What do we know about the Lava Lash situation? They lock us last Friday with free xfers butchering a very fun and friendly realm.... ...then unlock Lava Lash again after the weekend. While xfers are still free to CS and WG. Why would the devs fuck with us like that?
The vast majority of people calling for 20/40 man raids are not the ones organizing and leading them, reaching out to the same people every week making sure they’ll be there and trying to fill for them when they don’t show up. They’re not the ones recruiting and maintaining the roster. They’re not the ones having their time and efforts disrespected.
@@Muranight "That's your problem." You're right, I'm just another random dude on the internet trying to put a raid together. I'm making it my problem. That said, the game needs people like me to lead these raids. If people aren't willing to step up and deal with it, raids never happen. I can tell you of the 20 people in my raid, 19 of them will not step up and put in the level of effort that I have. 9 of those 19 people are people I have been playing with for the last 3-5 years, and I can tell you if I stop raid leading, they'll just quit playing. It's not just my problem. The less people you have leading, the less people you have raiding. The less people you have raiding, the faster the game dies. You sound like someone who has never tried to recruit or lead a raid. I've been doing it for the last 4 years.
10 mans aren't raids. They're glorified dungeons. My guild has no problem pugging a few people each week. The hardest part of raid leading in sod is having enough space in your bads for all the crafting mats and boss items so you don't have to roll loot until the end.
@@brandonwilson4740 Having to PUG every week kills morale even if the raids are easy. I've always maintained a roster. Having the same people each week means people aren't just leaving with the best items. Maybe if Blizz decided to make more than one set of weapons actually viable and not contested to the point where half the raid is after them, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. PUGs are also a mixed bag and you never know what you're going to get. Maybe 10 man raids aren't the answer, but neither is increasing to 40 man.
I'm an "altoholic" and phase 1 was really really easy to play multiple characters (not just because level cap was 25). now in phase 3 i cant bring myself to even log on my main anymore because if i dont keep up with gold farming i have no good consumables or personal effects that i like bringing to a raid environment. it feels like a chore now. just going to wait for kharazan crypts raid
Problem is you can't exactly just "wait for Kharazan crypts" when guilds and even pugs will be requiring gearscore and parses. You'll need parses from the previous raid tier at least plus more or less full gear.
Its not because of Cataclysm its because they hyped up SoD and failed on promises. Making incursions give insane gold, xp (even after nerf) and rep...at 25 you can be friendly/honored before hitting level 50 which then you can instantly buy 6 pieces ready for ST...They did incursions so we dont spam dungeons which killed off most SM runs yet you get books from these old dungeons and priest needs pain supression from sm lib...Which is frustrating and Blizz contradicts themselvs as people are spamming mara for wild offerings and doing logout skip to spam it fast and ST is on a weekly lockout. You can also get 1k rep daily from incursions rep and pvp rep to point everyone can be exalted before 60 and classic relied on these factors for slow progression which means there is nothing to do except logon to do ST for an hour or two and logoff and all pops show now medium for both US and EU people will deny it but sod is dying fast. Also Aggrend stated the goal on hard content...He thinks players want easy casual and blast things so no we shouldnt have faith in devs...they let us down and pre patch cata is full of bugs which is same dev team as sod...No faith when they keep letting us down
Bro, 20 man raids DID NOT kill my guild but made them more fun. We like them. And we have 3X 20mans. If we go back to 10 mans we would quit if that's all we get
The 20 man raid and people saying its hard to get groups together is because of the parse culture. The people saying that it is hard to get groups together, are looking for the best classes and specs, to play along with performance. And on top of that, they are looking for one or two specific classes and specs to boost there own damage, like, Feral or Balance druid. Over all this 20 man raid size being too large, is a player made issue, by everyone wanting to mid-max there dps.
There currently 187 people raiding Horde on Penance AU, we take anyone we can get. We weren't a large server in the first place but it's less than half the people raiding compared to Phase 2. 10 Man's are just easier to organise and give each player more agency.
I have never seen so many (but small) guilds in all of my 20yrs in wow. I think ytube raid guides causes alot of ppl to create guilds with a few friends cuz they think they have the info they need to clear the raid. Leading a guild takes alot more than that, its always been hard work and the smaller the guild is the harder that work is.
Dude am I living in the freaking twilight zone??? You saying all SoD needs is some minor tweaking to specific spells like lava burst is the funniest thing I've heard this month! SHAMAN ARE BROKEN. Like absolutely overclocked to an irresponsible extent. Truly I don't know where to start. They're extremely tanky, the dps specs can full heal themselves basically instantly, the passive utility/mitigation through totems is out of freaking control, and on top of that they're absolutely ripping shit. Like the damage needs to be cut in half. Each aspect on their own isn't crazy, but when they're all put together it's absurd man. If you get into an AB with 5 shaman it's over. There's not even any sense in playing. For the love of god nerf shaman.
Malestorm should not give instant heals. Without extreme critluck and bubble thers nothing i can do as ret to win. Specially orcs that resist hoj and nades xD
20 man and 40 man raids are exactly what I want to see. It's the most fun ever. People are whiny babies. Incursions are great too. Leveled 5 toons to 50 and it was fantastic and super easy/fun. I enjoy grinding mobs. Incursions just makes it more lucrative.
I had like 5 Alts in p1, then 3 in p2, then just my main for p3….doing the dark riders chain over and over is an easy example of it being so time intensive.
It was the incursion reps and wild offerings for me on my alt.. I still have one completely up to date alt... but for more than 2 toons it killed it for me.
I feel like there is a combination of problems. SoD P3 was a drop in the player base and they increased the number of people required for raiding. This 2 problems combined make each other worse. More people quitting -> harder to get raiders + you need 20 players -> less raiding -> the people that do raid are the "HC" players/raiders = a big mess.
I agree it was easier to find raids when people weren't locked down to a raid instance once a week. It was also a massive L for them to change the raid size when they knew cataclysm was coming out.
@@simonramos5553 I don't mind the time thing. I mind the fact that most people don't have that time in one sitting and a most of the current raiding culture is "do it in one sitting"
i will be a 100% back if 40 mans are coming next phase f 10 mans, those who ask for it can go play dungeons instead cuz thats exactly what it feels like during BFD and gnome, ST was a massive step up in raiding fun for me
Fuck. that. noise. I remember when the game was like that and we whiped for weeks on twin emperors because some lobotomite warrior kept aggroing the neutral beetles with demo shout and those promptly enrages and started killing our healers. It didnt show on recount and there were no detailed logs at the time. No. The very notion that peace love and friendship through obfuscation of mistakes of would improve the experience for anyone but the worst fuckups is arbitrary at best and better described as completely mental.
I think MOP remix is very telling, Cata will be the end of classic re release journey at the end players will be offered to transfer to retail. They will wrap up SOD around same time. And announce / release official Classic +
40m raiding will not be a thing, it's already confirmed. BUT if it was, yes the game would completly die out.. ST recruitment in LFG is active only during 3-4 peak time hours.. if u can't play at those peak time hours u can't raid. With BFD and gnomer u could raid 24/7. 20man raids are a big mistake... 40man raids will be suicidal..
@Cipher8721 were only picky for the first 10-15 minutes, then we just take anyone that isn't a grey parser, almost no one is lfg for raids on Wild Growth it seems
20man raids is literally the big reason that SOD suffers. 10man raids were amazing.... BFD and gnome raiding was active 24/7. Now LFG raiding in chat for ST is active only for 3-4 hours peak time... if you want to raid , you gotta raid peak time... otherwise you just quit the game.. lol Organising a 20man is also a big chore... I knew from the start that 20man raiding will fuck sod UP.
the moment they announced 7 days lockouts with 20 man raids i instantly knew it was going to make a massive drop in the playerbase. P1 of sod was the most hype wow has been since 2019 but they ruined it by listening to reddit youtube and forums, the places where only the hardcore players are and none of the real core playerbase who actually keep the game alive
LMAO "when it comes to season of discovery we just have to stay a little bit patient here, trust the develepors are listening to us LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN throughout SoDs lifetime-" Brother. what game are you playing? lmaooooo theres been no listening since phase 1. this "experiment" has been one of the most sour tasting things blizzard has ever done, how many things need attention? for months now? they dropped phase 3 with incursions and literally took a 4 day break on launch. go check the tweets lmao. youre farming for blizzard shills here or something brother this is just disingenuous
Drama queen… it isn’t that bad. The phases have been aight but as the time goes on it has been getting a bit repetitive. Stop acting like this was a complete failure because the statistics say otherwise.
I think you live in a bubble of your own opinions mirrored to you by your fanbase. There are multiple things that made me think this, but my chief concern is you advocating for 10 man raids... in Classic. Yes, guilds die when going from 10 man to 20 man, or 20 man to 40 man. That's how it works. That's how it's always worked. If everyone is in 10 man guilds then some guilds have to die so that others can grow. Merging guilds is a necessity, and not necessarily a bad one. People just need to adjust. Just because you only hear the people who're whining doesn't mean that everyone is whining, lol. Some raids in Classic simply wouldn't work as a 20 man raid, let alone a 10 man raid. It would leave too much space to avoid mechanics and stuff like that. Imagine the Class Call mechanic on Nefarian if you only have 10 people in the raid. It would be an absolute joke. People gotta toughen up and stop being socially anxious or lazy and just merge your god damn guilds and make some new friends, you will grow to like the new additions to your guild just like you grew to like your first members. And yes, it is harder to manage a 20 man raid guild or a 40 man guild. Guild leaders will actually have to put in some work, and guild members will have to obey stricter guild rules so that people's time are respected. That's the nature of Classic WoW, and it's what leads to those interactions that we've missed from retail WoW. If you don't like it then stop playing MMOs, this is what it's all about.
for me its the PVP balancing why im quitting : ally quitting becuase shamans is overpowered and Mages being 100% unplayable in PVP and this dmg reduction making them even worse becuase our damage per mana ratio is so bad compare to everybody else and before this aura it was already bad and all has huge burst instant cast stuff or dots while we mages need to stand still for 2.5 sec. for a cast sure we have CCs but alot of our CCs feel pointless by the time we casted and hit our CC we are already under 20% life and need to use the time to heal up again and they can effortless kill us after i agree with we need this dmg reduction but there need to be more balancing than now all player take less dmg from all players mainly with the mana usage on mages
Grinds for runes are not that bad at all. Grind for Rep is hard as hell. Everyone who sais grind for runes is too hard, so they dont play Twinks are Retail Sissys ! 5:57 - Love : Raid and new Content. Hate: Raidlogging - nothing to do WTF is wrong? If you dont have anything else to do, get a twink ready. Nightmare Incursions are a great way to level, you get Exp and Gold and you can level at least gathering Professions alswell. There are so many Quests in just one freaking small Area, thats great. And last point, 20 Man Raids killed your guild? What would have happend if MC would come as 40 man raid? EVERYONE knew that Raids WILL be bigger, but as i said before, most of this whiny snowflakes are Retail "Heroes" who cant stand with this. I really wonder when you will make promotions for the Dungeon Finder. This community whine is just stupid.
