As funny as your reply is, it is dead on. I understand what he is saying in theory but, as you already know, room size and many other factors, make that either extremely difficult or impossible. BTW, you owe me a drink for the one I spit out after reading your reply😁😁😁
Such an arrangement would be wonderful if I owned a mansion, but since I live in a small frame house, I make do with setting my 7.1 speakers where I can. They work well enough for me too.
In a 5.1 setup the surround speakers go to your sides facing the listening position. When you move up to a 7.1 THEN you add the rear speakers, not the other way around as this video suggests. And all your speakers don't NEED to be equal distances. Any good receiver is going to have room correction software that will measure and account for the distance of your speakers.
room correction is a feature in the better "home theatre" systems. no pro system relies on that. if you have a good amp, you build your house around it. unless you cant pay for that, you shouldnt listen to music or watch movies on a good system. you are just not worth it
the only issue with delay is lip sync. for each foot of difference between the farthest speaker and the closest speaker there will be a 1 millisecond additional delay. the furthest speaker will fire first and then the closest speaker will fire a few milliseconds after so you hear them at the same time particularly if your rears far far away you will have lip sync issues between the front speakers and screen. your average screen has a video feed response time of 5 ms so nowadays(not input lag), it is a good idea to not have a difference speaker distance per foot more than the response time or so. I have always preferred to have my "surround" channels(which I prefer to call rears usually) about 120 degrees with 5.1. If adding "rear" for 7.1 I'd bring the surrounds to 90° and raise them up so a bit so tweeters hit all listeners and delays are more even. The correct distance between fronts to sides to rears is important, 80° like the video shows is no good better to have them at 110 so tweeters hit each listener and have rears straight behind pointing towards the center channel.
Nice video, but impractical. Most people I have seen do not have the option to set the speakers up in a circle in this manner. This is where tuning the receiver for the distances comes in hand. So while this video gives a nice basic explanation of positioning, more than likely, if someone is spending money for surround, they are going to have a receiver that will compensate for speakers being at odd distances in a rectangular room, and in most cases, the receivers come with a special mic to put at the center of the listening area, and it will auto tune the speakers for you. Just think about an actual movie theater. It isn't a circle.
If you use that microphone that measure this distances that sometimes follow with the AV-receiver. I've seen NONE using this, and the surround is all madness. In most cases it is not even used as surround, but it is still in stereo with some surround-FX applied. LOL 😂 Edit: The problem with these uneven mic-measurements is that you will get into odd phase-shifts and weird sounds (filter characteristics).
@@rabarebra Moving yourelf is unlikely to be practical, if you have a decent sized screen, you will be atleast 10-12ft away from the screen, so to put your rear speakers equi distnance away would require a 20x20ft room (and, acoustically, a sqaure room is a bad idea). A system shouldnt ruin the sound simply by delaying the channel a few ms, I am setting my home cinema up now, but my Blu-ray has indvidual speaker delay on, and whilst I have only been using stereo til now, I have delayed the sound to get lip sync. If your receiver is ruining the sound, maybe you need to upgrade?
Agreed. Few people have a large enough room to allow equal spacing. Most rooms do not permit enough space for the surround speakers (rear and/or sides). This is where adjustments are needed via the AVR. I wish I could have a dedicated media room to setup the perfect environment and sit in the center. There is very little professional level YT content dedicated to non-optimal room designs and are almost always geared towards people with the dedicated/perfect room (again, allowing center seating).
I know this is an older video, but even processors back when this video was made account for distance and time delay so you don't need everything to be perfectly symmetrical. Your subs go where they have the best bass response. Your processor will take care of distances and delay. Of course this is assuming your run something like Dirac or Audyssey.
In a perfect world this would be great but viewing areas often arent so cut and dry to enable this set up. For example if your normal viewing position is right up against a wall your gonna have 1 speaker way closer to you than the other. That's when you have to tweak out pot on these speakers and it becomes far more difficult.
I can appreciate the logic here, especially with pulling the FR-L & FR-R speakers forward to line up with the center channel... which I'll do tonight! However, in virtually every video I've seen thus far on this subject, there exists this fantasy world where all this extra space exists behind the listening position. Not for me. I'm like many others, who have a tiny place. My couch is right up against the damn wall. No luxury of said large room, but I still want my 7.2.2. My surround L&R Surround are to my 9:00 & 3:00, on their own speaker stands for now, just to build the soundstage. My Surround Backs or Atmos' (or whatever we call them) are at ear level atop the far back corners of the couch, because I haven't quite decided where they should actually be (I'm using old Bose 2001s from a galaxy far far away... drivers facing me, tweeters facing ceiling... I figured they're Direct/Reflecting design would be ideal as Atmos surrounds.) I used the Audessey mic setup on my Marantz NR1711, & thus far it sounds pretty bad ass. But if I'm going to change the Surround Backs to Atmos Heights, what's the best location, when I'm in a small square space with very little area behind the listening position? Is it even worth changing at this point? If my environment is small, is moving those 2 going to create that big a difference? Feeling a bit to lazy to run more wiring & find an elevated mounting solution, but might try it in the future...
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My surrounds left and right are on the back wall but way further than the surround back and up with down facing angle. And properly angled, the back ones are just facing down more and it works!!!!
Just let the receiver calibrate the listening spot and then adjust with your ear to get it just right, most homes won't work "the perfect speaker position".
@@cinema_sound5003 My friend.. Audio signals delaying is one of most common techniques in proffesional audio engineering, thats your opinion can be fairly described as urban legends of Hi-Fi maniacs..
With a room full of furniture and a room that isn't perfectly round or square, this just isn't realistically possible. I put my speakers where I can lol
it depends on how serious you take this hobby. I worked around this problem by slowly buying my furniture around the speaker system rather than vice versa. It still doesn't look too much like a home theatre and still like a living room but it's almost as the video suggests.
very nice video! quick question what if you have a rectangular room,?should you bring the speakers closer (farther from tv) to make that perfect circle or should I just adjust the speaker levels on the receiver? also if i use height speakers, should they be directly above me or should they be in front/ behind me?
I just watched this video. Very well explained. Question: If one can’t get the the surround distance you suggest, does the electronic distance and levels adjustments in the AVR compensate for this? Thanks
The only way to have a center speaker sound coming directly from the screen is to have an 8k screen that only has 4k of pixels with a checkerboard of holes missing so sound can come out of it. You could have voice sounds coming directly from the mouths :)
Hi, I am planning to get 85" QLED(2021 Q70A) and a matching sound bar to have home theatre setup in my lounge space. My lounge size is 12.5 foot depth, width is 10.5 foot and ceiling height is 7.9 foot. I wish to have 4 seats in a row. Mostly i watch regular TV shows, movies, and sports. I dont play games on this home theatre. Could you please advise on choosing between Home theatre soundbar samsung HW-Q900A and Q870A(2021). Both are in same price the range. HW-Q900A has 7.1.2 channel sound without rear speakers. HW-Q870A has 5.1.4 channel sound with wireless rear speakers. Could you please suggest me to choose the better soundbar from the above two and few tips on setup, considering my room space, TV size and seating capacity. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the video. I have my speakers set up in this way. The question I have is, I have 2 rear speakers left & right, but when I play music the rear speakers seldom go off. What affects the rear speakers being triggered?
