Thank you for your "GTT Audio - Episode 78" video from a year ago, Your review guided me in buying the Vivid Giya G3 (secondhand) and you were soooooo right about how you describe the sound: the sound space (my room is sound treated) is enormous! The detail and separation of instruments is simply "WOW"! And the base, you were so right, the base image fills the room in 3D with nuances and imaging I never thought possible!!! As it does so for movies also! For the price point,,, it is a must! Compared to the FOCAL Grand Utopia (my dream speakers) I will say it's a good 20%--I may be wrong, but it's my best guess. Love your videos BTW.
WOW...at signed mint RUSH 2112!! So envious. Mid-minus rating? Very good plus? Why is minus better than VG? Where can I find this rating system explained? Thanks for a great video. I really wish ultrasonic cleaning was more affordable. Did you ever do a review of Ultra Sonic Cleaners?
Hello... And yes, that 2112 with all three signatures is one of my prized possesions! Record grading today is still based on the standards set by GoldMine magazine - linked here. www.goldminemag.com/collector-resources/collecting-101-grading-your-records. And sorry, no formal reviews of any Ultrasonic LP cleaners!
What would you recommend to get the calcium carbonate out of record grooves I have several records that when using a microscope there's a glass like reflective stuff in grooves witch I think is calcium buildup? Has anyone seem this before? Thanks
I use their premium one step no 6, and my extra large bottle of it is about out...so maybe I will try this in the degritter. Right now I am just using the no 6 to manually scrub on the nitty gritty, then give the record a 7 min 15 sec cycle in distilled water only in the degritter.
My two colleagues who use the Degritter and have tried the AIVA Enzymatic concentrate both report very good results. As with ANY such process, your milage may vary. It you try it, let us know what you think of the results. Thanks for watching, and for taking the time to write!
Greg. I followed the instructions and added 4MLs to 1 liter of distilled water however the water still beads up like there isn’t any surfactant in this solution. If it beads up then the tension isn’t broken up. Are you getting the same issue or do you see a flat shiny sheet when your record spins in the bath like it should look? I also called the company so I am waiting for an answer from them too. I have a feeling there isn’t any surfactant in this which would be an issue
I'm not sure what to tell you... With my Audio Desk Vinyl Cleaner Pro X, I observe no such beading while the LP is being cleaned. I'll be curious to see what you hear back from Osage on the matter. The most important thing is, to my way of thinking, is it effectively cleaning your LPs? I can say without hesitation that this is the most effective additive I've found for use with my Pro X. To me, that is all that *really* matters.
I think the issue was the degassing process needed to take place. After a few uses with the same water the beading changed to better coverage however based on what i read there isn’t any surfactants in it. It’s enzyme and pure water.
Greg, I have a question regarding your process of preparing to play a record. Specifically with ultra sonic cleaning, are you still brushing the surface post US cleaning and pre playback? Additionally, any thoughts on manufactured bristles vs natural? While relatively stiffer carbon fiber brushes do theoretically get deeper into grooves than say goats hair, is this necessarily a positive? My perspective on brushes is simply to remove any surface debris
Hello... So, TYPICALLY, once an LP has undergone its ultrasonic cleaning, it RARELY requires any further attention. I do have a Levin Design brush for the removal of an occasional piece of loose debris that may find its way onto my LP. But I sleeve my LPs immediately when not actually playing, and do everything I can in my room to minimize static build-up, including the use of my Zerostat, and I just don't have much cause to fuss with them that often. Sorry!
Wondering if in any of your past systems, traditional or ultrasonic, did you ever use Tergitol/Tegikleen.. it's one I'm familiar with and trying to place your review in context. Thanks.
Hello! Of course I played with all manner of surfactants, including Tergitol...I suspect you know that it is not - in and of itself - a "cleaning chemical," but rather a surfactant, a type of molecule that lowers the surface tension between two materials, in our use, liquids, water and the other cleaners, to enhance the "wetting" properties of the solution. www.theaudioanalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Legacy-LP-Cleaning-Fluids.jpg Keep in mind, I was a professional photographer from about 10 until my early 30s, and Photoflo was ALWAYS at hand, so my early formulation used it. I did use Tergitol later...but... Here is a link to a formulation I used with GREAT SUCCESS, regardless of the bold red warning that Duane Goldman - "The Disc Doctor," urged SoundStage! to post to cover any litigation that he insisted would follow "when" people ruined their records using it... NO SUCH ISSUES WERE EVER REPORTED, so... ☺ www.soundstagenetwork.com/synergize/synergize041998.htm
No. I meant what I said, “…further conversations with Jim revealed that he has found it safe to use up to something on the order of 15 ML per gallon of distilled water. ” Starting at ~13:02 - ua-cam.com/video/3sM0oxz18kw/v-deo.htmlsi=3zxUTX5D__gOeyxv&t=782
I don't know how much difference there is between the Kirmuss Ulttrasonic machine and others. What I do know is that a BIG part of the Kirmuss system is the application of a propane based fluid - between repeated ultrasonic baths. If you watch his videos, there are repeated treatments out of the ultrasonic tank with that fluid, before each repeated ultrasonic bath...
