13:31 Jack smugly smiling because he knew one day Mark not only would succumb to the glory that is Porsche, but would do so with wild excitement. Much like Squidward trying his first Krabby Patty.
Not for debadging though. But on the other hand, at least in Germany, the car comes with red brake calipers with any paint color and if you want them black you have to pay 820€ extra! 🤦🖕
Alex_Soto and they won't be flying out the door. Better off with a fully spec'd Miata , more fun, less worry and same result. You'll get your money back too! The 718 is just not a collector car despite what Dr. Goose says.
I love this car, and $116k is an insane price for this car. I can admit that. But when you drive this car, everything, and I mean everything that isn’t Porsche, seems irrelevant. From the drive to the materials in this car...it’s all 10x better feeing that everything else out there. And that’s why it’s so expensive.
///Mmmmm sure it is mate, go to any SCCA event and there's hundreds of them. Not as fast nor quick, but on a set of Hoosiers, it'll handle every bit as well as the 718. And not break too!
Regarding your comments about the interior: I’m driving a 992 and I do miss the old, “cluttered” interior a lot. I just hate how they bury functions within the touch system that took a fraction of a second to find once you got used to it. Reducing physical buttons is step in the wrong direction imo.
I agree. Although I am not fortunate to own a Porsche, when I compare my new Audi to the 2017 q7, I miss the knobs and direct push controls that get you to exactly where you want to be. The new screen makes me take unnecessary jump through extra hoops steps.
I think that, other than price, is one of the reasons I went to a used 991.2 instead of a 992. The 991.2 has the nice balance on the interior between the more traditional layout with good useful tech. Also, the 992 wasn't available in a manual when I found my 991.2. I agree with you on the interior though. The Boxster/Cayman models have retained the more traditional layout with discrete buttons for discrete functions, something the 991.2 tends to keep as well.
@@darthnatas953 Even the radio can be a burden to operate.. i think the best combination is a screen that you can control by buttons/pads near the gear lever. (Like bmw, mercedes) have
Not quite: the (pop-out) cupholders on these things are terrible. You WILL get spillage on your console, and no one wants to hear about your 1% Problems ...
Not near as fun as a Jeep Wrangler you can buy for $35k and after 100k miles and 7 years you can sell for $26k You loose as much driving this off the lot as daily driving a wrangler for 7 years!
@@chadhanson4369 nah your completely uninformed. The last flat 6 caymans in the 981 and gt4 have lost less than 10% of their value and are 5 years old.
You probably don't check your comments from 2021 posts, but this singlehandedly convinced me to take the leap with the '23 Boxster GTS. Evidently there is an allocation available and I'm ordering it to spec. I've enjoyed watching your many videos on Porsches and if you wonder if any have a significant impact, well, this one did. Thank you!
I'm thinking of pulling the trigger and ordering to spec next year. I just can't see anything else on the market that fits my needs as well as this. How's your experience been?
@@carguy7627Well, the car was amazing but lots of things changed since I drove a stick last in SoCal (late 80'/90's) and my retirement has been delayed. Dealer bought it back at sticker and now listing it higher. (I tried to sell but buyers want brand new car for 1 yr old 10k prices). I will one day get an S or something less $$ as can't enjoy it the way it should at least in my neck of the woods. Good luck with your decision making.
@@carguy7627 I fear, you might be in for a disappointment. Production, at least for the GTS 4.0's will seize after March 2024, at least for the European market. It might even be for the whole 982 generation and all markets, not quite sure. (Originally the pure electric follow up was due to be released in 2024 which has been delayed due to the developments in the last few years. However, new regulatory requirements and possibly production planing challenges could mean that there will simply be a gap.) You better head to your next Porsche dealer and get clarification.
I feel this review's "Final Thoughts" convinced me to get Boxster GTS 4.0. It's a wonderful car to drive. I am very pleased and plan to own it forever.
I have followed Mr. Goose since the early days of the orange Scion 86. Took delivery of a 2022 gt silver manual GTS 4.0 two months ago....everything that Mr. Goose has to say about the GTS 4.0 is 100% accurate. A driver's car without a shadow of a doubt.
How many times can he blast down that road before the pitchforks come out? I know it's Illinois and the roads suck, but they should drive a couple hours and film in the driftless area.
@@troyjollimore4100 He just cut the corner onto the gravel. No loss of control involved before that. Also, at one point he even said the tires would cause less grip, but AFAIU they should have even more grip once they are basically slicks. Maybe not for long, but it's still the same rubber mix there and profile is mainly only needed for wet and wet-dirty conditions. Plus, the tires still had a little profile left.
@@taylorc2542 I think that’s one of the fastest times he’s driven it. It’s probably spaced out enough the residents don’t really care too much. So long as there’s no donuts or burnouts!
Be careful what you wish for. For years people have asked for Boxster/Cayman trims that approach (or exceed) 911 capability. Now that they are here, is it a surprise the prices also approach 911 levels? If you don't want to spend ~100k, buy a base Cayman, it is a wonderful car. Still too high? The return of the flat 6 engines is bound to depress prices of 2014-2016 981 series cars, and a 3.4 liter Cayman S is a 99% ideal sports car.
The upcoming 400z will certainly be a good sports car, but with a front engine and turbo v6 it is unclear if it will have the handling balance and quick throttle response of the Porsches. The Cayman has a precision and telepathic control that is almost unique among modern cars, let's hope the 400z gets similar abilities.
"And maybe if you're crazy, a 1st car in a good climate". Guess I'm even crazier than crazy since my 981 is my only car and I live in northern Indiana.
@@MrMortadella1 Beware of the Russian Boots. (Now we know where all that talk came from. US politicians finally watched the movie. ... No, the other one.)
The mark of any good UA-cam review is his/her ability to keep you glued to the screen and prevent you from going to the bathroom when you desperately need to go. I'm about 10 seconds from a colostomy bag.
I’ve been captivated by the 4.0 on the spyder for a while but the impracticality of its roof was always off putting. I’m glad they finally brought the flat 6 over to GTS 😍
combustion engines will still be with us for decades , that’s the official projection of government and transportation experts. I wouldn’t fall for some propaganda statements coming from left-leaning anti ICE politicians (like in California).
