That's a good point, the gains have been massive. Hopefully with driver updates and further development, intel can close that gap further. Nothing against AMD but one company running the show is never good for consumers
@@OwenOrsettiwon’t be intel maybe Nvdia but intel could only do 2 things a top x86 cpu with crazy power draw and server chips that’s it. The ultra chip gets best by amd last year chip
I think I'll wait until it's on sale due to not selling and buy it at a huge discount. I've learned from experience that Intel graphics drivers take a while to mature. Most corporations panic from lower sales and lower the prices fairly fast when products don't sell like they want. I'll buy later and enjoy better performance at lower price. Thanks for the lesson ETA PRIME!
Unfortunately, I’ll be getting the MSI. I hate asus with a passion. Between being a previous asus fan boy and using several asus laptops at work I’ve discovered nothing but issues and failed hardware. I’ve since switched to MSI products for all my personal use and have had nothing but great experiences. It’s really a shame but I just can’t get over my terrible experiences with asus as a brand.
After owning the Ally since launch last year. I used my SD card reader for the first time a few days ago. It died almost instantly. Getting it ready for RMA. My point however, is the SD card is unnecessary. I upgraded the SSD day one to 2tb, and haven't needed or used the drive until now. It's only because I sold my Steam Deck, and wanted to transfer ROMs over.
The SD card issue is actually a plus. Gonna send it back just before my warranty expires after 2 years. The store i bought it from usually gives you a brand new device in return.
@Trikkie87 warranty isn't handled by the store unless it's an authorized service center for Asus. I just sent mine in, but I had option of taking it to MicroCentet
I can deff say that the RMA process wasn't too bad. Sent it to them and they repaired it (replacing the original motherboard), then sending it back, and I haven't had the issue so far.
@@gregorywilson2124 no , it's only intel , on ally it's doing fine after asus made some optimisations but it wasn't that bad from the first place, intel it's just like Samsung with exyons
@@cilllee2308 indeed, they fixed the manufacturing process, now they have issues only with modem , but intel has slept a long time just milking us and now they deserve all , if Qualcomm chips are soo good then it's game over for intel and amd
I'm still disappointed by the Claw's current performance. However, I'm still rooting for it for selfish reasons. I like the fact that it has a USB4 port compared to the propriety port on the ROG Ally. Just hoping both MSI and Intel will optimize the device further, fingers crossed it does not take them 6 months though.
@@katieadams5860 thank you so much for mentioning this but I'm well aware of the Legion Go's USB4 port. I was ready to pull the trigger on the Go but decided to pause until the Claw's reviews finally dropped. I think I prefer the Claw's design over the Go, also the fan noise is much better on the Claw than on the Go from some other reviews I have seen here on YT, pity about its current performance though.
@@tebo2286 yeah, I personally am not optimistic it will get substantially better. Intel still doesn't have a good history with GPU drivers. Amd has way more experience than Intel. Even if performance gets better overtime it will still lose in power efficiency. Intel has done terrible in that department especially since alder lake
@@tebo2286I'm probably still going to get it too for the reasons of wanting an arc GPU in a handheld. Its rough now, but I know that Intel will push out drivers that will improve the overall performance and at least compete with its amd counterparts.
@@rometherevenant8749 I get you and fully agree that performance will improve over time. My biggest gripe is that I believe we the consumers are giving too much leeway to these device manufacturers and game studios to the point where it's now an industry standard and blueprint for them to initially drop sub-par products while expecting us consumers to bear with them until they get their mess in order. For $800 I personally expect a plug-n-play, well-optimized device from the get-go with occasional patches to enhance the quality-of-life of the device, not the roundabout practice by these manufacturers.
I'd like to see more testing with the Onexplayer X1, I was an early donor and just got mine yesterday. So far I love it!! Granted, I didn't buy it for the intel processor but more so the unique form factor. It's like a surface go for gaming, something I had wanted for a long time. Love your content, greetings from Arctic Alaska 😁
Same...I'm in the batch #2 and probably will not get mine until April, even though I ordered a couple days after campaign launched 😐 I know the details, read the updates of the delay and have 2 x OneXplayer handhelds already so I trust One-Net, but still. The waiting... I also agree, the OneXplayer X1's saving grace it it's different enough with other functions it will probably be the most successful "Intel" handheld for a couple years. Still plan on getting an AMD X1 or X2 when it inevitably comes out and give the Intel one to family.
i'm sure there should be a way to create a product with more performance, slightly bigger, with a gpu included, but still smaller than a laptop, something like 11" or 12" using linux or steamos, battery will last longer. that's the key to improve this type of devices. maybe playstation or xbox will understand and explore that room for improvements.
seeing E cores now performs around zen2/Steam Deck level, why not park all P cores and some of the E cores while excluding LPE cores? I was hoping to see someone doing this since 16 physical cores really struggles in a thermal and power limited form factor like this.