It would be whatever your receiver or soundbar is telling your speakers to do. You're upmixing audio and need to change it to "direct" or whatever it is called on your sound system in the EQ settings.
Ain't no body house furniture is set up like what you show to support a home theater. I understand it's the proper positioning to get the most outa you're surround sound but to some people(ME) it's sort of discouraging to even get a surround sound jus cause my living area could never be set up like this.
This is absolutely true. The optimal placement is really just something to aspire to. Basically, try your best to get as close to it as possible. However, unless you have a dedicated home theater room, you basically have to "make do" with what you have. That may mean one surround speaker much further away than the other, or the surrounds not quite optimally placed. The good thing is our hearing is not so accurate, and the placement in the surrounds is not so precise that things will be thrown off too much by having the speakers slightly out of alignment. Room correction in your AV receiver can generally fix any difference in speaker distance--it may not be 100%, but it will be good enough. The end result may not be "ideal", but it will be close enough to get the job done. For the most part unless you do a really horrendous job of placing the speakers or have an absolutely terrible room to work with, you'll end up with a decent outcome.
I dont know anyone that has a room like this. Yes in a demonstration room were your trying to sell speakers maybe you'd be in a room like that but most people don't but with that said nice video...
In a 5.1 and a 7.1 its not a magic triangle its a magic X meaning fronts are in line with the rears your center goes though the center of the x and your left and right surrounds go though the middle of that same x and your listening area is in the middle and make sure you turn your fronts and rears 30 degrees out from the wall do not make them flush with the wall this set up works well with movies music and if you have it hookup games as well. Hope this is a better understanding, this is the exact setup i use for years just make sure your fronts and rears towers are off the floor bass hates carpet with powered subs this doest apply at all but find a good location for you sub or subs This works with any size room in a house appartments your going to have to adjust to your environment Not all room are equal but its a start again hope this helps
searched and searched for a video explaining the best way to mount my sonos system speaker for 5.1 and you guys did a great job explaining it. One question if I understand this correctly its better to the the speakers close to ear level for height vs up in the air in the corner of the room aimed down? My problem is with my open floor plan I have no outlets directly behind my couch so I can only mount them along the walls in the room.
So , my whole studio suround setup doesnt allow me to put rear speakers at the corner , i can only do them like what dolby recomends , would that be a huge different and what speaker bracket should i get and also do i rly need to rotate the speakers to face me , thanks
My living room is just too small. My wall is right back of my couch and my tv is only 10 feet in front of me. Any tip of where do i have to put my surround speakers of my 5.1 system? My surrounds are the Acoustech PL66. I also was planning to add 2 more speakers to have a 5.1.2 system.
This is an excellent video!! When I finished my basement space, I ran 7.1 wiring in a layout like you show at 3:20 (with sides at 80 deg, due to layout limitations) and it is very good for side-to-side, but the rear speakers do not seem to fill in enough to shift the effect behind the listener. I wonder if I should aim the side speakers backward, to a point behind the center position a bit, to enhance the surround effect? My speakers are at mounted 90 deg to the wall so focal point is slightly in front of listener right now, so I am wondering if it is worth getting speaker mounts to allow aiming these back. A gain of 10 degrees seems like not enough to be worth it, but if focusing back a even further would help, I would consider it. (e.g. if two people sit 3 ft apart, I would aim each side speaker at the closest person, rather then a midpoint between the listeners, for about a 20 deg angle to the wall) Another option I was considering was to investigate if my receiver could treat rear speakers to same mix as side (e.g. 5.1 mix with "dual" side speakers), and then balance the levels (side and rear) so I could create a "virtual" speaker over my shoulder (between these). However, I do not think this is doable with my Yamaha RX-V673 receiver, and perhaps the tweak in the paragraph above would be enough, and allow true 7.1 to continue to be used. Appreciate your thoughts/experience.
Wow! That surely simplified it. Now if you could please offer me some advice. I am doing 7.1. I have (3) 5.5 driver towers in front. Matching center. 2 bipole speaker and in the market for the other (2) to complete set. And I have a 10” sub. My question 1 is do I place the bipoles in rear or sides? And recommendation for the missing 2. Small bookshelf? Etc. thanks. I’m using a Yamaha R8 series receiver
Hi, on 5.1 I ve put my surround speaker 1.5/2 feet above ear level, is it right? Sometime is fine, same case not. Dolby specifies this but most people say the opposite leaving surround on ear level, but they are distracting..
This is also assuming that the couch is in the middle of the room when 95% of the time its off the back wall, Id like you guys to talk about how the speakers are affected when this is the case. It is with me but I already combated this problem.I happen to have a 11.4 , 7.4.4 .But i also happen to have 4 heights which i can switch off with ceiling and front wides Thanks
@@cinema_sound5003 my room is 14 x 18. My room is all Def tech stuff, plus I review for AVS,so I have a constant influx of new gear. My AVR. Iss the Denon 6500 amps range from Emotiva to NAD. I can say its a delicate balance act making things give.
¿Are the back surround speakers the same as height speakers, is the same sound coming out of that cord or do you need to buy a receiver that has an extra height output from the back? please answer thanks!
Cinema_Sound You can manually do it by measuring your distance from each of the speakers and then putting it on the receiver, and I’m pretty sure that 90% of the people watching this today will have receivers that can do either of these features And if not go on eBay and spend 50 bucks to get a new receiver that can do this
what if your main wall is not straight it is angled so front right left center good and the couch is center where to put the rears at a angle ? or just behind the couch.
What if I have a 20x20x8 a square room. I can do the even distances but people are saying that a square room is not ideal for good acoustics especially bass response. I have dual subs btw.
whats the job of the lw and rw speakers in a 9.1 are they just duplicates of the l & r or are they satellite speakers? just curios cause i have two 5.1 soundbars and out of curiousity i hooked them up and its sounds quite frankly like im running two soundbars. was wondering what the best location of the other bar would be as i cant simply mute the bar without disabling the sub or the satellites if i wanted a 5.2 or a 7.2 wondering if i should mute one of the center channels on one of the bars also?
Almost every cinema reciever like denon Yamaha onkyo has YPAO. Doesn't the automated YPAO/mic audio calibration solve this problem entirely? Regarding different distances, delay and volume..