I came over to SOD because I'm what most would consider a casual Andy. I'm married with 2 kids, obviously work a full time job, and coach 4 baseball/softball teams. What I loved about SOD was I could just pick up and play when I had free time, and just wanted to unwind for a few. It "was" easy to find pugs for P1 and 2 to complete the raid lockout in 30 to 45 minutes. It was great. You felt accomplished without having had to invest hours of farming, wiping, etc.. P3 complete killed that feeling for me and now it feels like a chore to get you runes and gear. Hell I haven't even been to the new raid because I can't commit to specific raid times, and on my server you never see pugs. Again this is just my experience and I'm sure there are a bunch of people out there who love the current state of SOD
my 20m SoD raid guild is likely quitting this week, many of us have been together since classic launch a few years ago, its bit of a bummer. i was really hopeful for something special out of SoD, and i think in P1 we did have that despite the issues there were, it was bearable, but at this point its just not and my faith is gone. the messy content releases and their management coupled with min/max culture establishing such a strong influence in the community has just destroyed the thought of staying for me personally. 2004-2009 WoW was an amazing experience, but the world has changed, and unfortunately there's just no recreating it.
When you interviewed Agrand, I remember him saying that they had to be careful with changes, so they didn't do retail minus instead of classic +, and here we are. Sadly, SoD has turned into a Dollar Tree version Retail.
On the contrary, the 20-man raid made our guild stronger and united, as now almost all guild member can now join the raid together. No one is being left out anymore. Cheers!
Classic Rot brains, destroying SoD this is a seasonal server and people should be having fun and trying new things instead of trying to min-max everything and gate keeping. Looking forward for MoP Remix tho.
@@Skullrayge it’s also classic Andy’s . I’m in a parse guild and we are chill but my guild does want to be the best possible and get server first clears and shit. It’s kinda like; why? One of my guild members did a several paragraph write up analysis of how to kill st bosses even faster. It’s like dude we are already crushing in less than 30’seconds?
Min max will be there in mop remix. The irony of the entire wow community is hilarious to me. You guys will forever be upset over the completely wrong thing. It's the development thats the issue not the community. Your a product of what they build not the other way around.
@@Petemossfunguy that’s the only way to get challenge out of the game without making the raids balls hard for the 10 guilds that’ll actually clear it. Tbh if you don’t like it, why are you still in the guild? The shit’s run tight. That’s why. At the very least, you’re not feeling like other people are wasting your time. It might take you 10 hours to clear the raid in 30minutes, but you’re still there because you can’t stand mfs showing up to raid 30 minutes late every week to wipe for 2 hours.
Simple solution to the raid size problem. Make all raids 10 and 20m. The 10m drops loot at normal rate and 20m drops loot at 3x the rate. This way, the incentive to do 20m is the gear is 3x the amount not 2x so people who want to gear up much faster would do so in bigger raid size whereas everyone can still do the content in 10m.
@@naturalyamazing Yes and no. The min-maxers will absolutely default to 20m but this still allows all of the 10m folk the opportunity to do the content as a 10m, albeit they'll gear up slower by comparison. If they insist on going to 40m they can even up the gear maybe to 4x if necessary to "motivate" raiders to the larger raid size while still keeping 10m guilds alive. My guild died as a result of p3 with the swap to 20m. I think I could bring them back if 10m were still viable.
ST should have been a 15-man. But I can't blame the devs when most people were OK hearing it would be 20-man when announced. For the end game raids, I just can't imagine there not being 20-man raids at all, though 40 might be pushing it. There should be smaller raids as well though
Runes don’t take forever to get. Yesterday I went from 40-50 in a couple hours. It’s not as bad as you think. The 100% buff is amazing. This is coming from a guy whole absolutely hates leveling
why do people continue to shill the "for the casual" "casual accessible" mindset. dammit dude. wow was never popular the more casual it became. it DECLINED THE MORE CASUAL IT BECAME. the grind/effort/achievement with largeR groups and the openness of the world is what made the game appealing back in 2004-2008 when it was booming and a world wide phenom. the "less minmax nature" back then is a copout. 2019 classic was huge. it makes people WANT TO PLAY. when its easy and accessible, why bother playing???? yes this is a 'SEASON' but why is everything suddenly season and fast tracked? then scratch head why game is BLEEDING PLAYERS when you continue to make it more "accessible". JUST MAKE A DAMN GOOD GAME WHO CARES IF ITS CASUAL FRIENDLY FUCK ME
yep the more casualized this game becomes the more im turned off. there simply is no value of bein sweaty in this game when everything gets tuned down and get easier to level / buy mounts etc.
the reason 20 man raids "killed" a bunch of guilds is because blizzard did the omegabrain move of not introducing 20 man sized raids until phase 3. so everyone got together and formed their little cliques for 2 phases, and now that they have to merge with other raid rosters nobody wants to budge because like yeah i'm not giving up my status as raid leader/loot master/guild master/officer, you go ahead and give that up and join us... no you join us... no you (get the idea?). if 20 man raids had been introduced from phase 1, this would never have been a problem because the initial cliques being formed would have naturally been accommodating 20 man sized raid rosters. i warned repeatedly that this exact thing would happen, and i was just shut down with downvotes every time i dared mention it.
I was all for 20 man raids! Although we did have to combine 2 guilds to make one. Not a big deal. Hasn't been a problem getting 19-20 solid players. 10 man "raids" seem more like just a large party to me and not like a raid. Of course, I've been playing wow since original vanilla and back then we always had 40+ players that never missed a raid.
That's the problem. The casuals need to go because the are the ones that never shows up and compaining the hardest and the game is revolving around them and we get a crap game because of that.
Paladins' exorcism rune is a perfect example of terrible design. 3 other runes are required to make a basic attack functional and removes the ability to run anything else. SoD is great on paper with horrible execution.
Rep from Tabards for running dungeons would be nice. Was able to do incursions the first week and a half on my main. But once everyone got to 50 its impossible to do them with alts because we just get farmed by raids of 50s standing on steps, I couldn't do one round of quests without dying over and over then having a rez timer so I just don't do them at all now. Having guards on the steps and a level cap to get into the lower level incursions would be a step in the right direction I'd think. Haven't touched incursions since week 2 of phase 3.
Heroic dungeons is one of those things. You think you want them but you don’t. People will do them for two weeks and never go back. And the same thing that happens with raids will happen with heroic dungeons. Gear score achievement parse linking. Because people don’t want to be punished for failing…
yeah heroic dungeons in vanilla is a bad idea, this guy just plays in a small guild that cant get 20 people together to do raids so he wants harder 5 man content
One of the things kinda taking the wind out of many peoples sails is the very flatt item progression curve. There is barely an increase from the gnomer gear, so Ive had plenty of mates go "meh, not gonna do this or that or whatnot activity the item is locked behind for an increase of 2 main stat or 3 spellpower, if even that.". I mean, I understand why they flattened the item power progression curve and it totaly makes sense. But at the same time I think they VASTLY underestimated the importance of noticeable (!) player power upgrades through itemization to the classic/sod community.
So you want all the classes to be balanced yet you want to nerf classes that are strong in PVP, but aren’t even top-five in DPS for raids. This is the issue right here is when you take classes and specs that are strong and PVE and others in PVP and scream for everyone to lose their class identity. Some classes are supposed to be stronger than others. Some classes are better healers than others. Some classes are better at PVP than others, so why do you keep crying about more balance?
the people who left wont come back for p4 imo. a guild ending is an emotional experience, and to restart and find a new guild just seems like too much effort. nice corepunk shoutout, it could be a good holdover until another big mmo comes out
Honestly, if they made rep account wide, that’d be huge. It’s only gonna be around for like another year. And most of us have already done classic. When they drop the full server with no expiration date, full grinds? Sure.
Yes, I agree. No exp boosts and rep boosts but account wide shared rep so you still feel the same sense of achievement on your character when you have done the huge WSG exalted grind done. Now they made it so easy for everyone that me and others that farmed it the "old way" feel like we wasted our time because now you can do it 100x faster. it's important that you stand out when you invest alot of time in a character in an MMORPG. They are taking that feeling away by making shit easier.
Having another way to get runes faster is not what we need. Yeah , it sucks having to do a lot of the quests and traveling again, but if people are complaining on things to do. That gives them something to do. A lot of people who complain about not having anything to do should take a break or consider trying other content they don't usually do in game. Gold farm, professions, pvp, pve, rep grinds, p4 prep, ect. These suggestions just not be what you want to do, but there are things to do and you may need to step away from you comfort zone. I know Blizzard wants feedback, but at this rate if Classic + ever does get released, I hate to see it get ruined by all the cry babies out there.
A man with logic. I appreciate this comment so much. All the cry babies are gonna ruin the ONE chance we have at classic+. Cheers man im with you. Hopefully this vocal minority shuts the ff up. lol peace and love
Pretty sure that sod is gonna be a funnel to get people to play retail. I agree with u tho some people need to find other things to get into sometimes just to take a break we all love the grind but a break is good sometimes
If you're saying your guild is dead because of 20 man raids then your guild was dead before, what are you guys wanting 10 man MC and BWL in the final phase. Should have been prepping two 10man groups in last phase just like you should be prepping two 20man raid groups this phase. Sounds like just casuals complaining.
this is what my guild is trying to do but the more casual 20 man has completely fell apart and now theyre just stopping raiding for the rest of the phase and even the hardcore parse 20 man usually has to pug 1-2 spots a week usually. Why even try to force this shit we had it fine with 10 mans, wow was the most hype it had been since 2019 and forcing mergers and things like this just put massive dents in the player base, people clearly loved the 10 man meta. 20 mans and 7 day lockouts have pretty much killed all the hype sod had and now it feels totally dead for cataclysm which is just insane. Back in p1 and p2 I never would have guessed sod would lose all its players to cata cuz sod was peak wow but here we are
@@Yams42279 I'm sure there will be 10 mans but people will get sensitive about the gear not being as good as the 40 mans or 20 mans whatever is chosen.
Why does it always go to heroic dungons and raids. If you add heroic, that will become the meta. If you want heroic dungons, go play retail. Most people who are playing classic and SOD are adults with families. We want to come on, have a very mild challenge, and collect our loot.
Got three takes on this 1. The problems with runes are they make some specs unplayable, like frostmage or 2h enhancement. You just cant play a spec doing 50% less dmg 2.The solution for incursions would be, remove rng from quest, remove gathering quest. And make it so you have to do all 15 quest to reset it. So the braindead pickup runs wont work. 3. The 20man raids and difficulty of them, like brd any time of day you hade time to play there was a pug going more or less. ST the pugs you see is "St at 21:00 need x" Bonus. Worldbuffs needs to go. Shouldent work in raids. They are a chore to get, they affect things to much like pharses, and pharses are affecting if you can join or not becuase of the incresed setup time for a raid
I play 2h enh and yeah I do like 200dps less than the dw enh shams in the guild a big part is having to use my maelstrom on lava burst and basically losing an ability
@@DarkKniteZ Yeah i know many ppl like them. But they make the game worse. Because you are more or less forced to get them. Most guilds have them as a req and all pugs. And you need them to phars good, and you need good logs for pugs
@@tyhyhh yeah i have more or less bis gear on my shaman. And chaning to blue dual weapons gives about 400dps more on most fights. Everything scales better with dual. Like procs, maelstorm building and so on. I wanna play 2h, but its just not working
Idk I run frost mage Winters Chill spec and keep up or do better than the 2 fire mages in my raid most fights. My frost damage set has more spell power than my fire damage set.