Of course. You can use it with ANY ultrasonic cleaner. Some people may have concerns about warranty coverage (check your manual), but honestly, I don't see how any biological formulation could POSSIBLY harm any mechanism or seal in any machines. And you can always just not bring up the fact that you were using a different brand of concentrate... 😏
@@theaudioanalyst I use Thermo Scientific™ NERL™ High Purity Water in my Klaudio which is definitely more costly than this stuff. Maybe I'll try it the next time I need to change the water bath.
We're not talking about the water you choose to use - we're discussing the concentrate used WITH the water. Using water alone, as the KLAudio system is designed is fine, but the addition of this enzyme-based additive REALLY makes a difference. The enzymatic action affords a biological digestion process that breaks down the microbial attachment of fungi and bacteria, leaving the record a non-supportive surface for those kinds of contaminants, which are much more prevalent on older, vintage LPs.
@@theaudioanalyst My point was that I use water only with no cleaning solution added. I had an Audio Desk but in my opinion, the Klaudio does a better job.
@@marknachmias423And again, while I get and have verified that understanding in my earlier response ("Using water alone, as the KLAudio system is designed is fine, but..."), we are talking about the addition of the enzyme-based additive. Not the machine, not the water, but a biological treatment that works because of its biological digestion process, breaking down the microbial attachment of fungi and bacteria on your records.
Thank you for the nice explanation and my experience, Audio Desk is best than any others.
Thank YOU for watching and writing! 😊
Thank you for your "GTT Audio - Episode 78" video from a year ago, Your review guided me in buying the Vivid Giya G3 (secondhand) and you were soooooo right about how you describe the sound: the sound space (my room is sound treated) is enormous! The detail and separation of instruments is simply "WOW"! And the base, you were so right, the base image fills the room in 3D with nuances and imaging I never thought possible!!! As it does so for movies also! For the price point,,, it is a must! Compared to the FOCAL Grand Utopia (my dream speakers) I will say it's a good 20%--I may be wrong, but it's my best guess. Love your videos BTW.
I also recently switched to this cleaning fluid.
WOW...at signed mint RUSH 2112!! So envious.
Mid-minus rating? Very good plus? Why is minus better than VG? Where can I find this rating system explained? Thanks for a great video. I really wish ultrasonic cleaning was more affordable. Did you ever do a review of Ultra Sonic Cleaners?
Hello... And yes, that 2112 with all three signatures is one of my prized possesions!
Record grading today is still based on the standards set by GoldMine magazine - linked here. www.goldminemag.com/collector-resources/collecting-101-grading-your-records.
And sorry, no formal reviews of any Ultrasonic LP cleaners!
Record hygiene is essential to getting the most from them.
Just another part to the ritual that is part and parcel of system maintenance.
What would you recommend to get the calcium carbonate out of record grooves I have several records that when using a microscope there's a glass like reflective stuff in grooves witch I think is calcium buildup? Has anyone seem this before? Thanks
I use their premium one step no 6, and my extra large bottle of it is about out...so maybe I will try this in the degritter. Right now I am just using the no 6 to manually scrub on the nitty gritty, then give the record a 7 min 15 sec cycle in distilled water only in the degritter.
My two colleagues who use the Degritter and have tried the AIVA Enzymatic concentrate both report very good results. As with ANY such process, your milage may vary. It you try it, let us know what you think of the results. Thanks for watching, and for taking the time to write!
Greg. I followed the instructions and added 4MLs to 1 liter of distilled water however the water still beads up like there isn’t any surfactant in this solution. If it beads up then the tension isn’t broken up. Are you getting the same issue or do you see a flat shiny sheet when your record spins in the bath like it should look? I also called the company so I am waiting for an answer from them too. I have a feeling there isn’t any surfactant in this which would be an issue
I'm not sure what to tell you... With my Audio Desk Vinyl Cleaner Pro X, I observe no such beading while the LP is being cleaned. I'll be curious to see what you hear back from Osage on the matter. The most important thing is, to my way of thinking, is it effectively cleaning your LPs? I can say without hesitation that this is the most effective additive I've found for use with my Pro X. To me, that is all that *really* matters.
