DEATH METAL THEN VS. NOW feat. TheSuffocater! Old School vs. Modern Death Metal (2022) Riff Battle

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  • Опубліковано 25 гру 2024

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  • @TheSuffocater
    @TheSuffocater 2 роки тому +1058

    Hey Thomas , thanks for having me as the Old School guy :) You are a hell of a guitarist !

    • @kirisutegomen12
      @kirisutegomen12 2 роки тому +34

      The man, the legend 🤘🏼

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  2 роки тому +99

      It was an honor! One of my inspirations for the riff battle format, very exciting to have you on a video 🤘

    • @northstarz1125
      @northstarz1125 2 роки тому +7

      Ur both amazing my brothers in metal!!!

    • @souliss
      @souliss 2 роки тому +8

      This was a shower thought of mine about two weeks ago so thank you! Also... stay out of my shower please... disgusting...

    • @Ronnie_GT1000
      @Ronnie_GT1000 2 роки тому +1

      You're certainly one of my favorite metal youtube guitarists out there man! Keep it up, and I like your collection of guitars too!

  • @osamabinlaggin69
    @osamabinlaggin69 2 роки тому +175

    Love how it doesn’t matter whether the metal is old or new, the warlock is timeless.

    • @phantomechelon3628
      @phantomechelon3628 Рік тому +12

      Still the most metal guitar ever made IMO.

    • @paws-h8p
      @paws-h8p Рік тому +3

      just had mine customized tooooo . me is most proud 😸

    • @Keepitsavage21
      @Keepitsavage21 4 місяці тому

      As long as you don’t buy a cheap pawn shop made in China model you’re good.

  • @GabAssbreaker
    @GabAssbreaker 2 роки тому +293

    Old School Death Metal is the best music ever made, modern Death Metal is amazing in its own right but the old, vintage Death Metal sound is the thing i love the most. Props to both players, you guys rocks!

    • @malteadotas4
      @malteadotas4 2 роки тому +16

      I agree. The technicality of modern Death Metal is incredible, but it's also less memorable IMO. I enjoy both but those old school riffs get me going every time.

    • @MegaDuanra
      @MegaDuanra 2 роки тому

      Indeed

    • @GabAssbreaker
      @GabAssbreaker 2 роки тому +7

      @@malteadotas4 yeah its hard sometimes to recognize what band you are listening nowadays (soo many great bands in these days), yet i always can tell appart Suffocation from Incantation, and Incantation from Immolation despite how similar the bands names are, just for how iconic Is the music of any of those bands

    • @malteadotas4
      @malteadotas4 2 роки тому +2

      @@GabAssbreaker exactly! and the sound.Each band is very unique, they are so recognizable. \m/

    • @kylepardueish
      @kylepardueish 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@malteadotas4 there's basically no such thing as tech death anymore. All death metal is pretty technical now

  • @timothyjewell9642
    @timothyjewell9642 Рік тому +43

    Seeing "old school" being applied to albums that came out when I was a teenager (I'm 33 now), like Bolt Thrower "Those Once Loyal", is such a trip. Old school will never not mean bands like Death, Morbid Angel, Suffocation, etc. \m/

    • @cobgod1415
      @cobgod1415 7 місяців тому +4

      Those Once Loyal definitely isn't an old school album considering it came out in 2005, but it was probably included because Bolt Thrower are an old school band who released their first album in 1988

    • @timothyjewell9642
      @timothyjewell9642 7 місяців тому +2

      True that! I mean, 2005 was 19 years ago, though. To a kid just getting into metal, that probably DOES seem pretty old school - it’d be like me listening to “Reign In Blood” in 2005 and thinking that it was old school (which it definitely felt like at the time)

  • @VeritabIlIti
    @VeritabIlIti 2 роки тому +40

    Is no one gonna talk about how amazing that Archspire bit was? Such precision, and definitely at full tempo! 😂 keep up the good work, lads

  • @Knocker420
    @Knocker420 2 роки тому +130

    That was a f**kin sick collab! Awesome tracks and awesome shreds from Thomas Hogue and TheSuffocater! Let's keep this going, guys. Please!!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  2 роки тому +5

      Indeed! I have done some of these before but not in awhile. Any bands you are thinking of?

  • @redinthesky1
    @redinthesky1 2 роки тому +85

    Great riff battle ! As impressive as Archspire is, (and I absolutely love their brand of Tech) there is no denying the infectious joy of 90s Deicide (Legion is king)

    • @cannibal666
      @cannibal666 2 роки тому

      🤘👹 HELL YEAH DECIDE💥

    • @davesiddons8921
      @davesiddons8921 2 роки тому +7

      Legion is death metal perfection, 29 minutes without a second wasted on fluff

    • @moonlightequilibrium
      @moonlightequilibrium 2 роки тому +5

      i usually lean towards modern death metal, but deicide has to be one of the best bands, period.