My room is 13' x10'........i have the tv on a 13ft wall side....the room is a rectangle....i cant figure out a good position for my 5.1 system...i know the basics...but sometimes the basics dont apply
we've got a U shaped couch with the right side against the wall. so i guess its impossible to have good audio for everyone. unless i would mount everything on the ceiling, but wouldnt that sound weird tho?
I've question regarding soround what do you think about newly release (immerse for cubase/nuendo) I mean this one take picture for you earball :D then allow you to put object in anyway not restricted to 5.1 or 7.1 or even larger scale sorround system but just wondering if you know immerse or you can explain can we make 3d system exported to stereo? or always we should export stereo version and sorround version thank you (still taking cinema sound course I really really like this course )
Anas Alsayed thanks so much! I’m not totally sure what you’re asking. But when we mix we typically want to mix in surround because one way or another mixed tend to end up in some surround format. And going from stereo to surround is nowhere near as good as going surround to stereo.
@@cinema_sound5003 thx for your response this helped me alot regarding the 1st part, I was talking about ( immerse embody sorround plugin from nuendo/cubase which is released few days back) ^^ I feel confused if this is better or better to learn using SAD plugin mentioned in your course
For some reason. I had to place my side surround speaker above my ear about 1Meter to 1.2 Meter and i cant point it direct to my ear. Is it ok cause i often use my home theater for video game and what i look picture from manual it looks like should be on ear level?
This question is a bit different but maybe you can help me. My movie was mixed in stereo but I am trying to decide for the movie theaters if I should select all the 5.1 even though it will not be in surround, would it still feel more subversive for the audience if the hear the audio not just from the front of theater but all around them. Again, I understand it will not be in surround. I am concerned that even though I have my audio mixed well where I mixed with headphones and I would put my home surround on and mix audio with sub to make sure sub is not to bass heavy. I would keep my sub up at about halfway, so that was a guess, Lol. What audio configuration do you think I should use?....I will be reloading my movie into a program that will convert movie to DCP, theater format and I can choose there all the speaker configurations. I listened today with the L,R and Center channels and it sounded a bit mid rangy, somewhat muddy but not terrible.
if my fronts LCR are 10 feet and there is no 10 feet space for surrond only 6 feet one side and 6 feet other side what will be delay (Do delay mean distance in avr or level in avr )
What's the difference between your surround speakers and the rear ones ? My Klipsch 5.1, I was under the impression the 2 would be rear speakers. But this video says otherwise. Any light on this would be great !
In a 5.1 setup, the speakers are meant to go more to the side (anywhere between 85 to 120 degrees is good). In a 7.1, the 5.1 will still be on the side, and the extra two will be surrounds. I recommend placing the side surrounds anywhere between slightly in front to slightly behind your viewing position and facing toward each other, although if slightly behind you can try toeing them into the main listening position and see what you prefer. Try to avoid placing the speakers in a corner, although if you have to, make sure both are in a corner opposite wall from one another and not one in a corner and the other in the middle of the room for example. Lastly, be sure not to have anything block the speaker. If you can't see the speaker, you won't get optimal sound, but I'm sure that goes without saying. If setup correctly, even with a 5.1 you can get very good phantom surround sound where the sound envelops behind your head. 5.1 surrounds will have the side and surround audio information, while 7.1 will separate them, being more discrete.
@@pavanjacob84 Also worth noting, if your sound system doesn't allow you to set the distance for speakers, and you need to physically set them so they're equidistant to the listener, what I like to do is use a laser measuring tape, then from where I sit when watching movies/playing games, I point the laser from ear/head to each speaker so I know all the sound reaches my ear at about the same time. You may need another person to help with it, but not necessarily as long as you see your periphery for the surround speakers. If your room doesn't allow for optimal setup, then just do the best you can.
@@mrchiledonut great tip, I will let you know how I feel about it once I change the current set up. Need to pull them rear speakers off the all and get them mounted or on a stand to the side , will take sometime but I will come back to you with an update. Thanks heaps !
Went with Bi-polar rears and eliminated all the geometry needs. More expansive sound. Def Tech SR9040s are awesome. Just ensure your auto calibration on your receiver ignores these during setup as they confuse the AV unit.The included guide walks you through proper settings.
I don't have much space behind my couch and I'mthinking about the bipol speakers "Klipsch RP-402S" as the back speakers. Anyone knows if this could work with about 60cm betwen listener and speakers?
when I start to setup my 5.1 surrou d is it best to start with the center speaker to the listening position for the distance...or how do I determine the equidistance for the speakers?
My problem Is my room no 4th wall, can't move listening position into the center of the room, only place for listening against back wall along with surround speakers And Why don't we use floor standing speakers for are surround sound?
think the biggest problem when you set up your home theater is the center speaker, it will never be at the same level in height than the others ... for obvious reasons, one of these reasons is the screen, or you put that speaker underneath or on top of the tv
If you're doing a 5.1 it should be okay. It's not optimal, but it'll be fine. If you're doing 7.1, yeah you can't have your back against a wall. Small room, if one wants surrounds, 5.1 is preferable.
My back is against a wall. I listen only to movies. How should I place my rears? Should i use bookshelf speakers or those dual triangle like surround speakers?
Hi i have 7.1 set up my rears on back wall are 4.5 feet above my ears and the side ones next to me are 2 feet above my ears should i drop the rear ones on the back wall down to same height as the middle back ?
Tom Fin no. It’s not necessary. It’s really more about the distance. Although if they’re up too high (over 30° to the listener) that can become an issue.
I think i will bring them down to same height as middle rear when I bring them down i will have them level with front main do i still angle them in slightly like main ?
Understood the idea of the surround sound. My problem is that my speakers must be sealing mounted for aestetic reasons (my wife could explain). How do I proceed in this case? My couch is at about 7' from my TV and I want to prewire a 7.1 system. Thank you for the response. G.C.
i just got logitech z906 (5.1), and i placed all 5 of them equidistant to me(like 8.2 feet), so i am in center of it... but i cant place front left and front right speakes to be equidistant to them for this "magic triangle", distance between front left and front right speeker is 9.5 feet. i didnt mounted them on wall yet, waiting for some better idea, so if there are some tips to make most of my place and speakers, feel free to help :)
Hi. My family room has 3 walls (front, right, back), the 4th side (left) is open to the kitchen. I have 2 identical subwoofers. One subwoofer is located at the front right of the room. My family room is 17' wide x 15' deep x 9' ceiling. QUESTION: I have 2 locations that I can place the 2nd subwoofer. I read that option C is better but I would prefer option D below. Your thoughts? C) the rear left of the room (I read that this is the preferred but the subwoofer would be an eyesore) D) the rear right of the room (the subwoofer would be hidden.) Is it ok to place it here? Would it sound bad if both subwoofers are located at the front-right and rear-right of the room? Thanks.
What about for those of us that like to mount everything in the ceiling or wall? I have 2 round Martin logan's in the ceiling above the couch and I want to put 2 in wall behind the couch and on the TV wall
My rear speakers are about twice as far away as my fronts in relation to my seating area. Does changing audio levels on the rears make up for the uneven distances between the speakers and listener?
