The Black Cauldron - Disney's Halloween Masterpiece
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2018
- feel like Vin Diesel hit the block then I drift through
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RE-UP OF THE RE-UP BUT THIS TIME IT'S STAYING
THANK YOU TO THE GOOD FOLX AT DISNEY FOR CLAIMING THIS THREE TIMES
EDIT: LITERALLY JUST NOTICED THAT I SAID 17TH CENTURY BUT I MEANT 16TH CENTURY WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT HENRY VIII I HAVE NO IDEA HOW I MISSED THAT IN MY PROOF READ LMFAO I AM SO SORRY
BREADSWORD love your videos, thanks for being amazing 😁
So what'd you have to remove to get is the " *DISNEY SEAL OF APPROVAL©* "?
If you put a filter over clips usually you can get around CR claims
disney doesn't really want to acknowledge this film but they will flag videos on it.
Can't even talk about a film without getting taken down through copy-write. what a world we live in, thanks for the re-upload love you analysis.
>Disney
>pretends black cauldron doesn't exist
>someone makes a video about it
>'that's ours.exe'
>copyright claim
>still pretend movie doesn't exist
When they say 'it's about our copyright' and ends up in plain simple corporate censorship.
Over the past few years, it seems like Disney have realised that a fandom for this film exists and has released some merch for it. In 2015, they released a limited edition 30th anniversary pin of the Horned King. I've got that pin and it is a really nice looking pin. Also, a few years ago, Disney released a limited line of DVD re-releases with a slipcover that has a picture of the villain on it in the UK and The Black Cauldron was included in this collection.
Did he have to use the most obnoxious "don't copyright this" mechanism ever devised, though? I want to throw that cat-girl thing out of a skyscraper.
@@kylefrank638 Ditto.
Accurate.
Disney: "We don't care about The Black Cauldron"
Also Disney: "We're going to sue you into oblivion if you use footage from The Black Cauldron for what's clearly fair use"
makes sense
@@hardluck8732 What if you weren't a worthless fucking Nazi? Wouldn't that be better instead?
Before I passed out, what I saw was a long passage of the movie where he audibly describes what is happening in the movie, with annoying bullshit flittering to slightly obscure the footage. The essay had ground to a halt and useful information came to an end. He stopped his review and was just doing play by play. Clearly not "fair use". Disney was right to file a claim with UA-cam. And should again.
@@MickDansforth I disagree, I think the context of the scenes was important to proving the points of the video essay. Understanding what was going on in them helped put the essay into context. But then again, the ambiguity of fair use is why businesses are able to claim so many videos on youtube.
@@GaryFromLiberty Apparently you watched longer than I did. For at least 7 minutes after the anime girls appear on screen he is just giving a play by play and the essay stopped dead. That is far too long to go without making a point.
@@GaryFromLiberty Also his play by play is just going to make it harder for other people actually making points with their fair use clips.
Despite its flop in America, the film was very successful in Japan. It's even been suggested that the design of "The Legend of Zelda" video games was inspired by this film.
I thought of Legend of Zelda when I watch it!
Was reminded of Dark Souls, but yeah, Zelda seems like a thing.
That's actually fact. This film and peter pan were big influences for Zelda
The only zelda esc movie we will ever get.
Don't forget Sleeping Beauty and Maleficent's various Goons that are almost certainly the analogues which the Moblins, Stalfos, and Zoras were inspired by!
“Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten.” -G.K. Chesterton, whose quote was put at the beginning of the Coraline book
but i like being the dragon
Alan Watts was into him. I may look into him more.
Absolute F for him
The author of the books, Lloyd Alexander, actually really liked the Movie because "it was totally unlike my story, but had the spirit." So he may have been with you on that accuracy thing Breadsword.
That's usually what I look for in an adaptation as a reader. Not a "This isn't like the book! waaah!" But more if it captured the spirit of the source material in tone and theme.
That's why middle of the road adaptations leave a bad taste in most mouths, like Death Note: Netflix greenlit this shit edition. It didn't hold the spirit of the manga or anime, none of the characters had the same feel or proper motivations, and the plot was super convoluted. It wasn't a good adaptation of the original story. But even then, it didn't capture the spirit. It wasn't the world as a chessboard in a game played by two geniuses on their individual paths to projecting their version of justice. It was about a dumbass who didn't even want to become a harbinger of death and justice. Had they changed the actual plot, but kept it as tight and smart as the original, we'd probably love the writers for making a good movie.The diehard fans of the original (or maybe the complete opposite) wouldn't like that it didn't have the same plot, but if it was done well, it wouldn't have mattered.
Here, as long as an adaptation gets the spirit right, the gloominess of the world, the dread brought by the evils within, and the hero rising to bring light, and the story is good, we'll love it as an adaptation.
It's kinda like Howl's Moving Castle; vastly different, but keeping the tone and, as you said, spirit of the original. When I see an adaptation, I expect changes and am excited to see if they keep to the spirit and improve upon the story. Less like the piece of shit Percy Jackson Films(which change so much that it's barely recognizable) and more like Alita: Battle Angel(where they establish things that didn't come until much later in the original story and format then so the new story fliws better.)
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Glad the author understands
TWELVE MINUTES OF COMPLETED ANIMATION -- GONE? For the unaware, at 12 frames per second (standard for traditional animation), that means 8640 completed, hand drawn images, with all the sounds synced up and all the effects baked in, were just.... gone. If this film was done at 24 frames per second, or had sequences of 24 mixed in, that could be almost double the number! I can't imagine that.
O_______O that so many drawings
What a loss 😳 it would make a whole different movie, more powerful and understandable as well as an artistic result...
It’s criminal, that’s absolutely absurd to cut 12 minutes of ANIMATION like it’s nothing.
The guy that arrogantly ordered the film cut is a complete wanker.