    • @phantomechelon3628
      @phantomechelon3628 Рік тому +1

      For me it was remembering how much I love Obituary, Bolt Thrower and Death. But I guess we all have our favourites.

    • @HaasiAustria
      @HaasiAustria Рік тому +1

      Legion is one of the best metal albums ever!
      Deicide never came back to it's quality, but it's ok. Better they have one ever hammer album and a few good, than more good and no killer like Legion.

  • @bloody-fire
    @bloody-fire 2 роки тому +78

    this is really unexpected but so amazing collab! you really should do more videos together, cause this one is the fire!

  • @BalashToth
    @BalashToth 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome video. For me that Bolt Thrower riff slayed everything 😍 fucking menacing.

  • @Pyropenguin10
    @Pyropenguin10 2 роки тому +1

    Was literally thinking "what if he had a guest? Would they be g/s'ed in?" Great keying job! It definitely couldn't have been easy!

  • @boot_912
    @boot_912 11 місяців тому +1

    I listen to both. They're fucking awesome. Old is still gold.

  • @driftthekaliyuga7502
    @driftthekaliyuga7502 2 роки тому +9

    Been listening to death metal for 25 years and I love it all. Lots of new bands with old school chops too these days. Shit, even cassettes are coming back.

  • @jasonvanwinkle2388
    @jasonvanwinkle2388 2 роки тому +74

    I knew Spiritual Healing before it played just by the finger placement 😁 can't beat old school Death Metal! I need to listen to more newer Death Metal, I'll take this as a recommendation!

    • @oifvet7487
      @oifvet7487 2 роки тому +2

      I just can't really get into the newer stuff

    • @zannall2699
      @zannall2699 2 роки тому +1

      newer bands i'd recommend (besides rivers of nihil and archspire) include but are not limited to: Revocation, Jinjer, Brand of sacrifice, and if you are in a particular spicey mode paledusk. Slugdge is one of my favorites but I wouldn't consider them newer death metal.

    • @HaasiAustria
      @HaasiAustria Рік тому

      @@zannall2699 Do you know any instrumental death metal bands? My girlfriend would like it, but she hates growling.
      I know Blotted Science, but it's too much Jazz. I search classical old school death metal. Or trash metal.

    • @zannall2699
      @zannall2699 Рік тому +1

      @@HaasiAustria without harsh vocals you might be able too get her into heavy edm.

    • @HaasiAustria
      @HaasiAustria Рік тому

      @@zannall2699 Sorry, your message was deleted again. Do you wrote band names, that could violate any rules? 😀
      I only could read your first lines in the message, you spent an hour for researching. Wow, you do that for a stranger, thanks!
      I found also something, will write it in another message. If it would be deleted.

  • @vladdergraue1942
    @vladdergraue1942 5 місяців тому +1

    In my opinion (I've been listening to DM since the early 90s) the sound of the 90s was groovier. But there were also grenades like Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Cannibal Corpse, Meshuggah. The later DM sound of the 00s and 10s is more technical, better produced (at the expense of the groove) and so unnaturally hectic and chaotic that I hardly heard DM at that time. I can barely listen to these talented new musicians pounding out their scales, breaks, riffs and tempo changes at an insane pace anymore, except for one or two songs at most. The last current DM LP was Morta Skuld. Greetings to all DM fans out there and hats off to your skills, you two!

  • @FlyingSpaceOstrich
    @FlyingSpaceOstrich 2 роки тому +2

    Yes! Spiritual Healing is one of my favorite Death songs

  • @marchanson169
    @marchanson169 2 роки тому +27

    It's all great. I do think that there is a little bit of tradeoff where the "evil" vibe diminishes in proportion to technicality. It's not a good or bad thing -- just a thing.

  • @mikerauter1859
    @mikerauter1859 2 роки тому +120

    TheSuffocater wins again! There's no school like the old school!

  • @onetakehoovie5955
    @onetakehoovie5955 2 роки тому +1

    Two of some of the best metal guitarist youtube creators collabing? I love it

  • @donovanrebbechi3334
    @donovanrebbechi3334 2 роки тому +30

    I've really enjoyed TheSuffocater's videos. I would have liked to see Pestilence in the "Old School" mix but nice job overall. Though I'm an old school guy, Death Metal has come quite a long way in the last 30 years, as is apparent in this video. However, Chuck Schuldiner was way ahead of his time.