Im surprised the msi claw still won on battery life, i do wonder if the msi claw battery will fit in the rog ally given how similar the devices designs are
Kind of how I expected the results to be. Although I could not recommend to get the claw over the Ally I feel Intel could see the results between the two and as the next gen of chips come out they will look to close / beat AMD. Definitely be interesting to see if Nvidia enter this market too. If Microsoft get behind a gaming os I feel these devices could be a big fixture in gaming. I have got the 3080 for my Ally and it's a game changer when docked I do feel purring a deal on with these cards could be a big deal.
Thanks about the comparison, actually I try some of the handhelds. MSI claw performs pretty well in my case, the feeling and the experience are great. After updating the latest driver, it feels much smoother. MSI keeps their promise👍
I have ROG ally, I love it but I would also like to experience the claw one day. I’ve tried the steam deck before the ally came out but waited till ally came out to purchase. I’ve also looked at the other handhelds out there and I’m happy you have done a review for most. Tho in the hands of each user specs and likes will very. Thank you again for a awesome video and review
It's not the same benchmarks. In firesteuke it says battlefield 1440 in intel and 1080 in amd..so there not even the same resolution which makes a huuuge difference
It’s a estimation of how a game would perform at different resolutions and settings based on the score it achieved, it literally has no effect on the benchmark…
AMD optimizing their Video Encoding Acceleration especially on their iGPUs would be the final nail in the coffin for Intel. Unfortunately, software compatibility isn't that ripe yet compared to Intel Quicksync.
As expected, Intel drivers just cannot compete with AMD. That was always looking like the real outlier, given that the Ally has been out a while, the performance differences look to speak for themselves. I don't think the Ally ever performed that badly and I've had it since launch.
After a few months of owning the Rog Ally, I still think it's the best handheld PC on the market, while still recognizing that it has flaws. I actually don't use it as much for gaming as I thought I would. I use it more for browsing and other daily tasks, with some gaming on the side. I love the form factor, and it's perfect for bringing around the house. The battery life is its weakness, but it's still the best product on the market IMO. These handheld PC's are already great, and will only get better in later generations.
I decided to go with the Ally because the Claw was performing poorly. Watched some other UA-camrs and the claw kept crashing on games that the Ally which is older worked on. Maybe later when they get the kinks fixed.
For intel first launch arc handheld, it actually impress me. The gpu on par with rdna 2 on steamdeck. We can expect to improve in near future when they sort out the driver. Just sad that msi didn't offer competitive price point. At least 135h is better than z1. They should have stick with that low price mark (499) and may be the claw could have a standing ground like steamdeck despite lacking in performance.
As an owner of both variants of the Ally I can honestly say the normal Z1 will probably outperform the high end MSI Claw once debloated and setup correctly. Mine runs very well after tweaking/debloating it. Quite impressive actually.
Well, if you look at the a770, it has 4096 shaders. Meanwhile, the 7800xt has 3840 RDNA 3 shaders (the z1 extreme also has RDNA 3) and has about 2x the performance of the a770. These intel soc's have 1024 shaders vs the z1's 764. Really no surprise here. RDNA 3 shaders are much more powerful than Arc shaders at this point.
i have rog ally. Happy with it but for the games i play, mostly gpu friendly jrpg i would of considered the MSI claw if the price was much 40% lower then rog
The msi claw is not worth it right now. Its more expensive than the rog ally but it performs worse. Even the steam deck oled performs better in games than the msi claw and the steam deck is cheaper. Hopefully msi claw starts making new driver updates to improve the performance. But for right now, its better to buy the rog ally than the msi claw
I might have missed it, but we're not allowed to disable cores? Who would have thought we'd need that many threads on a gaming-focused product? It really seems like this is on MSI, not Intel. They probably wanted to get in on the handheld craze ASAP and this was the cheapest and most available chipset they could get. TSMC can't just make more Z1 Extremes on a dime.
Performance will probably improve with future updates and things like that, but right out of the box using double the wattage and STILL not outperforming the deck on some games just makes it kind of embarrassing. It’s a shame. The ally and the deck are still king.
IDK man, I see the hope for it. The MSI claw runs things like Lies of P and Bannishers Ghosts of New Eden for me at 40-60 FPS low detials 1080P 40Ws (which is better then the Ally). However, on the other hand, it freezes everrytime I try to open something like Horizen Zero Dawn, or FF7 when I had an older driver installed. It's soo all over the place. It just needs some time, the Ally had issues too, maybe not this bad, but it had issues.