@@Hennesg lol you say that but 20s have killed the game. perhaps the bigger raid crowd is the real vocal minority . To me that seems obvious at this point, look at the state of the game right now. The first 2 phases were so so so much better than this one.
@@Yams42279 Coundt be because of Cata Prepatch, Rewards in ST being too minor, ST going from too hard to a snoozefest and P3 being void of much content while Incursions invalidated all other content? Nah it can only be 20 man
theres other things yeah but the 20s are the biggest one imo, it has killed hundreds of guilds, yes some can adapt to it but it has caused a massive dropoff no matter what. Cata isnt even classic but SOD is losing most of its classic players to it which to me just indicates a massive failure. 2 months ago i would have predicted cata to be DOA and most ppl just stay in SOD cuz it was just the best wow has been since 2019 and now theyve totally killed it and ppl are playing cataclysm over classic wow. p3 doesnt have less content than previous so that point means nothing but i agree ppl def quit over the raid stuff too
@@Yams42279 no they arent. ST has just no incentive, since except set that everyone has by now offers just 1-2 BIS items for each class, which was different in P1 and P2. And to say p3 is worse then 1 and 2 is also just whataboutism since raiding data from ironforge pro show different results, if u scale the 3day lockout from p1 and p2 up to 1 week lockout now. And not 20 man killed guilds, but Bosses with more then one „mechanic“
Maybe I'm the weird one - but I liked incursions, and I'm loving 20man as does most of my guild. Looking forward to 40mans as well. Also with the Ashenvale pvp event I did it almost every week, I've barely touched STV aside from the first few times for the "new factor" early on, got old quickly imo. I'll also be trying the MoP remix - just wish I could have joined it with an alt char thats low level instead of having to make a new :P
Where's the actual poll about everyone hating 20 mans? From my perspective everyone loves it and is looking forward o 40 mans? You can't make your own opinion sound like the "majority" because it's probably not.
ST loot is not very good for rogues at least, which makes it feel very non-meaningful to run. Also far too many BiS items are mega-expensive BoEs (whilst Blizz tries to fight RMT, and which I don't have since I don't RMT). Helm - crafted Neck - ST item only 2ap more than Gnomer quest reward Shoulders - Crafted Back - ST item only 1 agi over BRD cloak Chest - token Wrist - crafted by engi (WSG bracers 2nd BiS) Hands - quest reward Waist - from BRD arena Legs - token Feet - token Rings - WO ring and Mara princess ring (ST quest literally just + sta vs. Mara ring, already at +6% spell hit even with Mara ring) Trinkets - BOE plagues, BOE dunes (got a credit card?), I'm running incursion trinket for snapshot, WO trink, or pearl (don't have Gnomer trink) on fights with lots of swaps... trinket off Hakkar is straight trash, especially since they patched out popping and swapping pre-pull MH - ST Dire Nail (running 2nd BiS BM weapon now) OH - ST Dire Nail (HaT), BOE Julie's Dagger (CP, FA) Ranged - BOE Precisely calibrated broomstick So ST (even ignoring the amount of money I spend on consumes), aside from daggers (MH OH since I'll run HaT), can potentially for all other pieces outside of tier tokens (already got) give a rogue that's done their other stuff +1 agi (cloak) and +2 AP (neck). A whole raid and only a single item I can use basically, being the weapon off Eranikus that we haven't seen. It would actually make more sense to skip raids and save the money I spend on consumes to save for cards for the darkmoon decks, which is pretty sad considering that means effectively that "the best way to upgrade your DPS at this point is to skip raiding." Phase 2 MH and OH BiS were also BoE for rogue >_> Phase 1 rolled BOE OH green was also within 1 DPS of raid OH ... if we could stop getting BOE as BiS, that would be great...
Would love to see 40 man raids in super easy mode (zug zug pugs / maybe even with automatic raid finder) and 10 man in heroic mode (guild runs). You would serve both, the casuals who just want to experience the raids, the bosses and be part of a big group for an epic adventure without studying mechanics beforehand, and the hard core players in 10 man for the challenge, the parsing and the chance of much higher (maybe even better) loot drops.
Regarding runes I think they went a bit too far. The rune system works the best to make underperforming classes more viable eg. dps shamans, ret palas, boomies. I don't think locks or rogues need to able to tank, mages with healing is kinda nice, but why why melee hunters? I want to still recognize the original class designs, but make all classes viable to play in a group/raid.
my biggest complaint by far, about phase 3 is the incursions. those have to be deleted. their existence invalidates all other content. when you do things that are not related to incursions, there's the thought gnawing at the back of your mind going "you could make more [stuff] if you went and did incursions instead" feels awful to do world content right now, because every quest you complete your reference point will be "yeah but if i was spamming incursions i could have 5 times the amount of gold/exp i got from this quest... oh, and rep which = free prebis" like bro, i get that we have to cater to casual joe, but this is just downright too extreme. incursions have to go, they are killing the game. every day that goes by the problem gets worse. i heard you say in the video that the rewards are not worth it? uhm, the problem specifically is that it is in fact too rewarding. running on a hamsterwheel (which isn't fun for anyone despite how efficient it is) for 6 hours to get everything handed to you is BAD for the health of the game. the sole reason people are doing them is for the rewards, nobody actually enjoys them. they make for absolutely solid pvp content though. nothing warms my soul more than knowing i am stopping some robot from generating undeserved profits. btw. essence of fire right now is 50g on living flame EU. can we please get phase 4 so i can afford my god damn enchants without sacrificing my firstborn to the chaos gods? thanks ;)
if frost mage become a thing, they need to tone down the ungodly amount of roots everywhere. i swear trinket/decoy totem and FAPS are now 100% mandatory for pvp... can we like, move our characters more than 2 feet every 10 seconds pls? is that too much to ask? like even without frost mages in the mix its horrendous, but add frost mage and it just becomes a root meta which nobody except casters and hunters would want.
I just don't get it i like the reputation account wide idea but cant fill your 20 man raid, you don't wanna grind for runes, every raid should be 10 man, I wanna be able to play every alt, I don't wanna level etc etc ...like i get its seasonal but we have this game for a while even if it is seasonal the casual takes are awful its still a mmo guys holy smokes god forbid you have to grind or you cant fill your 20 man roster with all orange parsers perfect comps(blame leadership). I totally think there is some bad things they need to change for example incursions was terrible idea but there's so much down time in the game if you don't have time to grind maybe wow isn't the game for you lol?!? Go play animal crossing
@@chris-qw4ih I did, and it was garbage. It shows in stats now how bad even going above 20 man will be. 40 man would kill the game. Hell I didnt play SoM and I bet it was a major reason
Regarding Ancestral Guidance. its really useful in 1v1 pvp. due to counterspell only silences a school, you can easily get a silence on lava burst and then pop AG + spam healing. killing a mage same goes with a warr or rogue.
Solutions not Complaints; >Raids now SCALE WITH THE AMOUNT OF RAIDERS IN THE RAID. Minimum of 10 players; you will now be able to bring any number of players 10-40 to any raid. Loot and the bosses health will scale for each person you bring. >Incursions are TURNED OFF; NO EXPERIENCE, NO GOLD, NO LEVEL 60 GEAR. If you want to do Incursions there is literally nothing their except rep, and a lvl 50 set. >Dungeons will now have 3 selectable difficulties; Normal, Heroic, Heroic+. With each new phase after phase 4, a new dungeon difficulty will be added(Heroic Alpha, Beta, Gamma). >Reputation will now be ACCOUNT-WIDE, AND ACHIEVEMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDED. Achievements will be ACCOUNT-WIDE progression that will award new mounts, and more titles. >[GOLD SINK] Transmogrification has been added, BUT it is EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. With certain pieces of gear being OVER 100g to transmog, it will allow players with too much gold to show the community how rich they are. At the same time, building something for players with less money to shoot towards. #DesignerCloths >COMBAT LOGS for Season of Discovery HAVE BEEN DISABLED. You are no longer permitted to under Blizzard ToS to combat log inside the Season of Discovery server. Just like GDKP's, combat logs are BANNED! >PHASE 5 REBALANCE OF RUNES. Phase 4 will release the last set of runes for now... Phase 5 will rebalance all the runes in the entire game, and fix the under-performing runes that need love. >Guild Banks, NEW PVP EVENTS WITH EACH NEW PHASE, New Dungeons that accompany raids released WITH EACH NEW PHASE. New Dungeon Difficulty's/Raid Difficulty's as we get closer to the END OF SOD, New cool looking armor for Transmog. Their is so much that the Blizzard team needs to focus on to make sure their main player base doesn't just up and leave again. If the Dev team keeps their sights set on Major changes, and class balancing then SoD will be the best version of WoW to play.
my opinion here. but locking mental dexterity behind enhancement was a mistake, it literally took away the potential of playing a 2h ele shaman. them saying "we did not intend elemental to be using mental dexterity" is a terrible explanation. wasnt the idea of season of discovery to mix and match? to build these crazy ideas?
Honestly there’s no need to make videos if there’s nothing to talk about, this whole video is fluff and clickbait. This channel is becoming more and more like the 24 hour news cycle, BLIZZARD DOING BIG THINGS….20 minutes of literally nothing lol.
Nerf literally everything. As a returning player without raid gear, it takes me 30 seconds to kill a single mob in my 40's with quest/dungeon gear. Because I have 2.5k health but the mobs I am fighting have 4-5k health. Why do mobs my level (or even lower) have twice as much health as I do? That's your first clue that things are amiss. Here's your second clue... If you have to test a 50% resilience buff just to make PVP work, your game is broken. People should not be doing 1k dps at level 50. It makes no friggin sense and is way way too removed from OG classic. Everything about this runaway power spike train is the problem with SOD and modern WoW in general. Do not bring that to classic. It's a mistake.
The problem wasnt 20man in of itself. The problem was the difficulty. You simply CANNOT "throw together" a quick pug for ST and do a quick clear like you could with ZG in classic. With ST being as difficult as it is you get the following problem: 1. Raid hosts will only bring parses with proven gear, skill, and high parse numbers. 2. Pumper players will be very selective because noone wants to join a raid that might not clear, essentially wasting your ID for the week. 3. This creates as negativity-loop as majority of players arent parsers and will thus be barred entry to the raid. 4. The majority of players starts to leave the game because of the above
Don’t forget 20man raids kinda eliminated the problem with specific classes couldnt get a spot in the raid. It feels good that the raid is easier to fill with all the classes for buffs.
Thought I was gonna dive into Cata Classic... Meh. Retail... Meh. TBH I'm thinking I'll just finish up SoD. And unless they do something to catch my eye. I might be over WoW. SoD was at it's best in P1 because it was still Classic with a twist. Blizz would be best to remember that it's built on the classic foundation.
I enjoy PvP, so since that was messed up i have zero to do. To me the PvP aura ruined my class and made it unplayable. I was still getting hit for 1,600 - 2,200 from single attacks, but I cannot seem to hit over 800 damage now. All the damage over time spells are worthless, and a ton of other issues. Then waiting in 45 min queue for BG, and there isn’t many people doing world pvp.