    • @zannall2699
      @zannall2699 2 роки тому +2

      mind reflections just hits so hard

  • @nicolaswhult
    @nicolaswhult 2 роки тому +2

    Old school for the indesputable win. Great job both of you guys, excellent playing!

  • @lebarak69
    @lebarak69 2 роки тому +2

    You literally played my modern death playlist 1:1 impressive and good taste ;)

  • @i-never-look-at-replies-lol
    @i-never-look-at-replies-lol 2 роки тому +27

    Older ftw. Honestly without the vocals, the newer stuff sounds like it could fit in across several different modern metal genres. I expecting just a tonal difference, but there's more than that going on.

    • @d3th_2_all
      @d3th_2_all Рік тому +6

      I feel like that’s because modern metal has a lot of integrating of other genres due to the broad spectrum of metal now

  • @TheeDangle
    @TheeDangle Рік тому

    This selection of riffs from both of you are s teir. 11/10

  • @MrTransmaterial
    @MrTransmaterial 2 роки тому +2

    What about power metal then vs now?
    By the way, great channel, I love it!

  • @danieldoncel7308
    @danieldoncel7308 2 роки тому +1

    Love the featuring with suffocater! 💀🤘🏽

  • @zandig666
    @zandig666 8 місяців тому +1

    They all slay !!!!!!! But i like my '80s death metal damn !!!!! It took heavy metal my favorite time period farther
    Cheers !! Sounds killer

  • @TheStrykerProject
    @TheStrykerProject 2 роки тому

    EPIC collab, gents! Throughout the video I was thinking, "I wonder if Archspire will make the list"...Last song? Archspire! And thanks for not hiding the fact y'all had to speed up the video!! 😆 (It was epic, nonetheless)

  • @davegillett4304
    @davegillett4304 2 роки тому +3

    Can this amazing collaboration spawn an original track ? Id smother the like button for that . Love this channel!

  • @BadSensation
    @BadSensation 2 роки тому

    Death metal is just so fucking great that I love both the old school stuff and the new stuff. And everything in between. That genre will never become boring, stale or predictable.

  • @zekt976
    @zekt976 2 роки тому +1

    shit like this is how i have discovered like 90% of my new fav bands in the last year

  • @Azzmelater
    @Azzmelater Рік тому

    The beautiful thing about metal is there’s no such thing as one is better both are legendary!

  • @ChrisJones-yu9rz
    @ChrisJones-yu9rz Рік тому

    That was an epic battle! I am more old-school oriented, so the one thing that would’ve made me happy is after you played Cannibal Corpse newer stuff? If the sufficator would’ve whipped out some thing from back in the 80s or 90s lol.

  • @michizer0
    @michizer0 Рік тому

    Never understood how it s possible to play with your guitar on the right leg 😂. Great playing by the way!

  • @BigMuff75
    @BigMuff75 2 роки тому +13

    After that song from Left Hand Path, that Decapitated Riff hits insanely hard... although imho over the course of the video the br00tal sound of the new stuff wears out pretty quickly and the old stuff is a lot more diverse.

  • @zeigknoechelbruder
    @zeigknoechelbruder 2 роки тому +1

    The collab i always wanted!

  • @kirisutegomen12
    @kirisutegomen12 2 роки тому +2

    Great collab! 🤘🏼

  • @SingularityCSGO1
    @SingularityCSGO1 2 роки тому +18

    Man i just love every video you do! Sick collab bros, you guys are awesome!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  2 роки тому +1

      Love to hear it! Thanks for the support!

  • @zannall2699
    @zannall2699 2 роки тому

    man you guys hit the fucking mark for new and old bands, rivers of nihil and archspire mwah. but the classics i expected were there death morbid angel and cannibal corpse.

  • @johnfeidt238
    @johnfeidt238 2 роки тому

    So stoked to see the epic Those Once Loyal riff

  • @Jeffmetal42
    @Jeffmetal42 2 роки тому +10

    killer video! I love all death metal, doesn't matter the school. I absolutely love the classics, but I also am a very big fan of a a lot of new stuff too. I'm as much part of the new school as much as I am the old school. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @deathsquadrec
    @deathsquadrec 2 роки тому

    I was really hoping to see Rivers of NIhil on here, and I was not disappointed. most excellent

  • @bluesrock88
    @bluesrock88 Рік тому

    Bolt thrower’s riffing is the best. So iconic, a trademark.