Neerrd! Lol nah, it's actually party cool that you know that. So much time, effort, and talent wasted! They should have saved it, then (10?)years later released the uncut (and unrated?) version. That way at least the work is out there.
It legitimately upsets me, like very deeply, how eviscerated this film is. It angers me because even without this video essay, watching the film by itself you can pick out how disjointed and bizarre the plot it, how the characters seem to be hollow shells when they weren't in the original cut, and the huge potential that this movie had.
I think what irritates me the most is that even Walt himself complained that he had branded his animation so successfully, that he was only allowed in the court of public opinion to make light-hearted fairy tales and nothing else. While watching To Kill a Mockingbird, Walt was quoted as saying "That's the kind of movie I wish I could make!" Even in the early films, you can see Walt trying to push the boundaries set for them. This movie comes along after a massive slump after Walt's death, and it was a golden opportunity to not only reignite the public passion for Disney, but also kindof redirect what Disney animation was about. The animation could still be amazing, the plot and characters memorable, but the movie could appeal to more people than just children and annoying helicopter parents. The first rated-R Disney film? That sounds great! And anyone who says "Disney would've hated The Black Cauldron's original form," I completely disagree. Remember, even Walt himself wanted to branch out and make more mature material. But then dumb parents whined that it was too violent, and this movie gets destroyed in editing, by some guy who has no idea how animation works and has not earned the respect of Disney's animators to begin with, and completely rips it to shreds. It's so incredibly disappointing.
This alone is why we still need 2-D animators. I don't think anyone would be upset if all that deleted content was reanimated back into this film. Any of it that is "lost," just have animators redraw it and match it to the film. Other than "money" and "we don't care," there is really no logical reason why this shouldn't happen.
It's not just overreacting puritan parents of yesteryears... you also have to contend with SJW / feminist jerkweeds of today. This kind of Western animated movie was just never gonna succeed unless it was INDEPEDENTLY funded. But major Hollywood studios always want that widest demographic reach for their movies... the PG / PG-13 range. It's only in Japan and partailly in Europe where you see mature 2D animated movies reach full potential. But in America... it's NEVER gonna be the thing.
I guess it make sense why "animation is ONLY for kids" stigma is one of the BIGGEST flaws of what animation is all about. I would like to see the Disney animated adaptation to _To Kill The Mockingbird._ Too bad that's not going to happen since parents weren't accepted about the "maturity" towards kids because they don't want to expose the truth about what reality looks like until they grow up without any knowledge of how the real world works and the parents want to keep their kids out of it to make sure they are "safe" which it's ironically a big risk to their mental state of mind and once the children grew up without maturity, they become hostile and weak.
Children are people too -- they are human beings just like all of us. They need to learn more about what reality is all about before they need to grow up and enter the real world.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth why on earth would "SJW's" be upset about this movie? Honestly I agree with your overall point but this just makes you sound whiney
I completely agree with your statement. I always said that there may be individuals at Disney or in the field of animation in general willing to push the boundaries and create an array of diverse content but it is the people in charge who are vehemently against it. We ill never get another show like Avatar the last air bender because people underestimate the intelligence of children and we wont get movies like what the Black Cauldron should have been or Treasure Planet because either the powers at be dont want it to exist or overactive drama queen parents.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth
No, it has everything to do with whiney parents. Politics are not relevant.
>John enters editor's room
"John, what are you doing"
"John"
"John stop"
*"John"*
Lol!
this movie is a wholeass dungeons and dragons campaign
This made me laugh harder than it should have.
n00bs play dungeons and dragons more like.
I call bullshit because their bard didn't attempt to seduce every NPC
LOL XD
I'd fucking play in that campaign.
So sad Disney keeps claiming this video, it’s a really well made analysis of the black cauldron.
I didn't even knew this was striked
They must be still embarrassed.
Thank you so much! Fingers crossed this time it's allowed some breathing room LMAO
Seriously! I hope the extra steps you added to avoid copyright pan out this time
I just don’t understand why, I get that the original version of the film was graphic, but it’s not like it’s going to ruin their reputation or anything.
can we all just agree on one thing that John Hurt was the perfect casting choice for the horned king. that character and his voice terrifies me to this day
Definitely. A very terrifying antagonist
THe fact that the animation team had to suffer so much through this is truly awful. This film, despite its short and "simple" premise, is one of my favorite works because of how many different techniques are used int eh animation, as well as the beautiful backgrounds and the effort put into movement for characters and clothing. The fact that their new "bosses" were making such ludicrous demands is truly disheartening.
This movie was a visual breakthrough for disney because it was(as far as I know) THE FIRST hand drawn film by Walt Disney Animation Studios to integrate cgi into the has drawn animation
Is it too late to re-release the black cauldron, but with all the original scenes, dialogue, and animations that were cut out and changed? That would honestly be really awesome. I think it needs to be done.
Agreed!
It’s probably all locked away in the Disney vault you would just need to persuade someone with the authority to re release it. (Easier said then done)
It also could have been lost but that would suck
@@elissabowdove2121 I doubt a full theatrical, or Even DVD/BD release would happen, but if Disney released the original cut (if it still exists) on Disney plus, God knows I would do everything I could to watch it and pay for it, even when there are no plans to release the service on Latin America on the near future
Disney as it stands now will NEVER do it. In recent years Disney has strayed even farther somehow from what they were. There's no heart in it anymore and it's all cash grabs. The last animated film Disney people made (not just Disney owned) was Moana and even though I think it was a fantastic film it did not take new leaps like Disney used to. With the last few and next few years all being live action remakes of movies that already made millions I don't see this direction changing any time soon.