Mark did a great job in capturing the soul of this car and the emotional connection. I own a '13 981S which is worth half the price but a very similar ownership experience. It's a modern day 355 Spider. Believe me, I had one.
This is my first time seeing your channel. And let me say, the production is excellent. The shots in the beginning, and the in depth sub-features are great.
You guys hit all the points I needed. You have done reviews on all the cars that I wanted(M2, New Supra, 4.0 cayman) still waiting on the TTRS review. Main reason I live in Alberta Canada
savahegeese are among the best car reviews program in USA IMHO....thanks for the review and i sincerely beleive that the 718 GTS and GT4 are ones of the best sport car ever
@@robertjusic9097 I don’t know that it’s a bad design, just dynamically compromised in comparison to mid engine. But they have certainly made it better than the 911 started, and compromised can definitely be fun!
Shape of Mark’s head matches the shape of the side windows with industry-leading precision. Thank you for sharing this amazing car with us. I personally like the 991-era interior in this car more than the 992. The center tach is larger and more analog.
Awesome video. Answers all the right questions for Boxter drivers - which I am. Am so looking forward to my next Boxster purchase. Love Porsche. Gives me everything I need; prestige, practicality, drivers' experience, fun, peace, and a personal reward.
After that Nissan Rogue, Jack and Mark definitely needed some "Deutsche Medizin" - it had to be Porsche! Just look at their faces - they're alive again! Miracle!
Hi other Jack, I got a 718gts4.0 cayman in chalk. Thanks for making detailed videos on this car. it was helpful when narrowing down what to buy. Coming from a '17 M2, the gts 4.0 is one hell of an upgrade.
Its about goddamn time the 718 GTS 4.0 gets some love from some US Influencers. The ones in Europe have been repping this car for close to a year. I was stoked when I heard wispers of it and opted for the Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 over the 2021 BMW M4. Much love though, better late then never.
Love it. It’s so much smaller than the behemoth 911’s now. Inspired me to spin my 986S in February. Evora GT? I’ll be right here, waiting for that vid. 🤙
As someone who has owned 4 Porsches in the last 7 or 8 years, one thing I cannot stand is the community that surrounds them. This car is perfect in every sense. However, the Porsche community would have you believe that the 911 is superior. Dollar for dollar, the 718 GTS shits all over the 911. I decided to stop spending my money on cars this year otherwise, I'd still own this car. 2020 MY
The 718 gts essentially a 911 perfected with mid engine lay out better drivetrain with a sweeter manual and bored out NA flat six that should actually be worth more than the 911s. Who am I to complain if they’re going to sell it for less.
I have had both a 981.1 Cayman S and a 991.2, and the 911 is every bit as special as a Cayman, imo. The 3.0 Turbo motors are outstanding. A base 911 is not that different in price to a Cayman GTS, especially in the used market for a low mileage car. They are both excellent cars, run on the same assembly line, and they are much more similar than they are different. I couldn't care less what other people think.
Never thought much about 718 Boxster as a long time 911 owner. Until they gave me a loaner PDK GTS 4.0, can’t quite describe exactly why it is such a brilliant car. On paper it is slower than M2, not much interior space doesn’t sound as loud as any other 4.0 Porsche, but it just works. So now I have one sitting next to my 992 911 GTS.
Besides the weird sound, the problem with the old GTS was the combination of turbo lag and long gearing. Kudos to Porsche for listening to the press and customers. Great video!!
Claims of turbo lag are way overplayed especially in sport plus / if you’re worried about turbo lag you may sooner concern yourself with less torque on 4L
Love to see a review of the original 981 boxster/cayman, that might be a real deal. I'm really curious to see the potential weight difference in the new platform.
Instead of designing a new gearbox, Porsche could have just used a different final drive ratio instead - a lot of aftermarket companies already offer this. The real reason they gave it such long gearing is fuel economy 😢
the gearing is just stupid. reminds me of that recent straight pipes video where he just stayed in second gear for minutes while drastically changing speeds. wtf is this bullshit? game breaker for me
I think the 718 4.0L gearing is like that because Porsche didn't want the 718 to be faster than a 911 C2S.... You know the 911 crowd, they can't take the baby Porsches being faster than their Carrera Ss.
Can't give enough kudos to Porsche for listening to their buyers and community and bringing back the 6-cylinder motor, I was surprised to see Mark having issues with the GT4 from last gen but happy to hear he really liked this one.
since 2014 i have a 911turbo for the Sundays and planed to buy a VW Golf R for everyday, but then i stepped in to a 987 boxster S and bought it plus a very old van for big transports. U can guess, which was my favorite everyday car: the 987! now, 10yrs and 90000 km later i will keep the 911, keep the van and replace the boxster..and it will be a boxster again! i lurked for an affordable 718 S, but now i think, i dig for some gold in my garden untill i can find a GTS 4.0...this video was the answer to my question
Maaaaan this was an awesome review - made me emotional ! And agreed with the neutral mid engine driving experience, no car comes close to it I drove so far, so I kept it :)
@@splak_5624 The base model at $59,900 has none of the driver's options I think most people would want though like PASM, Sport Chrono, Sport Seats and other things. So engine aside there are still significant differences between a base 718 and this tarted up GTS 4.0, I think the Cayman T which is just under $70k would be a better comparison.
Superb review ... And now I can't wait to bring my 10 year old 987.2 Cayman out for a drive mid-week, ahhh the joys of a NA Boxer-6 even if it only displaces 2.9 litres! Love this video... The 4 litre and balance of this Boxster is spectacular, your smile says it all 🙏🏻🤣😉
One of the very best reviews you guys have done in months. I've owned 3 Boxsters, every word you said here is true. We use to daily drive our 2006 987 Boxster with the top down every day that it wasn't raining, for the 4 years we owned it. These are exceptional sports cars.
@@drbobs8267 "I traded in my 38,000 MSRP car for a car that is at minimum almost twice that and is better" Wow who would've thought that a Porsche that's double the cost of an S2K at minimum would be worse.
Base 981 is real fun, but the sad thing are the very long gears. This takes a lot fun out of it. I drove 981 boxster(pdk) and 2.0 supra(fully specd) back to back and the supra is a bit more fun just for the more shifting to do on narrow mountain roads. On the Boxster there are corners, where the gears just dont fit and you are falling to low in RPM.