I thought they would be more comparable than that, i guess even with arc, amd has the better igpu. I was considering the X1 but now i think ill look for an amd + oculink solution
It doesn’t have to be the best, just competent enough as a handheld device and this is it. For the price though? Even if it was a way better device I would stick with the Deck. Unless that thing can run VR games I would not pay that much for a handheld.
I had an Ally and I really liked it, but the battery life and lack of power at lower TDP ultimately turned me off of it. I bought an Odin 2 and local steam my games to it. They look better, my battery life is excellent, and generally lag is no problem at all. I have a WiFi 6 mesh system
Geez....22-threads....my 12700K is showing it's age! EDIT: I'm not a coder but I'm assuming that outside of power balance issues between the IGPU and CPU on the Claw. The second issues seems to be experiences. AMD has a long history with graphics performance and optimization. Not to mention, it's not a far throw from the last 2 console generations. Based on my experiences with AMD drivers, it seems that many GPUs (like my Legion-Go currently running ROG Ally's drivers), I think their drivers probably aren't alien when converting to PC. I wouldn't be surprised of driver optimization considering their whole ecosystem.
AMD did well with those processors, also although flawed asus got the format right for the Ally, who knows if they do the smart thing and support it while they improve their software layer the but the silver line here are the temps, just 10 degrees cooler will go a very long way for this format
trouble with tests like these - people pay money to have portable gaming on at least high settings. My Asus Ally Rog has so far been able to play anything in High or ultra. I play God of War in a lower resolution than full HD but all effects and everything else maxed out for a good 40fps minimum. I'd never play a game in LOW graphics. Don't see the point in playing triple AAA games so low quality.
I could care less about the specs because I don't plan to play any graphics intensive games. I'm more concerned about affordability and that will seal the deal for me.
Yeah... I'm not sure how much longer people are going to swallow the "Intel is newer in this space" excuse. Not that it's bad... it's quite ok for what it is, but at some point people start getting tired of hearing that Intel is working on it's drivers, it's going to get better, and whatnot. I mean, people can give it a break since it is competing on this sector that has been a duopoly for too long (I mean, graphics for gaming in general, not just portable gaming), but not when it's charging similar prices of products that are markedly better like that.
The question I want to find the answer to is "does the MSI destroy micro SD cards?" I'm considering getting it or the legion go (same apu as the ally without the SD card issue!)
I just picked up a legion go yesterday. So far first impressions it's not bad. It's definitely big and chunky but performance wise I've been impressed so far.
I think msi needs some optimizations . 20 watt to 30 watt barely makes a difference. I think it is unfair to say MSI claw is bad at this point. It might become a lot better in a few months...
Even if you take out the FPS being better than the Claw, the temps of the Intel chip seems to run way hotter. Which probably is what's causing the stuttering in game. Why MSI decided to go Intel still is baffling.
Have the updates made thr MSI Claw any better? MY ROG allys joysticks broke replaced them with hall effect ones, my sd card reader never worked they wanted to charge 150 to fix it didnt feel it was worth paying that, it kept overheating put a new shell on the back kept temps under 81c. But after a windows update its stuck in a boot loop and everything i try to do to fix it it shuts itself off before i can do anything im out of warrenty im not trying to pay hundreds of dollars to get it fixe. I was thinking of just getting a new handheld i dont like the Legon Go's screen i dont like alot about the steam deck and from what im seeing online im liking the MSI claw. Ive always liked intel processors over AMD im only worried about that IGPU, i like how the MSI Claw has a bigger battery, more air flow, hall effect joysticks, a better USB port better wifi better bluetooth im only worried about that IGPU. So im just wondering if the updates have made it better
I like how the whole internet has just unanimously decided that the MSI Claw is trash lol. And that’s because it literally is. AMD chips have: - FSR (HUGE) - Better power efficiency - Better performance - Better driver support and stability Imagine if the MSI Claw had a Z1 Extreme chip, and better bumpers. With a 53 watt/hr battery, that would actually be worth talking about. But I guess someone was contractually obligated to make an Intel handheld instead haha
MSI signed the death note for the Claw by partnering with Intel. Intel GPUs just can't compete with AMD as of now and they have a ways to go before they can optimize it properly. They jumped a little too soon in the handheld scene and dragged MSI along with it. I hope MSI realizes this and goes with AMD for the Claw 2. No amounts of optimization can fix Claw's terrible performance.
@@IIXxSLAYERxXII For CPUs yes but not for any integrated solutions. I am sure they will catch up soon but they need to let its Arc GPUs cook further before dolling them out just like that.