The Black Cauldron didn't almost kill Disney, Katsinberg did. By trying to suppress the full potential of this movie and make it another "Disney kids film,"Katsinberg went against everything the Disney company was. Every Golden age Disney movie was a masterpiece because it pushed boundaries and brought something new to animation. Disney created movies that were so intense in visuals,music and tone that he could control the exact emotion that he wanted the audience to have scene by scene. For Katsinberg to no only completely missunderstand this key to Disney movies,but to ignor it and generalize the movies to make a money making formula, clearly shows his short comings as a Disney leader. Thank goodness The Black Cauldron out survived him, even though it could never be what it once was.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 Although that is true, most remakes now are live action. Remaking The black cauldron now would make the movie:
1. Possibly be like every other gritty,dark and edgy Disney movie.
2. Be live action, therefore not being the first R Disney movie.
On top of that, the damage has already been done. With the way the company is now there is no way they would allow an R rated animated, or in this case CGI, Disney movie. And even if they did make an R rated Black cauldron they would need to find the old scenes that were cut if they hadn't already been lost to time.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 You also forget that the remakes are a cash grab. Therefore they only remake movies that are popular. Yes you could argue that this is a cult classic and if alot of people show interest in a remake, then they may remake it. However, this is a black list film, the film that the Disney company, mostly you know who, loves to be remembered as the Disney film that almost killed the company. In all honesty this movie probably won't and shouldn't be remade by the Disney company.
The weird part of is was that he should have known better. The LOTR reading/watching, Led Zeppelin listening, D&D playing teenagers of the late 70s and early 80s were the original target audience. And PG-13 wasn't even a thing yet. I don't know if it was to distance themselves from what Bakshi was doing at the time, or trying to desperately bandaid their market share after the also spooky Secret of NIMH after they missed the first major fantasy window or what. But it reeks of compromise. I was one of the people on the petitions back in the 90s to release it on home video, because I saw it as a kid (and had the book record thing, which is obviously what I listened to more than I ever watched the movie as a kid) and I did greatly love it. But as an adult, you can just see the holes where someone that we KNOW in this day and age was a ruthless asshole caused too much compromise to happen...but we can shove some of that blame on Eisner as well. Remember it was during this movie's production that he infamously said ""We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art. We have no obligation to make a statement. To make money is our only objective."
Um Guys, you keep talking about whether or not Disney would ever remake the Black Cauldron, but the thing is.....they are: variety.com/2016/film/news/chronicles-of-prydain-movie-disney-1201733058/
So yeah, for good or ill, its happening.
@@lordeaa4603 🤦Well let's at least hope they make the movie good by allowing the people making the movie to do there job without an unnecessary power Trip this time.
Cutting 12 minutes of hand drawn frames of animation is a crime against humanity, on par with cancelling a critically acclaimed cartoon series after only, if not even, 1 season.
If the cuts still exist, I would pay full price for a full release or Blu-ray of the uncut movie, even though I have only been made aware of this movie's existence 2 hours ago. I'm a sucker for dark fantasy, and this film has my full attention. #ReleaseTheCut #FleshMelting
Exactly. I'd pay double to have the full complete picture released.
Give us that melted flesh goodness!!!!
Here's The Black Cauldron Theatrical/Uncut 4K UHD BLU-RAY Petition Campaign! ua-cam.com/video/Eo0JBiKLucc/v-deo.html
The dvd copy is the film I remember as a kid that was on vhs
I am Welsh and Welsh is my first language. I watched this when I was a kid and I had no idea it was Welsh because of course they got voice actors who couldn’t pronounce the Welsh names. So sad considering this is the closest ‘The Mabinogion’ will ever get to having a mainstream film adaption. The source material for this film, The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander was heavily inspired by them. ‘Prydain’ is LITERALLY the Welsh word for ‘Britain’. God. So sad how Welsh mythology in general is either forgotten about or is amalgamated into being ‘Arthurian’ legends so England can claim them too. 🙄 I hate it.
If it helps, as a swede I love the books and the world they painted.
I didn't know Prydain means Britain. I never knew how the names and words should be pronounced, but this gives a clue. I've never seen the movie, only read the books. I'll see it if I ever have a chance.
Growing up, I listened to folklore and tales of magic and mischief from my Cymraes grandmother (speaker of Welsh and Gaelic (Scot))...the first really amazing artifact I remember from her as a kid was a carved wooden wizard named "Gwilliam." I'd say the world in general is too, if I'm getting the phrase right, "chwit-chwat" to fully appreciate the varied rich awesome flavors of all the Welsh mythos. Like you, not all have forgotten them. %-) Warm winds to you and yours...tan tro nesa!
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'So sad how Welsh mythology in general is either forgotten about or is amalgamated into being ‘Arthurian’ legends so England can claim them too. 🙄 I hate it.' -I get what you're saying, but also worth noting that King Arthur was a 'celtic' Briton, i.e. Welsh.
I grew up believing that The Black Cauldron, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and Treasure Planet were awesome movies. It was not until I was nearly an adult that I was made privy to the realization of how ashamed of these films Disney is... despite them being their most creative and mature films. All of them had a unique aesthetic that allowed these films to stand out. You can never confuse a scene from any of these movies with the other Disney films or the various dime bin knockoffs that came out along side them. You see a shot of Treasure Planet, you know you are in the world of Treasure Planet. You see a shot from Atlantis: The Lost Empire, you know exactly what film you are watching. And the same goes for The Black Cauldron. I mean, for me personally, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, Tarzan, The Lion King, etc... are the only "Disney Renaissance" era films I actually can still enjoy. I never liked any of the older ones and don't care too much for the new CGI ones... I wanted to like the Princess and The Frog... but they ruined that movie for me... pretty thoroughly.... In short, I would really like to see Disney return to *hand drawn* 2D films, perhaps with a mix of CGI in the near future... I don't mind the CGI ones( I also love Toy Story and the Incredibles), just think that their strength and the uniqueness of their art styles lays more with hand drawn films... the Deep Canvas Animation style should have been the direction Disney chose to go with... just my two cents...