And there was markup on the S2K initially. I bought one of the first ones and searched high and low and couldn’t find one for under $5,000 over MSRP. If you kept it long enough I suppose it was worth it, but unfortunately other than its peaky 9,000RPM redline and rigid x-bone frame, I think it was a fairly unremarkable car. Electric steering was numb, handling was surprisingly twitchy, and 150lb ft of torque at its peak was annoying. I traded for an Elise when they came out a few years later (and a Boxster Spyder after that) both of which I enjoyed far more and having spent time in a ND2 Miata recently I would choose that car over paying up for a used S2K even realizing that the Honda will maintain its value far better from this point on.
@@jameswillard1 Yes, other than the 9000 revs engine with 125hp/l specific output voted as Best International Engine of the Year for four consecutive years, the x-bone chassis, and one of the best manual gearboxes on the planet it was "unremarkable".
Having driven this car for that past 6 months, I think that the long gearing claim is not a real issue for the average driver. The sound and power delivery is so amazing starting 4k rpm that you don't need to rev the car beyond 6k rpm. Driving this car is extremely satisfying.
I purchased a 2021 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 the day after Thanksgiving. 1 owner 7,500 miles. I am blown away at how this drives. This is a 2nd car just for the twisties in North Georgia Mountains. I giggle every time I drive it. Mine is a 6 speed manual. A necessity IMO.
116 thousand, makes me love my 981 GT4 even more 😁 . Those particle filters sound awful, and btw the engine is not far superior than the 3.8, the GT4 clubsport still uses the 3.8 from 981 generation because it demonstrated reliability over lot of track miles.
You are not doing it to yourself, but instead doing it for yourself. This is the best every day true sports car in the world, let alone within the Porsche line up. The opentop adds to the whole experience and in the real world you will not see any performance difference from the Cayman. Driving in a cool summer night with the top down and going through the gears, listening to that NA music right behind your ears is a religious experience that heals the soul everytime, whether your driving in the open roads or just through town. I will never sell my 981 GTS as I've already promised it to my adult son after he has the space and means to own and maintain it, and I will most likely get another 718 GTS 4.0 in a couple years for a CPO at a more reasonable price. These almost never come on the used marketplace after 2nd owner gets it at the 2 or 3 year lease return or trade ins from the people that buy porsche sports cars for the image. There are a lot more used GT4s and GT3's than 981 GTS and the same will hold for the 718 4.0s. They are forever cars, the last ICE car to own before the EVs take over the world. The 991 and 992 are GT cars now and don't give you the same sensation as these. They are too big and too refined that you have to go at extralegal speeds to get the same sensation as the older 911's and the Boxster/Caymans with the NA flat 6. Savagegeese is right, I used this as my primary and put on 25K miles in a year and a half without any issues as far as comfort or livablility, but now I am using it as my weekend car instead as it's too special to waste on a daily commute through traffic and on congested hwys. Got a Mini SE BEV for a commuter thats cheap with the tax deducation, free charging at work, no maintenance cost and super low insurance that makes it the same as the loss of depreciation and routine maintenance cost to operate a Porsche as daily. I don't care how fast an BEV is whether it be a Taycan turbo S or a Tesla S plaid, it will never give you the sensation you get in this car.
Curious why you prefer this 4.0 vs the old 3.8 in the GT4/991.1 . For sure the old 3.8 sounds better and the performance difference is minimal to me. Let's not forget about the depreciation factor too (GT4's are finally depreciating). Disclaimer: I recently bought a 981 GT4 vs a Carrera T (your livestream advice was a significant factor). Also i have never driven the new 4.0's yet.
Hi guys, thank you for a great review. How does the Porsche GT4 flat 6 compare to the Lexus LC 500 V8 in terms of driving dynamics and comfort? I already know that Lexus loses regarding the infotainment setup. Anxious to get your feedback. Thanks once again and best regards...
Great video - as allways. For once you have gotten an important fact wrong; this engine is NOT a detuned GT3 engine, but a version of the 991 NA...... 🙂
You’ve described why I enjoy german vehicles: the latency between your will and reality is very small. The car (Audi/porsche) feels like an extension of yourself. Thanks again.
Mark and Jack-Great review. I understand the appeal of a manual transmission. Because this manual has such tall gearing, would you recommend getting the PDK? Using the paddles is almost as much fun as shifting a manual.
80 MPH in second gear? SOLD!!! This was a SUPERB review. I loved the "visit to the shop." Very informative from a technical standpoint. Very nicely done gentlemen!
I love this car and interior. So glad it did not go all 992. Sick of all the screens and electronic. Give me buttons! The gearing does suck for the reasons stated. SharkWerks can fix that for you for $10k! ;-)
Still patiently waiting for a GT3 review.. I could watch a 45min-1hour technical brain damage x2 session with you guys and the GT3 and I'm sure a lot of others would as well
Porsche is quite smart. They take the six cylinder away on the 982 gen and then look like hero's "bringing it back" for the more expensive price points in the GTS and GT4. Personally I would go 981 S with the 3.4L flat six and a manual gearbox with gearing that matches the engine. Crazy that a car company so about engineering and details keep pushing out the wrong gear ratios on the manual box for the GT4 98, 982 GTS, and GT4. Very un-German and quite disappointing. The sound keeps getting worse as well. I can't believe that a Porsche complains about money when every car they sell requires $20k in options. I don't want to hear Porsche talk about not making enough money to justify putting the right gears in. Charge the owner another $10k then if it's so detrimental to your bottom line Porsche but do the car right. Stop taking shortcuts.
They took it away for the Chinese market, who are one of the big markets for the 718. They have various regulations which makes it easier to sell smaller engines.
I don't like that strange white-noisy engine sound, if you know what I mean. Oddly Mark seems to consider it great, but to me that sounds like fake generated. As Porsche sounds go, I prefer the 'opera singer' Carrera GT. (To be fair, that's a very different engine layout.)