Two changes have to be made to correct for this issue. First, you need to adjust the distance in the receiver to accurately represent the actual distance of the rear speakers to the listening position. Since they are at twice the distance, the sound will take twice as long to reach the listener. This is known as a time domain adjustment because you are basically telling the receiver to send the sound out of the rear speakers earlier so it reaches the listener at the appropriate time. The second adjustment that needs to be done is to turn up the volume to compensate for the increase in distance. You can achieve this balance via some receivers that can run a test and automatically do this for you, or you can buy a SPL meter (Sound Pressure Level meter), and run some tests yourself to set the volume to match the output of the front and side speakers.
Hi, I'll be placing my side speakers right next to the cauch and at 90 degree towards the listening position - I can't change that (wall mounted). What I'm planning to do is - place them 3 feet higher than my ear level so I gain a bit of a distance and ambience and resolve the "buddy blocking" problem. I also plan to aim the speakers at about 10 degree downwards - it will not aim at me, it will aim at about 2 feet above my ears. That way I hope it will be more "ambient" and not "direct" sound. I'm thinking on Dali Fazon. Any thoughts on that approach? Thank you in advance!
I have a 5.1 setup.. center, left, right anf then 2 rears mounted on the ceiling... they are all as close to perfect as o can get them lol my only question is how do i get the best sound for watching movies ? Any tips would be appreciated
I have klipsch surround speakers that fire two directions, same placement for them? These speakers dont make sense having one side firing away from me, and i get neither of the treble speakers directly towards me, muddying the sounb a bit more then a directed monopole speaker would. Also i have different speakers surround side and back as of now, where do I put the best speakers ? I think on side surrounds as most content are 5.1 However 5.1 content with a 7.1 setup? The speakers are to the side not diagonally back, this screws up audio image?
@@cinema_sound5003 Thanks! So basicly bipoles for a 5.1 isn't to shabby, however the more speakers the more directional you would want em. Specially going from 5. to 7. as you fill out the big void. 7.1 has much more covrage percent wise, then say from 7.1 to 9.1 if that even excists. Prob not cuse its nots needed. 7.1 covers the whole lot. So one pair is Bipole, my klipsch and my side surrounds are direct (xtz wall speakers) What would i benefit the most out of, having the klipsch behind or as sides?
@@cinema_sound5003 And its annyoing, I can't disable the side surrounds without also disabling the back surround. For 5.1 contet i think the side surrounds should go away and the back remain. However then I need to change terminal lol
Do the left and right as well as surround sound speakers have to be at the same height also? My left and right are about eye level, but I have a lot of stuff around and behind me, so the 7.1 surround speakers have to go up. Is it going to be okay? I also have everything equidistant👍
OK. You're "technique" for compensating for more than one person on the couch is wrong. What you're supposed to do (and what ALL theatres do) is raise the side fills and angle them down toward the farthest listening position. In this case, you would raise and angle the Left Side fill to point at the right end of the couch and vice versa for the Right Side fill. Would have been nice if you demonstrated how to measure the angles for the surrounds in 5.1 and 7.1.
Yes, the side walls are raised ~20 degrees and the tweeter is angled toward the last seat in the row(s) (google search cinema surround speakers - notice how they are shaped? Actually the google search shows you in the third row exactly what they do. The back wall is also raised and angled down. Check it out next time you're in a theatre. This is to evenly distribute (as best as possible) high frequencies. www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1ASUM_enCA533CA533&biw=1920&bih=974&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=jl0uW8GDHZrCjgS-9oK4Cg&q=cinema+surround+speaker&oq=cinema+surround+speaker&gs_l=img.3..0j0i5i30k1.2646.5080.0.5173.23.23.0.0.0.0.153.2322.11j11.22.0....0...1c.1.64.img..1.22.2320...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.GZJsTV8uZJg#imgrc=hTDVnBopOARzgM:
i have 5.1.2 avr dolby atmos. the problem is i couldn't place them in side my ear (110 degrees). I can only do that in back about (135 degrees). is it okay?
After watching this video I realized I need a new house, not new speakers :(((
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As funny as your reply is, it is dead on. I understand what he is saying in theory but, as you already know, room size and many other factors, make that either extremely difficult or impossible.
BTW, you owe me a drink for the one I spit out after reading your reply😁😁😁
Tell me about it!
😅 haha, me too 🤭
This is all well and good as long as your lounge is the size of a football pitch.
Yeah, how many rooms can actually manage this kind of setup? Dedicated home theatre rooms maybe, but in most rooms not a chance
Guess you never heard of digital delay and level control have you?
Such an arrangement would be wonderful if I owned a mansion, but since I live in a small frame house, I make do with setting my 7.1 speakers where I can. They work well enough for me too.
Just cam on to this cux I'm try to set up system...who in the hell had 1 couch in the middle of a room...no 1 I know...lmfao
@@TheMotscham Not even theaters have that distribution haha
In a 5.1 setup the surround speakers go to your sides facing the listening position. When you move up to a 7.1 THEN you add the rear speakers, not the other way around as this video suggests.
And all your speakers don't NEED to be equal distances. Any good receiver is going to have room correction software that will measure and account for the distance of your speakers.
Agree
Cinema Sound, you mention not to put speakers on the ceiling. What about Dolby Atmos which requires that?
This is the longest conversation I've ever heard people have in Chinese 😁
room correction is a feature in the better "home theatre" systems. no pro system relies on that. if you have a good amp, you build your house around it. unless you cant pay for that, you shouldnt listen to music or watch movies on a good system. you are just not worth it
the only issue with delay is lip sync. for each foot of difference between the farthest speaker and the closest speaker there will be a 1 millisecond additional delay. the furthest speaker will fire first and then the closest speaker will fire a few milliseconds after so you hear them at the same time particularly if your rears far far away you will have lip sync issues between the front speakers and screen. your average screen has a video feed response time of 5 ms so nowadays(not input lag), it is a good idea to not have a difference speaker distance per foot more than the response time or so. I have always preferred to have my "surround" channels(which I prefer to call rears usually) about 120 degrees with 5.1. If adding "rear" for 7.1 I'd bring the surrounds to 90° and raise them up so a bit so tweeters hit all listeners and delays are more even. The correct distance between fronts to sides to rears is important, 80° like the video shows is no good better to have them at 110 so tweeters hit each listener and have rears straight behind pointing towards the center channel.
Nice video, but impractical. Most people I have seen do not have the option to set the speakers up in a circle in this manner. This is where tuning the receiver for the distances comes in hand. So while this video gives a nice basic explanation of positioning, more than likely, if someone is spending money for surround, they are going to have a receiver that will compensate for speakers being at odd distances in a rectangular room, and in most cases, the receivers come with a special mic to put at the center of the listening area, and it will auto tune the speakers for you. Just think about an actual movie theater. It isn't a circle.