  • @fartvader84yearsago8
    @fartvader84yearsago8 2 роки тому

    I admire your commitment to rapidly age to do the old school part

  • @jhin4158
    @jhin4158 2 роки тому +2

    Great video! You did a perfect job of showing the contrasts of modern and old school death metal by playing all these amazing riffs

  • @kowskull_
    @kowskull_ 2 роки тому +1

    I think the winner here is death metal, in general.

  • @Tyelkormoko
    @Tyelkormoko 2 роки тому +1

    what an amazing combination! Two of my favourites, this is just too strong

  • @davidadolfoplacenciamontes5312
    @davidadolfoplacenciamontes5312 2 роки тому

    EPIC COLLAB

  • @devildozer
    @devildozer 2 роки тому +2

    Definitely one of my fav vids...f@*$ing sick as hell, I loved this collaboration guys!! Perfect guitar playing from both of you.
    Subscribed!!!!!!!

  • @jessicalynn835
    @jessicalynn835 2 роки тому

    oh I love the nearest Decapitated album. so groove, really cool \m/

  • @AutumnReaper23
    @AutumnReaper23 2 роки тому +7

    Awesome collaboration!!! And there is no clear winner as both are just as amazing!

  • @Spiffelight
    @Spiffelight 2 роки тому

    Hell yeah I loved this, oldschool got the feelgood vibes but modern for me got the chug you want, love both!

  • @egioch
    @egioch 2 роки тому

    Well, that was awesome!

  • @joshuavalencia6146
    @joshuavalencia6146 2 роки тому +1

    No way, TheSuffocater is in!.

  • @bartekwas9791
    @bartekwas9791 2 роки тому +3

    cool to see this collab, great job guys! and hate top be that guy but just wanna say that modern dm scene is muchos more than technodeath and old bands dropping new stuff, there's massive OSDM revival rn and new wave of monke death which deserve way more attention than it gets, just saying. Still it was just sick, can't wait for more in the future, cheers.

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  2 роки тому +1

      There is definitely a lot of variety in death metal today, I came across some of those bands like Gatecreeper in my research. I tried to pick bands that had more of a "modern" sound to show contrast (besides CC who I just wanted to feature in some way)

  • @quasimodoshunchback
    @quasimodoshunchback 2 роки тому

    yessssssssssss this was so sick!!!!!!!1

  • @SoftStationMusic
    @SoftStationMusic Рік тому

    I hope yous get together more. That was exquisite

  • @cannibal666
    @cannibal666 2 роки тому

    DAM!!! What can I say u guys freaking shred awesome Collab great vid 💥🤘🤘👹💀⚡

  • @ShapeshifteR-TheAnomalyGameCat
    @ShapeshifteR-TheAnomalyGameCat 2 роки тому +3

    One thing's crystal clear: All hail the oldschool!!!

  • @geraldrauch1701
    @geraldrauch1701 2 роки тому +1

    awesome guys!!! all hail the Suffocater!!! my first time seeing you thomas, very well done brother...just subbed!!! cheers!!!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  2 роки тому

      Great to hear, thanks for the sub and kind words!

  • @Terrierized
    @Terrierized 2 роки тому +3

    Subbed mate ! Loved Suffy doing 'suffocation'!!

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  2 роки тому

      I didn't even notice that 😂 Thanks for the sub!

  • @-the-light
    @-the-light 2 роки тому

    That was awesome!!!! Thank you guys!

  • @ChainsawChristmas
    @ChainsawChristmas 2 роки тому +5

    Thank goodness for content like this. Not a boring reaction or demo.

  • @sunsetbarmartigny
    @sunsetbarmartigny 2 роки тому +1

    That was great guys 🤘

  • @JonnyJungle77
    @JonnyJungle77 2 роки тому +1

    That was awesome guys, really enjoyed it. Y'all are badass guitarists!

  • @josueguillen5053
    @josueguillen5053 2 роки тому

    Whoa hell of a collab! Good job guys

  • @clowncorpse7230
    @clowncorpse7230 Рік тому

    Holy shit what an awesome video 😀

  • @DOUGLASaraujosoares
    @DOUGLASaraujosoares 2 роки тому

    Awesome feat

  • @garrisonclark4793
    @garrisonclark4793 2 роки тому

    Thomas so good to see the views reflect your amazing content, don't stop bro!

  • @97McLuvin
    @97McLuvin 2 роки тому

    what an awesome vid
    Didn't know I wanted/needed you two to do something together until 5 minutes ago

  • @hegelian27
    @hegelian27 2 роки тому +4

    Great job to both of you! Man, I love that Rivers of Nihil riff. Such a fun one!

  • @amineabouzaid9095
    @amineabouzaid9095 2 роки тому +6

    Just a great collab guys keep going !! We want more of you !