Porsche not using double wishbone front suspension before 992 generation tells a story in itself. All the marketing about "best sports cars" rings hollow when you realize how much they manage and deliberate withhold performance from their lower models.
tbh I think Porsche should scrap 718 line completely. Here in Canada, a slightly spec'd gts would go around $110k, there are quite a few other sports cars at that price but with much better performance. Honestly people who could afford $100k++ cars would add a bit more for the more luxury 911 models than 718. At that price level, you would get a fairly recent 2nd hand 991 gt3.
I've said it ever since I first drove a 718 Boxster S on the launch event on the Porsche Leipzig circuit: The 718 is the point where the Boxster and Cayman finally overtake the 911, especially now that it has the 9A2 flat six. The 718 is now the better 911 - it's the hardcore "everyday" Porsche.
Nice review. I agree with everything you said except the complaints about the gearing, which is perfect the way it is for the roads I drive every day. Very drivable around town without the need to rev it to 8k every start (I have the GT4) but also a joy to run through the gears to a high speed when appropriate. The longer gears also minimize the frequency of shifting to get to a high speed, which makes for a smoother, quicker run to a high speed. The gearing is also great for the track and through twistie canyon roads. My advice, if you're not going to drive this car fast in a way that makes the gearing a joy to behold, buy something else. I look forward to your GT4 and GT3 reviews. Thanks for your great work!
'medicine for the soul'
*Sees price*
I'll take two bottles please.
I read bottles as beetles.
Hahaha
I’ve never seen this guy smile. This Porsche did it.
Jesus, I should just buy one.
There is no substitute
@M S idk why people care about how their car sounds so much. If you just play death metal it doesn't matter!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
he did when he drove the miata! :)
nick murrays gt3 engine cayman
13:31 Jack smugly smiling because he knew one day Mark not only would succumb to the glory that is Porsche, but would do so with wild excitement. Much like Squidward trying his first Krabby Patty.
The squidward analogy was perfect.
hahahah that subtle smile
The turbo s definitely converted mark to the church of Porsche if you watched that video
Porsche is the only manufacturer out there that has the audacity to charge people for both adding and subtracting options to their products.
Not for debadging though.
But on the other hand, at least in Germany, the car comes with red brake calipers with any paint color and if you want them black you have to pay 820€ extra! 🤦🖕
@Andres Perez I would say just go buy something better then... but you can't.
It's crazy a boxter is now a 6 figure car, no longer the affordable Porsche
@@brly4542 correction** the boxster you would actually want to buy is a 6 figure car :P
Stonks
it puts a smile on my face seeing a smile on his face drive this car
Your smile puts a smile on my face
@@uazhar2013 your smile, his smile, and the host's smile make me smile when i imagine driving this gts smiling
They both smiled. One while driving, the other while watching the other drive. This is the car. This is Porsche.
Porsche: We've made an affordable 718
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Man. I hear you. I tested a Q3 Sportback recently that had enough options in it to be able to buy an older gen S1 hatchback. LOL
Alex_Soto and they won't be flying out the door. Better off with a fully spec'd Miata , more fun, less worry and same result. You'll get your money back too! The 718 is just not a collector car despite what Dr. Goose says.
I love this car, and $116k is an insane price for this car. I can admit that. But when you drive this car, everything, and I mean everything that isn’t Porsche, seems irrelevant. From the drive to the materials in this car...it’s all 10x better feeing that everything else out there. And that’s why it’s so expensive.
@@alexnutcasio936 a Miata is not as fun as this lol. Just stop guy
///Mmmmm sure it is mate, go to any SCCA event and there's hundreds of them. Not as fast nor quick, but on a set of Hoosiers, it'll handle every bit as well as the 718. And not break too!
Regarding your comments about the interior: I’m driving a 992 and I do miss the old, “cluttered” interior a lot. I just hate how they bury functions within the touch system that took a fraction of a second to find once you got used to it. Reducing physical buttons is step in the wrong direction imo.
Finally someone with REAL experience to say this. Thank you.
I agree. Although I am not fortunate to own a Porsche, when I compare my new Audi to the 2017 q7, I miss the knobs and direct push controls that get you to exactly where you want to be. The new screen makes me take unnecessary jump through extra hoops steps.
I think that, other than price, is one of the reasons I went to a used 991.2 instead of a 992. The 991.2 has the nice balance on the interior between the more traditional layout with good useful tech. Also, the 992 wasn't available in a manual when I found my 991.2. I agree with you on the interior though. The Boxster/Cayman models have retained the more traditional layout with discrete buttons for discrete functions, something the 991.2 tends to keep as well.
Agree, I prefer physical gauges to the screen on the 992, and I despise touchscreens to control anything but the radio.
@@darthnatas953 Even the radio can be a burden to operate.. i think the best combination is a screen that you can control by buttons/pads near the gear lever. (Like bmw, mercedes) have
Perfectly engineered to endure the Starbucks drive-thru.
Yummmm yum yummmmm
Not quite: the (pop-out) cupholders on these things are terrible. You WILL get spillage on your console, and no one wants to hear about your 1% Problems ...
Not near as fun as a Jeep Wrangler you can buy for $35k and after 100k miles and 7 years you can sell for $26k
You loose as much driving this off the lot as daily driving a wrangler for 7 years!
@@chadhanson4369 Completely different ballpark
@@chadhanson4369 nah your completely uninformed. The last flat 6 caymans in the 981 and gt4 have lost less than 10% of their value and are 5 years old.
Picked up a 718 GT4 last night. Haven't even broken it in but the whole package is insane. Best manual transmission I've ever driven.
too long of a gear shift throw on the one I drove recently it begs for a short shifter kit then perfect
@@GuitarsAndSynthsthey exist!
@@GuitarsAndSynths I put the SSK on my 987S and my Spyder came with it, really changed the feel from a cable to a ‘rifle bolt’.
@clu4u honestly it's good enough for me. I blew the budget on the wheels and exhaust anyway
My order locks in next week.. I'm excited
It is so refreshing to see someone review a car that actually enjoys the nuances of driving. That's one of my favorite things about this channel.
You probably don't check your comments from 2021 posts, but this singlehandedly convinced me to take the leap with the '23 Boxster GTS. Evidently there is an allocation available and I'm ordering it to spec. I've enjoyed watching your many videos on Porsches and if you wonder if any have a significant impact, well, this one did. Thank you!