If you use that microphone that measure this distances that sometimes follow with the AV-receiver. I've seen NONE using this, and the surround is all madness. In most cases it is not even used as surround, but it is still in stereo with some surround-FX applied. LOL 😂
Edit: The problem with these uneven mic-measurements is that you will get into odd phase-shifts and weird sounds (filter characteristics).
Just measure to a specific point where you’re sitting from each speaker. Then said that distance in your receiver. Problem solved.
@@Foreverjazzfan Absolutely not. Have you heard how that EQs the sound. It is utter garbage doing such adjustments. Just move yourself instead.
@@rabarebra Moving yourelf is unlikely to be practical, if you have a decent sized screen, you will be atleast 10-12ft away from the screen, so to put your rear speakers equi distnance away would require a 20x20ft room (and, acoustically, a sqaure room is a bad idea). A system shouldnt ruin the sound simply by delaying the channel a few ms, I am setting my home cinema up now, but my Blu-ray has indvidual speaker delay on, and whilst I have only been using stereo til now, I have delayed the sound to get lip sync. If your receiver is ruining the sound, maybe you need to upgrade?
Agreed. Few people have a large enough room to allow equal spacing. Most rooms do not permit enough space for the surround speakers (rear and/or sides). This is where adjustments are needed via the AVR. I wish I could have a dedicated media room to setup the perfect environment and sit in the center.
There is very little professional level YT content dedicated to non-optimal room designs and are almost always geared towards people with the dedicated/perfect room (again, allowing center seating).
I know this is an older video, but even processors back when this video was made account for distance and time delay so you don't need everything to be perfectly symmetrical. Your subs go where they have the best bass response. Your processor will take care of distances and delay. Of course this is assuming your run something like Dirac or Audyssey.
In a perfect world this would be great but viewing areas often arent so cut and dry to enable this set up. For example if your normal viewing position is right up against a wall your gonna have 1 speaker way closer to you than the other. That's when you have to tweak out pot on these speakers and it becomes far more difficult.
I can appreciate the logic here, especially with pulling the FR-L & FR-R speakers forward to line up with the center channel... which I'll do tonight!
However, in virtually every video I've seen thus far on this subject, there exists this fantasy world where all this extra space exists behind the listening position. Not for me.
I'm like many others, who have a tiny place. My couch is right up against the damn wall. No luxury of said large room, but I still want my 7.2.2.
My surround L&R Surround are to my 9:00 & 3:00, on their own speaker stands for now, just to build the soundstage.
My Surround Backs or Atmos' (or whatever we call them) are at ear level atop the far back corners of the couch, because I haven't quite decided where they should actually be (I'm using old Bose 2001s from a galaxy far far away... drivers facing me, tweeters facing ceiling... I figured they're Direct/Reflecting design would be ideal as Atmos surrounds.)
I used the Audessey mic setup on my Marantz NR1711, & thus far it sounds pretty bad ass. But if I'm going to change the Surround Backs to Atmos Heights, what's the best location, when I'm in a small square space with very little area behind the listening position? Is it even worth changing at this point? If my environment is small, is moving those 2 going to create that big a difference? Feeling a bit to lazy to run more wiring & find an elevated mounting solution, but might try it in the future...
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What do you do if your listening position is back against the wall? Where do you put the back surround speakers?
Very well explained sir! Learned so much from watching less than 5 min video on spkr placements. Thank you!
My surrounds left and right are on the back wall but way further than the surround back and up with down facing angle. And properly angled, the back ones are just facing down more and it works!!!!
Can't believe it but I have my speakers just like you said. Thanks
Good video, but doesn't room correction adjust for distance\delay and levels? Like Audyssey.
Just let the receiver calibrate the listening spot and then adjust with your ear to get it just right, most homes won't work "the perfect speaker position".
@@cinema_sound5003 My friend.. Audio signals delaying is one of most common techniques in proffesional audio engineering, thats your opinion can be fairly described as urban legends of Hi-Fi maniacs..
With a room full of furniture and a room that isn't perfectly round or square, this just isn't realistically possible. I put my speakers where I can lol
it depends on how serious you take this hobby. I worked around this problem by slowly buying my furniture around the speaker system rather than vice versa. It still doesn't look too much like a home theatre and still like a living room but it's almost as the video suggests.
What about the height of the surround speakers? Should they be at the ear level? Thank you!
No absolutely not they should be about 3 feet above your ear...
A big wow...Very informative video. I was captivated by the speaker. Thank you for sharing with us such a great audio information.
Superb video. Many thanks 😊
Absolutely Brilliant..Changed my entire experience..💯💣👍
very nice video! quick question what if you have a rectangular room,?should you bring the speakers closer (farther from tv) to make that perfect circle or should I just adjust the speaker levels on the receiver? also if i use height speakers, should they be directly above me or should they be in front/ behind me?
I just watched this video. Very well explained.
Question:
If one can’t get the the surround distance you suggest, does the electronic distance and levels adjustments in the AVR compensate for this? Thanks
it does
The only way to have a center speaker sound coming directly from the screen is to have an 8k screen that only has 4k of pixels with a checkerboard of holes missing so sound can come out of it. You could have voice sounds coming directly from the mouths :)
Funny 😂
@@rabarebra Sony already invented it now it's called Acoustic Surface Audio+. The sound comes from the mouths by vibrating the screen.
@@warlockboyburns "Vibrating the screen" 😂
@@rabarebra Yes that's the technical term
@@warlockboyburns Good luck, would never buy anything like that. Wouldn't compete with any fidelity I am used to.
3:30 Could I also put speakers at an angle to the rear? Or would that not work right?
You could as long as they're pointed at the listener. Thanks for reaching out!
@@cinema_sound5003 Thanks for the reply! And what if the sub does not fit between my tower speakers and cabinet?
@@MrArjanOskam Just do your best to keep everythuing equidistant!
Its very informative about Sound Positions for Speakers.Done well great job lets have a watch again this video.
When setting up a receiver with the included mic, does it typically calibrate volume, synch, or both?
If only i had a cinema room this would be fine
nice video, straight to the point, and visual explanation
Hi,
I am planning to get 85" QLED(2021 Q70A) and a matching sound bar to have home theatre setup in my lounge space.
My lounge size is 12.5 foot depth, width is 10.5 foot and ceiling height is 7.9 foot. I wish to have 4 seats in a row. Mostly i watch regular TV shows, movies, and sports. I dont play games on this home theatre.
Could you please advise on choosing between Home theatre soundbar samsung HW-Q900A and Q870A(2021). Both are in same price the range.
HW-Q900A has 7.1.2 channel sound without rear speakers.
HW-Q870A has 5.1.4 channel sound with wireless rear speakers.
