywheels is much larger and more noticeable. In a nutshell, I love this flywheel because it makes the engine slightly revvier with slightly better throttle response, but with none of the drawbacks people normally associate with lightweight flywheels. However, if you're hoping for it to completely change the character of the car, I don't think that's what you'll get (unlike in a 964). The only reason I might advise against installing a lightweight flywheel is that experts I trust have told me they can introduce some bad harmonics into the M96/M97 engine and make it more likely to break a crankshaft, which are not as strong as in, say, a GT3. So to help with that, I also installed an RSS 608 harmonically-damped underdrive pulley, though I did that after driving with the stock pulley for half the year (supply chain issues meant I had to wait 10 months for my damped underdrive pulley). I figure that many, many more people have run this flywheel with no broken crankshafts, so I was willing to take the chance. I would recommend installing the damped undedrive pulley (which does require grinding off some of the timing boss). The proper way to run these flywheels, I have been told by the same experts, is to balance it to the engine, which ideally means factor the flywheel into an engine rebuild. However, one of those experts also told me that I could have had the flywheel balanced, much like a tire/wheel package is balanced (but by taking metal off rather than adding weights) to at least make sure it spins perfectly smoothly. I didn't do this, so I will if the flywheel ever comes off again. However, I am comfortable running it as is and had a great oil analysis after last autocross season.
I have a 2018 718 Cayman GTS with PDK in GT Silver and I absoultely love it. I do love the Python Green color and although the sound of the 4.0 is a bit better the 2.5 turbo still has a great sound especially in more spirited driving.
"We're not really able to drive this car hard right now..." **whispers** on camera. Both great looking, loving that Python Green (cause you know I'm Rennbow paint can superfan).
lol. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Wish you had put the top up then evaluated the sound. Otherwise, I agree -tough choice.
Good point! Thank you for watching.
I own a '23 Cayman GTS with PDK, and think a better comparison would be Cayman S vs Cayman GTS and Boxster S vs Boxster GTS.....have each with PDK and Manual, then you can make the comparison. Extremely difficult to find any GTS and really enjoy the car!
Does your GTS feel like it has plenty of power even pulling away from a stop or at low RPM?
I had an '09 Carrera S with PDK, and it was amazing...I tracked the car at Porsche HPDE events and really enjoyed the car. The Cayman GTS with PDK is even better, and very enjoyable but I'm still in breakin period so I haven't taken to track yet. It has plenty of power from a stop and in normal mode easy to drive...when in sport mode, it wakes up quite a bit but I only use on the challenging roads. By the way, I'm getting 32 mpg on the highway with cruise set at 68, so it's also an economy car :) .
You can’t compare those two or any sports cars for that matter in a one mile Sunday driver speed limited drive
I had the 4cyl now with the gts 4.0
Yes the low torque is better on the turbo and the under 3500 rpm the gts is quieter but as far as drama is concerned man what a difference the flat 6 4.0 whales up and down up and down and screams while the 4 cyl gives the same monotonous tone throughout the power band
So drama wise it’s a no brainer but in some other aspects the turbo is great and even better than the 4.0 like low torque fuel economy maintenance costs
It is about preference. Somebody likes blondie somebody brunette.
2.5S allways preffered at my end. No way 4.0. I have no time to wait for torque.
These 2 cars are quite different - one has a flat NA 6 cyl engine, it's convertible and has a manual transmission.
The other is 4 cyl turbo engine, it's a coupe and has a PDK auto transmission.
And on top of that you drove the Cayman harder in Normal mode and the Boxster you drove harder in Sport mode!?
Still... thanks for the review tho
If I spent 90k I don’t want it to sound like a WRX. That’s the problem.
I dont know that you can accurately compare the sound in a convertible to a coupe of the same car. Of course the 718 S sounds louder, the engine is inside the cabin. In the Boxster with the top down, you obviously have a lot more insulation between the engine and your ear, especially the loss of N/A induction sound. I'm surprised this obvious difference was lost on the host in this video.
You didn’t mention the price difference. Is it worth the price difference? I keep on watching reviews and in my opinion for every day driving the 4 cyl is better. Even if you want to drive fast in back road sometimes
He shows the prices for both in the video. The S is actually more than the GTS by $2K. It is a heavily optioned S but when you add all of the things that come standard on the GTS, the price isn't 'that' different.
The 4.0 has so much more potential, yes you can chip the 2.5, but I do want to wind it out still. Any kind of oap/manifolds or headers will add some serious power and torque. The 2.5 is much better suited to the pdk so you aren't losing boost between shifts, the pops and bangs are way too much, and it's a shame to not have the best manual in the industry.
I'm a bit biased as I have an inconel setup on my 4.0, hardly a need to downshift in most daily driving scenarios. I would also agree on a longer review.
As a 718S owner, the 2.5 cars are way unrated …
Your scoring metric is not really an accurate metric to compare car types. It's too dependent on specific specs like color and transmission choice. Shame you can't compare boxster s vs boxster GTS or Cayman s vs Cayman GTS - same transmission vs same transmission... and drop the color from being a factor in your rating. Also not sure how you wouldn't give a convertible a higher fun factor?? The ability to drop the top or keep the top up absolutely increases fun factor...
Not sure what the point is here. A coupe and/or PDK is going to be a different experience than a convertible and/or a 6-speed manual, even if they had identical engines.
They are similar enough for this cursory review
What a great review on both cars. I love both cars. I dig the green more then the red.
Happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
If the boxster were to be guards red then it should have won by a landslide 😊
Sorry that 6 is so much better sounding. Thats a huge deal for me. I sure wish Porsche would have kept them 6s.
Another category might be collectibility?
Good one!! Thanks for sharing.
Naturally aspirated is the only way to go.
Your glasses are too wide, no way can these cars be graded after a stifled, 1 mile drive...my opinion.
NPR.....lol. will not be listening to NPR when I take delivery of my GTS 4.0 this November.
Congratulations!!
What a great choice to have between these two great cars.Yet in the end its always the Cayman which gets the nod.I would prefer the manual box in it too.The Cayman is almost the perfect user friendly sportscar out there.
It's hard to believe that a man who would preface anything about these two cars with "... compared to my Camry ..." wouldn't give each a rating of 11 out of 10 in each category.
I used to drive my base 2018 Cayman (6 spd manual) more sprited (read way harder) than in this video , even when I went to pick up milk, and I would come home each time with a racing heart.
A 4.0 GTS with PDK? Jeebus. I might have met every policeman in my slightly rural area. 😂 I now have a Macan S and enjoy not chatting with police.
What kind of rating is "5 paint cans"? XD Sounds kinda funny.
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Boxster and Cayman are ONLY referred to as 7 eighteen in America. The rest of the world uses 7 one eight. Only in America have Porsche Type numbers been incorrectly pronounced. The 9 eleven is the only exception. Read Ferry Porsche's autobiography for confirmation.
Negative on the NPR comment
I just could never buy a 4-pot Porsche, so the decision would be very easy.
I believe Peter, a drive in my 1965 356SC would cause you to reconsider..
@@howardgrubbs6216 thats a beautiful car at least exteriorwise incredible. Congrats for owning that car!! I own a Taycan 4S 😄
718 Spyder owner here: you should have compared the "volume" of the sound by testing the Boxster with the roof up!
Almost lost me at NPR