Oh course Claw is better that steam deck even with bad Intel drivers. In practice it's more like 6800u for almost games and in theory the most powerful handheld. Look read dead redemption 2 Claw is better that Ally
why did MSI think that intel is a good idea in portable device, using intel in laptops or anything on battery is a big mistake, the efficiency is so bad on intel, amd definitely has and will have strong grip in console market for quite some time.
Intel Arc is garbage. it's no good for gaming, maybe for interior decoration simulation. MSI could have integrated a 3060 mobile into the claw. Even with a price of 1k the machine would have been a beast. AMD crushed it with the Z1 extreme.
He said if it can match the ROG ally Uhhhhh ETA the MSI Claw can't even take on the lowest spec of the handhelds and that is the Steam deck I mean you compared the highest spec to handheld to the one with the lesser specs and it still got destroyed then you compared it to the Rog/Legion (because both have the same chip) and the claw definitely can't stand up on against that one either and for $800.00 I can't see anybody spending money on something like that that has to run alot of games in 720p I mean what is this XBOX 360 c'mon now 720p really?!........................... People y'all are better off with either the steam deck if you're on a budget or want decent power and play many games with no issues then go Asus Rog or Lenovo Legion if you have to funds for those plain and simple
I love my Ally and it looks like there still isn't any reason to switch. MSI coming out the gate at a higher price point with a lower value device is bold and will probably kill the device before it could get legs under it. I'll probably hold my money until either the steam deck 2 or the Ally 2.
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The answer to the title question is no.
My day is sad, and i am immeassurably disappointed.
@@Micecheese I really wanted to like this device too. It’s a shame.
Thank for help me skip this video
You spoilered the whole thing! Good that I have my ally already ^.^
and by no, he means hell no
MSI flaw is doing wonders🔥
That's a good one lol
MSI Flaw lol
Underrated.
AMD is AMD, AMD Wins
10 years ago everyone would laugh at you but now it's true 😂
Keep buying AMD stock. 🙏
I read that in JerryRigEverything's voice :D
Cyberpunk on a Handheld is nuts. If the claw came out like 3 years ago, everyone would praise it... the handheld pc market made some big jumps =)
That's a good point, the gains have been massive. Hopefully with driver updates and further development, intel can close that gap further. Nothing against AMD but one company running the show is never good for consumers
@@OwenOrsettiwon’t be intel maybe Nvdia but intel could only do 2 things a top x86 cpu with crazy power draw and server chips that’s it. The ultra chip gets best by amd last year chip
Yeah the mobile apu jumps have been huge . I think when rdna 4 comes out that’s going to be massive .
I think I'll wait until it's on sale due to not selling and buy it at a huge discount. I've learned from experience that Intel graphics drivers take a while to mature. Most corporations panic from lower sales and lower the prices fairly fast when products don't sell like they want. I'll buy later and enjoy better performance at lower price. Thanks for the lesson ETA PRIME!
Unfortunately, I’ll be getting the MSI. I hate asus with a passion. Between being a previous asus fan boy and using several asus laptops at work I’ve discovered nothing but issues and failed hardware. I’ve since switched to MSI products for all my personal use and have had nothing but great experiences. It’s really a shame but I just can’t get over my terrible experiences with asus as a brand.
The Ally crushes all these handhelds , if they didn't have that initial SD card issue there wouldn't be any question.
After owning the Ally since launch last year. I used my SD card reader for the first time a few days ago.
It died almost instantly.
Getting it ready for RMA.
My point however, is the SD card is unnecessary. I upgraded the SSD day one to 2tb, and haven't needed or used the drive until now.
It's only because I sold my Steam Deck, and wanted to transfer ROMs over.
Literally the only reason I won't buy one
The SD card issue is actually a plus.
Gonna send it back just before my warranty expires after 2 years. The store i bought it from usually gives you a brand new device in return.
@Trikkie87 warranty isn't handled by the store unless it's an authorized service center for Asus.
I just sent mine in, but I had option of taking it to MicroCentet
I can deff say that the RMA process wasn't too bad. Sent it to them and they repaired it (replacing the original motherboard), then sending it back, and I haven't had the issue so far.
53°(ROG) vs 72°(MSI)...
very good quality of chips from Intel as always 😂, if u have a gaming pc in winter you don't need extra heat system 😂
Maybe windows is the bad guy here. I wonder how these processors would fair on Linux.