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The only real problem with Atlantis: The Lost Empire was that when we actually got to Atlantis, we had to go through so many different beats and plot points at the same time, that it really feels like the movie was meant to be a two-parter story. The first film introducing us to the characters and gaining sympathy for them, even the villains, and have it end with getting to Atlantis. With a second film showing more of Atlantean culture and everything else. The film was far less story driven, and far more character driven. And watching the film, especially the first act and a half, the character interactions are what make it great.
wιѕegυy I used to only somewhat like hunchback but as an adult it and beauty and the beast are two of my favorite Disney movies from their absolutely gorgeous visuals to their perfect soundtracks
@@cretinouscretin9677 If you've seen the making of footage for Atlantis, that's not far off. The production team got so caught up in the journey _to_ Atlantis that they made far too much of it and were forced to cut a _lot_.
Disney exects are all idiots. Oh for the vision and mind of Walt to be back!
i still remember going to see treasure planet at the cinema. loved it. its shame disney completely stopped these cartoon movies to replace them with 3d animation. 3d animation is good, i couldnt imagine toy story without it for example, but i think its a shame that style completely died out.
Instead of remaking movies like Beauty and the Beast or Lion King that were successful and worked perfectly for animation, Disney should honestly remake their less successful features that would lend well to live action...like Black Cauldron. And Atlantis and Treasure Planet!!!
Luna Pyrope - it’s so sad to see Disney turn it’s head from its hand drawn animation and run headlong into bland remakes. Though I do think those films would be good live action, the problem is that Disney is playing it super safe and won’t even touch those I bet.
Yeah, they are remaking their biggest hits because they know it will draw a crowd and make $$$.
IMO, the best live action Disney movies (PotC: Curse of the Black Pearl, TRON Legacy) were made with little oversight from Disney itself. The tighter control they take over production, the more monotonous the result. Which gives me hope that maybe they'll let a smaller creative team remake these films as throwaways after the big ones have all been done, and that team will be able to actually do them justice.
Your wish came true, Treasure Planet is getting a live action remake
@@sydb.9016 I'm cautiously optimistic. It's not a musical, so it should be pretty easy to adapt, but I'm worried they'll flatten the world. It's been a while since the big Steampunk boom, and some of the alien designs are "harder" since they move away from being hominid. Sure, Disney has the money, but they're not brave enough to take the leap on a remake of a movie that underperformed. I sincerely doubt they'll make it as close a remake as their other cash grabs.
Amen fellow loved of movies!!! Remake the unheard of older movies! Oliver and Company included.
My uncle was an animator for Disney, and he was involved in The Black Cauldron. The Horned King is fucking amazing. There were mis-steps yes, but I think it was a beautifully brilliant, creepy movie that was underrated. And not just because of the family significance.
Ah yes, my favorite Halloween movie
Happy feet.
Too bad there isn't a directors cut of this
OR LIKE AT LEAST A BLU RAY RELEASE, I MEAN COME ON
I bet this is super difficult to do with older animated films - it makes me wonder if they actually shot completed scenes for the cut parts, or just animatics. The way the story is told, it sounds like there should be reels of stuff hiding somewhere begging for a release. However, what I know about older animation practices, I doubt this is true.
It seems like this was a fairly nonstandard production though, I’d love to see an ‘unrated’ version!
@@andyrichter2714 there is apparently a guy with the original cut in black and white but he hasnt made it public. hes probably one of the guys who worked on it i dont remember the name
@@Rayder2341 I desperately hope he releases it someday soon.
@@elizabethashley42 same i watched the black cauldron a ton of times as a kid on vhs and i always like to see original versions/directors cuts
damn getting this movie out to the public was almost as difficult as you getting this video about this movie out to us lmao! it really is cursed
LEGITIMATELY IT FELT CURSED LMFAO but at least it finally dropped!
@@BREADSWORD Ha, a legit-seeming curse is VERY Halloween :P
BREADSWORD is there anywhere to watch your original video? Before having to reupload
The story of Eisner's coup and Katzenberg storming the editing room really brings to mind the anecdotes David Lynch has often repeated about the production of the Elephant Man, and how Mel Brooks (yes, that Mel Brooks) was perhaps the best producer he's ever worked with. Such as not only getting Lynch the final cut anyway despite it not being in his original contract, but also one occasion in which Brooks was showing a work print of the film to Paramount executives, who immediately started requesting alterations to the film and to whom Brooks replied:
"We are involved in a business venture. We screened the film for you, to bring you up to date as to the status of that venture. Do not misconstrue this as our soliciting the input of raging primitives."
Needless to say, given that Lynch getting the final cut was already mentioned, Brooks fought off all the attempts to change the film.
I would kill for a re release of the uncut version of The Black Cauldron. Already being one of Disneys most terrifying films suddenly becoming even more so?? ABSOLUTELY YES
Yeah I'm watch it
It's ironic that Disney is forcing you to recut a video about a film that was recut.
tyjuji and claiming copyright on a movie they try to pretend doesn’t exist.
It's ironic that you don't know what irony is.
Situational irony.
Could you imagine if this movie had been left intact and defined Disney for the next 30 years as opposed to the Little Mermaid? What would Disney be today if they had broken their animated story mold nearly two decades early? Sure there are hints of that in the climax of the "Great Mouse Detective" but I've thought for years that the Black Cauldron was a terribly underrated Disney film and that it was always just a few steps away from being brilliant.
It's nice to hear another voice that followed the breadcrumbs left by the film.
The Great Mouse Detective was my favorite (after Hercules) growing up. It had so much. If I had seen The Black Cauldron as I child I would have been obsesssed.
The more I learn about Katzenberg, the less I like the guy
I personally want him to be punished for all of the horrible things he has done and all of the amazing movies he has ruined.
Back when I was a teenager, I thought that the Black Cauldron was an inspiration for the Legend of Zelda series.