I'm thinking of pulling the trigger and ordering to spec next year. I just can't see anything else on the market that fits my needs as well as this. How's your experience been?
@@carguy7627Well, the car was amazing but lots of things changed since I drove a stick last in SoCal (late 80'/90's) and my retirement has been delayed. Dealer bought it back at sticker and now listing it higher. (I tried to sell but buyers want brand new car for 1 yr old 10k prices). I will one day get an S or something less $$ as can't enjoy it the way it should at least in my neck of the woods. Good luck with your decision making.
@@carguy7627 I fear, you might be in for a disappointment. Production, at least for the GTS 4.0's will seize after March 2024, at least for the European market. It might even be for the whole 982 generation and all markets, not quite sure. (Originally the pure electric follow up was due to be released in 2024 which has been delayed due to the developments in the last few years. However, new regulatory requirements and possibly production planing challenges could mean that there will simply be a gap.) You better head to your next Porsche dealer and get clarification.
I feel this review's "Final Thoughts" convinced me to get Boxster GTS 4.0. It's a wonderful car to drive. I am very pleased and plan to own it forever.
i quit making breakfast for my family when i got the notification for this vid. priorities matter.
Any relation to Jessa Rhodes?
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT no, I don't believe so.
I have followed Mr. Goose since the early days of the orange Scion 86. Took delivery of a 2022 gt silver manual GTS 4.0 two months ago....everything that Mr. Goose has to say about the GTS 4.0 is 100% accurate. A driver's car without a shadow of a doubt.
Now THIS is more like it. Farm road cliché corner had been kind of quiet recently with all the SUV testing.
Did you notice the cut? 😉
@@Dowlphin I blame the rear tires... LOL!
How many times can he blast down that road before the pitchforks come out? I know it's Illinois and the roads suck, but they should drive a couple hours and film in the driftless area.
@@troyjollimore4100 He just cut the corner onto the gravel. No loss of control involved before that.
Also, at one point he even said the tires would cause less grip, but AFAIU they should have even more grip once they are basically slicks. Maybe not for long, but it's still the same rubber mix there and profile is mainly only needed for wet and wet-dirty conditions.
Plus, the tires still had a little profile left.
@@taylorc2542 I think that’s one of the fastest times he’s driven it. It’s probably spaced out enough the residents don’t really care too much. So long as there’s no donuts or burnouts!
Savagegeese: *Medicine for the Soul*
Me: *Contemplates whether it will cure my soul after I sell both of my kidneys to buy it*
🤣🤣🤣
You will need to sell more than kidneys, probably half of your liver, one testicle and eyeball as well.
Be careful what you wish for. For years people have asked for Boxster/Cayman trims that approach (or exceed) 911 capability. Now that they are here, is it a surprise the prices also approach 911 levels? If you don't want to spend ~100k, buy a base Cayman, it is a wonderful car. Still too high? The return of the flat 6 engines is bound to depress prices of 2014-2016 981 series cars, and a 3.4 liter Cayman S is a 99% ideal sports car.
@@bartonpayne1017 I'd stick to the new 400z that's coming out because it will be half the price but still have a 6 cylinder engine.
The upcoming 400z will certainly be a good sports car, but with a front engine and turbo v6 it is unclear if it will have the handling balance and quick throttle response of the Porsches. The Cayman has a precision and telepathic control that is almost unique among modern cars, let's hope the 400z gets similar abilities.
"And maybe if you're crazy, a 1st car in a good climate". Guess I'm even crazier than crazy since my 981 is my only car and I live in northern Indiana.
SG was so giddy about driving this German car that he immediately went home and watched the extended version of Das Boot....without subtitles.
BTW, is there still no remake of that movie? They could title it "Das Re-Boot".
There is a remake coming but it’s called Das Booty-Electric Boogaloo with Cedric the Entertainer
@@MrMortadella1 Beware of the Russian Boots. (Now we know where all that talk came from. US politicians finally watched the movie. ... No, the other one.)
Eine Scheiße
one of the best anti-war films ever...
Darn you guys! I now have a GTS 4.0 in the garage after a year long wait. Grazie!
The mark of any good UA-cam review is his/her ability to keep you glued to the screen and prevent you from going to the bathroom when you desperately need to go. I'm about 10 seconds from a colostomy bag.
Embrace the pinkeye my brother. We all have it.
I’ve been captivated by the 4.0 on the spyder for a while but the impracticality of its roof was always off putting. I’m glad they finally brought the flat 6 over to GTS 😍
It's scary to think we might be watching some of the last best N/A manual cars when we watch these videos.
I've been hearing that from auto journalists for at least 15 years, but you may be right this time. I hope the trend continues.
@@Ryan....... the difference is now there’s laws being purposed or in place to stop the sale of ICE cars by a certain time. Things are a changing
combustion engines will still be with us for decades , that’s the official projection of government and transportation experts. I wouldn’t fall for some propaganda statements coming from left-leaning anti ICE politicians (like in California).
Porsche and a few other companies are working on synthetic fuels to keep these cars alive, let’s hope it all works out for them.
@@olasek7972 this isn’t a political issue.
Greetings from Scotland. Love these in-depth reviews giving information no-one else provides.
this is how a review should be. Not stuff that one can google in 2min from the Porsche homepage. thumbs up!
The Count had one of these, but he lost his license because he couldn’t stop his shift counting at 2.
😂😂
I was beginning to lose hope with nothing but SUVs recently. The wait was worth it though.
Mark did a great job in capturing the soul of this car and the emotional connection. I own a '13 981S which is worth half the price but a very similar ownership experience. It's a modern day 355 Spider. Believe me, I had one.
This is my first time seeing your channel. And let me say, the production is excellent. The shots in the beginning, and the in depth sub-features are great.
You guys hit all the points I needed. You have done reviews on all the cars that I wanted(M2, New Supra, 4.0 cayman) still waiting on the TTRS review. Main reason I live in Alberta Canada
And then a lotus emira
savahegeese are among the best car reviews program in USA IMHO....thanks for the review and i sincerely beleive that the 718 GTS and GT4 are ones of the best sport car ever
Porsche makes everything optional - at least they deliver it to you in primer.
Hahaha I’ve been noticing more and more “primer” vehicles on the road. Where’s your sense of adventure, people, especially with a sports car?!