You think gate keeping and log checking is bad now, think how bad it will be with a 10 man MC/BWL/AQ/NAXX. These raids will get progressively harder and if your class is underperforming, you're not getting an invite. There will be 0 reason to invite a rogue and I'm sure other classes/specs will have issues.
ppl are having problems with filling 20m raid grps?? My Guild now has 2 20m grps going with only 3 alts crossed.... took me 1 week to find 12 ppl to fill the slots and just picked up another 4-5 this week. Not very hard to do just need to advertise the raid time and when u need to pug its best to just grab whatever is in LFG instead of min maxing.... some ppl just dont seem to understand it but I picked up 3 Spriests so I could drop a Healer for my Grp even tho Spriests have/had lower DPS than avg IDC bc the utility they bring is better than the DPS Stop being lazy/picky and recruit is the honest answer. If ppl stop being parse prosti's and just focus more on filling the Raid with consistent ppl that show up for the raid every week then raid times will drop from Puggin a 2hr raid to 20 consistent maybe not ideal comp but consistent to be 1hr raids
When you said Warlock runes. Felguard rune is only good if you go full demonology. Even with that tanks don’t have felguard out. If you sacrifice him it’s a better upside. As destruction/affliction it’s better to run the fire aura. Or unstable affliction. Currently best talents are 17/3/21 which is cool but it’s just casting shadowbolts for damage. Even with the backdraft rune if you want full shadow. It’s only great to get shadowbolts casts faster. Destruction fully currently isn’t performing well. Next phase warlocks will be in fact going into affliction for the shadow damage then the rest the points to get ruin. I would enjoy a nice felguard bonus to fire damage too. If you sacrifice them. Or just improve the felguard
Why can't you see the perspective that allowing you to lvl up VERY quickly with xp buff AND incursions IS enough to help players play alts? This more than makes up for the time theyxd spend on getting runes one lvl capped....
SoD thoughts: It would be really cool if they just created an item that is BoA and granted xp up to the bottom of the current level bracket. Something you can send to a fresh alt, click it and start participating in the current phase content. Catch up mechanic, plain and simple. Imagine having to go play through seasons 1-3 of Diablo 4, before you can get to Season 4 content. It's not exactly apples to apples, but it gets the point across. Incursions are a perfect example, how many people said "no thank you fast xp, I want to my leveling journey to be longer" I'd bet that the majority of SoD enjoyers want nothing to do with raids above 10man. No 20, absolutely not 40. It sounds fun on paper, but it just ends up requiring a ton of work outside of the game, managing rosters and schedules. Playing "fill the roster" on discord instead of playing or even just being logged into the game you pay a sub for, can quickly turn into "i'll go check something else out." It's a solid business strategy for turning promoters into detractors.
I started WoW with SoD (Rogue, Lone Wolf EU), really loved the first two phases, but I’m lost this one. Missed the first week when everyone abused incursions and farmed unlimited gold + all my mates and guildies kinda left (+ i never kinda enjoyed playing with the guild, since some of the guys were really close, but not us lol) + all my BiS comes from the raid which I have no one to do with and dont have the time, so yea, I quit this phase, but kinda want to play at the same time.. I log in, do a few steps and log out.. BTW as a newcomer I was really interested in PvP and kinda enjoyed it tbh.
At this point FUCK SOD. All this classic + rhetoric with which they promised old world content to be "finished" and "expanded". None of that happened like at all. I will not count quest here and there. This is a lazy project where some quality of life changes and spells from later expansions are added. In SOD I discovered that WoW is dead, has been long dead and will never recover. This aint classic + this is retail -
Why do I feel like this is the retail community?? “Most people”is such a dramatic statement.. 40 mans are the mountain that the valley will never be. This is why vanilla Andy’s don’t like retail. I think as a seasonal realm sure let’s try stuff. But 10am raids is not it. That’s a glorified dungeon in my opinion and doesn’t take the coordination that I’m looking for in wow raiding, don’t get me wrong I like 10m content but I personally want all 3. 10s 20s and of course 40s. I don’t know where this voice of we don’t want 40 mans came from?? Again I feel like this is a retail player statement. Listen I play both but we have to agree there needs to be a a certain amount of “retail stuff” that needed to come to “vanilla”. But we can’t go too far before all the classic players quit and then the retail players will quit because they are looking for a world that actually has immersion (retail world feels not good ) and then what? We’re back at nothing? I don’t know I think it’s a slippery slope. At the end of the day blizzard is a business and they will look at the data for one overall purpose. To make money. So if they see a dramatic fall off in the player base they might rethink “classic+”. I don’t know I’m just a random dude that played wow for the last 20 years, it’s not like I’ve seen the rise and fall of wow. Good luck to all and much love to all ❤
i think 10man is what killed raiding.if the goal was 40man frumt he start would be fine. 10 man is pug shit. was ubrs a raid? HELL NO people act like classic is't the game that survived 20 years in private servers. 40 mans on a private server was possible! you guys are asking for LFG pug shit. classic players are going back. retail player whant more pug.
Big disagree. Low man raids dying is good because they are bad to begin with. Guilds are better with 40m raids. I find nightmare incursion the most enjoyable way to farm gold personally, so I like the incursions. Im not a big alt guy, beyond having for just farming or profession crafting. Forget arenas, this is a pve game, not an instanced pvp game. The world pvp events created have been great imo. FYI, I also play classic era and raid weekly.
Season of discovery? Adding heroics is not discovery. They need to make classic till 60.... Then add more content after that. This is what we all want. All the old boys want is a continuation of the WORLD of warcrafts story from 60... Not a continuation of our super heroic commander god killer characters story. That is what retail is for.
Making Battle and Guardian Elixirs so you don't have to get f.ex. arcane elixir for warrior parses, so many consumes.. Or if that's too much, limit it to two of each. Also for the love of god, do not bring us on a 24/7 world buff journey to get them all - give us raid a specific world buff, dmf and songflower is more than enough.
The 20-man raids are the first real raids. The problem was that we played the lousy 10-man raids for so long that 10 groups made their own guild instead of joining a proper raiding guild. My guild planned for 40-mans all along and, to be fair, is struggling right now to get two 20-man raids going. I myself thought that these stopping points would be good for the game, but it's actually really crappy. It should have been level 60 immediately and then maybe lock out raids for a month instead, giving us ample time to level up and to grind out dungeons. And the hardcore people/streamers would have time to level several characters and deck them out.
Horn of Lordeaden is absolutely trash and it shouldn't be. It should stack with might or rework it completely so it gives attack power and spell power. The fact that they haven't fixed or changed this rune scares the hell out of me. I don't think they care about SoD, which is fine, but I'll be playing other games once this amazing attempt to bring me back to warcraft dies off... war within looks good, but mythic plus scares me and ppl are not helpful at learning mythic pulls...
The pvp aura sucked, we do need something like that. That just wasn't it. Maybe something like 5% spell resistance, 20% stamina increase and 5% less healing. Thats something more along the lines of something that could work.
In an ideal world people would just choose a Class, have a good time, play what they think is fun... Unfortunately ever person on the game right now bar a small handful literally just go to google and /copy paste insert BIS OP 1 Shot ST build here, and they run that with little to no self discovery or attempt to try something else the class offers. I'm loving SoD I'm super excited for whats going to come along with whats out now. Wow is such an old game now, and it strains a lot of people to try and 'keep up' with a lot of things people are managing to achieve.
They are also splitting the community 4 ways between SoD, Cata, Panda, and Retail. I do agree the 10 man raid is a nice sweetspot. Even being able to fill 20 mans with my guild it brought two 10 man raid teams together. 20 people in a chat channel also ive noticed a few of my friends muting their mics for the 20 man raid vs when it was just 10 of us hanging out. Plus more ways of classic "drama" to pop up of how loot is handed out/someone not carrying their weight really is annoying with 20 man. And the once a week reset you lose people to some just raid logging or is a nightmare trying to pug someone unsaved say later saturday night raid. And lastly with so many big amazing dungeons at the next phase lean heavily into making dungeons worth it as well as the best way to level/gear at 60.
I understand that people want to play alts. However, I don't > I don't want to have my main toon pre-raid experience nullified due to stupid catch up mechanics like incursions, wild offerings and an XP buff. I still want to experience the dungeons and leveling experience partly so I've still got something to do for 8 weeks. It's supposed to be classic + not classic -
I think it's kinda funny that we are complaining about the 20 mans, but aside from MC (which they confirmed to be 20 man) it sounds like they are wanting to go into 40 man for future raids. Me personally am in the same boat as everyone else. I prefer 10 man content, but I just don't see them giving up on 40 mans.
This phase will be longer, ppl will cry alot, but in 60 phase the game will just explode...ppl will rejoin, guilds will reform etc. 100% if u got 5 alts 9 mil gold etc just take a break, touch some grass
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Re: ride kaiju. There is also a Ride Mech(Mek? Forgot how it's spelled) ability in the data. I would bet some new ungoro event or quest. Maybe pvp?
What do we know about the Lava Lash situation?
They lock us last Friday with free xfers butchering a very fun and friendly realm....
...then unlock Lava Lash again after the weekend. While xfers are still free to CS and WG.
Why would the devs fuck with us like that?
Blizzard is making moves and it’s bigger than we thought!
Video: there hasn’t been official news release lately…
😂
He click baiting us like we won’t leave for the next big thing
At first the channel was good, but lately its full of blizzard sponsered propaganda.
And crying about a healing spec being bottom dps don’t forget 😂
crying for heroic dungeons so his 5 man guild can do something
I mean he apparently hates incursion but a few weeks ago he was praising it so his opinions are kinda...
The vast majority of people calling for 20/40 man raids are not the ones organizing and leading them, reaching out to the same people every week making sure they’ll be there and trying to fill for them when they don’t show up. They’re not the ones recruiting and maintaining the roster. They’re not the ones having their time and efforts disrespected.
Amen
thats ur problem dude, look for better ppl
@@Muranight "That's your problem." You're right, I'm just another random dude on the internet trying to put a raid together. I'm making it my problem. That said, the game needs people like me to lead these raids. If people aren't willing to step up and deal with it, raids never happen. I can tell you of the 20 people in my raid, 19 of them will not step up and put in the level of effort that I have. 9 of those 19 people are people I have been playing with for the last 3-5 years, and I can tell you if I stop raid leading, they'll just quit playing. It's not just my problem. The less people you have leading, the less people you have raiding. The less people you have raiding, the faster the game dies. You sound like someone who has never tried to recruit or lead a raid. I've been doing it for the last 4 years.
10 mans aren't raids. They're glorified dungeons. My guild has no problem pugging a few people each week. The hardest part of raid leading in sod is having enough space in your bads for all the crafting mats and boss items so you don't have to roll loot until the end.
@@brandonwilson4740 Having to PUG every week kills morale even if the raids are easy. I've always maintained a roster. Having the same people each week means people aren't just leaving with the best items. Maybe if Blizz decided to make more than one set of weapons actually viable and not contested to the point where half the raid is after them, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. PUGs are also a mixed bag and you never know what you're going to get. Maybe 10 man raids aren't the answer, but neither is increasing to 40 man.
I'm an "altoholic" and phase 1 was really really easy to play multiple characters (not just because level cap was 25). now in phase 3 i cant bring myself to even log on my main anymore because if i dont keep up with gold farming i have no good consumables or personal effects that i like bringing to a raid environment. it feels like a chore now. just going to wait for kharazan crypts raid
I also really want kara crypts but I don't think it was ever officially confirmed
@@YumYumturtle-ck3uw it wasn't officially, no. but it was hard teased, and i will keep huffing my copium for that
Yeah it's hard to keep up with consume prices
Problem is you can't exactly just "wait for Kharazan crypts" when guilds and even pugs will be requiring gearscore and parses. You'll need parses from the previous raid tier at least plus more or less full gear.
