DEATH METAL THEN VS. NOW feat. TheSuffocater! Old School vs. Modern Death Metal (2022) Riff Battle

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  • Опубліковано 5 чер 2022
  • In this very special installment of the Then Vs. Now series, I am joined by the riff battle legend himself TheSuffocater! I could think of noone better to represent the Old School Death Metal side of this battle.
    When it first emerged, the extreme nature and violent or even overtly Satanic imagery of death metal was truly shocking: nothing like it had been heard before. While some of the shock value may have dulled over time, bands have continued to push the limits to try and create the heaviest music possible, with no concern for mainstream acceptance. Have they succeeded? Or was old school death metal the best? As always, you be the judge and let us know in the comments!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 397

  • @TheSuffocater
    @TheSuffocater Рік тому +960

    Hey Thomas , thanks for having me as the Old School guy :) You are a hell of a guitarist !

    • @kirisutegomen12
      @kirisutegomen12 Рік тому +31

      The man, the legend 🤘🏼

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  Рік тому +93

      It was an honor! One of my inspirations for the riff battle format, very exciting to have you on a video 🤘

    • @northstarz1125
      @northstarz1125 Рік тому +6

      Ur both amazing my brothers in metal!!!

    • @souliss
      @souliss Рік тому +6

      This was a shower thought of mine about two weeks ago so thank you! Also... stay out of my shower please... disgusting...

    • @Ronnie_GT1000
      @Ronnie_GT1000 Рік тому +1

      You're certainly one of my favorite metal youtube guitarists out there man! Keep it up, and I like your collection of guitars too!

  • @osamabinlaggin69
    @osamabinlaggin69 Рік тому +112

    Love how it doesn’t matter whether the metal is old or new, the warlock is timeless.

    • @phantomechelon3628
      @phantomechelon3628 Рік тому +10

      Still the most metal guitar ever made IMO.

    • @m-paws3788
      @m-paws3788 5 місяців тому +1

      just had mine customized tooooo . me is most proud 😸

  • @GabAssbreaker
    @GabAssbreaker Рік тому +240

    Old School Death Metal is the best music ever made, modern Death Metal is amazing in its own right but the old, vintage Death Metal sound is the thing i love the most. Props to both players, you guys rocks!

    • @malteadotas4
      @malteadotas4 Рік тому +11

      I agree. The technicality of modern Death Metal is incredible, but it's also less memorable IMO. I enjoy both but those old school riffs get me going every time.

    • @MegaDuanra
      @MegaDuanra Рік тому

      Indeed

    • @GabAssbreaker
      @GabAssbreaker Рік тому +5

      @@malteadotas4 yeah its hard sometimes to recognize what band you are listening nowadays (soo many great bands in these days), yet i always can tell appart Suffocation from Incantation, and Incantation from Immolation despite how similar the bands names are, just for how iconic Is the music of any of those bands

    • @malteadotas4
      @malteadotas4 Рік тому +2

      @@GabAssbreaker exactly! and the sound.Each band is very unique, they are so recognizable. \m/

    • @kylepardueish
      @kylepardueish 3 місяці тому

      ​@@malteadotas4 there's basically no such thing as tech death anymore. All death metal is pretty technical now

  • @timothyjewell9642
    @timothyjewell9642 8 місяців тому +19

    Seeing "old school" being applied to albums that came out when I was a teenager (I'm 33 now), like Bolt Thrower "Those Once Loyal", is such a trip. Old school will never not mean bands like Death, Morbid Angel, Suffocation, etc. \m/

  • @VeritabIlIti
    @VeritabIlIti Рік тому +27

    Is no one gonna talk about how amazing that Archspire bit was? Such precision, and definitely at full tempo! 😂 keep up the good work, lads

  • @Knocker420
    @Knocker420 Рік тому +121

    That was a f**kin sick collab! Awesome tracks and awesome shreds from Thomas Hogue and TheSuffocater! Let's keep this going, guys. Please!!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  Рік тому +3

      Indeed! I have done some of these before but not in awhile. Any bands you are thinking of?