@@briane8156 you mean gray? I actually really like gray and silver cars. Especially nardo grey that audi has. It really shows the cars lines
@@robertjusic9097 I don’t know that it’s a bad design, just dynamically compromised in comparison to mid engine. But they have certainly made it better than the 911 started, and compromised can definitely be fun!
@@robertjusic9097 thing is, now EVERYONE has to have a nardo grey color and it becomes pretty boring
I know what you mean. I went to a Porsche dealership and every color but white and black cost an additional 3,000-4,000 USD. What the F!???
Boxster GTS 4.0 is the best Porsche of all time
Shape of Mark’s head matches the shape of the side windows with industry-leading precision. Thank you for sharing this amazing car with us. I personally like the 991-era interior in this car more than the 992. The center tach is larger and more analog.
Awesome video. Answers all the right questions for Boxter drivers - which I am. Am so looking forward to my next Boxster purchase. Love Porsche. Gives me everything I need; prestige, practicality, drivers' experience, fun, peace, and a personal reward.
After that Nissan Rogue, Jack and Mark definitely needed some "Deutsche Medizin" - it had to be Porsche! Just look at their faces - they're alive again! Miracle!
Probably before, not after. Notice the greenery. Northern Illinois looks like frickin' Siberia now!
Hi other Jack, I got a 718gts4.0 cayman in chalk. Thanks for making detailed videos on this car. it was helpful when narrowing down what to buy. Coming from a '17 M2, the gts 4.0 is one hell of an upgrade.
Also somehow I paid msrp in mid 2021, time to buy a lottery ticket.
Its about goddamn time the 718 GTS 4.0 gets some love from some US Influencers. The ones in Europe have been repping this car for close to a year. I was stoked when I heard wispers of it and opted for the Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 over the 2021 BMW M4. Much love though, better late then never.
“Get rid of the cluttered physical controls”... what??????
Jack is a bit moronic sometimes.
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT hey i liked the physical controls. Mark was the one who disliked it. I am a moron though.
Love it. It’s so much smaller than the behemoth 911’s now. Inspired me to spin my 986S in February. Evora GT? I’ll be right here, waiting for that vid. 🤙
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The 911 is a bad design that Porsche has masterfully forced to work through genius engineering. Mid-engine makes so much more sense, and it's cheaper.
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If you look carefully, the Carrera is slowing inching-or millimetering-it’s way to mid engine. Check out the rear of a 992 and you’ll see what I mean.
Meaning…?
Somebody at Porsche design is a big fan of the German Bauhaus movement. The lettering, the aesthetic...beautiful.
As someone who has owned 4 Porsches in the last 7 or 8 years, one thing I cannot stand is the community that surrounds them. This car is perfect in every sense. However, the Porsche community would have you believe that the 911 is superior. Dollar for dollar, the 718 GTS shits all over the 911. I decided to stop spending my money on cars this year otherwise, I'd still own this car. 2020 MY
The 718 gts essentially a 911 perfected with mid engine lay out better drivetrain with a sweeter manual and bored out NA flat six that should actually be worth more than the 911s. Who am I to complain if they’re going to sell it for less.
I have had both a 981.1 Cayman S and a 991.2, and the 911 is every bit as special as a Cayman, imo. The 3.0 Turbo motors are outstanding. A base 911 is not that different in price to a Cayman GTS, especially in the used market for a low mileage car. They are both excellent cars, run on the same assembly line, and they are much more similar than they are different. I couldn't care less what other people think.
GT4 RS is their best track car now followed by 911 GT3
@@GuitarsAndSynths The GT3 is still faster, with arguably a better front suspension. The rear engine helps with traction as well.
I watched this again… now that I own one. Not disappointed.
I absolutely love this car, I have always been a fan of the Cayman line-up but it's INSANE how expensive these have become...
Exactly. I just purchased one and sheeeesh! 😆 If you're looking for the driving experience, leave out navigation and shit that you use your phone for.
most epic car shots I've seen in a long time, don't know why I haven't found your channel before! Great review :D
I liked this video, and now I am immune from COVID-19.
Might have been before. No way to tell without testing. 😏
This is the only Porsche I would own, if I could afford it, in a hardtop.
I’m an absolute car snob and and have no time for youtubers with little or no clue. You guys have got this absolutely nailed. Cheers from Oz.
It's true that it's overwhelming to find where everything is. So don't ever lose your manual.
I saw this post so I called in sick at work and ran this on a loop for 8 hours while door dashing lattes to my front door non-stop.
Never thought much about 718 Boxster as a long time 911 owner. Until they gave me a loaner PDK GTS 4.0, can’t quite describe exactly why it is such a brilliant car. On paper it is slower than M2, not much interior space doesn’t sound as loud as any other 4.0 Porsche, but it just works. So now I have one sitting next to my 992 911 GTS.
Came from a 911 to a Boxster GTS : absolutely no regret at all !!!! More boot, central engine, and money in the pocket !!! Insane !!
Woah woah woah. NO Patagonia?!
Patagonia dumped them.
@@PianoBlackTrimRep. haha. Imagine if that was really the case? It would be hilarious!
Besides the weird sound, the problem with the old GTS was the combination of turbo lag and long gearing. Kudos to Porsche for listening to the press and customers. Great video!!
Claims of turbo lag are way overplayed especially in sport plus / if you’re worried about turbo lag you may sooner concern yourself with less torque on 4L
Love to see a review of the original 981 boxster/cayman, that might be a real deal. I'm really curious to see the potential weight difference in the new platform.
I just appreciate that you guys don't use "chillstep" music or whatever it is in your intros like 99% of car youtubers.
Instead of designing a new gearbox, Porsche could have just used a different final drive ratio instead - a lot of aftermarket companies already offer this. The real reason they gave it such long gearing is fuel economy 😢
It's more efficient on the track as well, but sometimes it's not about efficiency.
exactly right!
the gearing is just stupid. reminds me of that recent straight pipes video where he just stayed in second gear for minutes while drastically changing speeds. wtf is this bullshit? game breaker for me
I think the 718 4.0L gearing is like that because Porsche didn't want the 718 to be faster than a 911 C2S.... You know the 911 crowd, they can't take the baby Porsches being faster than their Carrera Ss.