@@idkidgaf I'm a 90+ avg I'm not worried about that. And if I wasn't I have a guild anyway
Its not because of Cataclysm its because they hyped up SoD and failed on promises. Making incursions give insane gold, xp (even after nerf) and rep...at 25 you can be friendly/honored before hitting level 50 which then you can instantly buy 6 pieces ready for ST...They did incursions so we dont spam dungeons which killed off most SM runs yet you get books from these old dungeons and priest needs pain supression from sm lib...Which is frustrating and Blizz contradicts themselvs as people are spamming mara for wild offerings and doing logout skip to spam it fast and ST is on a weekly lockout. You can also get 1k rep daily from incursions rep and pvp rep to point everyone can be exalted before 60 and classic relied on these factors for slow progression which means there is nothing to do except logon to do ST for an hour or two and logoff and all pops show now medium for both US and EU people will deny it but sod is dying fast. Also Aggrend stated the goal on hard content...He thinks players want easy casual and blast things so no we shouldnt have faith in devs...they let us down and pre patch cata is full of bugs which is same dev team as sod...No faith when they keep letting us down
Bro, 20 man raids DID NOT kill my guild but made them more fun. We like them. And we have 3X 20mans.
If we go back to 10 mans we would quit if that's all we get
Bro I gotta unsub this is annoying
The 20 man raid and people saying its hard to get groups together is because of the parse culture. The people saying that it is hard to get groups together, are looking for the best classes and specs, to play along with performance. And on top of that, they are looking for one or two specific classes and specs to boost there own damage, like, Feral or Balance druid. Over all this 20 man raid size being too large, is a player made issue, by everyone wanting to mid-max there dps.
There currently 187 people raiding Horde on Penance AU, we take anyone we can get. We weren't a large server in the first place but it's less than half the people raiding compared to Phase 2. 10 Man's are just easier to organise and give each player more agency.
I have never seen so many (but small) guilds in all of my 20yrs in wow. I think ytube raid guides causes alot of ppl to create guilds with a few friends cuz they think they have the info they need to clear the raid. Leading a guild takes alot more than that, its always been hard work and the smaller the guild is the harder that work is.
Phase 1 of sod was fun when it felt more like vanilla wow with twist. That was about it tho
yup the more fingerprints current year devs put in SoD in continues its journey to retail minus with a thin coat of classic paint.
Dude am I living in the freaking twilight zone??? You saying all SoD needs is some minor tweaking to specific spells like lava burst is the funniest thing I've heard this month!
SHAMAN ARE BROKEN. Like absolutely overclocked to an irresponsible extent. Truly I don't know where to start. They're extremely tanky, the dps specs can full heal themselves basically instantly, the passive utility/mitigation through totems is out of freaking control, and on top of that they're absolutely ripping shit. Like the damage needs to be cut in half. Each aspect on their own isn't crazy, but when they're all put together it's absurd man. If you get into an AB with 5 shaman it's over. There's not even any sense in playing. For the love of god nerf shaman.
Malestorm should not give instant heals. Without extreme critluck and bubble thers nothing i can do as ret to win.
Specially orcs that resist hoj and nades xD
I agree fk shamans to much utility for the damage they put out.
Thx 4 the honesty HelicopterHammy
If we only have 10 man raid that would ABSOLUTELY SUCK
20 man and 40 man raids are exactly what I want to see. It's the most fun ever. People are whiny babies. Incursions are great too. Leveled 5 toons to 50 and it was fantastic and super easy/fun. I enjoy grinding mobs. Incursions just makes it more lucrative.
@@drjjloveman I agree
@drjjloveman I'll bet money you don't organize any of those raids
I had like 5 Alts in p1, then 3 in p2, then just my main for p3….doing the dark riders chain over and over is an easy example of it being so time intensive.
It was the incursion reps and wild offerings for me on my alt.. I still have one completely up to date alt... but for more than 2 toons it killed it for me.
I feel like there is a combination of problems. SoD P3 was a drop in the player base and they increased the number of people required for raiding. This 2 problems combined make each other worse. More people quitting -> harder to get raiders + you need 20 players -> less raiding -> the people that do raid are the "HC" players/raiders = a big mess.
Wrong, the people that raid are in guilds
I agree it was easier to find raids when people weren't locked down to a raid instance once a week. It was also a massive L for them to change the raid size when they knew cataclysm was coming out.
Raising once a week is better otherwise your expected to raid double time in guild rosters
@@simonramos5553 I don't mind the time thing. I mind the fact that most people don't have that time in one sitting and a most of the current raiding culture is "do it in one sitting"
i will be a 100% back if 40 mans are coming next phase
f 10 mans, those who ask for it can go play dungeons instead cuz thats exactly what it feels like during BFD and gnome, ST was a massive step up in raiding fun for me
what we need is no external addons, no parsing! raid that every classic andy can complete!
Every classic Andy CAN complete these raids. Even grey parses are 8/8
Fuck. that. noise. I remember when the game was like that and we whiped for weeks on twin emperors because some lobotomite warrior kept aggroing the neutral beetles with demo shout and those promptly enrages and started killing our healers. It didnt show on recount and there were no detailed logs at the time. No. The very notion that peace love and friendship through obfuscation of mistakes of would improve the experience for anyone but the worst fuckups is arbitrary at best and better described as completely mental.
@@Rakschas666wish i’ve experienced this.. started WoW with SoD… left with this phase tbh :(
I think MOP remix is very telling, Cata will be the end of classic re release journey at the end players will be offered to transfer to retail. They will wrap up SOD around same time. And announce / release official Classic +
I doubt that cause the MoP remix is still with retail talents and not MoP talents.
If 20m raid killed a ''ton of guilds'', all guilds will die in p4 when 40m raid will be a thing 🤦
That’s just not true. But yeah a lot of the bad players will opt out. But 40man raids are so much better than any other iteration.
40m raiding will not be a thing, it's already confirmed.
BUT if it was, yes the game would completly die out.. ST recruitment in LFG is active only during 3-4 peak time hours..
if u can't play at those peak time hours u can't raid.
With BFD and gnomer u could raid 24/7.
20man raids are a big mistake... 40man raids will be suicidal..
There are guilds running multiple 20 man raids , and 40 man raids have been confirmed .
I literally laughed out loud at that. These people certainly didn’t play 2019 classic if 20 mans killed their guild lol
@@gabrielcesar2388 yeah that's what my joke was all about. Some people didn't get 2nd degree ..
20 man raids is the reason it takes my guild 1 hour to pug 4 people, just to have the raid done in 55 minutes
Lol 55min to pug 4 people...sure bud, stop being picky and stop praising logs
@Cipher8721 were only picky for the first 10-15 minutes, then we just take anyone that isn't a grey parser, almost no one is lfg for raids on Wild Growth it seems
Look for people before raid invites start so no one has to wait@@Aklamore
20man raids is literally the big reason that SOD suffers.
10man raids were amazing....
BFD and gnome raiding was active 24/7.
Now LFG raiding in chat for ST is active only for 3-4 hours peak time...
if you want to raid , you gotta raid peak time... otherwise you just quit the game.. lol
Organising a 20man is also a big chore...
I knew from the start that 20man raiding will fuck sod UP.
the moment they announced 7 days lockouts with 20 man raids i instantly knew it was going to make a massive drop in the playerbase. P1 of sod was the most hype wow has been since 2019 but they ruined it by listening to reddit youtube and forums, the places where only the hardcore players are and none of the real core playerbase who actually keep the game alive
Ancestral Guidance is mad for enhance pvp. fyi. no one uses it. Im surprised its left untouched. Hits for 1500+ dmg. Crits for 2.5k.
LMAO "when it comes to season of discovery we just have to stay a little bit patient here, trust the develepors are listening to us LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN throughout SoDs lifetime-" Brother. what game are you playing? lmaooooo theres been no listening since phase 1. this "experiment" has been one of the most sour tasting things blizzard has ever done, how many things need attention? for months now? they dropped phase 3 with incursions and literally took a 4 day break on launch. go check the tweets lmao. youre farming for blizzard shills here or something brother this is just disingenuous
Drama queen… it isn’t that bad. The phases have been aight but as the time goes on it has been getting a bit repetitive. Stop acting like this was a complete failure because the statistics say otherwise.
I think you live in a bubble of your own opinions mirrored to you by your fanbase. There are multiple things that made me think this, but my chief concern is you advocating for 10 man raids... in Classic. Yes, guilds die when going from 10 man to 20 man, or 20 man to 40 man. That's how it works. That's how it's always worked. If everyone is in 10 man guilds then some guilds have to die so that others can grow. Merging guilds is a necessity, and not necessarily a bad one. People just need to adjust. Just because you only hear the people who're whining doesn't mean that everyone is whining, lol.
Some raids in Classic simply wouldn't work as a 20 man raid, let alone a 10 man raid. It would leave too much space to avoid mechanics and stuff like that. Imagine the Class Call mechanic on Nefarian if you only have 10 people in the raid. It would be an absolute joke. People gotta toughen up and stop being socially anxious or lazy and just merge your god damn guilds and make some new friends, you will grow to like the new additions to your guild just like you grew to like your first members. And yes, it is harder to manage a 20 man raid guild or a 40 man guild. Guild leaders will actually have to put in some work, and guild members will have to obey stricter guild rules so that people's time are respected. That's the nature of Classic WoW, and it's what leads to those interactions that we've missed from retail WoW. If you don't like it then stop playing MMOs, this is what it's all about.
Having to server hop twice has really destroyed any effort i had beyond 1 toon.
for me its the PVP balancing why im quitting : ally quitting becuase shamans is overpowered and Mages being 100% unplayable in PVP and this dmg reduction making them even worse becuase our damage per mana ratio is so bad compare to everybody else and before this aura it was already bad and all has huge burst instant cast stuff or dots while we mages need to stand still for 2.5 sec. for a cast sure we have CCs but alot of our CCs feel pointless by the time we casted and hit our CC we are already under 20% life and need to use the time to heal up again and they can effortless kill us after
i agree with we need this dmg reduction but there need to be more balancing than now all player take less dmg from all players mainly with the mana usage on mages
Grinds for runes are not that bad at all.
Grind for Rep is hard as hell.
Everyone who sais grind for runes is too hard, so they dont play Twinks are Retail Sissys !
5:57 -
Love : Raid and new Content.
Hate: Raidlogging - nothing to do
WTF is wrong? If you dont have anything else to do, get a twink ready.
Nightmare Incursions are a great way to level, you get Exp and Gold and you can level at least gathering Professions alswell.
There are so many Quests in just one freaking small Area, thats great.
And last point, 20 Man Raids killed your guild?
What would have happend if MC would come as 40 man raid?
EVERYONE knew that Raids WILL be bigger, but as i said before, most of this whiny snowflakes are Retail "Heroes" who cant stand with this.
I really wonder when you will make promotions for the Dungeon Finder.
This community whine is just stupid.