Could you please suggest me to choose the better soundbar from the above two and few tips on setup, considering my room space, TV size and seating capacity.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the video. I have my speakers set up in this way. The question I have is, I have 2 rear speakers left & right, but when I play music the rear speakers seldom go off. What affects the rear speakers being triggered?
It would be whatever your receiver or soundbar is telling your speakers to do. You're upmixing audio and need to change it to "direct" or whatever it is called on your sound system in the EQ settings.
Ain't no body house furniture is set up like what you show to support a home theater. I understand it's the proper positioning to get the most outa you're surround sound but to some people(ME) it's sort of discouraging to even get a surround sound jus cause my living area could never be set up like this.
This is absolutely true. The optimal placement is really just something to aspire to. Basically, try your best to get as close to it as possible. However, unless you have a dedicated home theater room, you basically have to "make do" with what you have. That may mean one surround speaker much further away than the other, or the surrounds not quite optimally placed. The good thing is our hearing is not so accurate, and the placement in the surrounds is not so precise that things will be thrown off too much by having the speakers slightly out of alignment. Room correction in your AV receiver can generally fix any difference in speaker distance--it may not be 100%, but it will be good enough. The end result may not be "ideal", but it will be close enough to get the job done. For the most part unless you do a really horrendous job of placing the speakers or have an absolutely terrible room to work with, you'll end up with a decent outcome.
Just do the best you can. It will be good.
Our basement is sort of set up like this, with a 5.1 surround home theater setup, except that we have the side speakers on the ceiling.
I dont know anyone that has a room like this. Yes in a demonstration room were your trying to sell speakers maybe you'd be in a room like that but most people don't but with that said nice video...
Where are the links you mentioned ? (Dolby site and that set ip program, groop or ?)
How do you set up distance. 0 to 3 m? Which do I choose?
A good HT receiver's setup can compensate for different distances.
In a 5.1 and a 7.1 its not a magic triangle its a magic X meaning fronts are in line with the rears your center goes though the center of the x and your left and right surrounds go though the middle of that same x and your listening area is in the middle and make sure you turn your fronts and rears 30 degrees out from the wall do not make them flush with the wall this set up works well with movies music and if you have it hookup games as well.
Hope this is a better understanding, this is the exact setup i use for years just make sure your fronts and rears towers are off the floor bass hates carpet with powered subs this doest apply at all but find a good location for you sub or subs
This works with any size room in a house appartments your going to have to adjust to your environment
Not all room are equal but its a start again hope this helps
searched and searched for a video explaining the best way to mount my sonos system speaker for 5.1 and you guys did a great job explaining it. One question if I understand this correctly its better to the the speakers close to ear level for height vs up in the air in the corner of the room aimed down? My problem is with my open floor plan I have no outlets directly behind my couch so I can only mount them along the walls in the room.
Ok. Thanks. I think I will experiment with different heights and see how they sound before buying any kind of mounting bracket.
So , my whole studio suround setup doesnt allow me to put rear speakers at the corner , i can only do them like what dolby recomends , would that be a huge different and what speaker bracket should i get and also do i rly need to rotate the speakers to face me , thanks
My living room is just too small. My wall is right back of my couch and my tv is only 10 feet in front of me. Any tip of where do i have to put my surround speakers of my 5.1 system? My surrounds are the Acoustech PL66. I also was planning to add 2 more speakers to have a 5.1.2 system.
Uptading from normal two speakers to 7. 1
(This video helped me so much)
This is an excellent video!! When I finished my basement space, I ran 7.1 wiring in a layout like you show at 3:20 (with sides at 80 deg, due to layout limitations) and it is very good for side-to-side, but the rear speakers do not seem to fill in enough to shift the effect behind the listener. I wonder if I should aim the side speakers backward, to a point behind the center position a bit, to enhance the surround effect? My speakers are at mounted 90 deg to the wall so focal point is slightly in front of listener right now, so I am wondering if it is worth getting speaker mounts to allow aiming these back. A gain of 10 degrees seems like not enough to be worth it, but if focusing back a even further would help, I would consider it. (e.g. if two people sit 3 ft apart, I would aim each side speaker at the closest person, rather then a midpoint between the listeners, for about a 20 deg angle to the wall)
Another option I was considering was to investigate if my receiver could treat rear speakers to same mix as side (e.g. 5.1 mix with "dual" side speakers), and then balance the levels (side and rear) so I could create a "virtual" speaker over my shoulder (between these). However, I do not think this is doable with my Yamaha RX-V673 receiver, and perhaps the tweak in the paragraph above would be enough, and allow true 7.1 to continue to be used.
Appreciate your thoughts/experience.
Wow! That surely simplified it. Now if you could please offer me some advice. I am doing 7.1. I have (3) 5.5 driver towers in front. Matching center. 2 bipole speaker and in the market for the other (2) to complete set. And I have a 10” sub. My question 1 is do I place the bipoles in rear or sides? And recommendation for the missing 2. Small bookshelf? Etc. thanks. I’m using a Yamaha R8 series receiver
Hi, on 5.1 I ve put my surround speaker 1.5/2 feet above ear level, is it right? Sometime is fine, same case not. Dolby specifies this but most people say the opposite leaving surround on ear level, but they are distracting..
Where do you hide the wiring?
Can the speakers be ceiling mounted?
Whats up with the non-stop flashing advertisement/vendors?
What about putting surrounds in the ceiling? Are there special considerations, or is the magic triangle enough?
This is also assuming that the couch is in the middle of the room when 95% of the time its off the back wall, Id like you guys to talk about how the speakers are affected when this is the case. It is with me but I already combated this problem.I happen to have a 11.4 , 7.4.4 .But i also happen to have 4 heights which i can switch off with ceiling and front wides Thanks
@@cinema_sound5003 my room is 14 x 18. My room is all Def tech stuff, plus I review for AVS,so I have a constant influx of new gear. My AVR. Iss the Denon 6500 amps range from Emotiva to NAD. I can say its a delicate balance act making things give.
Great information. Thanks!
In general what should front and rear balance be like in a mix? How much lower are rear speakers? Say on orchestra balance strings brass etc?
I'd always subtract the rear by 25% in level. They usually mix rear content too loud. That is my experience. Adjust how YOU like it.
¿Are the back surround speakers the same as height speakers, is the same sound coming out of that cord or do you need to buy a receiver that has an extra height output from the back? please answer thanks!
Can’t you just calibrate your receiver to account for a different speaker placement
Of course. But how would you do that if you didn't have a receiver that had a built in calibration protocol and microphone?
Cinema_Sound You can manually do it by measuring your distance from each of the speakers and then putting it on the receiver, and I’m pretty sure that 90% of the people watching this today will have receivers that can do either of these features And if not go on eBay and spend 50 bucks to get a new receiver that can do this
what if your main wall is not straight it is angled so front right left center good and the couch is center where to put the rears at a angle ? or just behind the couch.