  • @redinthesky1
    @redinthesky1 Рік тому +80

    Great riff battle ! As impressive as Archspire is, (and I absolutely love their brand of Tech) there is no denying the infectious joy of 90s Deicide (Legion is king)

    • @cannibal666
      @cannibal666 Рік тому

      🤘👹 HELL YEAH DECIDE💥

    • @davesiddons8921
      @davesiddons8921 Рік тому +5

      Legion is death metal perfection, 29 minutes without a second wasted on fluff

    • @moonlightequilibrium
      @moonlightequilibrium Рік тому +3

      i usually lean towards modern death metal, but deicide has to be one of the best bands, period.

    • @phantomechelon3628
      @phantomechelon3628 Рік тому

      For me it was remembering how much I love Obituary, Bolt Thrower and Death. But I guess we all have our favourites.

    • @HaasiAustria
      @HaasiAustria 10 місяців тому +1

      Legion is one of the best metal albums ever!
      Deicide never came back to it's quality, but it's ok. Better they have one ever hammer album and a few good, than more good and no killer like Legion.

  • @i-never-look-at-replies-lol
    @i-never-look-at-replies-lol Рік тому +17

    Older ftw. Honestly without the vocals, the newer stuff sounds like it could fit in across several different modern metal genres. I expecting just a tonal difference, but there's more than that going on.

    • @d3th_2_all
      @d3th_2_all 5 місяців тому +3

      I feel like that’s because modern metal has a lot of integrating of other genres due to the broad spectrum of metal now

  • @marchanson169
    @marchanson169 Рік тому +20

    It's all great. I do think that there is a little bit of tradeoff where the "evil" vibe diminishes in proportion to technicality. It's not a good or bad thing -- just a thing.

  • @bloody-fire
    @bloody-fire Рік тому +72

    this is really unexpected but so amazing collab! you really should do more videos together, cause this one is the fire!

  • @jasonvanwinkle2388
    @jasonvanwinkle2388 Рік тому +65

    I knew Spiritual Healing before it played just by the finger placement 😁 can't beat old school Death Metal! I need to listen to more newer Death Metal, I'll take this as a recommendation!

    • @oifvet7487
      @oifvet7487 Рік тому +1

      I just can't really get into the newer stuff

    • @zannall2699
      @zannall2699 Рік тому

      newer bands i'd recommend (besides rivers of nihil and archspire) include but are not limited to: Revocation, Jinjer, Brand of sacrifice, and if you are in a particular spicey mode paledusk. Slugdge is one of my favorites but I wouldn't consider them newer death metal.

    • @HaasiAustria
      @HaasiAustria 10 місяців тому

      @@zannall2699 Do you know any instrumental death metal bands? My girlfriend would like it, but she hates growling.
      I know Blotted Science, but it's too much Jazz. I search classical old school death metal. Or trash metal.

    • @zannall2699
      @zannall2699 10 місяців тому +1

      @@HaasiAustria without harsh vocals you might be able too get her into heavy edm.

    • @HaasiAustria
      @HaasiAustria 10 місяців тому

      @@zannall2699 Sorry, your message was deleted again. Do you wrote band names, that could violate any rules? 😀
      I only could read your first lines in the message, you spent an hour for researching. Wow, you do that for a stranger, thanks!
      I found also something, will write it in another message. If it would be deleted.

  • @BigMuff75
    @BigMuff75 Рік тому +9

    After that song from Left Hand Path, that Decapitated Riff hits insanely hard... although imho over the course of the video the br00tal sound of the new stuff wears out pretty quickly and the old stuff is a lot more diverse.

  • @Jertsukka
    @Jertsukka Рік тому +5

    those once loyal... 🥵🥵

  • @donovanrebbechi3334
    @donovanrebbechi3334 Рік тому +29

    I've really enjoyed TheSuffocater's videos. I would have liked to see Pestilence in the "Old School" mix but nice job overall. Though I'm an old school guy, Death Metal has come quite a long way in the last 30 years, as is apparent in this video. However, Chuck Schuldiner was way ahead of his time.

    • @zannall2699
      @zannall2699 Рік тому +2

      mind reflections just hits so hard

  • @the_malefactor
    @the_malefactor Рік тому +9

    Honestly, I think a number of these newer songs illustrated the conservatism in death metal writing (eg Abysmal Dawn, Aborted, Cannibal Corpse). Of course, many of those also are pretty veteran bands.