I came over to SOD because I'm what most would consider a casual Andy. I'm married with 2 kids, obviously work a full time job, and coach 4 baseball/softball teams. What I loved about SOD was I could just pick up and play when I had free time, and just wanted to unwind for a few. It "was" easy to find pugs for P1 and 2 to complete the raid lockout in 30 to 45 minutes. It was great. You felt accomplished without having had to invest hours of farming, wiping, etc.. P3 complete killed that feeling for me and now it feels like a chore to get you runes and gear. Hell I haven't even been to the new raid because I can't commit to specific raid times, and on my server you never see pugs. Again this is just my experience and I'm sure there are a bunch of people out there who love the current state of SOD
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my 20m SoD raid guild is likely quitting this week, many of us have been together since classic launch a few years ago, its bit of a bummer. i was really hopeful for something special out of SoD, and i think in P1 we did have that despite the issues there were, it was bearable, but at this point its just not and my faith is gone. the messy content releases and their management coupled with min/max culture establishing such a strong influence in the community has just destroyed the thought of staying for me personally. 2004-2009 WoW was an amazing experience, but the world has changed, and unfortunately there's just no recreating it.
When you interviewed Agrand, I remember him saying that they had to be careful with changes, so they didn't do retail minus instead of classic +, and here we are. Sadly, SoD has turned into a Dollar Tree version Retail.
On the contrary, the 20-man raid made our guild stronger and united, as now almost all guild member can now join the raid together. No one is being left out anymore. Cheers!
Classic Rot brains, destroying SoD this is a seasonal server and people should be having fun and trying new things instead of trying to min-max everything and gate keeping. Looking forward for MoP Remix tho.
Idk man, it’s retail ppl asking for “ilvl” and logs. Just sayin
@@Skullrayge it’s also classic Andy’s . I’m in a parse guild and we are chill but my guild does want to be the best possible and get server first clears and shit. It’s kinda like; why? One of my guild members did a several paragraph write up analysis of how to kill st bosses even faster. It’s like dude we are already crushing in less than 30’seconds?
@@Petemossfunguy You sound surprised but you're in a parsing guild, lol..... sad.
Min max will be there in mop remix. The irony of the entire wow community is hilarious to me. You guys will forever be upset over the completely wrong thing. It's the development thats the issue not the community. Your a product of what they build not the other way around.
@@Petemossfunguy that’s the only way to get challenge out of the game without making the raids balls hard for the 10 guilds that’ll actually clear it.
Tbh if you don’t like it, why are you still in the guild? The shit’s run tight. That’s why. At the very least, you’re not feeling like other people are wasting your time. It might take you 10 hours to clear the raid in 30minutes, but you’re still there because you can’t stand mfs showing up to raid 30 minutes late every week to wipe for 2 hours.
Simple solution to the raid size problem. Make all raids 10 and 20m. The 10m drops loot at normal rate and 20m drops loot at 3x the rate. This way, the incentive to do 20m is the gear is 3x the amount not 2x so people who want to gear up much faster would do so in bigger raid size whereas everyone can still do the content in 10m.
Not a bad idea but the fear is that will effectively just make 20m the default. Maybe that swells guilds, idk
Just play cata
@@naturalyamazing Yes and no. The min-maxers will absolutely default to 20m but this still allows all of the 10m folk the opportunity to do the content as a 10m, albeit they'll gear up slower by comparison. If they insist on going to 40m they can even up the gear maybe to 4x if necessary to "motivate" raiders to the larger raid size while still keeping 10m guilds alive. My guild died as a result of p3 with the swap to 20m. I think I could bring them back if 10m were still viable.
flex raid or LK raid size is bad.
BRING BACK 10 MANS! BRING BACK 10 MANS!
ST should have been a 15-man. But I can't blame the devs when most people were OK hearing it would be 20-man when announced.
For the end game raids, I just can't imagine there not being 20-man raids at all, though 40 might be pushing it. There should be smaller raids as well though
I think one of the failings with SoD is they are being too safe with the changes. It’s a seasonal realm. Go nuts.
Runes don’t take forever to get. Yesterday I went from 40-50 in a couple hours. It’s not as bad as you think. The 100% buff is amazing. This is coming from a guy whole absolutely hates leveling
Try playing a paladin :)
No need to watch this video, only blizzard sponsored propaganda in it
why do people continue to shill the "for the casual" "casual accessible" mindset. dammit dude. wow was never popular the more casual it became. it DECLINED THE MORE CASUAL IT BECAME. the grind/effort/achievement with largeR groups and the openness of the world is what made the game appealing back in 2004-2008 when it was booming and a world wide phenom. the "less minmax nature" back then is a copout. 2019 classic was huge. it makes people WANT TO PLAY. when its easy and accessible, why bother playing???? yes this is a 'SEASON' but why is everything suddenly season and fast tracked? then scratch head why game is BLEEDING PLAYERS when you continue to make it more "accessible". JUST MAKE A DAMN GOOD GAME WHO CARES IF ITS CASUAL FRIENDLY FUCK ME
yep the more casualized this game becomes the more im turned off. there simply is no value of bein sweaty in this game when everything gets tuned down and get easier to level / buy mounts etc.
the reason 20 man raids "killed" a bunch of guilds is because blizzard did the omegabrain move of not introducing 20 man sized raids until phase 3.
so everyone got together and formed their little cliques for 2 phases, and now that they have to merge with other raid rosters nobody wants to budge because like yeah i'm not giving up my status as raid leader/loot master/guild master/officer, you go ahead and give that up and join us... no you join us... no you (get the idea?).
if 20 man raids had been introduced from phase 1, this would never have been a problem because the initial cliques being formed would have naturally been accommodating 20 man sized raid rosters.
i warned repeatedly that this exact thing would happen, and i was just shut down with downvotes every time i dared mention it.
I was all for 20 man raids! Although we did have to combine 2 guilds to make one. Not a big deal. Hasn't been a problem getting 19-20 solid players. 10 man "raids" seem more like just a large party to me and not like a raid. Of course, I've been playing wow since original vanilla and back then we always had 40+ players that never missed a raid.
That's the problem. The casuals need to go because the are the ones that never shows up and compaining the hardest and the game is revolving around them and we get a crap game because of that.
Paladins' exorcism rune is a perfect example of terrible design. 3 other runes are required to make a basic attack functional and removes the ability to run anything else. SoD is great on paper with horrible execution.
Rep from Tabards for running dungeons would be nice. Was able to do incursions the first week and a half on my main. But once everyone got to 50 its impossible to do them with alts because we just get farmed by raids of 50s standing on steps, I couldn't do one round of quests without dying over and over then having a rez timer so I just don't do them at all now. Having guards on the steps and a level cap to get into the lower level incursions would be a step in the right direction I'd think. Haven't touched incursions since week 2 of phase 3.
Heroic dungeons is one of those things. You think you want them but you don’t. People will do them for two weeks and never go back. And the same thing that happens with raids will happen with heroic dungeons. Gear score achievement parse linking. Because people don’t want to be punished for failing…
yeah heroic dungeons in vanilla is a bad idea, this guy just plays in a small guild that cant get 20 people together to do raids so he wants harder 5 man content
I dont like coffee and like to stand. Dont tell me what to do!
One of the things kinda taking the wind out of many peoples sails is the very flatt item progression curve. There is barely an increase from the gnomer gear, so Ive had plenty of mates go "meh, not gonna do this or that or whatnot activity the item is locked behind for an increase of 2 main stat or 3 spellpower, if even that.". I mean, I understand why they flattened the item power progression curve and it totaly makes sense. But at the same time I think they VASTLY underestimated the importance of noticeable (!) player power upgrades through itemization to the classic/sod community.
Unsubscribed. Too much clickbait, ads, and bad opinions that go on and on.
Yeah this is what he gets for using AI to write his scripts for videos. Just not good content from this channel.
Just like you
Noooooo 😢
What are you talking about lol?
@@TheComebackKidsclearly trolling. Your vids are top tier for sod content. Been here since p1.
So you want all the classes to be balanced yet you want to nerf classes that are strong in PVP, but aren’t even top-five in DPS for raids. This is the issue right here is when you take classes and specs that are strong and PVE and others in PVP and scream for everyone to lose their class identity. Some classes are supposed to be stronger than others. Some classes are better healers than others. Some classes are better at PVP than others, so why do you keep crying about more balance?
so true
Bro out here deleting comments from his video. Nice!
Pvp damage reduction should reduce the chances of getting one shot. No need to nerf any abilities..
Bring back GDKPs. the playerbase feels like it died after they went away and incentive to play alts bassically doesnt exist
Lol thats only a coincidence. Far less of you actually liked that
Still waiting for a single one of those surveys
the people who left wont come back for p4 imo. a guild ending is an emotional experience, and to restart and find a new guild just seems like too much effort. nice corepunk shoutout, it could be a good holdover until another big mmo comes out
Honestly, if they made rep account wide, that’d be huge. It’s only gonna be around for like another year. And most of us have already done classic. When they drop the full server with no expiration date, full grinds? Sure.
Rep needed to be account wide
Yes, I agree. No exp boosts and rep boosts but account wide shared rep so you still feel the same sense of achievement on your character when you have done the huge WSG exalted grind done. Now they made it so easy for everyone that me and others that farmed it the "old way" feel like we wasted our time because now you can do it 100x faster. it's important that you stand out when you invest alot of time in a character in an MMORPG. They are taking that feeling away by making shit easier.
Having another way to get runes faster is not what we need. Yeah , it sucks having to do a lot of the quests and traveling again, but if people are complaining on things to do. That gives them something to do. A lot of people who complain about not having anything to do should take a break or consider trying other content they don't usually do in game. Gold farm, professions, pvp, pve, rep grinds, p4 prep, ect. These suggestions just not be what you want to do, but there are things to do and you may need to step away from you comfort zone. I know Blizzard wants feedback, but at this rate if Classic + ever does get released, I hate to see it get ruined by all the cry babies out there.
Haha true, people complain about not having things to do but yet complain of having to do things.
A man with logic. I appreciate this comment so much. All the cry babies are gonna ruin the ONE chance we have at classic+. Cheers man im with you. Hopefully this vocal minority shuts the ff up. lol peace and love
Pretty sure that sod is gonna be a funnel to get people to play retail. I agree with u tho some people need to find other things to get into sometimes just to take a break we all love the grind but a break is good sometimes
If you're saying your guild is dead because of 20 man raids then your guild was dead before, what are you guys wanting 10 man MC and BWL in the final phase. Should have been prepping two 10man groups in last phase just like you should be prepping two 20man raid groups this phase. Sounds like just casuals complaining.
this is what my guild is trying to do but the more casual 20 man has completely fell apart and now theyre just stopping raiding for the rest of the phase and even the hardcore parse 20 man usually has to pug 1-2 spots a week usually. Why even try to force this shit we had it fine with 10 mans, wow was the most hype it had been since 2019 and forcing mergers and things like this just put massive dents in the player base, people clearly loved the 10 man meta. 20 mans and 7 day lockouts have pretty much killed all the hype sod had and now it feels totally dead for cataclysm which is just insane. Back in p1 and p2 I never would have guessed sod would lose all its players to cata cuz sod was peak wow but here we are
@@Yams42279 I'm sure there will be 10 mans but people will get sensitive about the gear not being as good as the 40 mans or 20 mans whatever is chosen.
Why does it always go to heroic dungons and raids. If you add heroic, that will become the meta. If you want heroic dungons, go play retail. Most people who are playing classic and SOD are adults with families. We want to come on, have a very mild challenge, and collect our loot.