The subwoofer crawl is the best way to determine the best placement for compact bass.
does ypao or odessey mic calbibration changes this?
What if I have a 20x20x8 a square room. I can do the even distances but people are saying that a square room is not ideal for good acoustics especially bass response. I have dual subs btw.
whats the job of the lw and rw speakers in a 9.1 are they just duplicates of the l & r or are they satellite speakers? just curios cause i have two 5.1 soundbars and out of curiousity i hooked them up and its sounds quite frankly like im running two soundbars. was wondering what the best location of the other bar would be as i cant simply mute the bar without disabling the sub or the satellites if i wanted a 5.2 or a 7.2 wondering if i should mute one of the center channels on one of the bars also?
Almost every cinema reciever like denon Yamaha onkyo has YPAO. Doesn't the automated YPAO/mic audio calibration solve this problem entirely? Regarding different distances, delay and volume..
I'll have to refute your claim. Only models over $500 have that kind of capability. most poeple buy the cheap stuff.
The best thing is keeping speakers away from the floor and placing them above ear level
My room is 13' x10'........i have the tv on a 13ft wall side....the room is a rectangle....i cant figure out a good position for my 5.1 system...i know the basics...but sometimes the basics dont apply
What the correct position for ceiling speakers.
we've got a U shaped couch with the right side against the wall. so i guess its impossible to have good audio for everyone. unless i would mount everything on the ceiling, but wouldnt that sound weird tho?
I have a open floor in my condo so do i do this with home theater.
what a nice Speakers video it is!! Greetings from my heart
Thanks Mark, that helps a lot!
Excelente proyecto, los felicito sigan adelante, Saludos desde Venezuela.
I've question regarding soround
what do you think about newly release (immerse for cubase/nuendo)
I mean this one take picture for you earball :D
then allow you to put object in anyway not restricted to 5.1 or 7.1 or even larger scale sorround system
but just wondering if you know immerse or you can explain can we make 3d system exported to stereo?
or always we should export stereo version and sorround version
thank you (still taking cinema sound course I really really like this course )
Anas Alsayed thanks so much! I’m not totally sure what you’re asking. But when we mix we typically want to mix in surround because one way or another mixed tend to end up in some surround format. And going from stereo to surround is nowhere near as good as going surround to stereo.
@@cinema_sound5003 thx for your response
this helped me alot
regarding the 1st part, I was talking about ( immerse embody sorround plugin from nuendo/cubase which is released few days back) ^^ I feel confused if this is better or better to learn using SAD plugin mentioned in your course
For some reason. I had to place my side surround speaker above my ear about 1Meter to 1.2 Meter and i cant point it direct to my ear. Is it ok cause i often use my home theater for video game and what i look picture from manual it looks like should be on ear level?
The speaker setup in this video is crazy
those monitors? they are designed for mixing, not for home theater usage
This question is a bit different but maybe you can help me.
My movie was mixed in stereo but I am trying to decide for the movie theaters if I should select all the 5.1 even though it will not be in surround, would it still feel more subversive for the audience if the hear the audio not just from the front of theater but all around them. Again, I understand it will not be in surround.
I am concerned that even though I have my audio mixed well where I mixed with headphones and I would put my home surround on and mix audio with sub to make sure sub is not to bass heavy. I would keep my sub up at about halfway, so that was a guess, Lol.
What audio configuration do you think I should use?....I will be reloading my movie into a program that will convert movie to DCP, theater format and I can choose there all the speaker configurations.
I listened today with the L,R and Center channels and it sounded a bit mid rangy, somewhat muddy but not terrible.
if my fronts LCR are 10 feet and there is no 10 feet space for surrond only 6 feet one side and 6 feet other side what will be delay
(Do delay mean distance in avr or level in avr )
Wouldn't things like YPAO or Sony's auto calibration make speaker distance less of an issue than speaker angle?
What's the difference between your surround speakers and the rear ones ? My Klipsch 5.1, I was under the impression the 2 would be rear speakers. But this video says otherwise. Any light on this would be great !
In a 5.1 setup, the speakers are meant to go more to the side (anywhere between 85 to 120 degrees is good). In a 7.1, the 5.1 will still be on the side, and the extra two will be surrounds. I recommend placing the side surrounds anywhere between slightly in front to slightly behind your viewing position and facing toward each other, although if slightly behind you can try toeing them into the main listening position and see what you prefer. Try to avoid placing the speakers in a corner, although if you have to, make sure both are in a corner opposite wall from one another and not one in a corner and the other in the middle of the room for example. Lastly, be sure not to have anything block the speaker. If you can't see the speaker, you won't get optimal sound, but I'm sure that goes without saying. If setup correctly, even with a 5.1 you can get very good phantom surround sound where the sound envelops behind your head. 5.1 surrounds will have the side and surround audio information, while 7.1 will separate them, being more discrete.
@@mrchiledonut thank you. That really helps. Will try it your way !
@@pavanjacob84 Also worth noting, if your sound system doesn't allow you to set the distance for speakers, and you need to physically set them so they're equidistant to the listener, what I like to do is use a laser measuring tape, then from where I sit when watching movies/playing games, I point the laser from ear/head to each speaker so I know all the sound reaches my ear at about the same time. You may need another person to help with it, but not necessarily as long as you see your periphery for the surround speakers. If your room doesn't allow for optimal setup, then just do the best you can.
@@mrchiledonut great tip, I will let you know how I feel about it once I change the current set up. Need to pull them rear speakers off the all and get them mounted or on a stand to the side , will take sometime but I will come back to you with an update. Thanks heaps !
My mother and stepfather put all of the speakers in the front. I'm not allowed to touch the speakers.
4:16 I thought that was my baby haha
Went with Bi-polar rears and eliminated all the geometry needs. More expansive sound. Def Tech SR9040s are awesome. Just ensure your auto calibration on your receiver ignores these during setup as they confuse the AV unit.The included guide walks you through proper settings.
After watching this video i realized i need a new life, in which i could afford these things!
I don't have much space behind my couch and I'mthinking about the bipol speakers "Klipsch RP-402S" as the back speakers. Anyone knows if this could work with about 60cm betwen listener and speakers?
Very useful video, make it more! Congratz!
when I start to setup my 5.1 surrou d is it best to start with the center speaker to the listening position for the distance...or how do I determine the equidistance for the speakers?
@@cinema_sound5003 my room is small...and odd size....13x8
My problem Is my room no 4th wall, can't move listening position into the center of the room, only place for listening against back wall along with surround speakers
And Why don't we use floor standing speakers for are surround sound?