Mostly because of how the Green tunic design of the boy and the blonde haired design of the girl.
People tell me that Peter Pan was the inspiration for the Legend of Zelda series, but I personally think the Black Cauldron is a bit of a stronger inspiration for the Legend of Zelda series.
Especially how the film was made during the early 1980s making this a more recent inspiration of the video game series that was made around the right time that Miyamoto and others may have seen at the cinema in Kyoto when coming up with ideas for the Famicom games.
Gotta love those dancing anime cat girls. Truly, they were the best part of the Black Cauldron.
if not the best they were absolutely the second best addition they made to its final cut
BREADSWORD What anime is she from? I'm asking for a friend... Wait, you can be your own friend right?
She is Cyan from Show By Rock.
@@ChipsMcClive thank you, another cultured person from the internet
I laughed a good 5 minutes after pausing them since their appearance was in total contrast to the seriousness of the tone that BREADSWORD was speaking in and the movie was showing.
Same suits that tried to kill off the Black Cauldron succeeded in killing the Traditional Animation department two decades later...
Cycada Acolyte Katzenberg wasn't involved with that.
Also Katzenberg presided over Disney Animation during its Renaissance so it's hard to call him a hack. He just took one look at The Black Cauldron, saw it didn't belong with "the Disney Brand" and immediately despised it.
He's a hell of a businessman but he really doesn't have an artistic bone in his body.
@@mixmastermind personally I'd credit the Disney renaissance more so to Frank Wells than Petty Asshole™ (Katzenberg) So I personally have no trouble or grievances over calling him a hack.
Burn them at the stake
@@adelemon4409 from one Hannah to another, you said it girl 👧 👏
They got what they wanted, it just took 20 years longer than they hoped. Wouldn't it be ironic if it took Don Bluth to change things yet again?
I remember watching this movie when I was very, very little at my cousin's house, maybe 6 years old. I was terrified but I loved every second of what I saw and that initial reaction has never changed, the horned king is just as terrifying as when I was little and the triumph over him (Especially his death scene) still sends shivers down my spine.
That said I didn't know this movie was based off a book series but I desperately want to read it.
I read the books as a kid and they are awesome. I re-read them as adult and they're awesome. :)
wow Breadsword out here making me cry with any video he releases
pls stop i can't
rewatching "Over the Garden Wall" is now my personal Halloween tradition, there is nothing which so fully captures that liminal nature of Halloween for me
YOOOOO I LOVE OVER THE GARDEN WALL SO MUCH
So much of this film reminds me of the Lich from adventure time.
@@BREADSWORD Please make a video about Over the Garden Wall. I tried showing it to my folks, but they didn't see why I loved it so much. (Not helped by them bailing halfway through).
hey, same
@@DrPumpkinz idk most people ive shown it to didnt really like/hate it but i just absolutely love the atmosphere
Bro how can Disney keep striking this video, but literally the ENTIRE MOVIE is on UA-cam in parts?
Maybe
My older brother first showed me this film when I was 19. Once he finally realized that while it was a huge part of his childhood, I was barely walking when it came out.
The only part of this amazing film that I don’t like, is the fact that my childhood was empty of it . . .
They failed, fought, bickered and tantrummed the Black Cauldron into the most perfect animated film I have ever seen.
From childhood to adulthood, this movie speaks to you and takes you away to a magical world of fantasy, because it is so accidentally real in its relationships.
I rarely watch any UA-cam video longer than 20 minutes, unless it’s from a creator I follow and greatly enjoy.
I didn’t realize this was an hour long until I was 5 minutes into. And I’m glad I didn’t notice the run time!
This is, at the same time, the single best Black Cauldron history, breakdown, explanation and sales pitch!!
I’m subscribing and sharing like Hel!!
Don’t ever stop making long, in-depth, impassioned videos like this!!
I REALLY wish there was an unedited version of this movie available, holy SHIT Those images of the men decaying were horrifying even to me, who is as old as this movie is! I cackled imagining all the parents storming out with their kids! As someone who has studied the various stages of decay a body can go through depending on what brings about that destruction, that shit was pretty accurate. Some artists had to do some morbid homework.
I wasn’t aware Catgirls were effective of preventing copyright.
Well there are ways to avoid copyright problems changing the pitch of the audio, putting the video in a small box with a background, flipping the video, ect. Doing that helps keep the bots from picking up something that might be copyrighted. It's done alot with anime
The Mouse fears the cat(girl)s!
I approve of this method
I don't think many UA-camrs can truly capture the magic of Disney and explain it with such love and expertise like you. Love your vids man, watched em all, keep it up.
BLESS YOU I LOVE THIS COMMENT THANK YOOUUUU
My grandmother had this on VHS and everytime my family visited, I'd watch it over and over again. Black Cauldron is my favorite movie of all time.
Amazing movie period.
Personally, if Disney ever had the balls to remake this in live action...
I VOLUNTEER TO PLAY TGE HORNED KING!!!!!
*THANK YOU BREADSWORD!!!* I saw you uploaded this the first time within the first 15 minutes of it going up and was so upset to see Disney *ALREADY* took it down, it must've felt like a punch in the gut to have all that work shot down immediately and before this gets lost in a sea of comments I wanna let you know you're one of my favorite channels to watch and nothing I can say will show my appreciation for all the effort you put into these videos, keep up the fantastic work my guy
YOOOOOO OH MY GOSH THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I APPRECIATE THIS A TON AND YEAH IT FELT LIKE BEING IMPALED LMFAO I'M SO SO HAPPY YOU GUYS CAN SEE THIS FINALLY
BREADSWORD Love the content man, absolutely top-notch stuff! Your Treasure Planet analysis is one of the best hidden gems I've found on this site so far.