  • @Metalandstuff
    @Metalandstuff Рік тому +4

    Something special whit Death Metal, old school , new ...its still Death Metal 🤘

  • @driftthekaliyuga7502
    @driftthekaliyuga7502 Рік тому +5

    Been listening to death metal for 25 years and I love it all. Lots of new bands with old school chops too these days. Shit, even cassettes are coming back.

  • @xMIRAKx
    @xMIRAKx Рік тому +4

    MIssed the opportunity to do Barnes CC and Corpsegrinder CC.
    The old school and new school warlocks were a nice touch.

  • @amineabouzaid9095
    @amineabouzaid9095 Рік тому +4

    Just a great collab guys keep going !! We want more of you !

  • @jhin4158
    @jhin4158 Рік тому +1

    Great video! You did a perfect job of showing the contrasts of modern and old school death metal by playing all these amazing riffs

  • @hegelian27
    @hegelian27 Рік тому +4

    Great job to both of you! Man, I love that Rivers of Nihil riff. Such a fun one!

  • @AutumnReaper23
    @AutumnReaper23 Рік тому +6

    Awesome collaboration!!! And there is no clear winner as both are just as amazing!

  • @d0nniebr00ke7
    @d0nniebr00ke7 Рік тому +1

    Yessss!! I asked a couple months ago, and now we receive!! Glad this worked out! Killer playing from you both

  • @mikerauter1859
    @mikerauter1859 Рік тому +112

    TheSuffocater wins again! There's no school like the old school!

  • @josephbastidas3561
    @josephbastidas3561 Рік тому

    Never expected to see this collab but this was awesome, really enjoy both of your channels

  • @ChainsawChristmas
    @ChainsawChristmas Рік тому +5

    Thank goodness for content like this. Not a boring reaction or demo.

  • @97McLuvin
    @97McLuvin Рік тому

    what an awesome vid
    Didn't know I wanted/needed you two to do something together until 5 minutes ago

  • @JonnyJungle77
    @JonnyJungle77 Рік тому +1

    That was awesome guys, really enjoyed it. Y'all are badass guitarists!

  • @Mattalica-ss9pj
    @Mattalica-ss9pj Рік тому +31

    Maybe it is because I am from "then" (I even saw Death on the Leprosy tour)😊but I prefer the Old School death stuff. The older stuff has more groove with the technicality (but is no less brutal) -- I also prefer the drumming in the OS death. I get bored with blast beats. That said, Rivers of Nihil have been one of my favourite new (progressive) death bands for a few years now.

  • @bigjohnsbigmetalshow18
    @bigjohnsbigmetalshow18 Рік тому

    Absolutely brilliant, both of you.

  • @MetalKeith666
    @MetalKeith666 Рік тому +2

    Old and raw death metal is always the best

  • @Thrasher_Abbatoir
    @Thrasher_Abbatoir Рік тому

    Great track selection. Kudos to both of you!

  • @onetakehoovie5955
    @onetakehoovie5955 Рік тому +1

    Two of some of the best metal guitarist youtube creators collabing? I love it

  • @TheRealUncleBeef
    @TheRealUncleBeef 8 місяців тому

    I hope yous get together more. That was exquisite

  • @Jeffmetal42
    @Jeffmetal42 Рік тому +10

    killer video! I love all death metal, doesn't matter the school. I absolutely love the classics, but I also am a very big fan of a a lot of new stuff too. I'm as much part of the new school as much as I am the old school. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @juliansilva528
    @juliansilva528 6 місяців тому +1

    Spiritual Healing the GOAT, fight me!!!

  • @culturekiller86
    @culturekiller86 4 місяці тому +1

    Nothing in the world will ever compare to old school death metal

  • @devildozer
    @devildozer Рік тому +2

    Definitely one of my fav vids...f@*$ing sick as hell, I loved this collaboration guys!! Perfect guitar playing from both of you.
    Subscribed!!!!!!!

  • @jennyprorock
    @jennyprorock Рік тому +3

    Even have the old school warlock out...I salute your old school homage.. Awesome video. Good job guys.

  • @zeigknoechelbruder
    @zeigknoechelbruder Рік тому +1

    The collab i always wanted!