  • @TheMetal750
    @TheMetal750 2 роки тому

    This was awesome ple as ee do more collaborative together!

  • @lukash_zx9003
    @lukash_zx9003 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the video. I’ve been waiting it for a ling time. Waiting for a progressive metal))

  • @julioazathoth
    @julioazathoth 2 роки тому

    Damn, sick guitar tones in this video

  • @jennyprorock
    @jennyprorock 2 роки тому +3

    Even have the old school warlock out...I salute your old school homage.. Awesome video. Good job guys.

  • @luisgoregonzalez7394
    @luisgoregonzalez7394 Рік тому

    Epic riffs! Amazing video! 🤩🤘🍻

  • @Popeye-xk5si
    @Popeye-xk5si 2 роки тому

    Good stuff as always my man ,, 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @argetect2847
    @argetect2847 Рік тому

    Now that's some good clean fun

  • @tttarms1970
    @tttarms1970 Рік тому +13

    Old school....the only school

  • @suicidewhitechapel23
    @suicidewhitechapel23 2 роки тому +1

    What a fucking ending, ucking awesomeeee

  • @FLOURISHFAMILYENT
    @FLOURISHFAMILYENT 2 роки тому

    Sweet collab 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @rickbrunet2559
    @rickbrunet2559 2 роки тому

    Great cola guys! You both are amazing guitarists! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

  • @jbasti227
    @jbasti227 2 роки тому

    Never expected to see this collab but this was awesome, really enjoy both of your channels

  • @nightslayer23
    @nightslayer23 2 роки тому

    what i like about the classic ish oldschool melodic death metal is the riffs and the well melody and yes i know its death metal but still i love the oldschool death metal melody modern death metal is almost a mix with deathcore and melodic death metal cuz the guitars are lowered tuned but in short i love both oldschool and modern but fully preff oldschool and both you are amazing well done

  • @rysiumasakra
    @rysiumasakra Рік тому +1

    Archspire - what happens when Busta Rhymes goes death metal

  • @pain9270
    @pain9270 2 роки тому +1

    I love both, but if I had to chose one it would be old school.
    You guys should do more videos together.

  • @atlante4368
    @atlante4368 2 роки тому

    Great track selection. You guys rule!

  • @bigjohnsbigmetalshow18
    @bigjohnsbigmetalshow18 2 роки тому

    Absolutely brilliant, both of you.

  • @AngelsINIDemonsCafe
    @AngelsINIDemonsCafe 2 роки тому

    Thanks, for the enlighten knowledge from the dark.

  • @jon_halliwell
    @jon_halliwell 2 роки тому

    Excellent video 🤘🤘🤘

  • @Thrasher_Abbatoir
    @Thrasher_Abbatoir 2 роки тому

    Great track selection. Kudos to both of you!

  • @Dnll88
    @Dnll88 2 роки тому

    All bands are fucking awesome. 🔥

  • @mrbookends
    @mrbookends 2 роки тому +1

    Amazingly enough - just today (!) - I had Vader "De Profundis" (1994?) and Sinister "Diabolical Summoning" (1993?) playing while working from home, followed up by the new Archspire. And here's the thing - if either of those early 90s album had been released this month, they'd be on "album of the year" lists on websites this year..... It's been decades, but how far have we really come?!

  • @BatteryAcidEater
    @BatteryAcidEater 2 роки тому +1

    Old and raw death metal is always the best

  • @Benobot99
    @Benobot99 2 роки тому

    Awesome video

  • @the_malefactor
    @the_malefactor 2 роки тому +11

    Honestly, I think a number of these newer songs illustrated the conservatism in death metal writing (eg Abysmal Dawn, Aborted, Cannibal Corpse). Of course, many of those also are pretty veteran bands.

  • @darkgoku200
    @darkgoku200 2 роки тому

    One hell of a show. The guy on the right is the old one, yes? If not your guitar work is amazing Thomas. Keep it up, also other guy keep it up too. 😆😆
    Also Thomas any chance of Arch Enemy start to end riffs? Be awesome too see. 😀

    • @ThomasHogue
      @ThomasHogue  2 роки тому

      I'm not sure what you mean by the old one 😅 But... there could definitely be an Arch Enemy video in the future, I'm a big fan and they've been making good music for a long time!

  • @Metalandstuff
    @Metalandstuff 2 роки тому +6

    Something special whit Death Metal, old school , new ...its still Death Metal 🤘

  • @PopcornSkorpion
    @PopcornSkorpion 2 роки тому +1

    I have the exact schecter 7 string, such a joy to play

  • @Pitbull0669
    @Pitbull0669 Рік тому

    SUPER BADASS!