@@BREADSWORD I'm elated you persisted with it really, I just finished watching the video not to long ago and it's of course the top notch quality I've come to enjoy from your content. I couldn't imagine the heart attack you must've had when seeing it got struck down so quick being a video that obviously must've taken MONTHS to make and is practically feature-length in itself. But I'm happy to see all that hard work finally paid off and i'm excited to see what you do next. Until then I know i'll be watching this and all your other videos on repeat ;)
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Yeah dude, I fucking love these videos. BREADSWORD was such a random find. I saw it when the first video like this was posted. The quality is insane, especially when it was only like 2-3 videos on the channel. Reminds me of the Cosmonaught Variety Hour channel, but better tbh.
I watched the first 30 seconds last time then it was taken down, I love this channel so much, it's an instant click
Thank you so much! I love you!
@@BREADSWORD what's the most underrated movie of the decade and why is it POWER RANGERS!?!
BREADSWORD Why was it taken down the first time? What did you have to change?
@@DX795Q Didn't you notice the dancing cats on the screen half of the video? Disney doesn't like looking back at gems like these;3
To be fair, it's all automated. It's done by a computer, presumably used to prevent piracy.
But on the other hand, they'll copyclaim your video for 11 seconds of footage.
The girl in this movie was my favourite disney princess from all movies. I loved how se looked and her attitude when i was young
Her personality is even more unique and captivating in the books
Can we agree that John Hurt was such a badass voice actor as the Horned King?
And that this film deserves to be remade?
Fun fact: I'm actually named Taran after the Black Cauldron (or rather the Chronicles of Prydain on which it's based). Really glad this video got to see the light of day!
Have you heard of a young Welsh actor called Taron Egerton? :)
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Ever heard of Taron Egerton (Welsh actor), @Twm Llwynog ? :)
UR SHITTIN ME
Reading those growing up I always wanted to name my son Taran lol
Over the Garden Wall is therefore the best Halloween show then?
undoubtedly!
*Y E S*
*100%*
Oh so yes.
Yes.
The way you described this tragedy of a film was just, phenomenal. I have never heard such a review that beared so much depth and emotion and really just shed light on a film I had only thought about once or twice. You are a brilliant storyteller and I enjoy reviews of underrated films such as this one very highly. Keep up the phenomenal work.
When I first saw The Black Cauldron, I was so blown by how unbelievably different it was to the rest of the Disney animated family. My God, I was in my pre-teens when I saw it, and it freaked me out! When the movie was over, I was so upset because... THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A NEW FORMULA FOR DISNEY ANIMATION HORROR!
It did not shy away! The screams, the deaths, the blood, the feeling of actually being in the presence of evil! It was perfect!
And yes! That ending was brilliant! The heros set out to become who they believed themselves to be... and when the movie was over, they were! None of this "grow up. You're an adult now" vibe the other movies had. This? Your innocence, your pure of heart, will save the day. Fludder is well over middle aged, and he was a big part of the group. Not just some bumbling oof. His childlike innocence was important.
Isn't that what Disney is really all about? Cherish your child side. The world is a dark, cold, cruel place, and you never losing your kid like wonder will make the world better.
Even the creation of the movie speaks for itself. The Black Cauldron was being created by big kids who wanted to push the boundaries of what they could get away with. And here came some adults to slap on some rules, "no. You can't do that." Not artists, management. Men who lived in a world where childhood is left behind once you get a job.
I loved this movie. And I am upset how Disney executives trash it so hard. It was bold, unconventional. It dared. And had parents and money hungry ceos not gotten in the way, we may have had a bigger selection of dark teen sub genre in Disney animation.
Now look at Disney. Nothing more than a corporate shill. Amusement parks giving their customers the middle finger, animated sequels in place of original full length stories, you can just hear Disney screaming "WE'RE IN IT FOR THE MONEY!" What an adult thing to do.
I grew up with the VHS of this movie, I distinctly remember the main character having like a emerald jeweled vest on the case that he never wore in the movie.
That was on my case as well! Always wondered why he didn't wear that in the movie.
It would be a pain to animate, especially on a main character.
I still have that case and VHS. I hope to convert it to DVD someday.
I always liked TBC, even though it seemed incomplete in a lot of ways. Now it makes sense. Too bad they couldn't go back and do a director's cut of it.
Nothing stopping them from doing it besides inclination. Start an online petition.
Read the book in this case, it is seriously that much more superior to the animated film.
This movie SHOULD get a remake! ... but not by Disney
Also wondering if Gurgi's voice somehow inspired Andi Serkis's Gollum
The more I learn about Eisner the more I am convinced he is my nemesis. I don't regret dragging him in my last speech for class. It's disgusting what the suits did to this film and its creators.
“We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art. We have no obligation to make a statement. To make money is our only objective.”
- Michael Eisner
Honestly these videos explaining underrated animated type movies is amazing! Hopefully this can open the door for The Road to El Dorado, Prince of Egypt, and Atlantis! Keep up the amazing work!
The Twisted Couper 69 I would die of happiness if he did road to el dorado
Prince of Egypt is just… perfect
This makes me think that Jeffrey Katzenberg wasn't in the right when it came to creating DreamWorks.
One of my professors worked at DreamWorks. He hated it. And apparently most people there weren't really down with Jeff Katz as their boss, not satisfied with his management or his ideas.
@@s-e-e-k-i-n-g Well I'm not surprised if they have a marketing team that forces the animators to make the "Dreamworks Face."
Seeing how down Dreamworks has fallen recently, I believe it's fair to assume Katzenberg is an egotistical dick who made more harmful choices than good ones.
I watched this the other day with my family. It’s so good and i’m sad it’s underrated. I hope Disney goes for this dark and grimy tone while keeping their lighthearted tomes again. Also I miss hand drawn films.
You string words well, because feelings are the greatest fuel.
I'm impressed you are not afraid of your longer words.