Bro that’s what heroic dungeons are. I’m literally advocating FOR YOU holy shit.
The player that doesn’t have time.
@@TheComebackKids only if your talking about LK heroics(aoe cheese fest) cause BC heroics were not for most casuals..
Got three takes on this
1. The problems with runes are they make some specs unplayable, like frostmage or 2h enhancement. You just cant play a spec doing 50% less dmg
2.The solution for incursions would be, remove rng from quest, remove gathering quest. And make it so you have to do all 15 quest to reset it. So the braindead pickup runs wont work.
3. The 20man raids and difficulty of them, like brd any time of day you hade time to play there was a pug going more or less. ST the pugs you see is "St at 21:00 need x"
Bonus. Worldbuffs needs to go. Shouldent work in raids. They are a chore to get, they affect things to much like pharses, and pharses are affecting if you can join or not becuase of the incresed setup time for a raid
I play 2h enh and yeah I do like 200dps less than the dw enh shams in the guild a big part is having to use my maelstrom on lava burst and basically losing an ability
I love world buffs. They are optional. You aren’t forced to get them. Many people like to min max
@@DarkKniteZ Yeah i know many ppl like them. But they make the game worse. Because you are more or less forced to get them. Most guilds have them as a req and all pugs. And you need them to phars good, and you need good logs for pugs
@@tyhyhh yeah i have more or less bis gear on my shaman. And chaning to blue dual weapons gives about 400dps more on most fights. Everything scales better with dual. Like procs, maelstorm building and so on. I wanna play 2h, but its just not working
Idk I run frost mage Winters Chill spec and keep up or do better than the 2 fire mages in my raid most fights. My frost damage set has more spell power than my fire damage set.
Complaining on 20 man raids on a Classic plus game version is so cringe
very vocal minority. If endgame raid are 10 man Im quitting
@@Hennesg lol you say that but 20s have killed the game. perhaps the bigger raid crowd is the real vocal minority . To me that seems obvious at this point, look at the state of the game right now. The first 2 phases were so so so much better than this one.
@@Yams42279 Coundt be because of Cata Prepatch, Rewards in ST being too minor, ST going from too hard to a snoozefest and P3 being void of much content while Incursions invalidated all other content? Nah it can only be 20 man
theres other things yeah but the 20s are the biggest one imo, it has killed hundreds of guilds, yes some can adapt to it but it has caused a massive dropoff no matter what. Cata isnt even classic but SOD is losing most of its classic players to it which to me just indicates a massive failure. 2 months ago i would have predicted cata to be DOA and most ppl just stay in SOD cuz it was just the best wow has been since 2019 and now theyve totally killed it and ppl are playing cataclysm over classic wow. p3 doesnt have less content than previous so that point means nothing but i agree ppl def quit over the raid stuff too
@@Yams42279 no they arent. ST has just no incentive, since except set that everyone has by now offers just 1-2 BIS items for each class, which was different in P1 and P2.
And to say p3 is worse then 1 and 2 is also just whataboutism since raiding data from ironforge pro show different results, if u scale the 3day lockout from p1 and p2 up to 1 week lockout now.
And not 20 man killed guilds, but Bosses with more then one „mechanic“
Maybe I'm the weird one - but I liked incursions, and I'm loving 20man as does most of my guild. Looking forward to 40mans as well. Also with the Ashenvale pvp event I did it almost every week, I've barely touched STV aside from the first few times for the "new factor" early on, got old quickly imo.
I'll also be trying the MoP remix - just wish I could have joined it with an alt char thats low level instead of having to make a new :P
Click bait video
Where's the actual poll about everyone hating 20 mans? From my perspective everyone loves it and is looking forward o 40 mans? You can't make your own opinion sound like the "majority" because it's probably not.
TNT cringe rune
ST loot is not very good for rogues at least, which makes it feel very non-meaningful to run. Also far too many BiS items are mega-expensive BoEs (whilst Blizz tries to fight RMT, and which I don't have since I don't RMT).
Helm - crafted
Neck - ST item only 2ap more than Gnomer quest reward
Shoulders - Crafted
Back - ST item only 1 agi over BRD cloak
Chest - token
Wrist - crafted by engi (WSG bracers 2nd BiS)
Hands - quest reward
Waist - from BRD arena
Legs - token
Feet - token
Rings - WO ring and Mara princess ring (ST quest literally just + sta vs. Mara ring, already at +6% spell hit even with Mara ring)
Trinkets - BOE plagues, BOE dunes (got a credit card?), I'm running incursion trinket for snapshot, WO trink, or pearl (don't have Gnomer trink) on fights with lots of swaps... trinket off Hakkar is straight trash, especially since they patched out popping and swapping pre-pull
MH - ST Dire Nail (running 2nd BiS BM weapon now)
OH - ST Dire Nail (HaT), BOE Julie's Dagger (CP, FA)
Ranged - BOE Precisely calibrated broomstick
So ST (even ignoring the amount of money I spend on consumes), aside from daggers (MH OH since I'll run HaT), can potentially for all other pieces outside of tier tokens (already got) give a rogue that's done their other stuff +1 agi (cloak) and +2 AP (neck). A whole raid and only a single item I can use basically, being the weapon off Eranikus that we haven't seen. It would actually make more sense to skip raids and save the money I spend on consumes to save for cards for the darkmoon decks, which is pretty sad considering that means effectively that "the best way to upgrade your DPS at this point is to skip raiding."
Phase 2 MH and OH BiS were also BoE for rogue >_>
Phase 1 rolled BOE OH green was also within 1 DPS of raid OH
... if we could stop getting BOE as BiS, that would be great...
Would love to see 40 man raids in super easy mode (zug zug pugs / maybe even with automatic raid finder) and 10 man in heroic mode (guild runs). You would serve both, the casuals who just want to experience the raids, the bosses and be part of a big group for an epic adventure without studying mechanics beforehand, and the hard core players in 10 man for the challenge, the parsing and the chance of much higher (maybe even better) loot drops.
Almost feels like most of SOD players dont know what makes classic, classic. Players cause there own issues
Regarding runes I think they went a bit too far. The rune system works the best to make underperforming classes more viable eg. dps shamans, ret palas, boomies. I don't think locks or rogues need to able to tank, mages with healing is kinda nice, but why why melee hunters? I want to still recognize the original class designs, but make all classes viable to play in a group/raid.
my biggest complaint by far, about phase 3 is the incursions. those have to be deleted. their existence invalidates all other content.
when you do things that are not related to incursions, there's the thought gnawing at the back of your mind going "you could make more [stuff] if you went and did incursions instead"
feels awful to do world content right now, because every quest you complete your reference point will be "yeah but if i was spamming incursions i could have 5 times the amount of gold/exp i got from this quest... oh, and rep which = free prebis"
like bro, i get that we have to cater to casual joe, but this is just downright too extreme. incursions have to go, they are killing the game. every day that goes by the problem gets worse.
i heard you say in the video that the rewards are not worth it? uhm, the problem specifically is that it is in fact too rewarding. running on a hamsterwheel (which isn't fun for anyone despite how efficient it is) for 6 hours to get everything handed to you is BAD for the health of the game.
the sole reason people are doing them is for the rewards, nobody actually enjoys them.
they make for absolutely solid pvp content though. nothing warms my soul more than knowing i am stopping some robot from generating undeserved profits.
btw. essence of fire right now is 50g on living flame EU.
can we please get phase 4 so i can afford my god damn enchants without sacrificing my firstborn to the chaos gods? thanks ;)
if frost mage become a thing, they need to tone down the ungodly amount of roots everywhere. i swear trinket/decoy totem and FAPS are now 100% mandatory for pvp... can we like, move our characters more than 2 feet every 10 seconds pls? is that too much to ask?
like even without frost mages in the mix its horrendous, but add frost mage and it just becomes a root meta which nobody except casters and hunters would want.
I just don't get it i like the reputation account wide idea but cant fill your 20 man raid, you don't wanna grind for runes, every raid should be 10 man, I wanna be able to play every alt, I don't wanna level etc etc ...like i get its seasonal but we have this game for a while even if it is seasonal the casual takes are awful its still a mmo guys holy smokes god forbid you have to grind or you cant fill your 20 man roster with all orange parsers perfect comps(blame leadership). I totally think there is some bad things they need to change for example incursions was terrible idea but there's so much down time in the game if you don't have time to grind maybe wow isn't the game for you lol?!? Go play animal crossing
I don't know why people think 40 man was ever even a thing. when 20 man raids are already breaking guilds lmao
40 mans worked in 2019 cause of covid. I can’t understand how blizzard dosent see the sweet spot now is 10 man. It’s truly just a joke.
Lol you must have never played classic, because its based off 40 man raids. Stop crying and go find a guild, or go play retail and play solo
@@chris-qw4ih I did, and it was garbage. It shows in stats now how bad even going above 20 man will be. 40 man would kill the game. Hell I didnt play SoM and I bet it was a major reason
Regarding Ancestral Guidance.
its really useful in 1v1 pvp. due to counterspell only silences a school, you can easily get a silence on lava burst and then pop AG + spam healing. killing a mage
same goes with a warr or rogue.
Solutions not Complaints;
>Raids now SCALE WITH THE AMOUNT OF RAIDERS IN THE RAID. Minimum of 10 players; you will now be able to bring any number of players 10-40 to any raid. Loot and the bosses health will scale for each person you bring.
>Incursions are TURNED OFF; NO EXPERIENCE, NO GOLD, NO LEVEL 60 GEAR. If you want to do Incursions there is literally nothing their except rep, and a lvl 50 set.
>Dungeons will now have 3 selectable difficulties; Normal, Heroic, Heroic+. With each new phase after phase 4, a new dungeon difficulty will be added(Heroic Alpha, Beta, Gamma).
>Reputation will now be ACCOUNT-WIDE, AND ACHIEVEMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDED. Achievements will be ACCOUNT-WIDE progression that will award new mounts, and more titles.
>[GOLD SINK] Transmogrification has been added, BUT it is EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. With certain pieces of gear being OVER 100g to transmog, it will allow players with too much gold to show the community how rich they are. At the same time, building something for players with less money to shoot towards. #DesignerCloths
>COMBAT LOGS for Season of Discovery HAVE BEEN DISABLED. You are no longer permitted to under Blizzard ToS to combat log inside the Season of Discovery server. Just like GDKP's, combat logs are BANNED!
>PHASE 5 REBALANCE OF RUNES. Phase 4 will release the last set of runes for now... Phase 5 will rebalance all the runes in the entire game, and fix the under-performing runes that need love.
>Guild Banks, NEW PVP EVENTS WITH EACH NEW PHASE, New Dungeons that accompany raids released WITH EACH NEW PHASE. New Dungeon Difficulty's/Raid Difficulty's as we get closer to the END OF SOD, New cool looking armor for Transmog. Their is so much that the Blizzard team needs to focus on to make sure their main player base doesn't just up and leave again. If the Dev team keeps their sights set on Major changes, and class balancing then SoD will be the best version of WoW to play.
my opinion here.
but locking mental dexterity behind enhancement was a mistake, it literally took away the potential of playing a 2h ele shaman. them saying "we did not intend elemental to be using mental dexterity" is a terrible explanation.
wasnt the idea of season of discovery to mix and match? to build these crazy ideas?
