Here's an eighth, mate - if you join a British-style brass band, and play tenor trombone, ALL your music is written in treble clef (unless it was a pig-awkward piece written and arranged by some pig-awkward bloke, who hated musicians, about 90 years ago). The only time you need bass clef in our bands is if you play bass trombone - but, in a British brass band, ALL bass trombone music is in bass clef. And here's a weird bit of additional info; in a Brit brass band, all music (apart from bass trombone stuff) is in treble clef - even for Eb and Bb basses (tubas) - and it's all written for transposing instruments, so Bb on 1st position is written as C on the music. But, because all the scores - apart from bass trombone - are written the same way, in one of our bands you can switch from cornet to flugel to tenor horn to baritone horn to Eb bass to Bb bass - and you read the music in exactly the same way. So, if you see an E on the bottom line, regardless of which valved instrument you're playing, that's valves 1 & 2. What's that in concert pitch? Dunno, mate - and who cares? If you play it with valves 1 & 2, it works! As for learning THREE clefs - sheeesh!! Life's too short! Keep yer pecker up :))
Professional trombonists actually need to be able to play in all four (treble, alto, tenor and bass) clefs, and it can be quite useful to be able to play in concert pitch treble as well!
1:47 just to clarify, you have the exact same short comings on a valved brass instrument, but you are fixed to a certain length of tubing when you push a valve down. You can adjust the pitch to be more in tune by adjusting embrochure (your lips), or, if available to your instrument, triggers that adjust tuning slides on the valves. Also, just because the note you are playing is in tune acording to a tuner, doesn't mean that it's in tune given the context of the chord you are playing, or the muscians you are playing with.
Thank you for the video! Alternate positions on the trombone may also have slightly different tonal qualities. For example, the F3 in 1st position is brighter and heavier than the F3 in sixth position which has a more mellow and more nasal quality. Also if sliding from one note to another using the same embouchure position, you can "fake" a lip slur by a light tonguing.
At 71 y.o, I am now starting to learn trombone (I purchased a second-hand peashooter for a good price). Having played French horn at amateur level for almost thirty years, I at least have an understanding about all of the alternate positions (horn has even more than three on some notes, let alone also being able to play four consecutive whole notes without changing the valves, only the embourchure). So here goes.
I used to play in orchestra. I had first part and our rep was Tchaikovsky Symphony 4 Finale which was in bass clef. Then Brahm Academic Festival Overture in Tenor clef. Then Wagner Prelude to Lohengrin in Alto clef. Definitely interesting. Never played a treble clef part.
Another tip to help with the slightly different slide position is to listen to the note played and adjust to corners of your mouth to bring it in tune. Bring the corners of your mouth down, frown, if the note is sharp, and bring the corners of your mouth up, smile, if the note is flat. It's quicker and easier to adjust your embouchure than a slide position.
this is not something you want to do. you would sound a lot better by moving your mouth as little as possible and instead get the muscle memory down of where the slide is in tune. you will sound better by adjusting the slide based on pitch than by changing your embouchure
This sounds more like something who comes from a valved brass instrument first would do. As the previous person says, ~99% of the time, you want to adjust slide position instead (exception is 1st position sitting flat, as you can't sharpen the note)
I'm in the challenge to learn the trombone, now that I'm 51 year's old (I'm already musician with knowledge of guitar and trumpet). But I've just one problem to fight again : I'm definitively not able to read the bass clef, but I'm confortable with the treble clef. So, with the help of Musescore, I've created my own chart with all the notes figured out in treble clef... And that's OK : I've begon my journey on the trombone learning, reading all scores present in my house that are in treble clef...
Playing tenor trombone in bass clef is my next challenge. How much difference an F key makes is the current quandary? Nice presentation ta from North Yorkshire!
Wow. That was interesting. I play the trumpet and can just play the scale on the trombone. I have always loved brass instruments and now I have more respect for the trombone.
I've played guitar and like bass and drums and stuff for a long time. I'm pretty... I don't want to call myself good or anything but I'm pretty good. I found a bone at a thrift store and I thought of all the cool things I could do with it if I could learn to play it. So I bought it. It feels so strange starting from square one. Like, really beginner stuff. It's incredibly challenging but fun. Any words of wisdom are welcome. Advice or warnings. The oil stuff that came with it, I suppose that goes between the slidey bits? Anything else I need to know?
Yes just a drop of slide oil on the top and on the bottom inner slide when just beginning,. Move the slide up and down a few times to get a good coating. Ive play trombone 42 years ago, and am just starting again. Just search you tube about buzzing in mouthpiece and air control. After about a year, you should learn how to carefully use a trombone cleaning rod, and lubricating the proper way with slide cream, and water spritz bottle. Careful not to poke the rod thru the end of the out slide and make a hole LOL. Lots of good videos on you tube how to do that. Also clean your mouthpiece often because of the germs and it could get smelly
To me, alto clef is a bit easier than tenor. Maybe because I used to read strings (viola is always there 😬). Tenor clef gives me headache since the note position is similar to treble clef, and visually the clef position doesn't look balanced on the staff - like it can fall down anytime 🥴
I learnt something!!! Except I don’t understand anything I just learnt
Me with my band director
Here's an eighth, mate - if you join a British-style brass band, and play tenor trombone, ALL your music is written in treble clef (unless it was a pig-awkward piece written and arranged by some pig-awkward bloke, who hated musicians, about 90 years ago).
The only time you need bass clef in our bands is if you play bass trombone - but, in a British brass band, ALL bass trombone music is in bass clef.
And here's a weird bit of additional info; in a Brit brass band, all music (apart from bass trombone stuff) is in treble clef - even for Eb and Bb basses (tubas) - and it's all written for transposing instruments, so Bb on 1st position is written as C on the music.