It's always a pleasure to listen to someone when they love something.
Well said.
"Have at you, Disney legal team! I invoke the twin dancing catgirls of copyright protection!
Try anything funny and you will activate my fair use trap card next turn!"
I, for one, actually want the Horned King to make more appearances at Disney. He's one of my favorite Disney Villains, and I could see him being used in the Halloween show at Disney World, using the Black Cauldron to summon fireworks in the sky.
SwordAlchemist5 I remember it. Too bad it closed. The Horned King is one of the greatest villains Disney ever made; he doesn't break into song, he wasn't designed to be clumsy for comedy's sake, and his goals are as terrifying as his appearance; full world domination and the mass genocide of every living thing on Earth. No other Disney Villain has topped this plan (besides Thanos succeeding in wiping out half the life in the galaxy, but I consider him Marvel than Disney)
@@patrioticjustice9040 I dont remember Meleficent breaking into song
At this point in time, you'd need the black cauldron to get more horned king appearances. John Hurt is dead.
@@AndrewHalliwell I'm well aware.
This is the most beautiful and eloquent analysis of my favourite Disney movie. Amazing job, I can’t thank you enough for bringing to light the beauty and innovation this movie and its artists brought to the world. Though it has honestly bought about a burning desire to see the film as the original artists intended. Disney pay attention to this video instead of copy striking it, dig in the vault and find the original cut. I would pay good money to watch it, and I don’t think I’m alone.
This is surprisingly deep. I thought we are going to watch a common film review, not deep Philosophical take on it and what surrounds it... I like it.
Also in your video about treasure planet you mentioned the road to él Dorado and the iron giant, altho in a lot more of a minor way. Does this mean we'll get vids on those movies?
Maybe some day!!!
I would kill for a Road to El Dorado video! I read a lot into the production history some time ago and their original plan sounds fascinating. It reminded me a lot of a similar history and intent to that of Kingdom of the Sun, which became The Emperor's New Groove. With TRtED coming out on Blu-ray next month it would be perfect time to celebrate it.
ZeeCobra: Next month?... Aww, dang, that'll be too late for Christmas... There goes a good present idea for my sister... (She loves Road to El Dorado)
Yes road to eldorado!
I loved the books as a kid and the movie was ok in my mind. I wish they'd focused on one book instead of combining the first two books. But after your indepth look into the making of I'm so pissed it never got to truly shine as it's own thing.
TRUUUUEEEEE I do wish I could see a like true series from them
Ngl I was not the biggest fan of this movie growing up, but your enthusiasm and passion for this film has compelled me to give it another chance. Great video 👍
Breadsword: "That Treasure Planet video did okay."
Treasure Planet video: __laughs in 6 million views__
I know it was before the video inexplicably blew up, l just find it funny.
Do we know if the cut clips have been lost or not? I feel like if enough people united and groveled we could get Disney to release a remastered version of the film. Probably will never happen, but I really want it to.
Thomas Morris - Disney just wants to keep its dirty financials out of the investor’s eye and pretend they never happened, even if their critically acclaimed, wonderfully made, or culturally significant. It’s about the bottom line for them now. One only has to notice how seldom they’ll even put The Black Cauldron or even Treasure Planet out on DVD compared to The Little Mermaid or even The Great Mouse Detective. I doubt they’ll ever give the idea a glance, especially since they’ve gotten rid of their hand drawn animation department basically, and said “Live Action’s the way to go! Bring on the remakes! And also sequels no one wanted and Tim Burton Alice in Wonderland rip offs!”
Alpyki 258 agreed. Also consider how much easier it is to get pirated copies of exactly these commercial flop masterpieces than the more generic renaissance masterpieces. I watched The Black Cauldron for the first time for free back in the years when yt didn't have AI powered copyright claims, & even downloaded it for free years later, & yet I could never find The Little Mermaid's exquisite special edition version online, which I have bought on CD. The Bottom Line is the last word.
Analysis on Prince of Egypt WHEN?
legitimately cried at the ending sentiments of this video
Of all the live action remakes needed,
This is the one that is needed
I'd like to see Disney do this as a live action trilogy with the sort of neon and grunge style that this one has. There's so much more skeleton/zombie violence they can get away with since the Pirates franchise, and LotR and such, plus audiences have much more patience now for character development and epic stories without them being crammed into TV-movie length. Hell, I could even see Netflix picking this up and making several seasons from it. I remember loving the books as a kid and being confused as to why the movie was so different, so I can't help but think that they still have plenty of untapped potential for a great visual series in one form or another.
I wonder if people know that Disney was not as successful and as large as it is now?
I do...They were kind of a joke for awhile there even before this movie came out. A few theme parks, and some somewhat unremarkable movies for the better part of a decade I really don't remember anyone considering high art (that impression has changed once they got into the VHS market). Sleeping Beauty really screwed them financially for nearly 3 decades, and their output post-SB was weaker in my opinion. Especially the decade before The Little Mermaid we were all looking at Don Bluth as the height of animation and Disney as hanging in there on the prestige of their real classics. I recall being strictly unimpressed with The Fox and the Hound and Oliver and Company in particular; as a kid and watching them in theaters. That weird couple of years between Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Beauty and the Beast was really a huge comeback...and a setback for Bluth who never caught back up again. I'd say 1989, they were tied, and then Bluth was left behind in the dust. The fact that their movies started becoming largely toyetic didn't hurt...that Disney Princess collection definitely had them raking it in for awhile there.
Every day I wish that someone would find and release the original version that didn’t have anything cut, but unfortunately that will probably be lost media
I just found this channel not even a week ago and I’ve already made a huge dent in his videos. I love these video essays. Not only am I lost in the way he speaks. I’ve cried watching these. Keep making what you’re making
You know instead of Disney constantly making Sequals to Pirates of the Caribbean they should make a Black Cauldron live action series that adapts the books of the series.