  • @Tyelkormoko
    @Tyelkormoko Рік тому +1

    what an amazing combination! Two of my favourites, this is just too strong

  • @davegillett4304
    @davegillett4304 Рік тому +3

    Can this amazing collaboration spawn an original track ? Id smother the like button for that . Love this channel!

  • @garrisonclark4793
    @garrisonclark4793 Рік тому

    Thomas so good to see the views reflect your amazing content, don't stop bro!

  • @kirisutegomen12
    @kirisutegomen12 Рік тому +2

    Great collab! 🤘🏼

  • @josueguillen5053
    @josueguillen5053 Рік тому

    Whoa hell of a collab! Good job guys

  • @rickbrunet2559
    @rickbrunet2559 Рік тому

    Great cola guys! You both are amazing guitarists! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

  • @joshuavalencia6146
    @joshuavalencia6146 Рік тому +1

    No way, TheSuffocater is in!.

  • @boot_912
    @boot_912 3 місяці тому

    I listen to both. They're fucking awesome. Old is still gold.

  • @jon_halliwell
    @jon_halliwell Рік тому

    Excellent video 🤘🤘🤘

  • @FlyingSpaceOstrich
    @FlyingSpaceOstrich Рік тому +2

    Yes! Spiritual Healing is one of my favorite Death songs

  • @zekt976
    @zekt976 Рік тому +1

    shit like this is how i have discovered like 90% of my new fav bands in the last year

  • @Popeye-xk5si
    @Popeye-xk5si Рік тому

    Good stuff as always my man ,, 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @TheeDangle
    @TheeDangle 10 місяців тому

    This selection of riffs from both of you are s teir. 11/10

  • @BalashToth
    @BalashToth Рік тому +1

    Awesome video. For me that Bolt Thrower riff slayed everything 😍 fucking menacing.

  • @kirisutegomen12
    @kirisutegomen12 Рік тому +8

    Archspire is a beast 🎸

  • @-the-light
    @-the-light Рік тому

    That was awesome!!!! Thank you guys!

  • @luisgoregonzalez7394
    @luisgoregonzalez7394 Рік тому

    Epic riffs! Amazing video! 🤩🤘🍻

  • @danieldoncel7308
    @danieldoncel7308 Рік тому +1

    Love the featuring with suffocater! 💀🤘🏽

  • @yungsmokeyogTX
    @yungsmokeyogTX Рік тому

    Sweet collab 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @atlante4368
    @atlante4368 Рік тому

    Great track selection. You guys rule!

  • @Terrierized
    @Terrierized Рік тому +3

    Subbed mate ! Loved Suffy doing 'suffocation'!!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  Рік тому

      I didn't even notice that 😂 Thanks for the sub!

  • @lebarak69
    @lebarak69 Рік тому +2

    You literally played my modern death playlist 1:1 impressive and good taste ;)

  • @TheMetal750
    @TheMetal750 Рік тому

    This was awesome ple as ee do more collaborative together!

  • @cannibal666
    @cannibal666 Рік тому

    DAM!!! What can I say u guys freaking shred awesome Collab great vid 💥🤘🤘👹💀⚡

  • @bluesrock88
    @bluesrock88 8 місяців тому

    Bolt thrower’s riffing is the best. So iconic, a trademark.

  • @egioch
    @egioch Рік тому

    Well, that was awesome!

  • @clowncorpse7230
    @clowncorpse7230 7 місяців тому

    Holy shit what an awesome video 😀

  • @MrTransmaterial
    @MrTransmaterial Рік тому +2

    What about power metal then vs now?
    By the way, great channel, I love it!

  • @Benobot99
    @Benobot99 Рік тому

    Awesome video

  • @sunsetbarmartigny
    @sunsetbarmartigny Рік тому +1

    That was great guys 🤘

  • @johnfeidt238
    @johnfeidt238 Рік тому

    So stoked to see the epic Those Once Loyal riff

  • @zandig666
    @zandig666 17 днів тому +1

    They all slay !!!!!!! But i like my '80s death metal damn !!!!! It took heavy metal my favorite time period farther
    Cheers !! Sounds killer

  • @AngelsINIDemonsCafe
    @AngelsINIDemonsCafe Рік тому

    Thanks, for the enlighten knowledge from the dark.