If 20man raids almost kills your guild then your not a good guild. Inc are only thing that makes alt possible because the easy and xp.
Honestly there’s no need to make videos if there’s nothing to talk about, this whole video is fluff and clickbait. This channel is becoming more and more like the 24 hour news cycle, BLIZZARD DOING BIG THINGS….20 minutes of literally nothing lol.
Nerf literally everything. As a returning player without raid gear, it takes me 30 seconds to kill a single mob in my 40's with quest/dungeon gear. Because I have 2.5k health but the mobs I am fighting have 4-5k health. Why do mobs my level (or even lower) have twice as much health as I do? That's your first clue that things are amiss.
Here's your second clue... If you have to test a 50% resilience buff just to make PVP work, your game is broken. People should not be doing 1k dps at level 50. It makes no friggin sense and is way way too removed from OG classic. Everything about this runaway power spike train is the problem with SOD and modern WoW in general. Do not bring that to classic. It's a mistake.
The problem wasnt 20man in of itself. The problem was the difficulty. You simply CANNOT "throw together" a quick pug for ST and do a quick clear like you could with ZG in classic. With ST being as difficult as it is you get the following problem:
1. Raid hosts will only bring parses with proven gear, skill, and high parse numbers.
2. Pumper players will be very selective because noone wants to join a raid that might not clear, essentially wasting your ID for the week.
3. This creates as negativity-loop as majority of players arent parsers and will thus be barred entry to the raid.
4. The majority of players starts to leave the game because of the above
Don’t forget 20man raids kinda eliminated the problem with specific classes couldnt get a spot in the raid. It feels good that the raid is easier to fill with all the classes for buffs.
Thought I was gonna dive into Cata Classic... Meh. Retail... Meh. TBH I'm thinking I'll just finish up SoD. And unless they do something to catch my eye. I might be over WoW.
SoD was at it's best in P1 because it was still Classic with a twist. Blizz would be best to remember that it's built on the classic foundation.
I enjoy PvP, so since that was messed up i have zero to do.
To me the PvP aura ruined my class and made it unplayable.
I was still getting hit for 1,600 - 2,200 from single attacks, but I cannot seem to hit over 800 damage now.
All the damage over time spells are worthless, and a ton of other issues.
Then waiting in 45 min queue for BG, and there isn’t many people doing world pvp.
You think gate keeping and log checking is bad now, think how bad it will be with a 10 man MC/BWL/AQ/NAXX. These raids will get progressively harder and if your class is underperforming, you're not getting an invite. There will be 0 reason to invite a rogue and I'm sure other classes/specs will have issues.
ppl are having problems with filling 20m raid grps?? My Guild now has 2 20m grps going with only 3 alts crossed.... took me 1 week to find 12 ppl to fill the slots and just picked up another 4-5 this week. Not very hard to do just need to advertise the raid time and when u need to pug its best to just grab whatever is in LFG instead of min maxing.... some ppl just dont seem to understand it but I picked up 3 Spriests so I could drop a Healer for my Grp even tho Spriests have/had lower DPS than avg IDC bc the utility they bring is better than the DPS
Stop being lazy/picky and recruit is the honest answer. If ppl stop being parse prosti's and just focus more on filling the Raid with consistent ppl that show up for the raid every week then raid times will drop from Puggin a 2hr raid to 20 consistent maybe not ideal comp but consistent to be 1hr raids
Paying $15 a month to be a tester for a multibillion-dollar company. WoW fanboys are the best!
When you said Warlock runes. Felguard rune is only good if you go full demonology. Even with that tanks don’t have felguard out. If you sacrifice him it’s a better upside. As destruction/affliction it’s better to run the fire aura. Or unstable affliction. Currently best talents are 17/3/21 which is cool but it’s just casting shadowbolts for damage. Even with the backdraft rune if you want full shadow. It’s only great to get shadowbolts casts faster. Destruction fully currently isn’t performing well. Next phase warlocks will be in fact going into affliction for the shadow damage then the rest the points to get ruin. I would enjoy a nice felguard bonus to fire damage too. If you sacrifice them. Or just improve the felguard
Why can't you see the perspective that allowing you to lvl up VERY quickly with xp buff AND incursions IS enough to help players play alts? This more than makes up for the time theyxd spend on getting runes one lvl capped....
SoD thoughts:
It would be really cool if they just created an item that is BoA and granted xp up to the bottom of the current level bracket. Something you can send to a fresh alt, click it and start participating in the current phase content. Catch up mechanic, plain and simple. Imagine having to go play through seasons 1-3 of Diablo 4, before you can get to Season 4 content. It's not exactly apples to apples, but it gets the point across. Incursions are a perfect example, how many people said "no thank you fast xp, I want to my leveling journey to be longer"
I'd bet that the majority of SoD enjoyers want nothing to do with raids above 10man. No 20, absolutely not 40. It sounds fun on paper, but it just ends up requiring a ton of work outside of the game, managing rosters and schedules.
Playing "fill the roster" on discord instead of playing or even just being logged into the game you pay a sub for, can quickly turn into "i'll go check something else out."
It's a solid business strategy for turning promoters into detractors.
I started WoW with SoD (Rogue, Lone Wolf EU), really loved the first two phases, but I’m lost this one. Missed the first week when everyone abused incursions and farmed unlimited gold + all my mates and guildies kinda left (+ i never kinda enjoyed playing with the guild, since some of the guys were really close, but not us lol) + all my BiS comes from the raid which I have no one to do with and dont have the time, so yea, I quit this phase, but kinda want to play at the same time.. I log in, do a few steps and log out..
BTW as a newcomer I was really interested in PvP and kinda enjoyed it tbh.
At this point FUCK SOD. All this classic + rhetoric with which they promised old world content to be "finished" and "expanded". None of that happened like at all. I will not count quest here and there. This is a lazy project where some quality of life changes and spells from later expansions are added. In SOD I discovered that WoW is dead, has been long dead and will never recover. This aint classic + this is retail -
Why do I feel like this is the retail community?? “Most people”is such a dramatic statement.. 40 mans are the mountain that the valley will never be. This is why vanilla Andy’s don’t like retail. I think as a seasonal realm sure let’s try stuff. But 10am raids is not it. That’s a glorified dungeon in my opinion and doesn’t take the coordination that I’m looking for in wow raiding, don’t get me wrong I like 10m content but I personally want all 3. 10s 20s and of course 40s. I don’t know where this voice of we don’t want 40 mans came from?? Again I feel like this is a retail player statement. Listen I play both but we have to agree there needs to be a a certain amount of “retail stuff” that needed to come to “vanilla”. But we can’t go too far before all the classic players quit and then the retail players will quit because they are looking for a world that actually has immersion (retail world feels not good ) and then what? We’re back at nothing? I don’t know I think it’s a slippery slope. At the end of the day blizzard is a business and they will look at the data for one overall purpose. To make money. So if they see a dramatic fall off in the player base they might rethink “classic+”. I don’t know I’m just a random dude that played wow for the last 20 years, it’s not like I’ve seen the rise and fall of wow. Good luck to all and much love to all ❤
i think 10man is what killed raiding.if the goal was 40man frumt he start would be fine. 10 man is pug shit. was ubrs a raid? HELL NO people act like classic is't the game that survived 20 years in private servers. 40 mans on a private server was possible! you guys are asking for LFG pug shit. classic players are going back. retail player whant more pug.
Big disagree.
Low man raids dying is good because they are bad to begin with. Guilds are better with 40m raids.
I find nightmare incursion the most enjoyable way to farm gold personally, so I like the incursions.
Im not a big alt guy, beyond having for just farming or profession crafting.
Forget arenas, this is a pve game, not an instanced pvp game. The world pvp events created have been great imo.
FYI, I also play classic era and raid weekly.
Season of discovery? Adding heroics is not discovery. They need to make classic till 60.... Then add more content after that. This is what we all want. All the old boys want is a continuation of the WORLD of warcrafts story from 60... Not a continuation of our super heroic commander god killer characters story. That is what retail is for.
Making Battle and Guardian Elixirs so you don't have to get f.ex. arcane elixir for warrior parses, so many consumes.. Or if that's too much, limit it to two of each. Also for the love of god, do not bring us on a 24/7 world buff journey to get them all - give us raid a specific world buff, dmf and songflower is more than enough.
Fuuuuuuuck, you have a version of the game you want, already. Its called retail. Keep 20 mans and maintain 40 mans at 60. "Reward me now! Quickly!"
The 20-man raids are the first real raids. The problem was that we played the lousy 10-man raids for so long that 10 groups made their own guild instead of joining a proper raiding guild. My guild planned for 40-mans all along and, to be fair, is struggling right now to get two 20-man raids going. I myself thought that these stopping points would be good for the game, but it's actually really crappy. It should have been level 60 immediately and then maybe lock out raids for a month instead, giving us ample time to level up and to grind out dungeons. And the hardcore people/streamers would have time to level several characters and deck them out.
Horn of Lordeaden is absolutely trash and it shouldn't be. It should stack with might or rework it completely so it gives attack power and spell power. The fact that they haven't fixed or changed this rune scares the hell out of me. I don't think they care about SoD, which is fine, but I'll be playing other games once this amazing attempt to bring me back to warcraft dies off... war within looks good, but mythic plus scares me and ppl are not helpful at learning mythic pulls...
The pvp aura sucked, we do need something like that. That just wasn't it. Maybe something like 5% spell resistance, 20% stamina increase and 5% less healing. Thats something more along the lines of something that could work.
In an ideal world people would just choose a Class, have a good time, play what they think is fun... Unfortunately ever person on the game right now bar a small handful literally just go to google and /copy paste insert BIS OP 1 Shot ST build here, and they run that with little to no self discovery or attempt to try something else the class offers. I'm loving SoD I'm super excited for whats going to come along with whats out now. Wow is such an old game now, and it strains a lot of people to try and 'keep up' with a lot of things people are managing to achieve.
They are also splitting the community 4 ways between SoD, Cata, Panda, and Retail. I do agree the 10 man raid is a nice sweetspot. Even being able to fill 20 mans with my guild it brought two 10 man raid teams together. 20 people in a chat channel also ive noticed a few of my friends muting their mics for the 20 man raid vs when it was just 10 of us hanging out. Plus more ways of classic "drama" to pop up of how loot is handed out/someone not carrying their weight really is annoying with 20 man. And the once a week reset you lose people to some just raid logging or is a nightmare trying to pug someone unsaved say later saturday night raid. And lastly with so many big amazing dungeons at the next phase lean heavily into making dungeons worth it as well as the best way to level/gear at 60.
I understand that people want to play alts. However, I don't > I don't want to have my main toon pre-raid experience nullified due to stupid catch up mechanics like incursions, wild offerings and an XP buff. I still want to experience the dungeons and leveling experience partly so I've still got something to do for 8 weeks. It's supposed to be classic + not classic -
I think it's kinda funny that we are complaining about the 20 mans, but aside from MC (which they confirmed to be 20 man) it sounds like they are wanting to go into 40 man for future raids. Me personally am in the same boat as everyone else. I prefer 10 man content, but I just don't see them giving up on 40 mans.
This phase will be longer, ppl will cry alot, but in 60 phase the game will just explode...ppl will rejoin, guilds will reform etc. 100% if u got 5 alts 9 mil gold etc just take a break, touch some grass