Oh, I would love that. 😍😍
Disney actually renewed the film rights a few years ago. Disney has assigned an executive to the project (Sam Dickerman) but development hasn't yet begun. I put together a fantasy draft cast list for a possible live-action adaptation: www.imdb.com/list/ls047340936/
@@scottfriedman6425 I love your list.👍👍👍
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While the original is something to treasure there aren't enough to truly appreciate the story.
That's why instead of being one movie compiled of bits a pieces of the series it might do the stories better justice to be done in live action over the span of a few movies.
I do agree that there should be more original things, but dont we also want younger generations to know of this film when out of the blue they see a thrilling live action fantasy trailer for this movie.
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While I Dont have kids at the moment. I would show them something like Black Cauldron if possible in both animation and if a decent live action was made.
So much that could have made the film better was cut because of Katsenburg. If there was away to bring it back for a new audience I would rather it be live action than CGI. Or I guess with minor CGI involved. I love Black Cauldron for the most part its aesthetic. The art style and how it was so wonderfully done for it's time. It lacks however in story and in Character. Since so much was condensed it kind of took away from those aspects. This is a movie that could benefit with a revamp in live action spread out into perhaps 3 movies. Its after all based after the Chronicles of Perdaine Novels.
Using your parameters to define a Halloween movie, perhaps we can finally find an answer to a question that has plagued at least two generations: is Die Hard a Christmas movie?
Die Hard is one of the world most beloved Christmas films
Yes, it is!
It's a movie set around Christmas, but I don't think Christmas is integral to the story...
Loving that oldschool soul music you’re playing in the background
Imma need those gorgeous jams you got in the background there fam
watching this before Disney copyright strikes this again ahhahaha
Watching this so I can get my fill before Disney does lmaoooo also, the Pixar Documentary, "The Pixar Story," it gives a short, but great insight as to how much the Pixar team and Disney team hated how corporate Disney handled the move to 3D.
Greatest disney film ever. I watched this obsessively as a child and just watched it again a couple weeks ago. Still liked it and im 25 lol
And just when I was beginning to like Katzenberg for making Dreamworks and, by extension, The Road to El Dorado - the 2nd biggest cinematic "🖕 you" against a studio's dictatorial management (behind Farquaad resembling Eisner in Shrek) that I have ever had the pleasure to witness. His decimation of this film's runtime is beyond criminal. Yet, even as restitched, short and troublesome as the finished version of this film may be, it is still my favourite Disney movie, due to its vibrant depictions of youthful reverie, its paralysingly horrifying visuals and its breathtaking call to adventure.
Hope this one stays up (gee thanks Disney copyright)!
You and I both! LMFAO
Dude I love all the stuff you make man. You really inspire me to look deeper and look critically at the media I loved as a kid to see it in a new light. Thank you for being a story teller, and someone who chooses great rnb for transition scenes. Lots of love man, wish you all the best in all you do
Ngl, when the title slide for 'history of halloween' came up, I actually though "lol unless this is Samhuinn this ain't it" and then you launched into Samhuinn. Props, dude - that was awesome. I feel seen.
Wouldn't it be ironic if you got a copyright claim for the dancing girl?
That's funny
in at 23:03 to say that Elmer Bernstein's score for this film actually makes use of an instrument called an Ondes Martenot, not a musical saw! Musical saws, Ondes Martenots, and theremins all have very similar tones, so it's an easy mistake to make. All 3 instruments were popular around the same time, too, and in fact, the Ondes Martenot was invented the same year the theremin was patented, 1928. Musical saws are played using, well, a saw, and bending the metal while bowing it can change the pitch. Ondes Martenots generate pitch by running a metal ring over a set of vacuum tubes (later transistors), and later integrated a keyboard as well. Theremins are neat because you play them without touching them; two metal antennae control volume and frequency, each, and sense proximity to determine what value to set. Fun fact: the Ondes Martenot is considered one of the first electronic musical instruments!
I love your taste in music, and these types of videos
Every Halloween I’m coming back to this video
EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOURE DOING. BREADSWORD POSTED
"Disney's Inferno"
You should be proud of that one
The black cauldron is my favourite movie it's fun, it's has no songs it has a great story and plot
Not gonna lie, sneaking Gurren Lagann clips into all these long form reviews low key keeps me coming back
That, and the fact your a brilliant fucking wordsmith. Keep on keeping on
Third time's a charm, hope it stays up this time
ayy it's you
Thank you so much for going into the Celtic and Irish traditions of Samhain, it was very nice to hear
Just an aside, the books are really good. I'd call Lloyd Alexander the most impactful fantasy writer that most people know nothing about.
His essay on High Fantasy vs Low Fantasy paved the way for a lot of development within the genre as a whole and it's a shame his name isn't mentioned in the same breath as Lewis or Tolkien.
There's a lot of love for The Black Cauldron in the UK. It's a touchstone for those of us who are between 40 to 50 (I'm 47). It was a great film as a kid, and a damn good college try when I saw it again as an adult - in other words, rather close to the great film I remembered as a kid, just a little flawed. And I love it still.
I wish they had an uncut version
Man it's so sad to see that Disney nutured this film, I would love to see a completed or remade version of the Black Cauldron.
Too bad Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg felt it would've hurt Disney's brand image if they left it uncut. I also wondered what they did with the cut footage. At the very least they need to salvage what footage they can and release it as deleted scenes on a Blu Ray or something.
Honestly the scene where the little pig is bathing, all quiet and then out of nowhere starts freaking out hounted me so much as a child, I just dont know why.
Great video!
Haunted*
This is probably my favorite of Disney's films after Fantasia. I love how dark and different it is from the rest of Disney's animated films. It's an underrated masterpiece that was ahead of its time.
Also, I'm convinced that The Legend of Zelda was at least slightly inspired by this film.