  • @geraldrauch1701
    @geraldrauch1701 Рік тому +1

    awesome guys!!! all hail the Suffocater!!! my first time seeing you thomas, very well done brother...just subbed!!! cheers!!!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  Рік тому

      Great to hear, thanks for the sub and kind words!

  • @argetect2847
    @argetect2847 11 місяців тому

    Now that's some good clean fun

  • @jessicalynn835
    @jessicalynn835 Рік тому

    oh I love the nearest Decapitated album. so groove, really cool \m/

  • @michizer0
    @michizer0 Рік тому

    Never understood how it s possible to play with your guitar on the right leg 😂. Great playing by the way!

  • @ChrisJones-yu9rz
    @ChrisJones-yu9rz Рік тому

    That was an epic battle! I am more old-school oriented, so the one thing that would’ve made me happy is after you played Cannibal Corpse newer stuff? If the sufficator would’ve whipped out some thing from back in the 80s or 90s lol.

  • @DOUGLASaraujosoares
    @DOUGLASaraujosoares Рік тому

    Awesome feat

  • @nicolaswhult
    @nicolaswhult Рік тому +1

    Old school for the indesputable win. Great job both of you guys, excellent playing!

  • @Pyropenguin10
    @Pyropenguin10 Рік тому +1

    Was literally thinking "what if he had a guest? Would they be g/s'ed in?" Great keying job! It definitely couldn't have been easy!

  • @quasimodoshunchback
    @quasimodoshunchback Рік тому

    yessssssssssss this was so sick!!!!!!!1

  • @tims
    @tims Рік тому

    I need a Spotify playlist of these tunes!

  • @SingularityCSGO1
    @SingularityCSGO1 Рік тому +17

    Man i just love every video you do! Sick collab bros, you guys are awesome!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  Рік тому +1

      Love to hear it! Thanks for the support!

  • @Spiffelight
    @Spiffelight Рік тому

    Hell yeah I loved this, oldschool got the feelgood vibes but modern for me got the chug you want, love both!

  • @steve1982n
    @steve1982n 7 місяців тому

    Old school metal forever 🤘

  • @shapeshifter-theamorphousg3264

    One thing's crystal clear: All hail the oldschool!!!

  • @efedobleve718
    @efedobleve718 Місяць тому

    I want a playlist with all these songs😮🖤

  • @pain9270
    @pain9270 Рік тому +1

    I love both, but if I had to chose one it would be old school.
    You guys should do more videos together.

  • @fartvader84yearsago8
    @fartvader84yearsago8 Рік тому

    I admire your commitment to rapidly age to do the old school part

  • @zannall2699
    @zannall2699 Рік тому

    man you guys hit the fucking mark for new and old bands, rivers of nihil and archspire mwah. but the classics i expected were there death morbid angel and cannibal corpse.

  • @isfet5149
    @isfet5149 Рік тому +4

    Old school wins easily!

  • @julitoalcazar1996
    @julitoalcazar1996 Рік тому

    Damn, sick guitar tones in this video

  • @lukash_zx9003
    @lukash_zx9003 Рік тому

    Thank you for the video. I’ve been waiting it for a ling time. Waiting for a progressive metal))

  • @deathsquadrec
    @deathsquadrec Рік тому

    I was really hoping to see Rivers of NIhil on here, and I was not disappointed. most excellent

  • @Azzmelater
    @Azzmelater 9 місяців тому

    The beautiful thing about metal is there’s no such thing as one is better both are legendary!

  • @davidadolfoplacenciamontes5312

    EPIC COLLAB

  • @mrbookends
    @mrbookends Рік тому +1

    Amazingly enough - just today (!) - I had Vader "De Profundis" (1994?) and Sinister "Diabolical Summoning" (1993?) playing while working from home, followed up by the new Archspire. And here's the thing - if either of those early 90s album had been released this month, they'd be on "album of the year" lists on websites this year..... It's been decades, but how far have we really come?!

  • @DominicAirola
    @DominicAirola Рік тому

    Love how you made it obvious that you had to speed up Archspire lol

  • @vertigus28
    @vertigus28 Рік тому

    im old school. loved this and have a heap of new bands to enjoy. First thing I notice on hearing this is that snare is really played at speed in the more modern bands. Death, Morbids and Benediction always my faves but.
    peace