@@cococly exactly
Ever since Turbowski left cause he landed that job at Arbys this channel hasn't been the same.
Can't give enough kudos to Porsche for listening to their buyers and community and bringing back the 6-cylinder motor, I was surprised
to see Mark having issues with the GT4 from last gen but happy to hear he really liked this one.
since 2014 i have a 911turbo for the Sundays and planed to buy a VW Golf R for everyday, but then i stepped in to a 987 boxster S and bought it plus a very old van for big transports. U can guess, which was my favorite everyday car: the 987!
now, 10yrs and 90000 km later i will keep the 911, keep the van and replace the boxster..and it will be a boxster again! i lurked for an affordable 718 S, but now i think, i dig for some gold in my garden untill i can find a GTS 4.0...this video was the answer to my question
Porsche styling is so good I swear
So simple, so clean.
Lol! Not
Do you really think so? Some 911s are nice maybe, but this car looks like it came out of a 3D printer.
Maaaaan this was an awesome review - made me emotional ! And agreed with the neutral mid engine driving experience, no car comes close to it I drove so far, so I kept it :)
Me: Oh okay a Porsche I might finally be able to own
Jack: $116k
Me: NOPE
you can get the 4 banger for like 60k new LMAO
@@splak_5624 The base model at $59,900 has none of the driver's options I think most people would want though like PASM, Sport Chrono, Sport Seats and other things. So engine aside there are still significant differences between a base 718 and this tarted up GTS 4.0, I think the Cayman T which is just under $70k would be a better comparison.
I configured the Cayman GTS for 92,000. Poverty spec, but with premium package. Still way too much, but 24 grand less.
Just get a 981. Those are in the "affordable" range now.
That large 102mm bore though. Even the spec sheets are satisfying to look at.
This is my "almost reachable" dream car!! ;)
Superb review ... And now I can't wait to bring my 10 year old 987.2 Cayman out for a drive mid-week, ahhh the joys of a NA Boxer-6 even if it only displaces 2.9 litres! Love this video... The 4 litre and balance of this Boxster is spectacular, your smile says it all 🙏🏻🤣😉
One of the very best reviews you guys have done in months. I've owned 3 Boxsters, every word you said here is true. We use to daily drive our 2006 987 Boxster with the top down every day that it wasn't raining, for the 4 years we owned it. These are exceptional sports cars.
“The fun factor” and the need to go too fast is the exact reason why I lust after a BASE 981 boxster which is like a German Honda s2k
You are right. I traded in my S2K on this car because it’s better. I loved the S2K. It was the most fun car I ever had but the 718 is more fun!
@@drbobs8267 "I traded in my 38,000 MSRP car for a car that is at minimum almost twice that and is better" Wow who would've thought that a Porsche that's double the cost of an S2K at minimum would be worse.
@@svn5994 dude your logic makes no sense. There’s a bunch of cars that are triple the price and horrible to drive...
@@svn5994 :)
Base 981 is real fun, but the sad thing are the very long gears. This takes a lot fun out of it. I drove 981 boxster(pdk) and 2.0 supra(fully specd) back to back and the supra is a bit more fun just for the more shifting to do on narrow mountain roads. On the Boxster there are corners, where the gears just dont fit and you are falling to low in RPM.
I can't keep up with how many goddamn Porsche model variants there are now
"Much missed flat six" Whew, when that mixtape coming out?
I’ve only watched 10 seconds and it’s already more entertaining than the Rogue review.
Your reviews are so detailed. I love it
I love that speed academy hoodie.
The S2k was never really an affordable sports car. It launched at an MSRP of $34k at a time when a Miata was $20k and a Boxster was $41k
And even today, a good condition S2000 still goes for the price of a NEW ND2 Miata.
And there was markup on the S2K initially. I bought one of the first ones and searched high and low and couldn’t find one for under $5,000 over MSRP. If you kept it long enough I suppose it was worth it, but unfortunately other than its peaky 9,000RPM redline and rigid x-bone frame, I think it was a fairly unremarkable car. Electric steering was numb, handling was surprisingly twitchy, and 150lb ft of torque at its peak was annoying. I traded for an Elise when they came out a few years later (and a Boxster Spyder after that) both of which I enjoyed far more and having spent time in a ND2 Miata recently I would choose that car over paying up for a used S2K even realizing that the Honda will maintain its value far better from this point on.
@@jameswillard1 Yes, other than the 9000 revs engine with 125hp/l specific output voted as Best International Engine of the Year for four consecutive years, the x-bone chassis, and one of the best manual gearboxes on the planet it was "unremarkable".
100k is not affordable to most people for a new car.
Having driven this car for that past 6 months, I think that the long gearing claim is not a real issue for the average driver. The sound and power delivery is so amazing starting 4k rpm that you don't need to rev the car beyond 6k rpm. Driving this car is extremely satisfying.
Ughhh I want that magnificently engineered Porsche.
I purchased a 2021 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 the day after Thanksgiving. 1 owner 7,500 miles. I am blown away at how this drives. This is a 2nd car just for the twisties in North Georgia Mountains. I giggle every time I drive it. Mine is a 6 speed manual. A necessity IMO.
Emira?
Saw a 718 spyder today. Perfect car.
Got one coming in December 😊
116 thousand, makes me love my 981 GT4 even more 😁 . Those particle filters sound awful, and btw the engine is not far superior than the 3.8, the GT4 clubsport still uses the 3.8 from 981 generation because it demonstrated reliability over lot of track miles.
Driving a 981 Spyder myself I would also not change it for a 718. The 981 just sounds so much better then the 718 4.0.
Love the blacked out speedo on some parts of the test drive.
Seriously considering getting the 4.0L GTS and trading in my Carrera T. Why do I do this to myself?