@@gregorywilson2124 no , it's only intel , on ally it's doing fine after asus made some optimisations but it wasn't that bad from the first place, intel it's just like Samsung with exyons
@@cristianJoker2512 exynos gets better overtime, but yeah
@@cilllee2308 indeed, they fixed the manufacturing process, now they have issues only with modem , but intel has slept a long time just milking us and now they deserve all , if Qualcomm chips are soo good then it's game over for intel and amd
So either get rog ally extreme or Lenovo legion go
Or Steam Deck
Ally or Steam Deck. Lenovo still hasn't fixed the issues the Go has and probably never will.
@@AG-bp3ll time will tell
What issues are you referring to with the Go?@@AG-bp3ll
@@AG-bp3ll which issues you mean?
I'm still disappointed by the Claw's current performance. However, I'm still rooting for it for selfish reasons. I like the fact that it has a USB4 port compared to the propriety port on the ROG Ally. Just hoping both MSI and Intel will optimize the device further, fingers crossed it does not take them 6 months though.
There is the legion go though if you want to use a egpu
@@katieadams5860 thank you so much for mentioning this but I'm well aware of the Legion Go's USB4 port. I was ready to pull the trigger on the Go but decided to pause until the Claw's reviews finally dropped. I think I prefer the Claw's design over the Go, also the fan noise is much better on the Claw than on the Go from some other reviews I have seen here on YT, pity about its current performance though.
@@tebo2286 yeah, I personally am not optimistic it will get substantially better. Intel still doesn't have a good history with GPU drivers. Amd has way more experience than Intel. Even if performance gets better overtime it will still lose in power efficiency. Intel has done terrible in that department especially since alder lake
@@tebo2286I'm probably still going to get it too for the reasons of wanting an arc GPU in a handheld. Its rough now, but I know that Intel will push out drivers that will improve the overall performance and at least compete with its amd counterparts.
@@rometherevenant8749 I get you and fully agree that performance will improve over time. My biggest gripe is that I believe we the consumers are giving too much leeway to these device manufacturers and game studios to the point where it's now an industry standard and blueprint for them to initially drop sub-par products while expecting us consumers to bear with them until they get their mess in order. For $800 I personally expect a plug-n-play, well-optimized device from the get-go with occasional patches to enhance the quality-of-life of the device, not the roundabout practice by these manufacturers.
Thanks for the comparison video., in the future it might be helpful to keep the devices comparisons on the same side the whole way.
I'd like to see more testing with the Onexplayer X1, I was an early donor and just got mine yesterday. So far I love it!! Granted, I didn't buy it for the intel processor but more so the unique form factor. It's like a surface go for gaming, something I had wanted for a long time. Love your content, greetings from Arctic Alaska 😁
Same...I'm in the batch #2 and probably will not get mine until April, even though I ordered a couple days after campaign launched 😐
I know the details, read the updates of the delay and have 2 x OneXplayer handhelds already so I trust One-Net, but still. The waiting...
I also agree, the OneXplayer X1's saving grace it it's different enough with other functions it will probably be the most successful "Intel" handheld for a couple years.
Still plan on getting an AMD X1 or X2 when it inevitably comes out and give the Intel one to family.
i'm sure there should be a way to create a product with more performance, slightly bigger, with a gpu included, but still smaller than a laptop, something like 11" or 12" using linux or steamos, battery will last longer. that's the key to improve this type of devices. maybe playstation or xbox will understand and explore that room for improvements.
at this point, MSI should reconsider relaunch another version of Claw with AMD Chipset ☠
seeing E cores now performs around zen2/Steam Deck level, why not park all P cores and some of the E cores while excluding LPE cores? I was hoping to see someone doing this since 16 physical cores really struggles in a thermal and power limited form factor like this.
Im surprised the msi claw still won on battery life, i do wonder if the msi claw battery will fit in the rog ally given how similar the devices designs are
Waiting for ROG Ally 2. Claw is just DOA with that price. They should price it same to Steam Deck if they want to sell it.
Kind of how I expected the results to be. Although I could not recommend to get the claw over the Ally I feel Intel could see the results between the two and as the next gen of chips come out they will look to close / beat AMD. Definitely be interesting to see if Nvidia enter this market too. If Microsoft get behind a gaming os I feel these devices could be a big fixture in gaming. I have got the 3080 for my Ally and it's a game changer when docked I do feel purring a deal on with these cards could be a big deal.
plus the fact u can turn the fluid frames on the ally is crazy been playing gta v at 1080p at almost 100fps
Thanks about the comparison, actually I try some of the handhelds. MSI claw performs pretty well in my case, the feeling and the experience are great. After updating the latest driver, it feels much smoother. MSI keeps their promise👍
Doesn't really seem fair to benchmark performance of the Claw set to 1440p while the Ally is set 1080p, does it?