Man, is 2018 and av receivers can setup distance and delay, so you dont have to place speakers in the same distance of you
think the biggest problem when you set up your home theater is the center speaker, it will never be at the same level
in height than the others ... for obvious reasons, one of these reasons is
the screen, or you put that speaker underneath or on top of the tv
Agree with all, but impossible to do in... example, a bedroom, where you are with your back against the wall
If you're doing a 5.1 it should be okay. It's not optimal, but it'll be fine. If you're doing 7.1, yeah you can't have your back against a wall. Small room, if one wants surrounds, 5.1 is preferable.
What about the height of the speaker to listening position?
...or use the AV receiver to time correct phase for unequal distanced speakers
My back is against a wall. I listen only to movies. How should I place my rears? Should i use bookshelf speakers or those dual triangle like surround speakers?
Which is better? 5.1 home theatre setup or a Dolby Atmos sound bar (for a 10x14 room)?
Cinema Sound Thanks!
Hi i have 7.1 set up my rears on back wall are 4.5 feet above my ears and the side ones next to me are 2 feet above my ears should i drop the rear ones on the back wall down to same height as the middle back ?
Tom Fin no. It’s not necessary. It’s really more about the distance. Although if they’re up too high (over 30° to the listener) that can become an issue.
Cinema_Sound thanks for the reply what do you mean 30 ?
@@Samzep 30 degrees.
I think i will bring them down to same height as middle rear when I bring them down i will have them level with front main do i still angle them in slightly like main ?
What I think sound system is the life of music. In this creative video, they have utilized it shown properly. Best of luck from heart.
Understood the idea of the surround sound. My problem is that my speakers must be sealing mounted for aestetic reasons (my wife could explain). How do I proceed in this case? My couch is at about 7' from my TV and I want to prewire a 7.1 system. Thank you for the response.
G.C.
i just got logitech z906 (5.1), and i placed all 5 of them equidistant to me(like 8.2 feet), so i am in center of it...
but i cant place front left and front right speakes to be equidistant to them for this "magic triangle", distance between front left and front right speeker is 9.5 feet.
i didnt mounted them on wall yet, waiting for some better idea, so if there are some tips to make most of my place and speakers, feel free to help :)
Hi. My family room has 3 walls (front, right, back), the 4th side (left) is open to the kitchen. I have 2 identical subwoofers. One subwoofer is located at the front right of the room. My family room is 17' wide x 15' deep x 9' ceiling.
QUESTION: I have 2 locations that I can place the 2nd subwoofer. I read that option C is better but I would prefer option D below. Your thoughts?
C) the rear left of the room (I read that this is the preferred but the subwoofer would be an eyesore)
D) the rear right of the room (the subwoofer would be hidden.) Is it ok to place it here? Would it sound bad if both subwoofers are located at the front-right and rear-right of the room?
Thanks.
Auto-eq with time alignment fixes the bad speaker distances.
What about for those of us that like to mount everything in the ceiling or wall? I have 2 round Martin logan's in the ceiling above the couch and I want to put 2 in wall behind the couch and on the TV wall
My rear speakers are about twice as far away as my fronts in relation to my seating area. Does changing audio levels on the rears make up for the uneven distances between the speakers and listener?
Two changes have to be made to correct for this issue. First, you need to adjust the distance in the receiver to accurately represent the actual distance of the rear speakers to the listening position. Since they are at twice the distance, the sound will take twice as long to reach the listener. This is known as a time domain adjustment because you are basically telling the receiver to send the sound out of the rear speakers earlier so it reaches the listener at the appropriate time. The second adjustment that needs to be done is to turn up the volume to compensate for the increase in distance. You can achieve this balance via some receivers that can run a test and automatically do this for you, or you can buy a SPL meter (Sound Pressure Level meter), and run some tests yourself to set the volume to match the output of the front and side speakers.
Hi, I'll be placing my side speakers right next to the cauch and at 90 degree towards the listening position - I can't change that (wall mounted). What I'm planning to do is - place them 3 feet higher than my ear level so I gain a bit of a distance and ambience and resolve the "buddy blocking" problem. I also plan to aim the speakers at about 10 degree downwards - it will not aim at me, it will aim at about 2 feet above my ears. That way I hope it will be more "ambient" and not "direct" sound. I'm thinking on Dali Fazon. Any thoughts on that approach? Thank you in advance!
I have a 5.1 setup.. center, left, right anf then 2 rears mounted on the ceiling... they are all as close to perfect as o can get them lol my only question is how do i get the best sound for watching movies ? Any tips would be appreciated
I have a 5.1 setup too. Do you still have yours or did you upgrade since posting this comment?
I have klipsch surround speakers that fire two directions, same placement for them?
These speakers dont make sense having one side firing away from me, and i get neither of the treble speakers directly towards me, muddying the sounb a bit more then a directed monopole speaker would.
Also i have different speakers surround side and back as of now, where do I put the best speakers ?
I think on side surrounds as most content are 5.1
However 5.1 content with a 7.1 setup? The speakers are to the side not diagonally back, this screws up audio image?
@@cinema_sound5003 Thanks! So basicly bipoles for a 5.1 isn't to shabby, however the more speakers the more directional you would want em. Specially going from 5. to 7. as you fill out the big void. 7.1 has much more covrage percent wise, then say from 7.1 to 9.1 if that even excists. Prob not cuse its nots needed. 7.1 covers the whole lot.
So one pair is Bipole, my klipsch and my side surrounds are direct (xtz wall speakers)
What would i benefit the most out of, having the klipsch behind or as sides?
@@cinema_sound5003 And its annyoing, I can't disable the side surrounds without also disabling the back surround.
For 5.1 contet i think the side surrounds should go away and the back remain. However then I need to change terminal lol
Do the left and right as well as surround sound speakers have to be at the same height also? My left and right are about eye level, but I have a lot of stuff around and behind me, so the 7.1 surround speakers have to go up. Is it going to be okay? I also have everything equidistant👍
@@cinema_sound5003 I have the same problem, my rears cannot go behind and around me, have to go higher up, hope that shouldn't be much of a problem?
OK. You're "technique" for compensating for more than one person on the couch is wrong. What you're supposed to do (and what ALL theatres do) is raise the side fills and angle them down toward the farthest listening position. In this case, you would raise and angle the Left Side fill to point at the right end of the couch and vice versa for the Right Side fill.
Would have been nice if you demonstrated how to measure the angles for the surrounds in 5.1 and 7.1.
Yes, the side walls are raised ~20 degrees and the tweeter is angled toward the last seat in the row(s) (google search cinema surround speakers - notice how they are shaped? Actually the google search shows you in the third row exactly what they do. The back wall is also raised and angled down. Check it out next time you're in a theatre. This is to evenly distribute (as best as possible) high frequencies.
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i have 5.1.2 avr dolby atmos. the problem is i couldn't place them in side my ear (110 degrees). I can only do that in back about (135 degrees). is it okay?
@@cinema_sound5003 thank you. Btw i wanted to upgrade my speaker. Should i go to direct speaker or wide dispersion speaker. For back surround