But, because all the scores - apart from bass trombone - are written the same way, in one of our bands you can switch from cornet to flugel to tenor horn to baritone horn to Eb bass to Bb bass - and you read the music in exactly the same way. So, if you see an E on the bottom line, regardless of which valved instrument you're playing, that's valves 1 & 2. What's that in concert pitch? Dunno, mate - and who cares? If you play it with valves 1 & 2, it works!
As for learning THREE clefs - sheeesh!! Life's too short!
Keep yer pecker up :))
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@@KyleRaftery - cheers, mate!
these videos are gold
fantastic how bring humor in your lessons great job
Professional trombonists actually need to be able to play in all four (treble, alto, tenor and bass) clefs, and it can be quite useful to be able to play in concert pitch treble as well!
Wutif the b- turns out to beeeee c+!😂🤣😂🤣
Forget the glissendo, how bout the CRESCENDO!!!😵💫😵💫😵💫🙃🙃
You really need to just spin some old Tommy Dorsey 78's and just play along😅😅😅 You know, the music goes round and comes out here!!!
1:47 just to clarify, you have the exact same short comings on a valved brass instrument, but you are fixed to a certain length of tubing when you push a valve down. You can adjust the pitch to be more in tune by adjusting embrochure (your lips), or, if available to your instrument, triggers that adjust tuning slides on the valves.
Also, just because the note you are playing is in tune acording to a tuner, doesn't mean that it's in tune given the context of the chord you are playing, or the muscians you are playing with.
Thank you for the video! Alternate positions on the trombone may also have slightly different tonal qualities. For example, the F3 in 1st position is brighter and heavier than the F3 in sixth position which has a more mellow and more nasal quality. Also if sliding from one note to another using the same embouchure position, you can "fake" a lip slur by a light tonguing.
I’ve been playing just over a year now and I didn’t know you could play the same note in 3 positions! I knew of 2, but 3? Madness!
At 71 y.o, I am now starting to learn trombone (I purchased a second-hand peashooter for a good price). Having played French horn at amateur level for almost thirty years, I at least have an understanding about all of the alternate positions (horn has even more than three on some notes, let alone also being able to play four consecutive whole notes without changing the valves, only the embourchure). So here goes.
I used to play in orchestra. I had first part and our rep was Tchaikovsky Symphony 4 Finale which was in bass clef. Then Brahm Academic Festival Overture in Tenor clef. Then Wagner Prelude to Lohengrin in Alto clef. Definitely interesting. Never played a treble clef part.
Another tip to help with the slightly different slide position is to listen to the note played and adjust to corners of your mouth to bring it in tune. Bring the corners of your mouth down, frown, if the note is sharp, and bring the corners of your mouth up, smile, if the note is flat. It's quicker and easier to adjust your embouchure than a slide position.
this is not something you want to do. you would sound a lot better by moving your mouth as little as possible and instead get the muscle memory down of where the slide is in tune. you will sound better by adjusting the slide based on pitch than by changing your embouchure
This sounds more like something who comes from a valved brass instrument first would do. As the previous person says, ~99% of the time, you want to adjust slide position instead (exception is 1st position sitting flat, as you can't sharpen the note)
I started in 4th grade and im in 7th and its by far the best instrument. ;)
I'm in the challenge to learn the trombone, now that I'm 51 year's old (I'm already musician with knowledge of guitar and trumpet). But I've just one problem to fight again : I'm definitively not able to read the bass clef, but I'm confortable with the treble clef. So, with the help of Musescore, I've created my own chart with all the notes figured out in treble clef... And that's OK : I've begon my journey on the trombone learning, reading all scores present in my house that are in treble clef...
Ah, I sympathise. As a trumpet player the notes are just all wrong. I still have trouble reading bass clef somedays.
stay with it, I started learning trombone at 63 yrs, still enjoying it six years later
In my band class we play that Timmy trumpet Trombone for football games
Playing tenor trombone in bass clef is my next challenge. How much difference an F key makes is the current quandary?
Nice presentation ta from North Yorkshire!
Wow. That was interesting. I play the trumpet and can just play the scale on the trombone.
I have always loved brass instruments and now I have more respect for the trombone.
I've played guitar and like bass and drums and stuff for a long time. I'm pretty... I don't want to call myself good or anything but I'm pretty good. I found a bone at a thrift store and I thought of all the cool things I could do with it if I could learn to play it. So I bought it. It feels so strange starting from square one. Like, really beginner stuff. It's incredibly challenging but fun. Any words of wisdom are welcome. Advice or warnings. The oil stuff that came with it, I suppose that goes between the slidey bits? Anything else I need to know?
Yes just a drop of slide oil on the top and on the bottom inner slide when just beginning,. Move the slide up and down a few times to get a good coating. Ive play trombone 42 years ago, and am just starting again. Just search you tube about buzzing in mouthpiece and air control. After about a year, you should learn how to carefully use a trombone cleaning rod, and lubricating the proper way with slide cream, and water spritz bottle. Careful not to poke the rod thru the end of the out slide and make a hole LOL. Lots of good videos on you tube how to do that. Also clean your mouthpiece often because of the germs and it could get smelly
Hello and thanks for the videos,but you do not prononce the f from clé,
Oh no!! A limey!😮😂🤣😂🤣
I've been playing for only a year
F is first position high Bb is first
high Bb is also played in 5th position
Good boys do fine always. All cows eat grass.
Don't forget alto cleff.
I like to ignore alto clef every single day :)
I mean you're not wrong.
To me, alto clef is a bit easier than tenor. Maybe because I used to read strings (viola is always there 😬). Tenor clef gives me headache since the note position is similar to treble clef, and visually the clef position doesn't look balanced on the staff - like it can fall down anytime 🥴
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