no, those aren't resolution of tests, that is benchmark estimating what setting you can play the game at
I have ROG ally, I love it but I would also like to experience the claw one day. I’ve tried the steam deck before the ally came out but waited till ally came out to purchase. I’ve also looked at the other handhelds out there and I’m happy you have done a review for most. Tho in the hands of each user specs and likes will very. Thank you again for a awesome video and review
It's not the same benchmarks. In firesteuke it says battlefield 1440 in intel and 1080 in amd..so there not even the same resolution which makes a huuuge difference
Was about to comment the same
It’s a estimation of how a game would perform at different resolutions and settings based on the score it achieved, it literally has no effect on the benchmark…
i really like the feel of the Claw compared to the other handhelds, with future updates we'll for sure see a balance between the Claw and Ally
AMD optimizing their Video Encoding Acceleration especially on their iGPUs would be the final nail in the coffin for Intel. Unfortunately, software compatibility isn't that ripe yet compared to Intel Quicksync.
RIP ARC
As expected, Intel drivers just cannot compete with AMD. That was always looking like the real outlier, given that the Ally has been out a while, the performance differences look to speak for themselves. I don't think the Ally ever performed that badly and I've had it since launch.
microsoft should create a light version of windows 11 especially for that use.
Rog ally seems to be the top performer today. Can't wait for the zotac zone though.
After a few months of owning the Rog Ally, I still think it's the best handheld PC on the market, while still recognizing that it has flaws. I actually don't use it as much for gaming as I thought I would. I use it more for browsing and other daily tasks, with some gaming on the side. I love the form factor, and it's perfect for bringing around the house. The battery life is its weakness, but it's still the best product on the market IMO. These handheld PC's are already great, and will only get better in later generations.
I decided to go with the Ally because the Claw was performing poorly. Watched some other UA-camrs and the claw kept crashing on games that the Ally which is older worked on. Maybe later when they get the kinks fixed.
For intel first launch arc handheld, it actually impress me. The gpu on par with rdna 2 on steamdeck. We can expect to improve in near future when they sort out the driver. Just sad that msi didn't offer competitive price point. At least 135h is better than z1. They should have stick with that low price mark (499) and may be the claw could have a standing ground like steamdeck despite lacking in performance.
That VRAM usage on the Claw...
Intel being Intel 😢 poor MSI got drag down on intel's short comings
As an owner of both variants of the Ally I can honestly say the normal Z1 will probably outperform the high end MSI Claw once debloated and setup correctly. Mine runs very well after tweaking/debloating it. Quite impressive actually.
There are already benchmarks on YT where that is the case...
Not surprised lol. Everyone hates on the regular Z1 when it can actually be quite a capable machine.
This situation is like apple charges you more so you can buy a different color of this device
Well, if you look at the a770, it has 4096 shaders. Meanwhile, the 7800xt has 3840 RDNA 3 shaders (the z1 extreme also has RDNA 3) and has about 2x the performance of the a770. These intel soc's have 1024 shaders vs the z1's 764. Really no surprise here. RDNA 3 shaders are much more powerful than Arc shaders at this point.
i have rog ally. Happy with it but for the games i play, mostly gpu friendly jrpg i would of considered the MSI claw if the price was much 40% lower then rog
you know they are constructed with the same screen right
I had high hopes for the MSI Claw. But it seems that the limiting factor is the hardware itself, rather than the software.
I think just the opposite
Looks like the claw has the specs but I think it’s just driver immaturity. In synthetic benches it clearly matches or beats the ally.
Linux benchmarks please! Thanks for the video 😊
The msi claw is not worth it right now. Its more expensive than the rog ally but it performs worse. Even the steam deck oled performs better in games than the msi claw and the steam deck is cheaper. Hopefully msi claw starts making new driver updates to improve the performance. But for right now, its better to buy the rog ally than the msi claw
I might have missed it, but we're not allowed to disable cores? Who would have thought we'd need that many threads on a gaming-focused product?
It really seems like this is on MSI, not Intel. They probably wanted to get in on the handheld craze ASAP and this was the cheapest and most available chipset they could get. TSMC can't just make more Z1 Extremes on a dime.
Great video 👍
Performance will probably improve with future updates and things like that, but right out of the box using double the wattage and STILL not outperforming the deck on some games just makes it kind of embarrassing. It’s a shame. The ally and the deck are still king.
I’ll take the legion go.
think I saw a 1440 vs 1080p benchmark in there by mistake
Time?