I think the issue was the degassing process needed to take place. After a few uses with the same water the beading changed to better coverage however based on what i read there isn’t any surfactants in it. It’s enzyme and pure water.
Greg, I have a question regarding your process of preparing to play a record. Specifically with ultra sonic cleaning, are you still brushing the surface post US cleaning and pre playback?
Additionally, any thoughts on manufactured bristles vs natural?
While relatively stiffer carbon fiber brushes do theoretically get deeper into grooves than say goats hair, is this necessarily a positive? My perspective on brushes is simply to remove any surface debris
Hello... So, TYPICALLY, once an LP has undergone its ultrasonic cleaning, it RARELY requires any further attention. I do have a Levin Design brush for the removal of an occasional piece of loose debris that may find its way onto my LP. But I sleeve my LPs immediately when not actually playing, and do everything I can in my room to minimize static build-up, including the use of my Zerostat, and I just don't have much cause to fuss with them that often. Sorry!
No apologies needed. This was the answer I assumed, but wanted confirmed. Thanks!@@theaudioanalyst
Wondering if in any of your past systems, traditional or ultrasonic, did you ever use Tergitol/Tegikleen.. it's one I'm familiar with and trying to place your review in context. Thanks.
Hello! Of course I played with all manner of surfactants, including Tergitol...I suspect you know that it is not - in and of itself - a "cleaning chemical," but rather a surfactant, a type of molecule that lowers the surface tension between two materials, in our use, liquids, water and the other cleaners, to enhance the "wetting" properties of the solution.
www.theaudioanalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Legacy-LP-Cleaning-Fluids.jpg
Keep in mind, I was a professional photographer from about 10 until my early 30s, and Photoflo was ALWAYS at hand, so my early formulation used it. I did use Tergitol later...but... Here is a link to a formulation I used with GREAT SUCCESS, regardless of the bold red warning that Duane Goldman - "The Disc Doctor," urged SoundStage! to post to cover any litigation that he insisted would follow "when" people ruined their records using it... NO SUCH ISSUES WERE EVER REPORTED, so... ☺
www.soundstagenetwork.com/synergize/synergize041998.htm
Do you mean Osage recommends up to 15ml per liter and not per gallon?
No. I meant what I said, “…further conversations with Jim revealed that he has found it safe to use up to something on the order of 15 ML per gallon of distilled water. ”
Starting at ~13:02 - ua-cam.com/video/3sM0oxz18kw/v-deo.htmlsi=3zxUTX5D__gOeyxv&t=782
Interesting product. What is the difference between this and the type of record cleaning Charles Kirmuss' machine does?
I don't know how much difference there is between the Kirmuss Ulttrasonic machine and others. What I do know is that a BIG part of the Kirmuss system is the application of a propane based fluid - between repeated ultrasonic baths. If you watch his videos, there are repeated treatments out of the ultrasonic tank with that fluid, before each repeated ultrasonic bath...
Can you use it with a Klaudio?
Of course. You can use it with ANY ultrasonic cleaner. Some people may have concerns about warranty coverage (check your manual), but honestly, I don't see how any biological formulation could POSSIBLY harm any mechanism or seal in any machines. And you can always just not bring up the fact that you were using a different brand of concentrate... 😏
@@theaudioanalyst I use Thermo Scientific™ NERL™ High Purity Water in my Klaudio which is definitely more costly than this stuff. Maybe I'll try it the next time I need to change the water bath.
We're not talking about the water you choose to use - we're discussing the concentrate used WITH the water. Using water alone, as the KLAudio system is designed is fine, but the addition of this enzyme-based additive REALLY makes a difference. The enzymatic action affords a biological digestion process that breaks down the microbial attachment of fungi and bacteria, leaving the record a non-supportive surface for those kinds of contaminants, which are much more prevalent on older, vintage LPs.
@@theaudioanalyst My point was that I use water only with no cleaning solution added. I had an Audio Desk but in my opinion, the Klaudio does a better job.
@@marknachmias423And again, while I get and have verified that understanding in my earlier response ("Using water alone, as the KLAudio system is designed is fine, but..."), we are talking about the addition of the enzyme-based additive. Not the machine, not the water, but a biological treatment that works because of its biological digestion process, breaking down the microbial attachment of fungi and bacteria on your records.