Recovery points.(Structural Engineer here). The chassis members are made from 2 mm steel. You can install v strong Jate rings but the bolts will start to pull through the walls of the chassis rails under load. You need to increase the wall thickness at the anchor points by welding on doubler plates (say 3mm thick) which will spread the load. Of course the standard Jate rings won't fit over the doubler plates so they need to be modified, but you will at leadt have strong recovery points.
Bill, you honour me greatly by imparting your highly educated and experienced knowledge here. Thank you!! I will immediately start researching into what you've said and see how I can implement it in the future. Warm regards, John
@@auto-funatics7147 No honour mate, just a bit of commonsense. If I were a bit younger I'd think about marketing a recovery point kit with doubler plates (which would need to be welded to the chassis rails) and widened Jate rings.
I have not seen a more competent and carefull job of team leardeship in a recovery process - the fact that you have included the post recovery review in the video puts this to the top of the list of recovery learning videos
Hey just to add a note about the defender ‘recovery’ points… they do tell you under towing section in the manual it says that they not for off road recovery.
You're absolutely right - but as Marcus says, it's all we've got - but using them with a bridle to distribute the load evenly between the two seems to work. The reason why mine snapped was because everyone was tired, and so we thought just using the one would be fine that once... Oops 😬. I couldn't include that part of the discussion because it was quite a heated discussion 😅. A debatable subject for sure 😁!
@@auto-funatics7147 ahah yeah I totally understand 😁 yeah I was looking into what could actually work as a proper defender recovery point for defenders and not much out there at all! I have the pin and ball 2 in 1 tow hitch which I thought I just use the pin and job down but been told can’t use the pin, so I think when poo has hit the fan use what you got and get out :)
great video and team work, awesome of them to come help like that, will like to add those "recovery point" mentioned in the talk near the end are NOT recovery points, they are only tie down points for transportation
You're right! But what else do we have? The bridal works... until you don't use the bridal 😅. We really have a problem of there being no properly rated products for us available, unless one goes custom - and that's not tested and rated!
I learn alot from this video thanks a 4x4 driver learn everyday best thing i think is to know your bakkie and the main thing is tyre pressure i like this video👍
So glad you enjoyed it Toblas! There were many many factors, chief of them being that I didn't "walk the way" first, else I might have realised how soft the soil in the stream was. Also, from the amount of sinkholes that I had to avoid coming in, should be an indication of treacherous ground that could give way. My vehicle was empty when trying to cross the stream, so no I don't think weight was the issue there. Deflated tyres helped delay the inevitable though - so that's the most important step in the right direction 👍🏻
Recovery points.(Structural Engineer here). The chassis members are made from 2 mm steel. You can install v strong Jate rings but the bolts will start to pull through the walls of the chassis rails under load. You need to increase the wall thickness at the anchor points by welding on doubler plates (say 3mm thick) which will spread the load. Of course the standard Jate rings won't fit over the doubler plates so they need to be modified, but you will at leadt have strong recovery points.
Bill, you honour me greatly by imparting your highly educated and experienced knowledge here. Thank you!!
I will immediately start researching into what you've said and see how I can implement it in the future.
Warm regards, John
@@auto-funatics7147 No honour mate, just a bit of commonsense.
If I were a bit younger I'd think about marketing a recovery point kit with doubler plates (which would need to be welded to the chassis rails) and widened Jate rings.
I have not seen a more competent and carefull job of team leardeship in a recovery process
- the fact that you have included the post recovery review in the video puts this to the top of the list of recovery learning videos
John, I couldn't agree more about the recovery team. I've sent your compliment on to them. I'm glad you enjoyed the video so much. Thank you 🙏🏻
Fantastic recovery and footage. ..well done John and all the 😇
Thank you! Yep, they were incredible ☺️
"Take your time to save time" - you guys did a sterling recovery job!
Agreed 💯👍🏻
It was a perfect team effort. A friend in need is a friend in need ❤. Long live brotherhood with humanity 😊
👌🏻
Awesome to know and have friends like these, great recovery guys
Agreed! 👍🏻
'only a landy can save a landy'... that's the same attitude that got you into that mess. good adventure never the less!
😂 just poking fun at my friends 😁
hehe, at least you can all laugh at the end, epic part of the world. That dude has serious knowledge@@auto-funatics7147
Awesome job guys
Thanks man - glad you enjoyed it!
Land Rover has always been clear that the little round bits front and back are NOT recovery points. They are shipping tie downs.
Hey just to add a note about the defender ‘recovery’ points… they do tell you under towing section in the manual it says that they not for off road recovery.
You're absolutely right - but as Marcus says, it's all we've got - but using them with a bridle to distribute the load evenly between the two seems to work. The reason why mine snapped was because everyone was tired, and so we thought just using the one would be fine that once... Oops 😬.
I couldn't include that part of the discussion because it was quite a heated discussion 😅.
A debatable subject for sure 😁!
@@auto-funatics7147 ahah yeah I totally understand 😁 yeah I was looking into what could actually work as a proper defender recovery point for defenders and not much out there at all! I have the pin and ball 2 in 1 tow hitch which I thought I just use the pin and job down but been told can’t use the pin, so I think when poo has hit the fan use what you got and get out :)
great video and team work, awesome of them to come help like that, will like to add those "recovery point" mentioned in the talk near the end are NOT recovery points, they are only tie down points for transportation
You're right! But what else do we have? The bridal works... until you don't use the bridal 😅.
We really have a problem of there being no properly rated products for us available, unless one goes custom - and that's not tested and rated!
Excellent recovery, and a great vid.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic video Gents! learnt allot.... only a landy can recover a landy LOL
😂 yep... Glad you enjoyed it!
wow very interesting experience friend
Great video! 👌
Thank you!!
Amazing adventure. I gues u must install winch infront bumper side... on that amazing LR, so u can winch up
Definitely the plan now. Thanks for watching! Enjoyed your mma vids 😉
I learn alot from this video thanks a 4x4 driver learn everyday best thing i think is to know your bakkie and the main thing is tyre pressure i like this video👍
Mooi man, dankie 🙏🏻😉
What an experience. Thank you for sharing.
Do you think vehicle weight was an issue?
So glad you enjoyed it Toblas!
There were many many factors, chief of them being that I didn't "walk the way" first, else I might have realised how soft the soil in the stream was.
Also, from the amount of sinkholes that I had to avoid coming in, should be an indication of treacherous ground that could give way.
My vehicle was empty when trying to cross the stream, so no I don't think weight was the issue there.
Deflated tyres helped delay the inevitable though - so that's the most important step in the right direction 👍🏻
Boys will be boys. Bet that was some adventure.
It absolutely was...!
That was just awesome guys. Could be a part of the Camel Trophy ;-)
YES!
Not a winch insight..snatch towing on a ball hitch using a strap, no kinetic ropes 🤷♂️
Think you need to watch it again 🤣
You should have gotten a Toyota
😂