@@andrescarrasco1248 about 3:50
IDK man, I see the hope for it. The MSI claw runs things like Lies of P and Bannishers Ghosts of New Eden for me at 40-60 FPS low detials 1080P 40Ws (which is better then the Ally). However, on the other hand, it freezes everrytime I try to open something like Horizen Zero Dawn, or FF7 when I had an older driver installed. It's soo all over the place. It just needs some time, the Ally had issues too, maybe not this bad, but it had issues.
Just think of playing games at
AMD just smashing it.
MSi should have pulled out the claw with AMD 😢😢
I thought they would be more comparable than that, i guess even with arc, amd has the better igpu. I was considering the X1 but now i think ill look for an amd + oculink solution
It doesn’t have to be the best, just competent enough as a handheld device and this is it.
For the price though? Even if it was a way better device I would stick with the Deck. Unless that thing can run VR games I would not pay that much for a handheld.
Seems like itel has a lot of driver optimization to sort out. Either way I stick with my OLED switch with double the battery life.
Yay daddy ETA 😂 I asked for this ❤
I had an Ally and I really liked it, but the battery life and lack of power at lower TDP ultimately turned me off of it. I bought an Odin 2 and local steam my games to it. They look better, my battery life is excellent, and generally lag is no problem at all. I have a WiFi 6 mesh system
Geez....22-threads....my 12700K is showing it's age!
EDIT: I'm not a coder but I'm assuming that outside of power balance issues between the IGPU and CPU on the Claw. The second issues seems to be experiences. AMD has a long history with graphics performance and optimization. Not to mention, it's not a far throw from the last 2 console generations.
Based on my experiences with AMD drivers, it seems that many GPUs (like my Legion-Go currently running ROG Ally's drivers), I think their drivers probably aren't alien when converting to PC. I wouldn't be surprised of driver optimization considering their whole ecosystem.
Asus Rog Ally is still the King of handheld gaming pcs. 👑
No it's my OneXfly the best 😃
Steam Deck OLED? same performance (except when plugged on the wall), more battery life, better controls
@HoundNL If you don't need the Windows features like Game Pass the OLED Deck is pretty great.
steam deck: ahem
I'm quite partial to the aokzoe a1 pro. That 8 inch screen makes a big difference.
Please include the LENOVO Legion GO.
Asus is smashing it what is wrong with the MSI 😮
It's because of Intel.
AMD did well with those processors, also although flawed asus got the format right for the Ally, who knows if they do the smart thing and support it while they improve their software layer the but the silver line here are the temps, just 10 degrees cooler will go a very long way for this format
trouble with tests like these - people pay money to have portable gaming on at least high settings. My Asus Ally Rog has so far been able to play anything in High or ultra. I play God of War in a lower resolution than full HD but all effects and everything else maxed out for a good 40fps minimum. I'd never play a game in LOW graphics. Don't see the point in playing triple AAA games so low quality.
Rog Ally remains the king of gaming handhelds. 👍
I could care less about the specs because I don't plan to play any graphics intensive games. I'm more concerned about affordability and that will seal the deal for me.
Yep Asus ROG is the king of PC hardware
Yeah... I'm not sure how much longer people are going to swallow the "Intel is newer in this space" excuse. Not that it's bad... it's quite ok for what it is, but at some point people start getting tired of hearing that Intel is working on it's drivers, it's going to get better, and whatnot.
I mean, people can give it a break since it is competing on this sector that has been a duopoly for too long (I mean, graphics for gaming in general, not just portable gaming), but not when it's charging similar prices of products that are markedly better like that.
The question I want to find the answer to is "does the MSI destroy micro SD cards?" I'm considering getting it or the legion go (same apu as the ally without the SD card issue!)
I just picked up a legion go yesterday. So far first impressions it's not bad. It's definitely big and chunky but performance wise I've been impressed so far.
I think msi needs some optimizations . 20 watt to 30 watt barely makes a difference. I think it is unfair to say MSI claw is bad at this point. It might become a lot better in a few months...
Did you do the new Ultra Core driver update from Intel?
It's not a driver thing, it's a hardware flaw, Intel hot and power hungry, it's that simple AMD gives you more performance with less energy
Whew!😅 guess I don’t need a MSI Claw than, I’m sticking with my ROG Ally 👍
Even if you take out the FPS being better than the Claw, the temps of the Intel chip seems to run way hotter. Which probably is what's causing the stuttering in game. Why MSI decided to go Intel still is baffling.