You are not doing it to yourself, but instead doing it for yourself. This is the best every day true sports car in the world, let alone within the Porsche line up. The opentop adds to the whole experience and in the real world you will not see any performance difference from the Cayman. Driving in a cool summer night with the top down and going through the gears, listening to that NA music right behind your ears is a religious experience that heals the soul everytime, whether your driving in the open roads or just through town. I will never sell my 981 GTS as I've already promised it to my adult son after he has the space and means to own and maintain it, and I will most likely get another 718 GTS 4.0 in a couple years for a CPO at a more reasonable price. These almost never come on the used marketplace after 2nd owner gets it at the 2 or 3 year lease return or trade ins from the people that buy porsche sports cars for the image. There are a lot more used GT4s and GT3's than 981 GTS and the same will hold for the 718 4.0s. They are forever cars, the last ICE car to own before the EVs take over the world. The 991 and 992 are GT cars now and don't give you the same sensation as these. They are too big and too refined that you have to go at extralegal speeds to get the same sensation as the older 911's and the Boxster/Caymans with the NA flat 6. Savagegeese is right, I used this as my primary and put on 25K miles in a year and a half without any issues as far as comfort or livablility, but now I am using it as my weekend car instead as it's too special to waste on a daily commute through traffic and on congested hwys. Got a Mini SE BEV for a commuter thats cheap with the tax deducation, free charging at work, no maintenance cost and super low insurance that makes it the same as the loss of depreciation and routine maintenance cost to operate a Porsche as daily. I don't care how fast an BEV is whether it be a Taycan turbo S or a Tesla S plaid, it will never give you the sensation you get in this car.
john lee 100% Agree
I watched this video 20 times lusting over this spec😭😭😭
Curious why you prefer this 4.0 vs the old 3.8 in the GT4/991.1 . For sure the old 3.8 sounds better and the performance difference is minimal to me. Let's not forget about the depreciation factor too (GT4's are finally depreciating).
Disclaimer: I recently bought a 981 GT4 vs a Carrera T (your livestream advice was a significant factor). Also i have never driven the new 4.0's yet.
Thanks, for this video, I had a test I didn't do well on and this is exactly what I needed
Hi guys, thank you for a great review. How does the Porsche GT4 flat 6 compare to the Lexus LC 500 V8 in terms of driving dynamics and comfort? I already know that Lexus loses regarding the infotainment setup. Anxious to get your feedback. Thanks once again and best regards...
LC is completely different in everyway. Its more of a cruiser, softer but has an amazing sound. 718 is way more connected and responsive.
@@savagegeese Thank you guys for the feedback. Keep up the great work...
Great video - as allways. For once you have gotten an important fact wrong; this engine is NOT a detuned GT3 engine, but a version of the 991 NA...... 🙂
This is a better version of a s2000.
Taking that as a compliment because the S2000 is an incredible car as well
You’ve described why I enjoy german vehicles: the latency between your will and reality is very small. The car (Audi/porsche) feels like an extension of yourself. Thanks again.
I am looking forward to this one, thanks as usual lads
Mark and Jack-Great review. I understand the appeal of a manual transmission. Because this manual has such tall gearing, would you recommend getting the PDK? Using the paddles is almost as much fun as shifting a manual.
80 MPH in second gear? SOLD!!! This was a SUPERB review. I loved the "visit to the shop." Very informative from a technical standpoint. Very nicely done gentlemen!
A 2 gear car
I remember when the 930 came out and it would do 55 in 1st.
😂
I love this car and interior. So glad it did not go all 992. Sick of all the screens and electronic. Give me buttons! The gearing does suck for the reasons stated. SharkWerks can fix that for you for $10k! ;-)
Still patiently waiting for a GT3 review.. I could watch a 45min-1hour technical brain damage x2 session with you guys and the GT3 and I'm sure a lot of others would as well
man, quality of this video is superb! what gear /camera do You use?
Porsche Engineers making excuses for their accountants with the too tall gearing...?
They could make the 718 platform so much better than the 911...
Great review guys.
Is it?
Porsche is quite smart. They take the six cylinder away on the 982 gen and then look like hero's "bringing it back" for the more expensive price points in the GTS and GT4. Personally I would go 981 S with the 3.4L flat six and a manual gearbox with gearing that matches the engine. Crazy that a car company so about engineering and details keep pushing out the wrong gear ratios on the manual box for the GT4 98, 982 GTS, and GT4. Very un-German and quite disappointing. The sound keeps getting worse as well. I can't believe that a Porsche complains about money when every car they sell requires $20k in options. I don't want to hear Porsche talk about not making enough money to justify putting the right gears in. Charge the owner another $10k then if it's so detrimental to your bottom line Porsche but do the car right. Stop taking shortcuts.
They took it away for the Chinese market, who are one of the big markets for the 718. They have various regulations which makes it easier to sell smaller engines.
I don't like that strange white-noisy engine sound, if you know what I mean. Oddly Mark seems to consider it great, but to me that sounds like fake generated.
As Porsche sounds go, I prefer the 'opera singer' Carrera GT. (To be fair, that's a very different engine layout.)
@@Dowlphin Mark is drinking the Koolaid hard!
Porsche not using double wishbone front suspension before 992 generation tells a story in itself. All the marketing about "best sports cars" rings hollow when you realize how much they manage and deliberate withhold performance from their lower models.
tbh I think Porsche should scrap 718 line completely. Here in Canada, a slightly spec'd gts would go around $110k, there are quite a few other sports cars at that price but with much better performance. Honestly people who could afford $100k++ cars would add a bit more for the more luxury 911 models than 718. At that price level, you would get a fairly recent 2nd hand 991 gt3.
I've said it ever since I first drove a 718 Boxster S on the launch event on the Porsche Leipzig circuit:
The 718 is the point where the Boxster and Cayman finally overtake the 911, especially now that it has the 9A2 flat six. The 718 is now the better 911 - it's the hardcore "everyday" Porsche.
I just bought a 16 981 Cayman GTS...had it a month put 1500 miles on it...absolutely love the car and it's with PDK...freaking awesome !
Nice review. I agree with everything you said except the complaints about the gearing, which is perfect the way it is for the roads I drive every day. Very drivable around town without the need to rev it to 8k every start (I have the GT4) but also a joy to run through the gears to a high speed when appropriate. The longer gears also minimize the frequency of shifting to get to a high speed, which makes for a smoother, quicker run to a high speed. The gearing is also great for the track and through twistie canyon roads. My advice, if you're not going to drive this car fast in a way that makes the gearing a joy to behold, buy something else. I look forward to your GT4 and GT3 reviews. Thanks for your great work!