Have the updates made thr MSI Claw any better? MY ROG allys joysticks broke replaced them with hall effect ones, my sd card reader never worked they wanted to charge 150 to fix it didnt feel it was worth paying that, it kept overheating put a new shell on the back kept temps under 81c. But after a windows update its stuck in a boot loop and everything i try to do to fix it it shuts itself off before i can do anything im out of warrenty im not trying to pay hundreds of dollars to get it fixe. I was thinking of just getting a new handheld i dont like the Legon Go's screen i dont like alot about the steam deck and from what im seeing online im liking the MSI claw. Ive always liked intel processors over AMD im only worried about that IGPU, i like how the MSI Claw has a bigger battery, more air flow, hall effect joysticks, a better USB port better wifi better bluetooth im only worried about that IGPU. So im just wondering if the updates have made it better
I like how the whole internet has just unanimously decided that the MSI Claw is trash lol. And that’s because it literally is. AMD chips have:
- FSR (HUGE)
- Better power efficiency
- Better performance
- Better driver support and stability
Imagine if the MSI Claw had a Z1 Extreme chip, and better bumpers. With a 53 watt/hr battery, that would actually be worth talking about. But I guess someone was contractually obligated to make an Intel handheld instead haha
Bestbuy currently has the Z1X ally for 200 less than the 155h MSI Claw too. lmao
Um you do know the claw uses the same screen as the rog ally right? The claw just uses the new model.
i want the ally hardware and software, but with an 8" screen
This! Or even a 7.4 inch screen like the steam deck oled would suffice.
This video looks like the Simpsons - Stop, stop, he's already dead.
MSI signed the death note for the Claw by partnering with Intel. Intel GPUs just can't compete with AMD as of now and they have a ways to go before they can optimize it properly. They jumped a little too soon in the handheld scene and dragged MSI along with it. I hope MSI realizes this and goes with AMD for the Claw 2. No amounts of optimization can fix Claw's terrible performance.
Yes and I hope Nvidia enter in the game
When it comes to PC Intel is the best. We will see...
@@IIXxSLAYERxXII For CPUs yes but not for any integrated solutions. I am sure they will catch up soon but they need to let its Arc GPUs cook further before dolling them out just like that.
@@mufaa another Problem is that some games are AMD optimized.
AFMF add more
AMD is AMD, the rest is parking!
BS
Has to be an API right?
No qay the real perforamce is this bad for the claw, on papet it should rip.
Makes no sense
the Claw can’t even get passed Steam Deck, what more for the ROG?
Oh course Claw is better that steam deck even with bad Intel drivers. In practice it's more like 6800u for almost games and in theory the most powerful handheld. Look read dead redemption 2 Claw is better that Ally
You’d think since MSI copied the ROG Ally design that they would’ve actually tested their device against the Ally before releasing it to the masses…
why did MSI think that intel is a good idea in portable device, using intel in laptops or anything on battery is a big mistake, the efficiency is so bad on intel, amd definitely has and will have strong grip in console market for quite some time.
I am sure this bloodbath surprised no one. 😐
10 years ago intel mock amd for their low wattage apus... now the apus are the futere and intel its just late to the party.
Who at MSI thought this was a good idea 😭😭
MSI claw looks like black color of ASUS ally.
SD Oled still king?
I'm glad I did not buy the claw yet, I have the steam deck, rog Ally, and Legion Go.
Intel Arc is garbage. it's no good for gaming, maybe for interior decoration simulation. MSI could have integrated a 3060 mobile into the claw. Even with a price of 1k the machine would have been a beast. AMD crushed it with the Z1 extreme.
He said if it can match the ROG ally Uhhhhh ETA the MSI Claw can't even take on the lowest spec of the handhelds and that is the Steam deck I mean you compared the highest spec to handheld to the one with the lesser specs and it still got destroyed then you compared it to the Rog/Legion (because both have the same chip) and the claw definitely can't stand up on against that one either and for $800.00 I can't see anybody spending money on something like that that has to run alot of games in 720p I mean what is this XBOX 360 c'mon now 720p really?!........................... People y'all are better off with either the steam deck if you're on a budget or want decent power and play many games with no issues then go Asus Rog or Lenovo Legion if you have to funds for those plain and simple
MSI need to have 2x the amount of frames to be considered good deal.
Lenovo legion go is the sensei , master of all
Why did MSI/Intel think this was a good idea? This looks like it can't even match the Ryzen 6800H's performance and that's been out for 2 years.
msi must make cheaper than ally or will fail also asus working on ally 2
I love my Ally and it looks like there still isn't any reason to switch. MSI coming out the gate at a higher price point with a lower value device is bold and will probably kill the device before it could get legs under it. I'll probably hold my money until either the steam deck 2 or the Ally 2.
Will Avenue
The New MSI Paw everyone
as low as 20w??? OMG LOLOL how did anyone think this was going to be competitive?
Your Title: Best or Beat?